adepeter2027:
Butterfly and Felix won't kill me o-o.


According to them, the universe is perfectly designed, yet abortion is NATURAL. But when humans deliberately execute the act, it's artificial. (lwkmd4h)

cc hopefullandlord, deceide and Co.

Una read that nonsense above?.......

Let me explain what your ignorance is not aware of.

Abortion is never natural. The word abortion is often used to mean only induced abortions.

An abortion that occurs spontaneously is known as a miscarriage. There is a difference!

Abortions are deliberate. Miscarriages are not.

Now that i have helped in upgrading your knowledge you can edit your ignorant comment.

Cc deicide

butterflyl1on:


Let me explain what your ignorance is not aware of.

Abortion is never natural. The word abortion is often used to mean only induced abortions.

An abortion that occurs spontaneously is known as a miscarriage. There is a difference!

Abortions are deliberate. Miscarriages are not.

Now that i have helped in upgrading your knowledge you can edit your ignorant comment.

Cc deicide

For in mind e don make sense

Deicide:

For in mind e don make sense

If you can understand my nuggets of knowledge which I just shared with you then you would know why abortion is wrong and why Felix and myself are against it.

Wilful acts of evil are wrong. Any premeditated evil is wrong. Planning to kill someone is as good as already killing the person. Planning to lie is as good as lying already. Planning to flush out a fetus is as good as the act being done already.

If the plan is wrong then the act is wrong.

butterflyl1on:


Let me explain what your ignorance is not aware of.

Abortion is never natural. The word abortion is often used to mean only induced abortions.

An abortion that occurs spontaneously is known as a miscarriage. There is a difference!

Abortions are deliberate. Miscarriages are not.

Now that i have helped in upgrading your knowledge you can edit your ignorant comment.

Cc deicide

Was I d person who said abortion is natural?

BTW when serious medical complications arise where the fetus is not developing well or some parts/organs (absence of limbs, absence of eyes etc) are missing via UlTra-Scan and abortion is done, what will you call that? A sin? A product of I.D?

butterflyl1on:


If you can understand my nuggets of knowledge which I just shared with you then you would know why abortion is wrong and why Felix and myself are against it.

Of course am the one that is in support of abortion cause am an Unbeliever we don't have morality

Deicide:

For in mind e don make sense

Aswear you wicked.

That attached image gath me cracking walai

Deicide:

For in mind e don make sense

Miscarriage, also known as spontaneous abortion and pregnancy loss, is the natural death of an embryo or fetus before it is able to survive independently. Some use the cutoff of 20 weeks of gestation, after which fetal death is known as a stillbirth.
Risk factors · Diagnosis · Prevention


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage

in his coacroach mind mtseew. as if spontaneous abortion is not the term doctors use.

Humanistme:


Miscarriage, also known as spontaneous abortion and pregnancy loss, is the natural death of an embryo or fetus before it is able to survive independently. Some use the cutoff of 20 weeks of gestation, after which fetal death is known as a stillbirth.
Risk factors · Diagnosis · Prevention


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage

in his coacroach mind mtseew. as if spontaneous abortion is not the term doctors use.

Don't blame butterflypig he forgot to use google that's why, since that's what he normally does that's where his knowledge comes from Empty Brain

adepeter2027:

Was I d person who said abortion is natural?

BTW when serious medical complications arise where the fetus is not developing well or some parts/organs (absence of limbs, absence of eyes etc) are missing via UlTra-Scan and abortion is done, what will you call that? A sin? A product of I.D?

Is there no records of people who were born without these body parts who did not end up leading successful and eventful lives? If there are, Who then decides if the ones with the same conditions seen via ultrascan would not also lead eventful and successful lives?

At what point is a fetus alive? At what point is a fetus human? Those should be the kind of questions you should be asking.

butterflyl1on:


Is there no records of people who were born without these body parts who did not end up leading successful and eventful lives? If there are, Who then decides if the ones with the same conditions seen via ultrascan would not also lead eventful and successful lives?

At what point is a fetus alive? At what point is a fetus human? Those should be the kind of questions you should be asking.

Let's not deviate from the OP. I don't go lengthy anymore in discussions or arguments

THANK YOU

Humanistme:


Miscarriage, also known as spontaneous abortion and pregnancy loss, is the natural death of an embryo or fetus before it is able to survive independently. Some use the cutoff of 20 weeks of gestation, after which fetal death is known as a stillbirth.
Risk factors · Diagnosis · Prevention


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage

in his coacroach mind mtseew. as if spontaneous abortion is not the term doctors use.

