Emmanystone:

Abeg no vex. I shd ve apologized last night as i responded to this post. I didn't say you lied or that you are a liar, i just needed to know how you got to know that Obatala or Ogun are not gods. The only way you can say that if you had defied them and worked away.

I called those monikers because they are Yoruba so knows those deities and someone like Babalawos worships them. The intent is, if you are not accurate in your presentations, they'd know.

I didn't mean to sound insulting. I'm sorry Buda.

My people in Orolu would not do anything to harm their child even if that child sticks two fingers up at their gods. Though, they brought their child up to be sufficiently respectful to others, or they might have bashed the bastards head in at birth - we do take regard for others seriously where I come from, and not believing in what others believe in does not give one reason to be disrespectful to them, is my point here.

Do read my post to awesomeJ, and remember that woman in church? Just as much as awesomeJ does not need to prove anything to me about his guy in New York, so too do I not have to prove to you that gods are not real. Unless I am asking you to be like I am. And I am not asking you to be like me.

Read Bel and the Dragon. While Daniel's God is not given twelve bushels of choice flour and forty sheep and six measures of wine, some give their gods a tenth of their earnings, and it still ends up where Bel's ends up. You wouldn't find this story in mosts Bible though, least they read it and business spoils.

Ogun and Obatala are gods. Owala is actually a river, but we believe it has a spirit, and that spirit is a god, and my people worship them. They are just not real (as gods, that is), like all gods aren't. For all gods are idols made with human minds.

budaatum:
Though, in all honesty, I posed it first.

The thing is, your belief in the guy you write to in New York is pertinent to you,
and would only become a question for me if I consider writing to him.
Otherwise there is absolutely no consequence whether I believe you or not.
And its the same with Gods.
If I know my god exist, why do I have to prove it to anyone?
If you don't accept that I get what I get from my god in New York, that's your problem
and I don't have to prove it to you!

budaatum:
My people in Orolu would not do anything to harm their child even if that child sticks two fingers up at their gods. Though, they brought their child up to be sufficiently respectful to others, or they might have bashed the bastards head in at birth - we do take regard for others seriously where I come from, and not believing in what others believe in does not give one reason to be disrespectful to them, is my point here.

Do read my post to awesomeJ, and remember that woman in church?
Just as much as awesomeJ does not need to prove anything to me about his guy in New York, so too do I not have to prove to you that gods are not real.
Unless I am asking you to be like I am. And I am not asking you to be like me.

Read Bel and the Dragon. While Daniel's God is not given twelve bushels of choice flour and forty sheep and six measures of wine, some give their gods a tenth of their earnings, and it still ends up where Bel's ends up. You wouldn't find this story in mosts Bible though, least they read it and business spoils.

Ogun and Obatala are gods. Owala is actually a river, but we believe it has a spirit, and that spirit is a god, and my people worship them. They are just not real (as gods, that is), like all gods aren't.
For all gods are idols made with human minds

It is accepted and known that gods exist, so no one is asked to prove whether or not their god exists
In view of accepted fact, that, god(s) exist, so, does exist, God.
Whatever you got, whether from the New York god or not, what was gotten, is from being allowed by God
God determines where, what or who the buck, stops with

MuttleyLaff:


It is accepted and known that gods exist, so no one is asked to prove whether or not their god exists
In view of accepted fact, that, god(s) exist, so, does exist, God.
Whatever you got, whether from the New York god or not, what was gotten, is from being allowed by God
God determines where, what or who the buck, stops with

Damn right!

awesomeJ:

You seem to be forgetting your own line of argument, so I'll remind you.
"Dangote does not need to show a truck load of cash to prove he's rich, cos his investments are obvious"
The equivalent of that is our position that
"God does not need to appear in the sky to prove he's real cos his works are obvious"

Then you raised the point about Dangote's signature being conspicuous on all his investments.
I then gave you an instance wherein someone may choose not to put his signature conspicuously on his investment.

So when you come now with the argument that the person's name is registered legally, you are forgetting where you started the argument from. You said because his investments are obvious. So the legal documents that establish an ownership, are they displayed on billboards? Have you seen any certificate of ownership for any of Dangote's businesses?

So, the talk on registration doesn't tally with your argument of "because his investments are obvious".

