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Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ndcide(m): 3:39pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
dazzlingd: Thanks anyway. I know you are not as intelligent as myself. However, what I did was to address the spirit of the question and it's implications. The wise and those who are sensitive will understand. Not every cryptic post on nairaland can be understood by all. Those who can't take it, fight it. May I reiterate, Those who want to be Christians indeed should be mindful anti giving campaigns. The objective is a satanic wealth exchange. Even in the kingdom of darkness, giving is taking very seriously. Christians, should not be ignorant of the devices of the devil. Manipulation CAN NEVER BE STRAIGHTFORWARD. IF IT'S HARD FOR YOU TO SWALLOW, READ THE CONVERSATION OF THE SERPENT AND EVE in Genesis 3:1-7 and think deeply about it. I'm not going to open a thread for this. Again, A word is enough for the wise. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DeKen: 3:40pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
CecyAdrian:After it's now given to them it now becomes theirs. Not so? And they did have farmlands. What do they do with the farmlands? Didn't they also earn from their farms and other possessions? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ChikaSunday(m): 3:42pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
petra1: Hey, pray, may God give you enlightened spirit and wisdom to interpret His WILL(which ar all in His word, Bible). For now you are confused. Clearly God is saying the same thing in all those bible passages. The tithes were originally of agricutural products as the main stay of economy and survival. God demans(ded) it and gave it to the levites(present day church workers) who have no economy & survival sources. God also told these same Levites(modern Church workers) to bring one tenth of each of their titthes and give to the priest. Jesus was a high priest/groom so could not pay, including his disciples(groom's friends) but He obeyd the human political law(paying tax). modern christianity leaders(bishops, primates, GOs came on board and used human wisdom to spoil/break the programe of God(God's order) by introducing SALARIES for themselves and the church workers. Now that they ALL take salaries the SUPERIOR leader of that PARTICULAR church takes ALL bonuses(including seed of faith). |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DeKen: 3:44pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
seguno2:(Note that Paul uses an Old Covenant illustration for financial support of the ministry. I mention this because some people believe that everything Moses gave as part of the Law is no longer even relevant to a New Covenant Christian. ) (Note also that this outreach was part of Paul's ministry - and Paul was not a Pastor of a church.) 1 Cor 9:9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about the oxen that God is concerned? 1 Cor 9:10 Surely he says this for us, doesn't he? Yes, this was written for us, because when the plowman plows and the thresher threshes, they ought to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 1 Cor 9:11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? (Note that Paul also believed in the principal of financial sowing and reaping.) 1 Cor 9:12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn't we have it all the more? But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ. (Note also that Paul states that he (the ministry) has the right to expect to be financially supported by those ministered to.) (Next Paul uses the Old Covenant Levitical priesthood as an illustration for financial support of the ministry. This is the Levitical priesthood, which received the tithe. I mention this because in nearly all of the anti-tithe teachings they state that the Levitical system has no relevance to New Covenant Christians. Now remember, Paul is talking about financial support here ...) 1 Cor 9:13 Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 1 Cor 9:14 IN THE SAME WAY, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. (Question: How was food provided to those who worked in the temple? Answer: The tithe and the offerings.) |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 3:44pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
seguno2: DeKen:Response follows below CecyAdrian:The Levites have no other work apart from being priests serving in the temple They dont live ostentatious, extravagant and extortionate lifestyle nor live in palatial settings The Israelites were commanded to provide 48 Levitical cities spread right across Israel to the Levites These were used not only for the Levites to live in but to be used as pasture lands for the cattle, herds etcetera they obtain via tithe etcetera and be a place to take refuge in |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Opengates(m): 3:50pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
ilynem: You are right |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 3:51pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
DeKen:Paul was not advocating the law of sin and death You support the temple and the Levites with obligatory laws (i.e. law of sin and death) You support the Gospel and its workers with left-to-personal choice laws (i.e. law of the spirit) |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DeKen: 3:52pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
seguno2:Romans 3:31King James Version (KJV) 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DeKen: 3:53pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff:Romans 3:31King James Version (KJV) 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by CecyAdrian(f): 3:57pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
ndcide: This is more of a pro-giving campaign thread. No one says you should not give, infact giving wholeheartedly to someone in need is pleasant aroma/sight and sweet music to God. Now, what this thread is seeking to find is the justification in giving our tithes to Pastors when we have poor people and widows in the society. ...and I would advice you that you should desist from playing mind game by trying to scare people into doing what you believe in by quoting off scriptures, it no longer works. Give us reasons with appropriate scriptures relating to it on why some things should be so. We are talking about tithe and you are talking about giving, even quoting scriptures. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Fantastic2m(m): 3:59pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
ilynem: ALL CHARITABLE ACTS |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ilynem(m): 4:00pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
brightalo17:Do you know me? How do you know I fornicate and steal? Wow! |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 4:01pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
