pazienza:


No. The issue was the proof of Edo not being a SS state.

Imo could have voted whoever they want. GEJ wasn't Igbo, even though he was loved by Ndiigbo, neither was he from SE.

GEJ is from SS, was a frontrunner to the race, and got over 70% of the votes in all other SS states baring Edo, the pseudo SS state, the freak of nature.

Amaechi was a more powerful member of APC than the rubber stamp Oyegun, so that your APC chairman excuse is trash!

The only explanation to that is that Edo sticks out like a sore thumb in SS.

It was also to prove that Imo is not a Middle East state but a Northern State. While other Middle East states gave less than 5℅ Imo gave a whopping 20℅ to GEJ's enemy.

Edo did not call GEJ their adopted son because GEJ was licking the arses of Arewa. Moreover the other SS states were rigged as their results were deliberately delayed to give room for inflation of GEJ' figures and the deflation of Buhari's figures. If not how come only in the five SS states that almost 100℅ voter turn out was recorded based on voters register figures?
Amaechi was a more powerful APC member than Oyegun yet Amaechi could not deliver even 10℅ Rivers votes for APC while Oyegun delivered 40℅. Then what constituted Amaechi's strength? You are obviously insane?

Only in your stupidity will percentage of votes be a defining factor of who belonged to which region. Abiola was from the South and every Southern state voted for him by over 70℅ but he got less than 10℅ from Igbos who are pseudo Southerners and a freak of nature. Igbos stick out like a sore thumb in the South. Igbos are Northerners and not really Southerners. They are friends of Arewa.

pazienza:


Anambra people voted Ngige and not ACN because of his track record. when Ngige became to pro Arewa-oduanistan thereafter, he became unelectable.

A SE presidential candidate wasnt a frontrunner in
2015 election.
A SS presidential candidate was the frontrunner in 2015 election, yet a supposedly SS Edo gave 40% of its vote to Buhari.
There is no correlation between this and Imo state, Imo is not a SS state.

When he was elected senator was Ngige not already pro-Ooduanistan by virtue of being in ACN? You are confused.
In the 2003 and 2007 elections that had Middle Easterners like Ojukwu and Orji Uzor Kalu as frontrunners respectively did Igbos not give 75℅ and 90℅ to a Yoruba and Fulani man respectively?
SS is not a tribe and regions are not recognized by the constitution. So Edos owed GEJ no tribal loyalty or loyalty of non-existent regions. But Igbos are a tribe recognized by everyone yet they voted against their own fellow Igbos to the benefit of Yorubas and Fulanis. That is pure madness.

pazienza:


You are the one clutching at straws here. Looking for diversions to run away from main issues.

Did Yorubas contest for elections in the East in the 60's?
That's the question you are trying to run away from with unnecessary unrelated diversion. Lol!

And yes! Igbos are present in the West but mainly in Lagos and not in Oyo. That Oyo 10% figure is certainly not Igbo votes.

You made two conflicting claims and you are obviously looking for a way to disown one of them. Lagos was less populated than Oyo as at 1979 so it is only logical that there were more Igbos in Oyo than Lagos back then. Shagari's percentages in Yoruba States followed the patterns of Igbo distribution in those states. The 10℅ he got in Oyo were from Igbos there.

pazienza:


Lol! See distortions and pathetic misrepresentation of facts.

Zik can't be having problem with minorities when the likes of Mbu, Imoke were the henchmen in NCNC Eastern region hierarchy. As usual, the above post is a product of your schizophrenic hallucinations. lol!

You had previously accused Zik of causing the Igbo- Yoruba rift because of the NYM elections, now I reminded that Akinsanya, Ziks candidate in that election was Yoruba, you had gone back again to propound a psychotic theory of Zik having issues with minorities.

And what would a person like you from a dead empire of blood and Gore that sent thousands of its people scampering Eastwards for safety and peace as refugees and wanderers, know about Osu caste system practiced in some parts of Igboland in Times of old?

Stupidity and illogicality. Was the Lagos where Zik was making trouble with Southern minorities part of the Eastern Region in which you claim had minorities men in the NCNC hierarchy?
Was Zik in the Eastern Region then? How could he have been said to have shown support to Eastern Region's minority members when he was not even there in the first instance? Are you normal at all? And when the same Zik later went back to the East did he not displace a minority man? And is that not why Efiks hate Igbos till today?
You are a miserable ignoramus.

All precolonial empires and kingdoms in Africa had blood rituals as integral parts of their cultures. But in post colonial times all other tribes have refrained from blood rituals except Igbos who have not only sustained it but even upped the game. Igbos remain the only tribe in a post-colonial Nigeria known for blood money rituals, consumption of human flesh with the likes of Clifford Orji and Reverend King, blood oath taking by politicians for loyalty pledge to godfathers like Ngige vs Andy Ubah, the killing of Cynthia Osokogu for money rituals by her supposed Igbo brothers, etc.

pazienza:


No. You failed to prove any of your points on Boro. You waited anxiously to see if any Ijaw would come and support you with Your Igbophobic rants, so that you can hide behind that and claim that a wrong done to Ijaw was a wrong done to far flung Edo and Yorubas.
Ofcourse, no Ijaw would bite your trap, so you resorted to mentioning Barcanista, who of course ignored you again, leaving you pathetically clutching at straws, and not for the first time.

Your mention of Ijaw means nothing to me, as I had since shown you quotes by an Ijaw man, named Dokubo on Igbo Eastern Ijaw issues.
You are rather the dejected one here. Your attempt to use Ijaws as your bullet proof to my assault failed, and you are all but exposed now.

Lol!

"It is better for our Igbo brothers to learn humility
and stop this nonsense....many members of my
family were killed for their support for Biafra.My
grand uncle King Fredrick Princewill,Amachree
X111,Amanyanabo of Kalabari abdicated the
Kalabari throne because of his support for Biafra".


"My grandmother Princess Okukuba
W.D.Goodhead...immediate senior sister to His
Majesty The King...was almost executed by firing
squad by the invading Nigerian Military led by her
Nephew Capt. Erasmus J.T.Princewill son of her
elder brother King J.T.Princewill,Amachree
X11....on her support for Biafra.
My grand Aunty who was nickname Madam
Biafra....grand mother of a former Foreign
Minister of Nigeria was taking through very
painful torture before execution.
My maternal uncle one of the first lawyers in the
Eastern Region never return home till his death
because of his support for Biafra.
My father was a Biafran officer in the medical
Corp.
My statement is recorded on tape....I never said
we were taught....I said we were told many stories
by our elders which we now discovered to be false".