You're the one going strawman.

You're finding it hard to answer my question, you were the one that brought up Dangote and Zenith bank not me, I only respond to your post accordingly. So kindly stop the strawman.

Again, it's obvious Dangote is rich, his investments are tagged with his registered company name "Dangote Group", that is his trademark, Dangote doesn't need to show us truck of his money, like I said this is 21 century, the net worth of his wealth is online, Zenith Bank is also a registered company name with his trademark, no other person can claim ownership, these are prove of their ownership! You're yet to show Yahweh's prove, any God can claim ownership of this universe and they can be refuted.

So again, my question is, Yahweh or other Gods should appear in the sky to prove they are real, using Dangote or Zenith bank is absurd.

budaatum:

My people in Orolu would not do anything to harm their child even if that child sticks two fingers up at their gods. Though, they brought their child up to be sufficiently respectful to others, or they might have bashed the bastards head in at birth - we do take regard for others seriously where I come from, and not believing in what others believe in does not give one reason to be disrespectful to them, is my point here.

Do read my post to awesomeJ, and remember that woman in church? Just as much as awesomeJ does not need to prove anything to me about his guy in New York, so too do I not have to prove to you that gods are not real. Unless I am asking you to be like I am. And I am not asking you to be like me.

Read Bel and the Dragon. While Daniel's God is not given twelve bushels of choice flour and forty sheep and six measures of wine, some give their gods a tenth of their earnings, and it still ends up where Bel's ends up. You wouldn't find this story in mosts Bible though, least they read it and business spoils.

Ogun and Obatala are gods. Owala is actually a river, but we believe it has a spirit, and that spirit is a god, and my people worship them. They are just not real (as gods, that is), like all gods aren't. For all gods are idols made with human minds.

You made a claim, and i asked, on what are you stand to justify your claims?

If i say Gamalin20 is not poisonous to health, hence; won't kill who drinks it, it most follow that i have drank it, not just claim that i have drank it when no one had seen me drink it. I must drink it in the presence of the people i'm making the claims to, so that they too can drink it. because of course that is why you are making the claims.

My position is, you can not do as your Orolu people demands (that is, obey their laws) yet say Obatala and Ogun are the figment of their imaginations.

The only way your claims can be verified is when you defy Obatala and Ogun by going against them, if you walk away unscared, then your claims will be valid.

So, again i ask you, How do you know Obatala and Ogun are not gods (Meaning, impotent)?

Let's look at it from another perspective. I am not from Orolu so doesn't know Obatala and Ogun. I wasn't raised there, so does not know the dos and don'ts of Obatala. But, i met and married you, so by extention, i become a native of Orolu.

If one of Obatala's laws is against infedelity, and the consequence of a defaulter is instant death or every Child i'd ve will die. And, as a wife to an Orolu's son, i obey and remain faithful to you, can i stand and claim that Obatala is just a figment of Orolu's people's imaginations?

Won't it make sense for me to defy Obatala by commiting adultery against you to find out if Obatala is indeed non existent, because no dead came to me or none of my kids died?

Buda, what did you do to try the potency of Obatala?

At times the simplest explanation is the right one. Over time man has always had the problem of having loads of unanswered questions. Like kids at a science fair we struggle to gleam bits and pieces of the universe we exist in. Science is the tool we have to try to understand the world we live in, it does not claim to know everything time but asserts to "know " something until the knowledge is refuted or improved on. If the is a creator or "God" science everyday gives a better understanding of the world he created. Most religions on the other hand make an incredible leap of faith saying that they know the exact nature of this "God"! This even though it has been shown several times that a so called believer can be completely wrong about a topic simply due to lack of knowledge e. g. the flatness of the earth. Its a serious lack of humility to assume we somehow already have all the answers. When people talk of "God" which one do they mean. There are loads of religion each with a different concept of God, every sect can claim theirs is the right one. I wonder who is then right. The simpler explanation is that different people of different tribes, culture, habitat have come up with their own concepts of God and religion has been more of a tool for social mores than anything. Perhaps it is time to get rid of this easily exploitable tool and focus on morals and principles instead. Lastly using your subjective experience to declare the existence of your own particular God is disingenuous. For every 1000 answered prayers there are another 1000 unanswered ones. Also people get "answered " prayers praying to different concepts of God. The fear of eternal damnation shouldn't be the impetuous for good behavior in humans. I believe the will to be good exists in us all. Just my two cents.