When doctors call it spontaneous abortion they refer to a miscarriage. The word SPONTANEOUS shows it is a miscarriage.

However wherever you see ABORTION alone being used it means INDUCED!

Let me make it simpler for you below

spontaneous
adjective
performed or occurring as a result of a sudden impulse or inclination and without premeditation or external stimulus

miscarriage
noun
the spontaneous or unplanned expulsion of a fetus from the womb before it is able to survive independently.

Do you see why spontaneous is used to describe a miscarriage?

The word spontaneous is simply a description of the kind of abortion and spontaneous being used depicts a miscarriage. Thank me later

butterflyl1on:


When doctors call it spontaneous abortion they refer to a miscarriage. The word SPONTANEOUS shows it is a miscarriage.

However wherever you see ABORTION alone being used it means INDUCED!

Let me make it simpler for you below

spontaneous
adjective
performed or occurring as a result of a sudden impulse or inclination and without premeditation or external stimulus

miscarriage
noun
the spontaneous or unplanned expulsion of a fetus from the womb before it is able to survive independently.

Do you see why spontaneous is used to describe a miscarriage?

The word spontaneous is simply a description of the kind of abortion and spontaneous being used depicts a miscarriage. Thank me later

bla bla bla it is a kind of abortion that's the the point. abortion is either spontaneous or induced. argue with your God. bye.

Humanistme:



bla bla bla it is a kind of abortion that's the the point. abortion is either spontaneous or induced. argue with your God. bye.

Chai

A miscarriage is not an abortion. Spontaneous means sudden.

abortion
noun
the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks


miscarriage
noun
the spontaneous or unplanned expulsion of a fetus from the womb before it is able to survive independently.

Do you see the difference? Spontaneous is what shows that the termination was unplanned.

Abortion simply means TERMINATION. spontaneous termination is the word so I understand your ignorance due to the word ABORTION being used.

It's simply a lack of understanding on your part.

butterflyl1on:


Natural death is not murder. Murder is an intentional act. Any intentional abortion is a no no. Perhaps you would have loved to have been intentionally aborted or murdered as a fetus.

You guys love to appeal to emotional blackmail to impose your moral sensibilities on others.
Murdering a fetus is an oxymoron, murder refers only to a person, a human being. Cells are not referred to as a person, and definitely a sperm and ovum merging together cannot be said to be a person.

I could not have been aborted because my patents wanted me badly. They went to great lengths with expenses to conceive me. I can say I never lack love.

A woman should never be forced to birth a child she does not want.

Abortion has not reduced the world population, in fact it is increasing in geometric proportions.

butterflyl1on:


Is there no records of people who were born without these body parts who did not end up leading successful and eventful lives? If there are, Who then decides if the ones with the same conditions seen via ultrascan would not also lead eventful and successful lives?

At what point is a fetus alive? At what point is a fetus human? Those should be the kind of questions you should be asking.

Was it you or your moral or religious organization that ensured that people born without complete body parts led meaningful lives? It was the parents, so the decision to have or not have the baby should rest squarely on those responsible for the survival and upkeep of the baby.

The fetus becomes alive the moment it is conceived. A fetus becomes human the moment it can live independent of its mother.

Humanistme:


Then your comment is useless, spontaneous abortion occur in nature.

intentional abortion is bad but if it happens beyond our control that is totally different

adepeter2027:

But God killing the Egyptian isn't murder àbí

what if i say he doesnt exist?

Deicide:

Who speak on behalf of the sperm and ova during menstruation? wet dream? who speaks for the fetus during a miscarriage?

@OP the woman made the decision to go into unprotected sex with her lover that decision she made she should be able to take responsibility for it so I don't agree that abortion should be done in this case though am not Pro-Life and it also depends on the law of the land.

What I had in mind actually is a case where it happened by accident to perhaps a married couple. I don't in anyway support careless sex and frequent abortions. That won't be good for the woman too.

Daeylar:


I don't know about being moral because bringing a child into this world is very serious so it has to be a decision dependent on the people who will be responsible for the child and not on what others who don't have the responsibility to care for the child think is right or wrong.

I'm for abortion for but then I think, won't the woman just use it as an excuse to keep getting abortions, it's irresponsible for someone to get over 4 abortions when a condom isn't that expensive or you could take birth control pills or something, but then I think again, what is my business?, is it my body? Will I carry the baby or help take care of the baby? Will I take care of the child forever? Isn't it better for a baby to be aborted then to be born to parents who don't want them, the effects of such are seen in the society today.

