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Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by McSterling(m): 3:38am On Oct 01, 2017 |
I remember reading a debate online between two atheists on the subject of abortion. Richard Carrier argued for abortion while a certain brilliant lady whose name I can't recall argued against. Quite an interesting debate. For me, I think the final choice on abortion lies with the woman whose life is actually on the line. And I do not regard it as murder as many are wont to. Provided the pregnancy is still quite early and the woman doesn't want to bear it to term for obvious good reasons, then it's fine. That's better than bringing a child into the world when one knows one isn't quite ready, no? My views on this are obvious taboo in the hyper religious Nigerian society, and would seem to contradict my stance on humanism. Well, as a humanist, do you think abortion is immoral? 3 Likes |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by felixomor: 4:04am On Oct 01, 2017 |
Abortion is murder. A fetus is just as good as a human being To make matters worse, nobody speaks on behalf of the fetus. Its like sentencing a dumb man to death because he cant talk. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by petergriffin: 4:47am On Oct 01, 2017 |
Abortion is bad and an abuse to nature and God |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Deicide: 5:29am On Oct 01, 2017 |
felixomor:Who speak on behalf of the sperm and ova during menstruation? wet dream? who speaks for the fetus during a miscarriage? @OP the woman made the decision to go into unprotected sex with her lover that decision she made she should be able to take responsibility for it so I don't agree that abortion should be done in this case though am not Pro-Life and it also depends on the law of the land. 6 Likes |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by hopefulLandlord: 5:40am On Oct 01, 2017 |
felixomor:Ah an anti-abortion nut making a silly and highly flawed argument. What else is new? |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Daeylar(f): 5:44am On Oct 01, 2017 |
McSterling: I don't know about being moral because bringing a child into this world is a serious issue so it has to be a decision dependent on the people who will be responsible for the child and not on what others who don't have the responsibility to care for the child think is right or wrong. They don't matter, only the views of the people actually responsible for the care of the child matter I'm for abortion for but then I think, won't the woman just use it as an excuse to keep getting abortions, it's irresponsible for someone to get over 4 abortions when a condom isn't that expensive or you could take birth control pills or something, but then I think again, what is my business?, is it my body? Will I carry the baby? Will i deliver the baby? Will I help take care of the baby? Will I take care of the child forever? Isn't it better for a baby to be aborted then to be born to parents who don't want them, the effects of such are seen in the society today. No baby should be born to parents who don't want he/she. Then I get confused and ultimately decide to be neutral. If you want to keep the child, if you don't want to keep the child, it's up to the parents, let them do what they feel is best By the way, I'm not interested in the views of the "hyper religious Nigerian society," who are only religious when it benefits them and become bloody hypocrites when it doesn't. 7 Likes |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by vaxx: 7:35am On Oct 01, 2017 |
It is subjective..... What type of abortion are you discussing about? There is a delibrate abortion, they are abortion that are terminated for the pupose of shame e.g father and daugher pregnancy.....rape victim, medical conditions and so many more... I willl assume you are talking about deliberate termination.... Killing a human or yet to be a human (fetus) without reason for one or more valid reason is without doubt wrong. And in this case deliberate termination of pregnancy should be totally condemn.. I agree all humans have certain rights, among them being Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness......well, the pregnancy may be yours but your own personal decision isn't enough to justify the wrong act......just like cannabis is a wrong act....though you only affect yourself when you do it..... 3 Likes |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by wirinet(m): 7:35am On Oct 01, 2017 |
felixomor: If abortion is murder, then who speaks for the over 50% of all fetuses that are naturally aborted (miscarried). Who is murdering 50% of all fetuses because they cannot talk? See report;
Many times an egg is fertilized with a sperm to form a zygote, but the zygote is unable to implant itself unto the uterus, it ends up as an aborted pregnancy. Same thing as having an abortion within 4 weeks of pregnancy. 5 Likes |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by felixomor: 8:06am On Oct 01, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:Sharrap. You know nothing 2 Likes |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by felixomor: 8:10am On Oct 01, 2017 |