~ Asari Dokubo

Now go and do what your former Edo governor advised that Edo Market woman to go and do.

Of course who would expect you to understand a simple reference? I referenced Barcanista's thread to prove to you that Igbos never loved Southern minorities. They always believed Nigeria was supposed to be a WAZOBIA thing.
Barcanista is not expected to come here because this is not his fight. Rather I only directed you there to see for yourself that Ijaws' anti-Igbo stand is real and not an Edo propaganda. Why did you not meet Barcanista on that thread? Were you afraid?
I insist that you people's crackdown on Boro discouraged others who equally had similar plans. Were you expecting that seeing what Ojukwu and Ironsi did to Boro other tribes should have individually experimented with such declaration to see if Ojukwu and Ironsi would treat them differently? Only Igbos are foolish enough to try such hence their expectation that everyone else should have done so.
This Boro angle is an angle I personally like because it annoys you and sends you into a fit of madness whenever mentioned. The reason is not far-fetched. It is the angle which exposes Igbo hypocrisy most openly. It shames them to their marrows. After stopping others, you too were stopped by Gowon. It is that simple. When you commit evil against an innocent person it is a different person God sends to punish you. That is life.

All those Asari Dokubo's utterances are rubbish because Dokubo whom we know is a very strong adherent of the Islamic faith and can therefore not be genuinely committed to the struggle for a Biafra Republic where some so-called Christians will persecute adherents of other faiths.

pazienza:


You don't claim people's land using dubious court judgements tilted in your favour and expect peace to reign, this is why peace had eluded Warri for sometimes now.

Your Oba is weak and powerless, you couldn't take Gelegele then, and you can't take it now. The temporary advantage guns you got from the Portuguese gave to you over indigenous African neighbors didn't last that long. Don't over estimate your prowess.

No Igbo person invaded Edo or tried to annex it, Edo as a part of Nigeria, with Akenzua and co giving Gowon advice from Lagos, invaded Biafra, and Biafra had to react. It's called actions and reactions.

Your Edo harassed all neighboring groups from
Anioma to Ondo using Portuguese acquired weapons, looking for people to subjugate. Shameless people.

Dubious court judgements you call it? The judgement was not given by an Edo Judge.
If not for your stupidity how does Warri come into Gelegele issue? Bini people won the case all through the High Court, Appeal Court and Supreme Court. Only in your Edophobic imagination was the verdict a dubious one. If the verdict had favoured Ijaws you would have been hailing the courts. Ijaws have encroached on lands even right in Oredo. The Gelegele land is owned by Binis and never taken. Igbos are the land grabbers. It is on record that Igbos under Zik's leadership fought to declare Lagos as 'no man's land' but no other tribe has ever been accused of attempting to declare any part of Igbo land as a 'no man's land'.
All other non-Yoruba tribes including Hausas, Fulanis, Urhobos, Ijaws, Edos, Isokos, Ibibios, Efiks, Tivs, Idomas, Itshekiris, etc all live in Lagos peacefully with their Yoruba hosts, but only Igbos are ever mentioned by Yorubas in connection with the quest to classify Lagos as a no man's land. Why? Articles upon articles are written in the papers by Yorubas and they mention only Igbos. Why?
The Oba was already very powerful before the advent of the Portuguese. If we got guns from Portuguese then how come When Britain came the guns were not used to fight back at least for some few hours? Why did the Ijaws in Gelegele not also get such guns since the Portuguese passed through Gelegele before getting to Benin?
You will die in envy of Edo's glorious Empire. Any kingdom which provoked the Oba would always pay dearly for it. The Oba did not attack any tribe unprovoked.

Ojukwu tried to annex Edo to Biafra but failed. He had issues with Zik's Arewa friends who were killing his brothers up North but chose to attack Edo on the excuse that it was a war against Nigeria. Then Edo had no choice than to follow suit and join Nigeria to fight him back. Biafra is a dream dead and buried. You can never have it because you stopped others from having theirs.
Nemesis will forever be your portion.

pazienza:


So, it doesn't matter if we voted for a Yoruba( 2003 1999), Arewa( 1993) or Igbo( 1979), your hateful Edo beings would always find faults and reasons for Igbo vilification, as if you needed reasons to start with.

Lol!

Your 1979 voting for Igbo was due to the Arewa component of the candidacy in the person of a Kaduna Mafia running mate to Zik. There are always evidences to show Igbos' preference for Arewa than even themselves let alone other Southerners. Igbos are not really Southerners. When real Southerners unite and vote for a Southern candidate with genuine South's interest Igbos vote for Arewa candidates. Igbos identify more with Arewa than other Southerners.

pazienza:


You need a brain transplant surgery.

Igbos voted for Azikiwe in 1979 and not Awolowo or Shagari.

There can never be any justification for a non SS person getting as high as 40% of votes in a supposedly SS state in an Election a SSner was an incumbent and a frontrunner.

You need your joystick to be removed and replaced with your brain since you have reversed their roles.
Igbos voted for Zik in 1979 because he took an Arewa running mate from Kaduna State.

The SS is not a tribe. It is a region formed just some few years ago and yet unrecognized by the constitution and where the people are even really yet to come together to agree and evolve a common philosophy and creed. The informal creed seems to yet be resource control and a return to Federalism which Igbos dismantled. So there is yet no such extent of tribal harmony to warrant such rigid solidarity.
But Igbos are a single homogeneous tribe that has been in existence for over at least 500 years yet in an election where their own fellow Igbo was a frontrunner a Yoruba face of the Northern Oligarchy and non-Igbo got over 80℅ of their vote.
Four years later a Fulani man (non-Igbo) cleared over 90℅ of Igbo votes in an election having an Igbo man (Kalu) as frontrunner. There just can't be any justification for that.

pazienza:
Edo believes in solidarity but not to the extent of
retaining it when it is no longer justified or sensible
to do so. Blind solidarity is more of an Igbo thing.
In 2011 when GEJ appeared genuinely concerned
about the plight of the SS Edo rose above partisan
considerations and gave him bloc votes in
solidarity, but four years later when it became clear
that he was another Azikiwe, Edo gave it a second
thought.