DeKen:Paul always says, there is nothing shameful in asking for financial support, inasmuch as that the giving is done cheerfully and not done under compulsion Yes brother, the Wright brothers made void the law of gravity through faith. God allows: Yea, with the recognition and establishing of the law of aerodynamic, we now fly in the air with planes not dropping down |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DeKen: 4:02pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
CecyAdrian:Hebrews 7:5-10New International Version (NIV) 5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, from their fellow Israelites—even though they also are descended from Abraham. 6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brightalo17: 4:06pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
ilynem:Read that again and see if there is a question sign at the end which signified it to be a question not an allegation or fact about you. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 4:06pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Ovamboland: I will if the vision is from God |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DeKen: 4:09pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff:Nice comic relief. Paul said he is entitled to it as commanded but he "himself" will not use the right to it, hence he chooses to let it come willingly. Just like he had chosen not to marry so that he can concentrate on the work of God and even encourages those who can to follow suit. So if you should minister, would you say you must not marry because Paul encouraged concentration? Even where the provision is there, you can choose not to pay the tithe. After all God created man with freedom of choice. You are advised to choose life, but it's still all up to you to choose life or death. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by seguno2: 4:13pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
DeKen: From which they were supposed to make sacrifices on behalf of all Israelites but did not do properly as portrayed in Malachi 1. Their possessions that they wrongly kept to themselves were also supposed to be in the storehouse of the synagogue for feeding the poor and themselves hence the rebuke directed at levites/ priests in Malachi 3: 8-10. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 4:18pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
DeKen:Aaargh, Hebrews 7 is not positing tithes, Hebrews 7 is solely about the priesthood of Jesus Christ It is talking about Jesus and putting forward as fact that Jesus is of a superior priesthood to that of the Levites For when the priesthood is changed, the Law must be changed as well - Hebrews 7:12 Have you not noticed or read the transition in Hebrews 7:12? The law of the Spirit (e.g. cheerful giving etcetera) has replaced the law of sin and death (e.g. tithe giving etcetera) 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MisterKings(m): 4:22pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
CecyAdrian: Cos most pastors are thieves in suit and tie, case closed |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 4:23pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
ChikaSunday: THERE WERE 3 different tithes in isreal . Read this article by Jewish rabbis : Biblical scholars have seen the differences in these sources concerning the recipients of the tithe as due to the social background of two separate sources, each having its own applications. Throughout the Rabbinic literature, however, the sources are harmonized and the following system emerges. Find the link below :http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/tithing/ |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by hopara1(m): 4:23pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
CecyAdrian:pls let not bring politrick in this kind of issue dat person gave u a literally answer but u have program ur mind to ridicule. Am yet to witness a church where all they preach are tithes from day to day,week to week,and month to months.smh! |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ilynem(m): 4:23pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Icecream4U:Good. No one will judge u for that. You won't even go to hell for not paying tithe. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by samuelezekiel(m): 4:25pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Junia: Don't get it twisted... Tithe is been paid on profit you have from the one you invested not, Israelites main occupation was agriculture then. Being a royal priesthood doesn't main you wouldn't pay tithe, even priest are expected to pay tithes. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ilynem(m): 4:25pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
sylvadan:Tithing wasn't a law given by Moses. It was a thing even before Moses birth. Abraham paid tithe. Moses only modified it with the law. That modification was what was abolished with Jesus death. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ilynem(m): 4:26pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
omolorlarh:So how should it be paid? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 4:26pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
DeKen: BEAUTIFUL |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ezenaija(m): 4:27pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Paul never claimed that he is entitled to any commanded tithe. He only used that to illustrate support of spiritual leaders by followers. DeKen: |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ilynem(m): 4:27pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
seunfly:That rule you quote was the modified one given by Moses which was fulfilled after the death of Christ. Go read how Abraham paid tithe. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ilynem(m): 4:27pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
toposa:Tithing was a thing before Moses. Moses only modified it. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DeKen: 4:30pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
ezenaija:1 Cor 9:9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about the oxen that God is concerned? 1 Cor 9:10 Surely he says this for us, doesn't he? Yes, this was written for us, because when the plowman plows and the thresher threshes, they ought to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 1 Cor 9:11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 1 Cor 9:12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn't we have it all the more? But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ilynem(m): 4:31pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
1stCitizen:Africans pay the most tithe. Dunno where u got that from. But that's not the point. Thank God you have seen the "light" and you are no more paying. Tell me, what has that 10 percent done for u? What I mean is that it is not compulsory you pay. No one is forcing you. |
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