Tithe is only acceptable as food.if your tithe is too heavy to carry and you leave far from Jerusalem you are allowed to change it into money but once you get to Jerusalem you are not allowed to pay money in temple.you must convert money back to acceptable agricultural produce before paying tithe hence levites/ money changers etc started taking advantage of the situation. Set up a market solely for this inside the temple ( Well that is another topic entirely)
Below are the some bible verses showing tithe is not money.
Tithe Texts Which Reveal Its Limited Contents

Lev. 27:30, 32 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD’s. It is holy to the LORD…. And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passes under the rod, the tenth shall be holy to the LORD.

Num. 18:27 And this your heave offering shall be reckoned to you, as though it were the grain of the threshing-floor, and as the fullness of the wine-press.

Num. 18:28 Thus you also shall offer a heave offering to the LORD of all your tithes, which you receive of the children of Israel; and you shall give thereof the LORD’s heave offering to Aaron the priest.

Deut 12:17 You may not eat within your gates the tithe of your grain, or of your wine, or of your oil

Deut. 14:22 You shall truly tithe all the increase of your seed, that the field brings forth year by year.

Deut. 14:23 And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name, the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the first offspring of your herds and of your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

Deut. 26:12 When you have made an end of tithing all the tithes of your increase [produce: NIV, RSV] the third year, which is the year of tithing, and have given it to the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within your gates, and be filled.

2 Chron. 31:5 And as soon as the commandment was circulated, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of grain, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the fields; and the tithe of all things they brought in abundantly.

2 Chron. 31:6 And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that lived in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated to the LORD their God, and laid them by heaps.[4]

Neh. 10:37 And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, to the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God, and the tithes of our ground to the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.

Neh. 13:5 And he had prepared for him a great chamber, where previously they laid the grain offerings, the frankincense, and the vessels, and the tithes of the grain, the new wine, and the oil, which was commanded to be given to the Levites, and the singers, and the porters, and the ­ offerings of the priests.

Mal. 3:10 Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat [food] in my house.

Matt. 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin….

Jesusgirl92:
Scripture please(that defines tithes as agricultural produce)...

nicemuyoo:

Tithe is only acceptable as food.if your tithe is too heavy to carry and you leave far from Jerusalem you are allowed to change it into money but once you get to Jerusalem you are not allowed to pay money in temple.you must convert money back to acceptable agricultural produce before paying tithe hence levites/ money changers etc started taking advantage of the situation. Set up a market solely for this inside the temple ( Well that is another topic entirely)
Below are the some bible verses showing tithe is not money.
Tithe Texts Which Reveal Its Limited Contents

Lev. 27:30, 32 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD’s. It is holy to the LORD…. And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passes under the rod, the tenth shall be holy to the LORD.

Num. 18:27 And this your heave offering shall be reckoned to you, as though it were the grain of the threshing-floor, and as the fullness of the wine-press.

Num. 18:28 Thus you also shall offer a heave offering to the LORD of all your tithes, which you receive of the children of Israel; and you shall give thereof the LORD’s heave offering to Aaron the priest.

Deut 12:17 You may not eat within your gates the tithe of your grain, or of your wine, or of your oil

Deut. 14:22 You shall truly tithe all the increase of your seed, that the field brings forth year by year.

Deut. 14:23 And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name, the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the first offspring of your herds and of your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

Deut. 26:12 When you have made an end of tithing all the tithes of your increase [produce: NIV, RSV] the third year, which is the year of tithing, and have given it to the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within your gates, and be filled.

2 Chron. 31:5 And as soon as the commandment was circulated, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of grain, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the fields; and the tithe of all things they brought in abundantly.

2 Chron. 31:6 And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that lived in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated to the LORD their God, and laid them by heaps.[4]

Neh. 10:37 And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, to the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God, and the tithes of our ground to the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.

Neh. 13:5 And he had prepared for him a great chamber, where previously they laid the grain offerings, the frankincense, and the vessels, and the tithes of the grain, the new wine, and the oil, which was commanded to be given to the Levites, and the singers, and the porters, and the ­ offerings of the priests.

Mal. 3:10 Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat [food] in my house.

Matt. 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin….