Lol! So only Edos gave this so called "second thought"? Isn't it interesting that no other genuine SS state gave this Edo putrid rancid "second thought" ?

Freak of nature. Pseudo SS state.

And for all its worth, Edo solidarity with GEJ in 2011 mirrored those of SW and NC in 2011, and still mirrored those of SW and NC in 2015.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

Yes Edos gave the second thought. Like every other SS state Edo also started as a PDP state in 1999 but when the party failed they gave it a second thought and moved over to AC at a time most of the SW and all of the NC was still in PDP. That explains the fact that Edo decision is not really influenced by any other state's nor region's but by their own feelings alone.
As at the time when Edo left PDP Igbos were still together with the NC and NW states in PDP.
Again in 2011 when all the NC and most NE states voted for PDP Igbos followed suit.
Then in 2015 Igbos felt the NC and NE would vote for PDP/GEJ as they did in 2011. Remember Igbos created numerous threads on NL and other fora asserting that the NC and parts of NE and NW would give it to PDP and that Yorubas would be disgraced. So they voted for GEJ in line with their expectation from NC, parts of NC and NW. But these parts disappointed and disgraced them by voting for APC. Now, Igbos are currently trooping to join the NC, NE and NW in APC. So you can see that there is always an irresistible magnetic pull the Arewa exerts on Igbos.

pazienza:
But despite Igbos can’t point to any
concrete achievement in the whole Middle East,
they still stuck to him not even really for solidarity
purpose but for the assumption that he would
make Biafra possible for them or hand power over
to them at the end of his second term.

Lol! And what was the reason why the rest of TRUE SS like SE stuck with GEJ?
Oh I remember, they they( Edo) couldn't rise beyond "partisan considerations" to vote an Ijaw man, while the rest of non Ijaw SSners could. Hehe!

The results in other SS states were delayed to give room for rigging. Recall that in the SS Edo result was the first to be released as Edo did not have any agenda to inflate figures, but the other SS states' results took two more days to get released one by one in alternate pattern with the key Northern states obviously because the governors would wait to see the figures from the Northern states and then inflate theirs to neutralize them, hence the other SS states strangely recorded nearly 100℅ voters turn out relative to the register.
Had all the states been released at the same time the same pattern would have prevailed.
And the pattern of defections and eulogies being showered on APC today over the FG's impactful policies on the SS clearly shows that only Edos is even yet to commend those beneficial policies despite sacrificing most for it. Likewise Edo is least in the SS in terms of volume of defection from PDP to APC after GEJ's loss while Akwa Ibom tops the chart.

pazienza:
Question are now being vindicated on a daily basis
as the APC-led FG has commenced efforts aimed
at genuinely addressing the SS agitations over the
years which even GEJ, a son of the soil, refused to
attend to. They are: The reclassification of modular
refineries, Ogoni Land clean up, Coastal rail line
construction, Relocation of oil all companies
headquarters to the Niger Delta Region, etc. On the
other hand what can really be pointed to as GEJ’s
concrete achievement in connection with the SS
Question?

Lol! See delusions!

Of course the facts are unassailable.
Edos took a political decision and it is efficacious for the SS interest. But Igbos take political decisions and it leads to their further marginalization and subjugation, or war that sees them getting slaughtered like rams. Is the SS not happier now with these reforms going on in the petroleum industry than it was under GEJ's/PDP's time?

What Edos saw in GEJ was the spirit of Zik who abandoned his own brothers' interest in pursuit of Arewa interest. And that was exactly what GEJ did. He named himself Azikiwe and began to take after his stupidity. Of course Edos would never take that in the name of SS solidarity. Not after seeing what such stupid Zik-like attitude put Enahoro through. GEJ was not showing any solidarity to the SS Question and so he should not get any SS solidarity.

pazienza:
Edos don’t put up with stupidity under the excuse
of solidarity, and Neither the rest of the SS. Only
Igbos do, hence their continued defence and
celeberation of Azikiwe whose leadership and
representation caused them a havoc which took
them 30m years backwards. The SS issue is far
beyond having a SSner in power, and this is what
flimsy Igbos like you are completely ignorant of.
Jonathan was a wasted opportunity for the SS.
Edos realized it first and expressed it at the polls
despite having given him bloc votes in 2011. With
the FG’s fantastic reforms currently targeted at the
SS’ oil industry other SS states have passively
acknowledged Edo’s vindication.
Below are the assessment of GEJ’s concern about
the SS by sincere enlightened individuals from the
region.

Well, GEJ still got over 70% of votes in all true SS states in 2015. Are you saying the true SS states are stupid, while South Western/ North Central located Edo is the only wise one?

So, the SS issue is about having an Arewa-oduanistani government in power and not about having a SSner in power? Lol, we are learning everyday.

What fantastic reforms do you speak of? The Arewa-oduanistanis the last time I checked just plunged the Nigerian economy into recession and set the creeks on fire once again, which is only beginning to cool now. You are delusional.

I am saying only Igbos are stupid. The other SS states' results were rigged courtesy of their being delayed by the PDP governors. The results strangely recorded near 100℅ voter turnout relative to the register. However there was no rigging in Igbo land but GEJ still got huge figures there because, like their Zik, GEJ was a One-Nigerianist who sacrificed his own Region's interest 100℅ in pursuing Arewa-Biafra Oligarchy's interest.
If GEJ had showed genuine interest in the SS question Igbos would have hated him exactly the way they hate Saro Wiwa till tomorrow.

The SS issue is not really about a SSner being in power but about who would address the injustice Aguyi Ironsi did to Nigeria for which the SS was hardest hit. When GEJ came it was believed he would address it being from the region himself. But unfortunately he proved our assumption wrong by abandoned the SS and pursuing the objectives of the Arewa-Biafra marriage. He began to hound the genuine Niger Delta freedom fighters. He never really believed in a return to Federalism and for that Igbos loved him the more. Genuine and uncompromising SS fighters like MEND, Frank Kokori, Timi Harriman, James Ibori, etc abandoned him to the Biafra-Arewa coven which he stuck his head into. He failed to honour Saro Wiwa the genuine SS voice to the pleasure of Igbos in whose ears any thing anti-Wiwa is pleasant news. But the genuine SS fighters felt hurt. Only blind and self-seeking sychophants like Orubebe, Clark, Dokubo etc remained with him.