Seun:

My evidence against the existence of God is that despite numerous efforts by religious people to prove his existence, they've failed. If God existed, proving his existence wouldn't be so difficult unless he was deliberately hiding from us. If he's hiding, shouldn't we stop bothering him?

Permit me to ask this questions;
What did you mean by the bolded words above?
Is it until you see God just like in person before you can believe in his existence?

psalmiel:
Is it until you see God just like in person before you can believe in his existence?

If God wants to have a close relationship with us, it makes sense for him to start by doing things that undeniably demonstrate his existence. Would you marry someone who refused to meet you in person, talk to you directly on the phone, or even send pictures of him/herself?

Emmanystone:


Now we can see microorganisms but still not with this eyes. You could have died disbelieving their existence without a microspcope. But, they were there.

I love this part of your point.

But we can observe the growth these microbes with our bare unaided eyes on various media.
Morphologies of these microbes can be describe.
Features of these microbes can be described.

Place à microscope on the table, call a Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Buddhist, Hindu etc to view, they all would agree on what they see through the microscope.

What about god? For years, there haven't been comprehensive explanation for a god. Even among the so called god believers, many disagree on the notion of a god.
You people claim god is spirit. You claim god can be accessed in the spiritual realm. You claim you encounter god but when prompted with questions, you all crawl back to your shell.

What actually buggles my mind is, whether you guys don't realise how ridiculous your demands to see God are. God is a Spirit and we can't see excpet with this eyes and this eyes don't see spirits.

Can you pls use that same spiritual eyes to explain God? How he looks like? His complexion? His accent? Etc

awesomeJ:

Maybe it does, but that's not the problem with atheists. Their position is that nothing supernatural exists. This based on people's vast experience is utterly wrong.

The issue of which God is true is beyond the scope of this thread isn't it?

There is nothing supernatural, just that the naturals are not yet understood

Gggg102:
in some old threads, I've seen atheist argue that atheism is the lack of belief in god.

they claim that they are atheists not because they 'believe there is no god' but because they 'do not believe there is god'

if it is so, this means they allow a possibility of the existence of god, and hence cannot assert that there is no god.

for example, John tells Bayo that David won a million Naira.

if Bayo states that this never happened, he is being affirmative and he is so sure that it never happened.

if Bayo states that he does not believe it happened, he is allowing a possibility of the event happening because a fact remains a fact regardless of belief (or unbelief). Bayo by virtue of his unbelief agrees that it is possible, but he does not think it happened.

if John repeated this claim to Seun, Bayo cannot say authoritatively that 'this is not true' but can only express his doubt.

for Bayo to state that John's statement is untrue, he has to have be present when the event was said to happen. but he only received information from John and can only disbelieve, allowing a possibility of the statement being true.

therefore atheist by their definition agree that god possibly exists, but only doubt because they have not been able to experience him.
they can't assert that there is no god.



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dalaman
johnnydon22
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Check for the meaning of agnostic, I think you'd find your answer there

budaatum:


Though, in all honesty, I posed it first.

The thing is, your belief in the guy you write to in New York is pertinent to you, and would only become a question for me if I consider writing to him. Otherwise there is absolutely no consequence whether I believe you or not. And its the same with Gods. If I know my god exist, why do I have to prove it to anyone? If you don't accept that I get what I get from my god in New York, that's your problem and I don't have to prove it to you!

Sure.

I would only need to prove the existence of my God to you, if out of your ignorance, you chose to emphatically say it to my face that he doesn't exist.

tintingz:
You're the one going strawman.

You're finding it hard to answer my question, you were the one that brought up Dangote and Zenith bank not me, I only respond to your post accordingly. So kindly stop the strawman.

Again, it's obvious Dangote is rich, his investments are tagged with his registered company name "Dangote Group", that is his trademark, Dangote doesn't need to show us truck of his money, like I said this is 21 century, the net worth of his wealth is online, Zenith Bank is also a registered company name with his trademark, no other person can claim ownership, these are prove of their ownership! You're yet to show Yahweh's prove, any God can claim ownership of this universe and they can be refuted.