Was that where Matthew 23:23 ended?? You want to make it look like Jesus condemned the pharisees for paying tithe of mint and anise and cumin when that was not the case. Na me u want deceive with half gospel?? Sorry dear... It didn't work. Matthew 23:23 even showed that agricultural produce were not the only things used to pay tithe...

Tithe is agricultural produce. The onlycondition under which tithe is converted into money;
1. When you want to redeem you tithe which means you want to pay cash not your agricultural produce; then you pay a penalty fee which is a percentage of you tithe in addition to monetary value of the tithe. This helps to discourage people given money as tithe. The money in this case is converted back not agricultural produce to distribute among levites/ priest/ orphans/ widows.
2. When the tithe is too heavy and you leave too far from Jerusalem then you can convert tithe to money for easy transportation but not allowed to present it at the temple .It has to be converted back into agricultural produce (tithe) before it is presented as tithe in the temple.
Money is not acceptable.

I have done this research over years. So when I make conclusive statements the bible would only confirm it. I don't talk school of theology , i only talk scriptures and historical facts.

petra1:




Nice question. Besides God gave room for money to be given in place of unacceptable things . Also people still have option for cash

There is no deceiving here you can easily look up that fact on your phone in split seconds. Only quoted to show you that tithe is not MONEY.
when the messiah was alive he walk this earth under the law of Moses. The law was in full effect so when He heals a leper he commands him to go and show himself to the priest and carry out cleansing rituals accordi g to the law the ritual involves the use of two birds; hyssop, cedar wood etc.
The question is why would the messiah ask him to go and do rituals?? Because the law has to be fufiled. After His death, did His disciples ask anyone to do rituals again? Well as I said we a not talking school of theology here we are talking pure scriptural truth

Jesusgirl92:
Was that where Matthew 23:23 ended?? You want to make it look like Jesus condemned the pharisees for paying tithe of mint and anise and cumin when that was not the case. Na me u want deceive with half gospel?? Sorry dear... It didn't work. Matthew 23:23 even showed that agricultural produce were not the only things used to pay tithe...

petra1:




Nice question. Besides God gave room for money to be given in place of unacceptable things . Also people still have option for cash

Most of them are confused. Their problem is they think that when they give their money it it to pastors they give. Some would prefer to give crops so that the pastor won't have use for it. Some say Tithe is suppose to be shared amongst church members. Everybody is now a pastor.

Jesusgirl92:
Was that where Matthew 23:23 ended?? You want to make it look like Jesus condemned the pharisees for paying tithe of mint and anise and cumin when that was not the case. Na me u want deceive with half gospel?? Sorry dear... It didn't work. Matthew 23:23 even showed that agricultural produce were not the only things used to pay tithe...

Don't mind these people.

nicemuyoo:
There is no deceiving here you can easily look up that fact on your phone in split seconds. Only quoted to show you that tithe is not MONEY.
when the messiah was alive he walk this earth under the law of Moses. The law was in full effect so when He heals a leper he commands him to go and show himself to the priest and carry out cleansing rituals accordi g to the law the ritual involves the use of two birds; hyssop, cedar wood etc.
The question is why would the messiah ask him to go and do rituals?? Because the law has to be fufiled. After His death, did His disciples ask anyone to do rituals again? Well as I said we a not talking school of theology here we are talking pure scriptural truth

Matthew 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. Mint means coins of gold and silver (money used as at then)... Hope you know.

Jesusgirl92:
At first, their argument was "tithing is wrong" "show us in the scriptures where we are instructed to pay tithe".... Now OkaiCorne has changed his argument to " show me in the Scriptures where paying tithe is more important than sacrificial giving " I laugh in the HolyGhost.... Hahahahahahahahaha

My dear, they keep shifting the goal post. From no Paying Tithe at all, to Giving to the less privileged to giving crops.

Mints are a family of crop my dear speaking, peppermint etc.so mints are money he made a list of cash crops lol mostly favouring crops

Jesusgirl92:
Matthew 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. Mint means coins of gold and silver (money used as at then)... Hope you know.

Jesusgirl92:
And you were talking about condom uncle... Uncle sacrificial giving.... "Saving condom money" to help the poor... Lol... See argument... Well done sir. Clap for yourself.

Oh, i missed his condom post. How did Condom come in here biko?