Nigeria's economy was plunged into recession by the bazaar GEJ did for Arewa guys like Dasuki, Yakubu, Tukur, etc and his SS sychophants like Dokpesi, Diezani, Dokubo, Orubebe, Clark, etc.

pazienza:
Only Igbos have decided to continue living in the
past and continue fantasizing about GEJ who
wasted an opportunity to redeem the SS and
Middle Belt while licking the arses of the Katsina
Mafia.
Only Igbos are so stupid and dishonest never to
criticize their own no matter how wrong and how
detrimental his actions are to them just like
Hausas and Fulanis do. And that’s why I insist that
Igbos and Hausa-Fulanis share a lot in common as
regards value system and attitude. Edwin Clarke
gave the same verdict on him too. MEND, a 100%
Ijaw group, endorsed Buhari’s candidacy in that
election. http://pointblanknews.com/pbn/
exclusive/mend-supports-buhari-jonathan/ .
https://
trwstockbrokers./2016/08/11/for-
six-whole-years-mr-jonathan-was-busy-drinking-
making-merry/

Well, the only three main empires( translate: Those with insatiable thirst for their neighbors resources including lands) in Nigeria, where in Edo, Fulani and Yorubalands.
It's obvious those who share similar mindsets, the 2015 showed us just that.

Delusional beings who believed a former military dictator with questionable educational qualifications, who was linked with the most corrupt government in Nigerian history( Abacha government) was ever going to be a better substitute for a true democrat, with outstanding educational qualifications.

The stupidity from these three ancient land grabbing groups is really blinding.

Igbos always stood for excellence. No rational human being would chose an archaic educational inferior candidate over a modern, educationally superior candidate. Only morons do that.

Many hungry Igbo groups endorsed Buhari too, and the likes of Ogbonnaya Onu and Ngige were with him all the way, he was even given a chieftaincy title by Aba monarch,so MEND endorsing him means nothing. What real SS votes said in 2015, meant more.

In post colonial era Igbos and Hausa-Fulanis have retained blood affinity instincts. While Igbos shed blood for rituals towards overnight wealth, Hausa-Fulanis would do so over religious issues. In addition Igbos eat human flesh and the blood therein. This blood thirst common to Igbos and Hausa-Fulanis explains why Igbos have remained in the North living peacefully with Hausa-Fulanis even though the latter have always shed their blood repeatedly. They are able to coexist perfectly with them because they have the same tastes in blood post colonization, hence they soon forgive them and mingle with them again after their own massacre by them in the North. After Hausa-Fulanis killed thousands of Igbos in the North post-Ironsi's assassination, Ojukwu, in furtherance of the Biafra-Arewa blood covenant, twice sent back to the North his own brothers who managed to escape the pogroms with deep body cuts so that they may go and be used to fully demonstrate the bloodshed relationship between Biafra and Arewa. This extends into politics and explains why the Arewa-Biafra alliances have always dominated Nigeria's politics. 1959, 1979 and 1999 all showed us that trend. All such coalitions have always been sustained in power by bloodshed while Yorubas, Edos and other Southern minorities would stand aside and watch them.

Funny enough the "non-delusional" beings who knew "better" about democratic credentials had in 1999 believed that an ex-military dictator who institutionalized corruption in Nigeria, massacred innocent lives in their own homelands during the war was going to be better than a pure civilian who had proved his mettle in good governance and was never found wanting corruption wise.
Even that Abacha government they claim Buhari served in was served in by their own Daniel Kanu, Arthur Nzeribe, Chukumerijie, etc. What better definition of hypocrisy exists?
The same "non-delusional" folks re-rooted for OBJ in 2003 after the massacres he committed in Odi and Zakibiam which led to scores of innocent lives dead. Where did they keep their democratic values while rooting for a devil like OBJ? You people's hypocrisy is mind boggling.

These modern land grabbers always seeking to declare no man's land status over other peoples' lands are really shamelessly hypocritic.
Igbos always stood for excellence and yet kept on preferring political alliances that constantly gave power to uneducated Northerners like Balewa and Shagari over alliances that would give it to Southerners with high flying degrees from prestigious universities of the world. What a way to stand for excellence!
Only imbeciles would do such and call it a vote for excellence.
However, MEND was not a hungry group as they never accepted the amnesty. They fought for the SS interest with all sincerity and rejected any contingency approach. So their stand on Niger Delta issue means more than the votes that were rigged. On the other hand neither Ogbonnaya Onu or Ngige ever stuckb their heads out for Biafra or the Niger Delta issue, hence their voices are rightly meaningless.

pazienza:
This is once more coming after having earlier said
that there were already many Igbos in the West
hence their domination of NCNC. However history
shows that even before 1900 Igbos were already
scattered among other peoples in very large
numbers. For example Zik was born in Zungerua,
Nger State, Ojukwu too the same Zungeru, Michael
Okpara – Keffi in todays Nassarawa; meaning that
their parents had moved to settle in the North
before amalgamation. On the contrary Awolowo
and Enahoro were both born in their home towns of
Ikenne and Uromi meaning their parents lived at
home. So cut this crap of Igbos.

I fail to see how this helps your argument.

How exactly does this prove that the 10% of votes Shagari got in Oyo, were Igbo votes? And not Yoruba votes. Are you implying that Oyo state had more Igbo population by percentage than Lagos?

Of course you can't see it because your comprehension is zero.

pazienza:


GEJ won Nassarawa and Plateau too, but only just! Like he did in Edo. We saw the same pattern in Ekiti.

This amphotericity places Edo exactly where it rightly belongs, which is SW or NC.
Learnt parts of Edo North use to be part of present day NC. It makes sense.