Then I get confused and ultimately decide to be neutral.

By the way, I'm not interested in the views of the "hyper religious Nigerian society," who are only religious when it benefits them and become bloody hypocrites when it doesn't.

Interesting input. I don't support indiscriminate or frequent abortions either.

petergriffin:
intentional abortion is bad but if it happens beyond our control that is totally different

well that is debatable as evident in this thread.

wolesmile:
Honestly, I am against abortion, especially from the second trimester. We might want to argue for its justification when its a pregnancy of shame, like incest and rape cases. But what if the baby is born before the issue of its paternity comes up, will the baby be to cover the shame? Whoever doesn't want a baby yet should prevent pregnancy through the various birth control measures. Or better still, abstain. Even rape victims should be educated on the need to put aside their shame and get medical help immediately.
However, there are times when a pregnancy may threaten the life of the mother. I'll strongly support abortion in this instance. Better to allow the fetus go than lose both mother and the unborn child.

Thanks for your input.

chemystery:
As an atheist, in as much as I disagree with the theist on the existence of god doesn't mean I disagree with them on anything else.

To me, abortion is morally wrong but morally equating it with murder and thus criminalizing it is where the biggest problem lies.

I'd like to know why you think abortion is morally wrong.

wirinet:


[s]Was it you or your moral or religious organization that ensured that people born without complete body parts led meaningful lives? It was the parents, so the decision to have or not have the baby should rest squarely on those responsible for the survival and upkeep of the baby.[/s]

The fetus becomes alive the moment it is conceived. A fetus becomes human the moment it can live independent of its mother.

Your worldview is speaking and mine is as well. Once a fetus is alive it is human! If a fetus has the same DNA as a full grown human then who can say it is not human? You?

Don't make me laugh please

wirinet:


You guys love to appeal to emotional blackmail to impose your moral sensibilities on others.
Murdering a fetus is an oxymoron, murder refers only to a person, a human being. Cells are not referred to as a person, and definitely a sperm and ovum merging together cannot be said to be a person.

I could not have been aborted because my patents wanted me badly. They went to great lengths with expenses to conceive me. I can say I never lack love.

A woman should never be forced to birth a child she does not want.

Abortion has not reduced the world population, in fact it is increasing in geometric proportions.

You atheists say the dumbest things and still pat yourselves on the back after saying it. Attached is the image of a fetal development and a fetus at 40 weeks. Perhaps you did not know that a fetus is called a fetus for as long as it is in the womb from 12 to 40 weeks it is called a fetus.

Looking at those pictures are they cells?

butterflyl1on:


You atheists say the dumbest things and still pat yourselves on the back after saying it. Attached is the image of a fetal development and a fetus at 40 weeks. Perhaps you did not know that a fetus is called a fetus for as long as it is in the womb.

Looking at those pictures are they cells?

I guess you're missing the message he's tryna pass

No quote me o-o.
But no vex say I quote you

adepeter2027:

I guess you're missing the message he's tryna pass

No quote me o-o.
But no vex say I quote you

He is passing no message. All he says is that the fetus is not human so murder cannot be applied to it when it is aborted. So I had to show him via images what a fetus really looks like because it is obvious that it is his ignorance and shallow sense of reasoning that is talking.

butterflyl1on:


He is passing no message. All he says is that the fetus is not human so murder cannot be applied to it when it is aborted. So I had to show him via images what a fetus really looks like because it is obvious that it is his ignorance and shallow sense of reasoning that is talking.

Na una sabi

BTW, shebi I said you shouldn't quote me.

adepeter2027:

Na una sabi

BTW, shebi I said you shouldn't quote me.

Arewa miss road why should I not quote you? You dey mad?

butterflyl1on:


Arewa miss road why should I not quote you? You dey mad?

Lol

You no serious

adepeter2027:

Lol

You no serious

You and me no serious

butterflyl1on:


You and me no serious

Gbam
You no lie

butterflyl1on:


Your worldview is speaking and mine is as well. Once a fetus is alive it is human! If a fetus has the same DNA as a full grown human then who can say it is not human? You?

Don't make me laugh please

Once a fetus is alive it is human? So it can live on its own, outside my body? Or am 2 people in one body?

If it is human in its own right then let it dwell outside my body in its own right. While it's in my body it's under my jurisdiction and killing it is no, different to cutting off my right hand. What's it to do with you, I laugh?

Thankfully, wiser people have resolved that my above thinking is time limited. What's to stop me aborting just one day before you're due to be born, would be the appropriate retort.