Mints are a family of crop my dear spearmint, peppermint etc.so mints are not money he made a list of cash crops lol mostly flavouring crops. You see scriptures speaks for itself. As I said I don't talk theological garbage I talk pure scriptures[/quote]

nicemuyoo:
Mints are a family of crop my dear speaking, peppermint etc.so mints are money he made a list of cash crops lol mostly favouring crops

nicemuyoo:
From the defination of tithe of you read your bible very well tithe are agricultural produce specifically from land of Isreal. They are not wages as in money paid workers. Even the scribes and Pharisees only tithe agricultural produce. Fish produce is not acceptable as tithe.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matthew:23:23
If it is from my wages i pay Tithe from, what then i will use in Tithing?

nicemuyoo:
Mints are a family of crop my dear spearmint, peppermint etc.so mints are not money he made a list of cash crops lol mostly flavouring crops. You see scriptures speaks for itself. As I said I don't talk theological garbage I talk pure scripturesMints are a family of crop my dear speaking, peppermint etc.so mints are money he made a list of cash crops lol mostly favouring crops

So if I don't farm, I shouldn't pay tithe.... Tithings are for farmers alone

analize701:

Oh, i missed his condom post. How did Condom come in here biko?

lol.... Nne u missed the gist o.

Jesusgirl92:
So if I don't farm, I shouldn't pay tithe....
Tithings are for farmers alone

Another pit stop, almost indoors, just parking car downstairs.

You're learning pretty fast my sister
Yup, if you are an OT farmer and all, you give tithes
but if you are an artisan, you don't pay tithe.
Do you know the reason why?
If you are an OT artisan, do you know why you aren't required to give or pay tithe?

Jesusgirl92:
lol.... Nne u missed the gist o.

hahahahahahahahaha. How did condom find it's way into Tithe paying?

analize701:

hahahahahahahahaha. How did condom find it's way into Tithe paying?

Forget the condom incidental distractions jaare
Let's stay focus, this thread is serious, and potentially a life changing one because when you know the truth, you'll begin operating in top flight defying gravity using a superior and better principle

MuttleyLaff:
Another pit stop, almost indoors, just parking car downstairs.

You're learning pretty fast my sister
Yup, if you are an OT farmer and all, you give tithes
but if you are an artisan, you don't pay tithe.
Do you know the reason why?
If you are an OT artisan, do you know why you aren't required to give or pay tithe?

My dear, your answer still doesn't make sense as far as the scriptures is concerned. Why didn't Jesus condemn tithe in matt 23:23... And which scriptures defines tithe as agricultural produce??

Well the fact is only levite bloodlines can collect tithe under the old covenant law.
A tithe is must be from an agrcultural increase from the land of Isreal. Not any other land boundary.
Wages are paid as money so are non titheable item, but feel free to help by donating to the needy or any other organisation providing for peoples directly. This should be done quietly with the right motive not in public show as instructed by the MASTER and you would receive your reward in full.
You can

analize701:

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matthew:23:23
If it is from my wages i pay Tithe from, what then i will use in Tithing?

Yes as defined by scriptures not theology . They are two different things. And the tithe is not valid today anymore.

Jesusgirl92:
So if I don't farm, I shouldn't pay tithe.... Tithings are for farmers alone

Jesusgirl92:
My dear, your answer still doesn't make sense as far as the scriptures is concerned.
Why didn't Jesus condemn tithe in Matt 23:23...

It will be premature for Jesus to condemn tithing in Matthew 23:23 and before the victory at Calvary

Didn't you know, it will be wrong and out of order, for Jesus to condemn the Levitical tithing whilst the temple still stands and exist

Though Jesus, then was living under the jurisdiction of the law
it an eye-opener that Jesus, in Matt 23:23, was teachig new facts about tithe,
in that tithe, isnt even part of any of the weightier matters of the law

Trust me sister, if Jesus, for a casual visit, was to come back to earth here, now, momentarily, just for second, He will condem the tithing you practice.

He will frown at ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income

He will ask:
Do you know what the gospel means and is?
Gospel means good news
and it typifies FREEDOM, from any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

Jesusgirl92:
And which scriptures defines tithe as agricultural produce??