Hear the shameless hypocrite speaking again. No part of Edo State was ever in the North Central Region or even the Northern Protectorate. You will remain a barefaced liar if you cannot provide a link to that. Except the Sagbama Area of Bendel was carved into present day Bayelsa by Obasanjo the boundaries of Edo and Delta have always been intact.
Igbos voted for GEJ in 2011 because that was the pattern all over NC and parts of NE. Then in 2015 they believed and boasted that the NC would vote for GEJ hence they tagged along, created posts on NL and other fora that NC would as usual give it to GEJ and that Yorubas would be disappointed, and then voted for him. But the NC disappointed them at the 11th hour and voted APC. Now Igbos are trooping daily to meet the NC in APC.
Kalu, Nwobodo, Ekwunife, Nnamani, Chime, etc are examples. That is the Arewa pull repeat of history. Zik-Balewa, Ekweme-Shagari, Abacha- Kanu-Arthur Nzeribe- Chukwu Merijie, and now Saraki (from NC) going with Ekweremadu for 2019 in the Markafi faction. Also recall that even in PDP senate president and deputy were was David Mark (NC) and Ekweremadu (SE).
There are Igbos indegenous to some LGAs in Benue and Kogi till tomorrow while parts of Igalla land have remained in Anambra till today. Can you therefore see the bond between SE and NC?
Also, on account of being in the same Guinea Savannah (grassland) vegetation belt like the NC, Fulani Herdsmen are very many in Enugu, Ebonyi and some parts of Anambra regularly acting out the mutual blood lust through the frequent incidences of Fulani herdsmen attack on local communities in these three states which represent over 70℅ of the Middle East.
Igbos are not really Southerners. They were just added to the South to avoid a distortion of the map. They are freak and politically delocalized.

pazienza:


PDP meant Nigeria battered by the military and left her as the biggest economy in Africa.
Edo and every part of Nigeria enjoyed the boom under PDP.
PDP is not the best, but APC is certainly a retrograde movement and not progressive one.

It was still the founders of PDP that battered Nigeria while they were military men. Speaking in the capacity of a founder and financier, IBB recently confessed to the existence of a military wing of the PDP. Come to think of it, PDP founders were mostly military men. OBJ whom PDP first put forward was an ex-military man purposely brought out of jail to be installed by the Biafra-Arewa caucus of the party, David Mark an ex-military man who is in his fifth term in the Senate now, Yaradua who was railroaded by OBJ to appease the soul of his ex-military man elder brother.

Nigeria's rise to largest economy in Africa was not the making of PDP but by the price of crude oil which was stable at above $100 almost throughout their 16 years. PDP was ushered in with credible elections in 1999 but before PDP left we had inherited ballot box snatching, gunshots at pollen units, vote buying, multiple thumbprinting, etc. PDP met only OPC but before they left we had inherited Niger Delta Militants, Bakassi Boys, Egbesu Boys, Nassarawa Deadly Sect, MASSOB, IPOB, Boko Haram, etc which are all features of a failed state. Under PDP corruption rise to another level, senators were bribed with 50 m each for third term bid, a PDP government massacres innocent women and children in Odi, Zakibiam, Gbaramatu, Oporoza, etc. Under PDP suicide bombing entered Nigeria, Shariah riots started, commercial kidnapping started, etc.

[b] Ojukwu was born with a silver spoon in his mouth,
but for your sake he chose to be poor and to die
poor, he accepted being villified, he stuck his head
out to fight for you people, despite being a brilliant
Oxford University graduate who, in a Nigeria
without a history of war, would have been a
powerful political force to reckon with, his
intellectual inferiors in the army became military
presidents and also later became civilian
presidents - a position he deserved more than
them, yet he accepted all that humiliation and
underachievement as worth the fight to free you
people from the grip of one Nigeria. Ironically that
man contested an election and right in his own
region and among the very people for whom he
suffered all these self denials and lost to a Yoruba
man who represented the interest of the very
Hausa-Fulani who chased him out of Nigeria and
would have hanged him to death had they laid their
hands on him. Unfortunately a misguided hypocrite
here whose brothers gave as much as 20% to one
of those who attempted to murder the man who so
sacrificed himself for them is here having sleepless
nights over Edo's for giving as much 60% and not
100% to a Jonathan who, though was from the SS; [/b]


Ojukwu wasn't a major candidate in 2003, GEJ was a major candidate in 2015, Hope you know the difference.
In gubernatorial elections where APGA candidate was a leading Candidate in Anambra and even in Imo with Rochas, Ojukwu pleaded for Igbo votes, and he got it! In 1983, even though Ojukwu lost his senatorial seat bid to NPP Dr Onwudiwe, He nullified NPP stronghold on Anambra and delivered Chief Onoh of NPN as the governor of Anambra state, Ndiigbo always showed Ojukwu love.

Either way, the voting pattern for OBJ in 2003 was same in the whole of Real SS( despite the Odi atrocity) and SE, it was the era of do or die politics of OBJ and it was hard separating real election results from rigging.


Moreover, the voting pattern of Real SS or SE couldn't have mattered, seeing as non of the two leading candidates( Buhari and OBJ) were from either of the two regions, this wasn't same with 2015 with a SS leading candidate.

This will be my last reply to you on this thread, as this discussion had ran its full course and is nolonger mentally stimulating for me.

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pazienza:


Had Rochas performed better than he did, it wouldn't still get Buhari more votes than Rochas tried to get for him by all means.

If there were no nexus between Rochas' performance and Buhari's figures at all then Imo should have given less than 6% votes to Buhari like all the other Middle Eastern states did. Imo's contrasting 20% to all other ME states is a testimonial to the fact that had Rochas spent up to 8 years before that election held Buhari would have scored up to 55% there.

pazienza:


Haha! But SE is not SS and GEJ no matter how we love him is not a SEner!
70% of votes for GEJ in Imo is still a big vote margin.

How do we explain a. supposedly SS state not replicating the rest of SS states or atleast doing better than Imo ?

60% votes for GEJ in Edo was even too much considering the fact that Edo was most humiliated and disgraced by GEJ's failure to address the SS Question but rather championed Arewa-Biafra Oligarchy's interest.
The first ever meeting of SS governors to strategize for SS presidency was held in Benin and the cost burden borne by alone by Edo State government and her people despite being the SS state worst hit by military misrule before the dawn of democracy in 1999.
An Edo man owned TV station (AIT) was the only TV which agreed to champion awareness creation for the SS Question for no charge.
AIT which started as a TV with strict professional adherence to neutrality and balance was compelled by the force of the Niger Delta neglect to throw away ethics and take sides against the FG, and in retaliation its studio was twice bulldozed by Obasanjo.
AIT, more than any other TV station, also devoted most of its air time to sponsoring and airing talk shows on the SS presidency struggle, sponsored their reporters to at the risk of their lives to keep keeping track of militants in the creeks in all the six SS states so that publicity might be given to their voices. It was on AIT that people like the Okar Brothers, the later treacherous Dokubo, Tompolo, Boyloaf, etc first appeared on screen.
AIT made it a point of duty to give full and excessive coverage and transmission to any political event or traditional festival anywhere in the SS to the annoyance of other regions. With all these and to the detriment of Edos AIT lost credibility for objectiveness and balance in the eyes of most Nigerians of other regions.
Despite being in the opposition Oshiomhole, the Edo State governor, agreed, as a credible voice, to GEJ's request, to help him defend his rather unpopular subsidy removal in 2012 which Oshiomhole honoured in the spirit of SS brotherhood at the risk of being accused of anti-party activities by the then AC. That step by Oshiomhole has till today placed a very ugly question mark on his person and brought shame to Edos on account of how those subsidy funds were later fleeced under GEJ by Northerners. GEJ could not find any other SS governor to do same for him despite they actually benefited more from him than Edo.
Even in the antithetical amnesty programme Edo ex-militants got no single penny despite they too were mostly Ijaws, Urhobos and Itshekiris indigenous to Edo State.
And among the SS states Edo is least tolerant to disappointment hence GEJ became an anathema in their eyes for championing the Arewa-Biafra interests over the SS Question.
Results from the other SS states were rigged by the governors otherwise the Edo pattern would have manifested all through.