So again, my question is, Yahweh or other Gods should appear in the sky to prove they are real, using Dangote or Zenith bank is absurd.

How far with you now?
Can't you see the obvious fault in your argument?
You insist that Dangote doesn't have to show a truck load of money, as there are other ways to verify his networth.
And I told you, God doesn't have to appear in the sky as there are other ways to verify his existence, vis his countless conspicuous works.

You insisting that it has to be a sky appearance for God is exactly the same as a folk saying it has to be a truck load of cash for Dangote.

isn't this straightforward enough.
Please take time to read this post slowly, and make sure it's well understood before you respond. Thank you.

Your question is like asking me to test the potency of Yahweh. Except since it is a non-existing entity, it has no potency so there is nothing to test really.

Emmanystone:


Let's look at it from another perspective. I am not from Orolu so doesn't know Obatala and Ogun. I wasn't raised there, so does not know the dos and don'ts of Obatala. But, i met and married you, so by extention, i become a native of Orolu.

If one of Obatala's laws is against infedelity, and the consequence of a defaulter is instant death or every Child i'd ve will die. And, as a wife to an Orolu's son, i obey and remain faithful to you, can i stand and claim that Obatala is just a figment of Orolu's people's imaginations?

Won't it make sense for me to defy Obatala by commiting adultery against you to find out if Obatala is indeed non existent, because no dead came to me or none of my kids died?

Buda, what did you do to try the potency of Obatala?

The people of Orolu do not make such claims anymore because they only worked as a deterrent in the days when they were used. Nowadays, people defy the ancient taboos and nothing happens to them. So we have abandoned our taboos. Thanks to education, mainly.

awesomeJ:

Sure.

I would only need to prove the existence of my God to you, if out of your ignorance, you chose to emphatically say it to my face that he doesn't exist.

Yes, I agree, so long as your religion remains in your private sphere.

However, if the claim is that even things we do not get - you by writing letters to your guy in New York, and I by my means, i.e. the earth we live on, oxygen we breath - is claimed to be given to us by God (see quote below). Since I am a recipient of these things, do you see why I get to argue the point in your face?

MuttleyLaff:

Whatever you got, whether from the New York god or not, what was gotten, is from being allowed by God
God determines where, what or who the buck, stops with

dalaman:

How does he do as he pleases? Give a specific example.

if he wants, he can interfere with affairs of the universe. if he wants, he can ignore it.

if he wants, he can be good. if he wants, he can be evil.

dalaman:

How does he do as he pleases? Give a specific example.

if he wants, he can interfere with affairs of the universe. if he wants, he can ignore it.

if he wants, he can be good. if he wants, he can be evil.

Tasma:

Lastly using your subjective experience to declare the existence of your own particular God is disingenuous. For every 1000 answered prayers there are another 1000 unanswered ones. Also people get "answered " prayers praying to different concepts of God.

Just my two cents.

You may just keep those cents bro.

Now about answered and unanswered prayers.

The fact is even if it's only one prayer that gets answered, it is enough to establish that a God exists who answers prayers. If a million other prayers don't get answered, it still doesn't change the fact.

Take an instance,
Somebody says "road crashes kill people"

If for every 100 people that die by road crashes. a thousand others don't, doesn't change the validity of the statement?

And about having several gods, and knowing which one is right, that's not the issue I have with atheists. The issue I have with them is that they emphatically claim out of their ignorance, that God, and by extension, the supernatural, doesn't exist.

So, it only makes sense to try enlightening them.

Seun:

If God wants to have a close relationship with us, it makes sense for him to start by doing things that undeniably demonstrate his existence.

And He's been doing that for ages.
It's just you who have chosen not to pay attention. His undeniable works are obviously conspicuous. if you want I could mention some out of the endless list.

You insist that the only proof that'll convince you is for Him to appear in the sky. Now since he won't do that, why not see if there are other things that'll cut it for you.

adepeter2027:

There is nothing supernatural, just that the naturals are not yet understood

Somebody is at the point of death, given up for dead, and just by praying he got restored to a whole body in an instant. There There's nothing supernatural in that?
Would it be foolish of me if I said to my friend concerning a computer game he shows me that "I just don't understand the details yet, but there's nothing like codes behind the working of this game"

Is it not an established fact that nothing happens without a cause? And when the causes of something defy natural orders, would you not be foolish to say that cause isn't beyond natural?

adepeter2027:

I love this part of your point.