I earlier said:
"if you are an artisan, you don't pay tithe".
then asked you:
"Do you know the reason why?"

I then qualified my question, when further I asked:
"If you are an OT artisan, do you know why you aren't required to give or pay tithe?"

If you had responded to any of them, you won't be asking this your question

No offense sister,
but it does sound like a rookie question.

MuttleyLaff:
Forget the condom incidental distractions jaare
Let's stay focus, this thread is serious, and potentially a life changing one because when you know the truth, you'll begin operating in top flight defying gravity using a superior and better principle

I know right? It's been a busy day for you. Welcome

analize701:
I know right? It's been a busy day for you. Welcome

I am still sitting in the car, making these one or two snap responses.
Have to, as dont want the posts getting buried under other posters' submissions before I post my responses to them

Leave banter and distractions, out of this thread for now.
I'll soon step out of the car, go upstairs,
and catch up on the last few pages.
I read whilst out and about, some many faux pas posted by you, petra1 and one or two others, that rendered me face-palming and SMH

Jesusgirl92:
At first, their argument was "tithing is wrong" "show us in the scriptures where we are instructed to pay tithe".... Now OkaiCorne has changed his argument to " show me in the Scriptures where paying tithe is more important than sacrificial giving " I laugh in the HolyGhost.... Hahahahahahahahaha

If you can interpret my assumption on you being married as fornication...well, I guess you can as well misinterpret any other thing I say. Now let's go back to the basics;

1) The tithing format done in the Church today is not consistent with the requirements clearly laid out by God in the LAW. Tithe is designed to be paid on agro-produce and livestock...not gold and silver. As a result, the Church is not adhering to the requirements as laid out in the bible.

2) When Jesus was addressing the Pharisees, kindly bear in mind that the Law was not fulfilled by Jesus at that point in time. Even animal sacrifices were still going on. So if you are using the discussion Jesus had with the Pharisees in Matthew 23 as your basis, you might as well indulge yourself in animal sacrifices to "obey all".

3) The basic requirements of the new covenant is to Love God, and Love man (your neighbor as yourself). The basis of judgment separation of goats from sheep) as per the new covenant is sacrificial giving as clearly spelt out in Matthew 25 v 31-40. I did not see tithing anywhere as a basis of judgment...unless your bible version can prove me wrong on that.

4) Tithing especially when done in the prescribed format in the Bible, it's an eternal TRUTH that would work forever BUT...I'd rather settle for the blessings of the new covenant which clearly states sacrificial giving to the less privileged as the standard. If you place good and best side by side...I'd rather settle for best.

Cheers

analize701:

Very correct my brother. You'll be surprised how many people will join Daddy Freeze Church when he opens one very soon.

To an ignorant unlooker, Freeze is working for God. lol. An agent of satan doing his master's work.

Time shall tell.

Even the Bible put in 2 Cor 11:14 saying "
But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light". So don't be surprised by freeze antics and craftiness. I only pity many Christians that will follow him and end in the pit,by then when they realize,it will be too late.The only opportunity many of them have is on this planet to change else they end in the lake of fire

analize701:

Oh, i missed his condom post. How did Condom come in here biko?

Lool...Jesusgirl92 and Petra1 were asking why I can't sacrifice my rent money to help a widow or orphan. And I said it's foolishness because I can only love my neighbor as myself.

Unless the Holy Spirit (who is my most reliable line of defence) tells me expressly to do so...I can not do that.

I threw that logic back at her by saying that assuming she was married, would she sacrifice to the poor by saving up money she would have spent on condoms to help them?

Love your neighbor as your self....not more than yourself...

Cheers.

asuustrike2009:

Even the Bible put in 2 Cor 11:14 saying "
But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light". So don't be surprised by freeze antics and craftiness. I only pity many Christians that will follow him and end in the pit,by then when they realize,it will be too late.The only opportunity many of them have is on this planet to change else they end in the lake of fire

I guess Martin Luther was told the same thing by his fellow Catholic priests and monks before breaking out of the Catholic church. Be optimistic...there's light at the end of the tunnel. But on a more serious note, who would you expect to hear this message from...tithe beneficiaries ?

The good thing about this tithing brouhaha is;

1) Everyone is reading their bibles more than ever...and tithe asides, I believe they would see the reality in the word of God now more than ever.