pazienza:


So, we agree that Edo the freak state in SS couldn't resist the Arewa pull in 2015, even when a SSner was a leading Candidate in the election.

Igbos voted for no Arewa candidate in 1959, NCNC was in coalition with NPC, there is a difference.

And we voted for an Igbo candidate in 1979 in Zik.

We voted for a Yoruba candidate in 1999, alongside the real SS.

I have not agreed that Edo has any connection with Arewa pull. My response was to point out your hypocrisy. the candidate leading in that election was himself more interested in Arewa interest than the SS interest which Edo Shares. Edo is not like Igbos who still continued to support Zik while he continued to sacrifice Igbo interest to the benefit of Arewa. For goodness sake, what then is the essence of voting for a supposed SSner who was pursuing the Arewa-Biafra Oligarchy's interest ironically to the neglect of his own region's interest? It is absurd. You wanted Edos to vote him so he could continue with his pursuit of Arewa-Biafra objectives which were ruinous to Edo interests and survival?

The alliance between NPC and NCNC was not just an oral agreement beetween the two parties but was arrived at by an election within the already elected parliament. In that election which happened on the floor of the parliarment the NCNC (Igbo) MPs voted for Balewa together with the NPC' Mps and hence Balewa emerged. Those NCNC Mps who voted for Balewa were Igbos and also represented their respective constituencies wishes.

You people voted for Zik in 1979 because he had an Arewa running mate.
You people voted in 1999 for a Yoruba man who was the preference of the Arewa, hence in 1993 you voted against the Yoruba man whom the real Southerners voted for.

pazienza:


Possibly. Osunbor and co defected too.

Osunbor defected far before GEJ lost the election. And his defection was against the overbearing influence of Tony Anenih in Edo PDP. Moreover Osunbor's name has never been an issue with EFCC. So it was a principled defection. Other Edo PDP politicians who no longer felt relevant courtesy of GEJ's defeat have chosen to resign from active politicking or keep a low profile rather than defect to APC. Examples are Lucky and his father, Anenih, That is politics with principles.
However, Nwobodo, Ekwunife, Sullivan Chime, Orji Kalu, Andy Ubah, even Martins Elechi, and other Igbo top politicians too numerous to count have already defected to APC just after Jonathan lost to Buhari. Those are indications of Arewa pull.

pazienza:


Osunbor left PDP when it became obvious APC was now in full control of Edo. How many prominent PDP chieftain do Edos have other than Anineh?

None of those men you mentioned are currently in power. They are seeking for protection, naturally and possibly return to power, since they had all lost control of PDP machinery in their respective states to bitter rivals, who are currently still in PDP and in power.

AC gained full control of Edo State as of 2006 when people became disillusioned with PDP over Lucky's performance and were rooting for a change as far back as then, yet Osunbor contested the Edo 2007 governorship under PDP.
The prominent Edo PDP chieftains apart from Anenih are Lucky Igbenedion, Gabriel Igbinedion, Tom Ikhimi, etc who are not defecting even though they are not in power.

pazienza:



"From 1967 to '70, Nigeria fought a war -
the Nigeria-Biafra war. And in the middle of
that war, I was 14 years old. We spent
much of our time with my mother cooking.
For the army - my father joined the army as
a brigadier - the Biafran army. We were on
the Biafran side".
Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala


"I want to say something about patriotism. My
friend Kanu (Nwankwo) and I are the only ones
that played in Europe for almost 40 years and
came back with our Ibo accent. If that is not
patriotism, I don't know what that mean," Okocha
joked.

See them. How many Edos can lace their shoes in their fields of endeavor?

Even in my home town we were sympathetic to the innocent Igbo civilians who settled among us. When the federal troops came looking for them to kill , the Igbos who lived among us were hidden in the attics for days and being fed secretly at the risk of us being discovered and accused of treason against the FG. Because of that raw love we showed them some of those Igbos at the end of the war ensured that their children got married to our people and their descendants are among us till today. So Okonjo Iweala said nothing spectacular.

Igbos and pettiness! since when did accent retention become an indication of patriotism? Bringing back Igbo accent is not loyalty to Nigeria but to Igbo land. Genuine patriotism should be more about how many times they honoured invitations to come and play for Nigeria while they were away in their clubs enjoying fat pays in Europe.

Edo has produced prominent men whose shoes neither Kanu nor Okocha could lace. The independence which gave Kanu and Okocha their Nigerian identity and a subject of patriotism was a fruit of the efforts of Enahoro an Edo man. You can't be greater than a man who gave you the country you pride yourself as being patriotic to.

pazienza:


Hehe! Never expected better from an Ignorant bitter Igbophobic Edo man.

https://www.nairaland.com/3102772/onitsha-ranked-most-polluted-city/6

Go through Sonnie10 posts there. and stop disgracing yourself.

Onitsha is better City by any standard, than your Bini city of blood and Gore!

Onitsha is actually the land of blood and gore. An hotel was recently discovered there in which human meat is served. Many other blood linked orgies are reported about Onitsha and never Benin.
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www.nairaland.com/2317324/hotel-selling-human-meat-exposed
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Comparing Onitsha with Benin is like comparing darkness with light. Edo remains atop of all Middle East states in GDP per Capita in Nigeria. According to ranking the states are 1.Delta, 2.Rivers, 3. Lagos, 4. Edo 5. Cross River....... in that order. https://www.nairaland.com/1350005/richest-states-nigeria-gdp-per.
Anambra is nowhere to be found near Edo.