But we can observe the growth these microbes with our bare unaided eyes on various media.
Morphologies of these microbes can be describe.
Features of these microbes can be described.

And the equivalent of this argument is:
But we see the undeniable works of God in different beings. And the attributes of God can be described.

adepeter2027:

I love this part of your point.

But we can observe the growth these microbes with our bare unaided eyes on various media.
Morphologies of these microbes can be describe.
Features of these microbes can be described.

And the equivalent of this argument is:
But we see the undeniable works of God in different beings. And the attributes of God can be described.

budaatum:

Yes, I agree, so long as your religion remains in your private sphere.

However, if the claim is that even things we do not get - you by writing letters to your guy in New York, and I by my means, i.e. the earth we live on, oxygen we breath - is claimed to be given to us by God (see quote below). Since I am a recipient of these things, do you see why I get to argue the point in your face?

It still doesn't follow.
The only claims you can make are:
-He's not the one who gives you oxygen.
-He's not the one who created the oxygen in your own atmosphere.
No problem with the above claims.

But you still couldn't possibly tell it to my face that my New York guy doesn't exist, because I have countless experience with Him that prove that He does.

awesomeJ:


How far with you now?
Can't you see the obvious fault in your argument?
You insist that Dangote doesn't have to show a truck load of money, as there are other ways to verify his networth.
And I told you, God doesn't have to appear in the sky as there are other ways to verify his existence, vis his countless conspicuous works.

You insisting that it has to be a sky appearance for God is to exactly the same as a folk saying it has to be a truck load of cash for Dangote.

isn't this straightforward enough.
Please take time to read this post slowly, and make sure it's well understood before you respond. Thank you.

And what makes you think Dangote can't load a truck with money to show he's wealthy? Of course he can but you didn't even consider the security part, he has donated to charitable organizations, inolve in community developments, there are evidence he did all these, I still don't get your point.

Everyone can verify Dangote's net worth, we know he owns the investments, we know Dangote is f****** real, no one can claim his properties.

Please evidence your God is real first and evidence he created the universe and not the other Gods.

awesomeJ:

It still doesn't follow.
The only claims you can make are:
-He's not the one who gives you oxygen.
-He's not the one who created the oxygen in your own atmosphere.
No problem with the above claims.

But you still couldn't possibly tell it to my face that my New York guy doesn't exist, because I have countless experience with Him that prove that He does.

But since there is no specific separate oxygen of ones own atmosphere, there is no way we would not be trespassing on each others atmosphere, since we would be breathing the same oxygen. So there exists conditions where I may want to say "No guy in New York" it to your face, and the word, "ignorance" in your previous may appropriately apply, though not necessarily.

There has been numerous things that people believed in the past but do not believe in anymore. One lesson learnt from that attitude is that one should check extensively, and not just accept the first, easiest, even rational, conclusion. The advancement of science now asks that we go even further and test our conclusions.

Now, imagine I want to perform a test about your guy in New York, so I write a letter and get what I ask for. It still does not prove that there is a guy in New York who sent it to me. It just proves that if I write a letter I'd get what I ask for. But since I got those things without writing letters, it begs the question, 'why bother writing the letter?' As far as I am concerned, I would still get what I asked for if I didn't write any letter, or wrote to a lady in Timbuktu, since I got what I asked for without writing any letter to anyone at all in the first place.

In order to validate that there is a guy in New York who you write to and get what you want, much further studies may need to be done. However, I may chose to just believe, as in, accept it without question, for my own reasons. But I would need to be careful if I wished to claim knowledge about your guy in New York, since all I know is that you write a letter addressed to a guy in New York and you get what you ask for, you lucky dude!

awesomeJ:

Somebody is at the point of death, given up for dead, and just by praying he got restored to a whole body in an instant. There There's nothing supernatural in that?

You ain't a making any point.

What about irreligious people who were are the point of death, yet weren't prayed for and got resuscitate instantly?

Lemme play your card at you.
And somebody also was at the point of death, was prayed for and died instantly. What do you call that?
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Would it be foolish of me if I said to my friend concerning a computer game he shows me that "I just don't understand the details yet, but there's nothing like codes behind the working of this game"
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Oh my god.