wirinet: Thank God you said natural Natural death is different from murder. Get it 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by hopefulLandlord: 8:13am On Oct 01, 2017 |
felixomor:oh look! an omniscient being calls me Jon Snow 2 Likes |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by felixomor: 8:22am On Oct 01, 2017 |
Deicide: Baba there is no sperm in menstruation. Besides miscarriage and menstruation are not intentional acts. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Deicide: 8:23am On Oct 01, 2017 |
felixomor:Felixmoron you did not answer the main question but use style to run from it wirinet: |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by felixomor: 8:25am On Oct 01, 2017 |
Deicide:Please switch to your other monikers The foolishness on this one is strong as usual ryt now. 1 Like |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Deicide: 8:26am On Oct 01, 2017 |
felixomor:It seems that English language is a problem for you here lemme highlight it so you can understand but if you still cant then i cannot help you Deicide:Gerrit? @bolded which brings us back to you answering that question Who is responsible? |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Deicide: 8:29am On Oct 01, 2017 |
felixomor:Will switching to my other moniker make you answer the question felixmoron? |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by felixomor: 8:29am On Oct 01, 2017 |
Deicide: So where does sperm come in ? |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by felixomor: 8:30am On Oct 01, 2017 |
Deicide:Ediort, Just Obey |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Deicide: 8:32am On Oct 01, 2017 |
felixomor:Answer the question FELIXMORON |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Deicide: 8:33am On Oct 01, 2017 |
felixomor:You still don't understand do you know what that means? it means i cant help you this one pass my power |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by wolesmile(m): 8:34am On Oct 01, 2017 |
felixomor:Honestly, I am against abortion, especially from the second trimester. We might want to argue for its justification when its a pregnancy of shame, like incest and rape cases. But what if the baby is born before the issue of its paternity comes up, will the baby be to cover the shame? Whoever doesn't want a baby yet should prevent pregnancy through the various birth control measures. Or better still, abstain. Even rape victims should be educated on the need to put aside their shame and get medical help immediately. However, there are times when a pregnancy may threaten the life of the mother. I'll strongly support abortion in this instance. Better to allow the fetus go than lose both mother and the unborn child. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by felixomor: 8:34am On Oct 01, 2017 |
Deicide: You finally copped out. Ediort |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by felixomor: 8:36am On Oct 01, 2017 |
Deicide:Keep quiet dia |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Humanistme: 8:37am On Oct 01, 2017 |
petergriffin: the question is for humanists and freethinkers not religionists. 2 Likes |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Humanistme: 8:38am On Oct 01, 2017 |
Daeylar: hmmm |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by petergriffin: 8:46am On Oct 01, 2017 |
Humanistme:then remove God from my comment 2 Likes |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by butterflyl1on: 8:52am On Oct 01, 2017 |
wirinet: Natural death is not murder. Murder is an intentional act. Any intentional abortion is a no no. Perhaps you would have loved to have been intentionally aborted or murdered as a fetus. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by adepeter2027(m): 8:54am On Oct 01, 2017 |
petergriffin:But God killing the Egyptian isn't murder àbí |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by adepeter2027(m): 9:00am On Oct 01, 2017 |
Butterfly and Felix won't kill me o-o. According to them, the universe is perfectly designed, yet abortion is NATURAL. But when humans deliberately execute the act, it's artificial. (lwkmd4h) cc hopefullandlord, deceide and Co. Una read that nonsense above?....... 4 Likes |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Humanistme: 9:08am On Oct 01, 2017 |
petergriffin: Then your comment is useless, spontaneous abortion occur in nature. |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by Deicide: 9:14am On Oct 01, 2017 |
adepeter2027:Yeah i saw it |
Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by chemystery: 9:18am On Oct 01, 2017 |
As an atheist, in as much as I disagree with the theist on the existence of god doesn't mean I disagree with them on anything else. To me, abortion is morally wrong but morally equating it with murder and thus criminalizing it is where the biggest problem lies. |
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