This thread had ran its full course as it stands. I'd ordinarily wanted to let it be, as there is nothing new to learn or say here, but for the for the sake of Igbo integrity and pride, I will reply your empty posts when I have time to. So far in this thread, we had achieved the following:

1. Ironsi wasn't the one who dissolved Nigerian regions and created dysfunctional entities called states. Gowon with active support from Yorubas, Edo and Arewa did that.

2. Zik never forced anyone into the Nigerian entity, all he used was diplomacy. Those who say otherwise are yet to provide first hand concrete evidence to provefso, other than watery verbose argument bereft of facts or rationality.

3. Edo as a state is educationally behind SE in whatever parameter there is to be used. And is also behind the SE in all relevant developmental indices, Edo vs SE is unfair as Edo is just a state, one might argue, but that's exactly the point. Edo can't measure up to SE.

4. Ironsi/Ojukwu- Boro saga was a strictly Eastern region affair that was later replayed in Biafra with Ijaws caught on both sides of the divide. It had nothing whatsoever to do with far away Ijaws or Yorubas.

pazienza:


I for one, don't have problems with Igboids being in SS, it's an advantage to get double portion of things in Nigeria if you ask me, once we get our house in order. But I understand why some Igbos in SE don't like it.

Edo was just a freak of nature. It couldn't fit into SW or NC or SS, but it had to be fixed some where, and since the rest of defunct Bendel were already in SS, Edo fell into SS by default.

You don't have problems with Igboids being in the SS yet you claim they were included in the SS so that the SE could be denied of oil producing status. Double speak!

Qualification to be in the SS was by being a Southern minority and not your invented criteria. If Edo just had to be fixed somewhere then why was it not fixed in SW or NC which you claim it is more related to? One keeps wondering why Igbos are the only tribes so interested in this SS classification that they alone keep rewriting history of how and why it was formed. It is an indication of envy and a feeling of lust after oil. You can't hear a Yoruba, Hausa or Fulani man having sleepless nights over the composition of a region which is not his. What concerns Igbos with SS ordinarily? Why can't Igbos mind their own business in their SE? Why are they so interested in the SS that they always want to be the ones to say who should and who should not be in the SS?
You started by using the presence of moslems in Edo North as an evidence to your hallucination that Edo is not in the SS, it was punctured by showing you that in addition to having the best islamic university built in Ebonyi, Enugu and too have even willing indigenous moslem converts unlike those of Edo who were forcefully evangelized. Seeing the routing you shifted to latitude, but was again shown that Edo is closer to the coast than any Middle East state thus has a seaport which no Middle East state can ever have. You were also shown that over 70% of the Middle East is in the Guinea savanna - a feature of Northernness. You shifted to the lie that some parts of Edo North were once in the NC but you could not provide any link to that. That lie was debunked and you were shown that Igbos are even the ones still having indigenous communities in the NC state of Benue till tomorrow, but you shifted again to election statistics for which you were shown that the same standard makes the whole of Middle East part of the Northern Regions on account of having voted for Tofa and having always voted for Northern Moslems against the South. Now you have shifted to theories of Edo being part of the SS only because it was part of the defunct Bendel - a theory which reeks of crass ignorance of the fact that most of those other tribes of Bendel are actually Benin Kingdom emigrants who till today don't regard their own coronation ceremonies as complete without the presence of the Oba of Benin's representatives. The Urhobos in Delta claim Benin descent. The Itsekiris in Delta claim Benin descent and regard the Oba as the ancestral father of their Olu. When Olu of Warri passed on in coincidence with Oba Erediauwa's the Itshekiri's, in observance of their custom, waited for the burial rites of the Oba to be concluded before they started theirs. No Urhobo traditional ruler agrees to be crowned without the presence of the Oba of Benin's representatives in attendance. Same with the traditional rulers of Agbor. So the question now becomes one of where the nucleus of Bendel really lies if not Benin City in Edo State. Can you see how you've been running from pillar to post to prove a non-existent point?

Fremancipation:
Panzienza

You are very knowledgeable with history. You need to start a blog to document your knowledge.

Also a place we're we Ndigbo can post questions for you while you answer them to the best of your knowledge.

Dalu nwanne mmadu. I'd try and do that once I get more free time on my hands.
Sorry for the late reply. You didn't write my moniker correctly, so I didn't get mentions on it.

pazienza:
This thread had ran its full course as it stands. I'd ordinarily wanted to let it be, as there is nothing new to learn or say here, but for the for the sake of Igbo integrity and pride, I will reply your empty posts when I have time to. So far in this thread, we had achieved the following:

1. Ironsi wasn't the one who dissolved Nigerian regions and created dysfunctional entities called states. Gowon with active support from Yorubas, Edo and Arewa did that.

2. Zik never forced anyone into the Nigerian entity, all he used was diplomacy. Those who say otherwise are yet to provide first hand concrete evidence to proof so, other than watery verbose argument bereft of facts or rationality.

3. Edo as a state is educationally behind SE in whatever parameter there is to be used. And is also behind the SE in all relevant developmental indices, Edo vs SE is unfair as Edo is just a state, one might argue, but that's exactly the point. Edo can't measure up to SE.

4. Ironsi/Ojukwu- Boro saga was a strictly Eastern region affair that was later replayed in Biafra with Ijaws caught on both sides of the divide. It had nothing whatsoever to do with far away Ijaws or Yorubas.

These deductions of yours are clearly against the logic gleaned from the post which are:

1. Ironsi pioneered the dismantling of federalism and opened the eyes of Northerners to the fraudulent benefits of unitary system.

2. Ironsi centralized the civil service which remained the main tool of by which governance is done. So centralizing the civil service was essentially the centralization of government.

3. Zik relied on the British's use of threat of treason to force those who wanted secession to abandon their desire. So Zik used force and not diplomacy.

3. Edo is Educationally ahead of the Middle East. It has more universities than each Middle East State, has 8 schools among the best 50 by WAEC standards while each state in the Middle has just 3 on the average.

4. In terms of GDP per capita in Nigeria Edo is 4th with only Delta, Rivers and Lagos ahead of it but with no Middle East State coming as top as that. So for the fact that GDP per capita is the fundamental index for measuring development Edo is ahead of the Middle East in every consideration. Comparing Edo to Middle East is fair because it is Edo to each ME state.