2) The church has come to a point where God wants to prove to Humanity that He does not need money to keep the church up and running. After all, God didn't use money (especially "tithe" money) to create the Heavens and the Earth. Lesser focus on money...more focus on the divine provisions from the throne of Jehovah Jireh.
Mammon must be dethroned for God to take his rightful place in the hearts of men.

That's my optimism about the whole thing.

If Daddy Freeze has an ax to grind with Pastors and he's hiding under this anti-tithe agenda to do so...I leave him to God (who knows Freeze's heart) to judge.

Cheers

asuustrike2009:

Even the Bible put in 2 Cor 11:14 saying "
But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light". So don't be surprised by freeze antics and craftiness. I only pity many Christians that will follow him and end in the pit,by then when they realize,it will be too late.The only opportunity many of them have is on this planet to change else they end in the lake of fire

God gave us Jesus, His Word and the Holy Spirit. No one shall have any excuse.

OkaiCorne:


I guess Martin Luther was told the same thing by his fellow Catholic priests and monks before breaking out of the Catholic church. Be optimistic...there's light at the end of the tunnel. But on a more serious note, who would you expect to hear this message from...tithe beneficiaries ?

The good thing about this tithing brouhaha is;

1) Everyone is reading their bibles more than ever...and tithe asides, I believe they would see the reality in the word of God now more than ever.

2) The church has come to a point where God wants to prove to Humanity that He does not need money to keep the church up and running. Lesser focus on money...more focus on the divine provisions from the throne of Jehovah Jireh. Mammon must be dethroned for God to take his rightful place in the hearts of men.

That's my optimism about the whole thing.

If Daddy Freeze has an ax to grind with Pastors and he's hiding under this anti-tithe agenda to do so...I leave him to God (who knows Freeze's heart) to judge.

Cheers

Daddy freeze is a rebel and not inspired by the holy spirit. We don't need his kind in our time because the Bible is enough. If anyone doesn't understand it,he should ask for wisdom and understanding from the holy spirit. The scriptures are there for reproof, correction and guidance. There is no where were it stated expressly that tithes shouldn't be paid like what the rebels are trying to do.If a person isn't comfortable with the way things are going on in the church, he or she should kindly leave.he shouldn't drag others or convince or lure others to belief him or her like what Lucifer did in heaven.inspire of Martin Luther's campaign the Catholic church has remained focus and firm

analize701:

God gave us Jesus, His Word and the Holy Spirit. No one shall have any excuse.

That's why we are here to refute claims from many rebels. Many persons are not studying the Bible that's why they can be easily cajoled

asuustrike2009:

Daddy freeze is a rebel and not inspired by the holy spirit. We don't need his kind in our time because the Bible is enough. If anyone doesn't understand it,he should ask for wisdom and understanding from the holy spirit. The scriptures are there for reproof, correction and guidance. There is no where were it stated expressly that tithes shouldn't be paid like what the rebels are trying to do.If a person isn't comfortable with the way things are going on in the church, he or she should kindly leave.he shouldn't drag others or convince or lure others to belief him or her like what Lucifer did in heaven

My brother...even Martin Luther was a worse rebel than Freeze, and countless generations after him are better for it. Imagine paying money (penance) for the forgiveness of your sins...

Just keep calm, after this storm...the TRUTH will surely prevail. Don't be worried over this matter.

It's because money is involved, that is why tithers and anti-tithers are passionate about this issue. But the message I've gotten from all of these is...THE GOD I SERVE IS NOT BROKE, NEITHER IS HE LIMITED TO MONEY.

I want God to move in such a way that those who do not donate to the church (even in offerings and donations) would be put to shame...

OkaiCorne:


Lool...Jesusgirl92 and Petra1 were asking why I can't sacrifice my rent money to help a widow or orphan. And I said it's foolishness because I can only love my neighbor as myself.

Unless the Holy Spirit (who is my most reliable line of defence) tells me expressly to do so...I can not do that.

I threw that logic back at her by saying that assuming she was married, would she sacrifice to the poor by saving up money she would have spent on condoms to help them?

Love your neighbor as your self....not more than yourself...

Cheers.

That is some logic there. Why will she as a married woman use condoms?