Jesus wept.

Are you alright?

I doubt you aren't.

Now hear yourself out. Re-read your analogy.
1. A friend showed you a computer game.
2. Then you replied you don't understand the details yet.
3. Suddenly, you begin to equate codes to supernatural stuffs.

Is code writing a supernatural concept? Is it even natural? Code writing, were invented and developed by man.

Lemme help you explain what I meant by saying "THERE IS NOTHING SUPERNATURAL, JUST THAT THE NATURALS ARE NOT YET UNDERSTOOD".
1. First, the history was malaria infection was thought to be a supernatural affliction by the gods. Over time, it was made clear that PLASMODIUM spp were the causative agents. After the discovery of this pathogenic organism, the supernatural concept of malaria has now been put away.

2. Thunder and lightning were ascribe to some god (supernatural beings). But now, such concepts has been thrown into thin air.

3. Before now, children were dying unnecessarily as a result of different congenital anomalies such as G6PD, SCA and etc. They mysterious death of these children were ascribe to affliction from gods, bewitched children and etc. But thanks to modern medicine, more light has been shared.

4. In the past, Some fetuses die prematurely as a result of erythroblastosis fetalis. The society tag these pregnant women and their fetus as ogbanje, emere, abiku etc.

All these examples above were thought to be supernatural, but today are now history. We now understand them better.

Is it not an established fact that nothing happens without a cause? And when the causes of something defy natural orders, would you not be foolish to say that cause isn't beyond natural?

Like babies producing dark urine right?
Like astronauts traveling from earth to moon?


Hope you know all these are beyond natural comprehension?

Tasma:
At times the simplest explanation is the right one. Over time man has always had the problem of having loads of unanswered questions. Like kids at a science fair we struggle to gleam bits and pieces of the universe we exist in. Science is the tool we have to try to understand the world we live in, it does not claim to know everything time but asserts to "know " something until the knowledge is refuted or improved on. If the is a creator or "God" science everyday gives a better understanding of the world he created. Most religions on the other hand make an incredible leap of faith saying that they know the exact nature of this "God"! This even though it has been shown several times that a so called believer can be completely wrong about a topic simply due to lack of knowledge e. g. the flatness of the earth. Its a serious lack of humility to assume we somehow already have all the answers. When people talk of "God" which one do they mean. There are loads of religion each with a different concept of God, every sect can claim theirs is the right one. I wonder who is then right. The simpler explanation is that different people of different tribes, culture, habitat have come up with their own concepts of God and religion has been more of a tool for social mores than anything. Perhaps it is time to get rid of this easily exploitable tool and focus on morals and principles instead. Lastly using your subjective experience to declare the existence of your own particular God is disingenuous. For every 1000 answered prayers there are another 1000 unanswered ones. Also people get "answered " prayers praying to different concepts of God. The fear of eternal damnation shouldn't be the impetuous for good behavior in humans. I believe the will to be good exists in us all. Just my two cents.

Wow.

Brilliant

Seun:

If God wants to have a close relationship with us, it makes sense for him to start by doing things that undeniably demonstrate his existence. Would you marry someone who refused to meet you in person, talk to you directly on the phone, or even send pictures of him/herself?

Hmm... John 4 vs 24 says "God is a Spirit (a spiritual Being) and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth (reality) AMP. And the dictionary defines a spirit as "the non-physical part of a being which is the seat of emotions and character"
So therefore, man can only relate with God through his spirit man which is invisible cos a man is a triune nature: he is a spirit, he has a soul and he lives in the body.