5. Ironsi and Boro affair was a wholly Nigerian affair because the charges on Boro and the sentencing were all carried out in Nigeria's capital of Lagos and not the Eastern Region's capital of Enugu.

Deadlytruth:

Ndiigbo were never in alliance with Akintiola yet all of them on the floor of the Federal Parliament voted in favour of the law retroactively made by Balewa to re-instate Akintola against the Privy Council's verdict. The same Ndiigbo section of the Western House Assembly joined Akintola's Yoruba supporters to disrupt proceedings towards passing a vote of no confidence on Akintola. One of them even broke the Western House Mace in support of Akintola, yet Ndiigbo did not collude with Akintola? You are an ignoramus.

Which privy council you speak of? How can a bunch of neo colonialist in London be allowed to issue command on proceedings in a democratic independent Nigeria.
No such Federal parliament or whatever vote took place. Akintola made his own luck, he refused to stick by colonial dictates of Privy council based in London, he conveyed emergency sitting of the Western region parliament and there and then ammendend section 114 of the Western region constitution , which ensured that privy council rulling became null and void. The privy council drilling was based on a colonial mentality part of the constitution that empowered the Governor, usually a colonial master to depose the Premier, citing loss of support by the Premier. It wasn't done by any Igbo man or anything as such.

Ebubedike broke the mace, true, but he was entitled to his own allegiance, Adeyi also hit Momoh with his chair.

You are shameless.

pazienza:


NO ethnic nation is without little squabbles. The Ashkenazi and Sepheradim Jews for instance do have their minor squabbles but what matters is that they unit politically for the greater interest of Israel against outside aggressors and for common good. What matters is that both MASSOB and IPOB will vote 100% for Biafra, even if they disagree over means towards achieving it sometimes.

Edo had proven to be incapable of rising beyond "partisan considerations" to unite with the rest of SS in pursing a political agenda of 're electing an Ijaw SS candidate in 2015. This is a big elephant in a room that can't be ignored.

By the way, Ohanaeze is the Igbo socio cultural organization with Ebonyi traditional rulers and representatives. Here was Ohanaeze consensus agreement and submission to the conference : http://www.nigeriamasterweb.com/OhanaezeDraftSubConstitutionReview.html

Ebonyi caucus: https://www.nairaland.com/3607098/igbo-presidency-without-restructuring-not

Even among Igbos there were groups within who sabotaged Biafra. The Ebonyi's are obviously afraid of oppression in a returned Eastern Region which mirrors Biafra.

Jonathan was not an Edo man. Moreover he was not pursuing the SS's interest but that of Arewa-Biafra.
In the SS there was already disillusionment. The rigging in the other SS states made the patterns different from Edo's. Posterity has proved that Edo was indeed right as the government of the day has started addressing the issues for which GEJ's presidency was championed and he failed. The genuine agitators for the SS Question who did not accept gifts or bribes disowned GEJ as Edo did. In line with the fundamentals of the SS struggle and Edo's position: All oil companies have been directed by the current government to relocate their headquarters to the Niger Delta Communities, modular refineries are now to be legalized to provide jobs for the restless youths in the SS, UNEP report has started being implemented in Ogoni and very soon in all other parts of the SS suffering oil pollution scourge, coastal railway to be built crossing all the SS states and specifically passing through GEJ's village. These are the reasons why the SS presidency project was undertaken with Edo in front and sacrificing most. The SS son who became president through that project never talked about all these but was busy doling out the SS' funds to Arewans and Bifrans. Of course Edo had to vote him out. The SS Question is not really much about having a SS son in power but about resource control. So whoever could do it is welcome.

Deadlytruth:


These deductions of yours are clearly against the logic gleaned from the post which are:

1. Ironsi pioneered the dismantling of federalism and opened the eyes of Northerners to the fraudulent benefits of unitary system.

2. Ironsi centralized the civil service which remained the main tool of by which governance is done. So centralizing the civil service was essentially the centralization of government.

3. Zik relied on the British's use of threat of treason to force those who wanted secession to abandon their desire. So Zik used force and not diplomacy.

3. Edo is Educationally ahead of the Middle East. It has more universities than each Middle East State, has 8 schools among the best 50 by WAEC standards while each state in the Middle has just 3 on the average.

4. In terms of GDP per capita in Nigeria Edo is 4th with only Delta, Rivers and Lagos ahead of it but with no Middle East State coming as top as that. So for the fact that GDP per capita is the fundamental index for measuring development Edo is ahead of the Middle East in every consideration. Comparing Edo to Middle East is fair because it is Edo to each ME state.

5. Ironsi and Boro affair was a wholly Nigerian affair because the charges on Boro and the sentencing were all carried out in Nigeria's capital of Lagos and not the Eastern Region's capital of Enugu.

1. Very illogical thing to say. "opened their eyes" , Lol! My lord, I stole the car because my friend who earlier attempted to do the same "opened my eyes" to the possibility of stealing a car. He was the one who stole the car because he put the idea in my head. I'm not to be blamed. Lol!

2. Still not the same as dissolving the regions. Nor was he the one that gave Nigeria the current dysfunctional system she runs. It was done by Gowon with active support of Edos and Yorubas.

3. Still doesn't answer the question. Did Zik use force to keep any part of Nigeria in Nigeria? Yes or No? If Yes, what direct force/ actions did Zik use to bring non consenting groups into Nigeria
Is Zik now synonymous to Britain?

4. We can't be talking about average here. SE is being compared as a single entity at against Edo. Does SE have more schools in top 50 WAEC schools than Edo? Answer Yes! Does SE have more universities than Edo? Answer is Yes! Did SE get the first federal and state Universities before Edo? Answer is Yes! Does SE have higher cut off marks in national exams possibly because of better performance of her indigenes on the average more than Edo? Yes! Does SE have higher literacy rates than Edo? Answer is Yes! Those SE have more highly accomplished and globally renowned academicians than Edo? Yes!
The GDP of SE is many times bigger than that of Edo. Edo is one state? Well, that's the point, Edo is no match for SE.

5. Boro /Ojukwu-Ironsi affair was strictly an Eastern region affair. Awolowo/Akintola affair was strictly a western region affair, yet we had intervention from far away London( Privy council) and Supreme court. It didn't stop it from being a Western region affair, first and foremost.