But only a believer (born again) can enjoy a sweet relationship with this invisible God as though He's visible. And that was why Jesus was saying to the unbelievers in John 5 vs 37-47 "And the Father, who sent me, also testifies on my behalf. You have never heard his voice, or seen His face, and you do not keep His message in your hearts, for you do not believe in the one whom He sent. You study the Scriptures, because you think that in them you will find eternal life. And this very Scriptures speaks about me! Yet, you are not willing to come to me in order to have life. I am not looking for human praise. But I know what kind of people you are, and I know that you have no love for God in your hearts. I have come with my Father's authority, but you have not received me; when, however, someone comes with his own, you will receive him. You like to receive praise from one another, but you do not try to win praise from the one who alone is God; how, then, can you believe me? Do not think, however, that I am the one who will accuse you to the Father. Moses, in whom you have put your hope, is the very one who will accuse you. If you had really believed Moses, you would have believed me, because he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how can you believe what I say? GNB

To cut the long story short Boss, the honest truth is that God exists and He speaks audibly with His majestic voice. I bet you'll be scared when you hear His majestic voice for the first time. Although God speaks in three different ways:
1. Through His Word(Bible)
2. Through the inward witness( The Holy Spirit) and
3. Through His audible voice as a man speaks with his friend.
I'm privileged to be one of the benefactors and I'm not cajoling you here and I'll like you to read this book by Kenneth E. Hagin "HOW TO BE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD"
But I'm assuring you if you can rededicate your life to Him and believe He exists and then ask Him this genuine question from your heart: "Father, if truly you exist speak to me audibly" you'll be surprised I tell you... And mind you, there can never be an answer without a question.

I'd have love to share some of my experiences with this invisible God but it's gonna be long and time consuming.
Thanks

awesomeJ:


You'd do yourself a whole lot of good, making efforts to discard the ignorance you're here flaunting.

In case your mind deceives you, there have been billions of people in all generations, much better than you on several notes, who have willingly lived their entire lives serving God.

So why in your silly imaginations would you think he needs to beg anyone for love?

if you saw just one angel, the experience would overwhelm you, yet He has billions of them worshipping Him, and can make trillions more if He wanted?

God isn't begging you for anything? He couldn't possibly be. He's only offering you a way out of an impending eternal damnation. You may chooses to reject Him. Millions of people do, makes no difference. Safe journey to wherever you think you're headed after life.

Oh... no wonder he is not interested in proving himself to anyone.

Or perhaps he has u to help prove him to ur fellow humans.. how in the f*cking world did this great almigthy think it will work?

awesomeJ:

You're on a wrong page.

I didn't say God cannot show himself. it's easier than the easiest for Him to do that.

I gave an illustration about Dangote to show you that for any mature personality, the rantings of some folks who doubt their status could never bulge them.

If you insist Dangote should show you his truck load of cash to prove his wealthy status. Then it's becomes established that He wouldn't even regard that, talk less of do it. As an open minded person, wouldn't you seek other available means to verify his wealth status? Would you not try looking into his assets and investments as proof? So it's silly asking God to show Himself, when His works are conspicuous and countless.

Who is Dangote? We are talking about a supposedly creator who dumped us here disappears and expect us to know him by faith.

What has the characteristic of God got to do with Dangote, my fellow human who is trying to survive just like me?
Even if Dangote was my father, would hide and expect him to figure him out and get angry when i ask him to show himself?
Dont u guys sometimes feel foolish when u defend the creator of the world?
If i was Dangote and u ask me to show u my truck load of cash before u accept i am rich i will ask for ur arrest.

Why does God think like Dangote?

awesomeJ:

Save us the lecture prof.
Guy said God begs people for love. I debunked that, saying He's had billions of people who willingly served Him, and so he couldn't possibly be begging anyone for anything.

Now, when you would interprete that, what you got was "billions of people worship God, therefore He's true".

Maybe you should turn on gravity on your mobile device if that's what you're viewing with, cos it appears you read the post up side down.

Ya right... God has rich men worshiping him why bother himself about an ordinary me... yet u wonder why i flush any idea of him in the toilet

awesomeJ:


You'd do yourself a whole lot of good, making efforts to discard the ignorance you're here flaunting.

In case your mind deceives you, there have been billions of people in all generations, much better than you on several notes, who have willingly lived their entire lives serving God.

So why in your silly imaginations would you think he needs to beg anyone for love?

if you saw just one angel, the experience would overwhelm you, yet He has billions of them worshipping Him, and can make trillions more if He wanted?

God isn't begging you for anything? He couldn't possibly be. He's only offering you a way out of an impending eternal damnation. You may chooses to reject Him. Millions of people do, makes no difference. Safe journey to wherever you think you're headed after life.

Your created the world, created the problem and created hell then offers me a way out while he sits back in a hidden place and watch the drama... rabbish