Barristter07:


Covenants are established by blood . Read your Bible. This Jesus represented with wine.



Context is key to understanding. Does. abstain from unstrangled meat means do not touch an unstrangled animal or do not consume it ?



Apply thinking ability, it will help you Sir

In leveticus you didn't use context it's in acts you now want to use context.

Hairyrapunzel:


Do you know peacefullove called said I wasn't an intellectual one time?
Let me tell you why. I caught him when he removed a word on purpose 2 or 3 times from a verse so as to justify his assumption. I called him out for it and called him a deceitful person.

Who is this troll ?

If you are sure of your game , I dare you to.provide the thread, maybe your disgrace on NL go start today

Peacefullove:


Who is this troll ?

If you are sure of your game , I dare you to.provide the thread, maybe your disgrace on NL go start today

Did I lie? Didn't you remove a word from a sentence 2 or 3 times to make it look like what you were saying was true?

Provide thread ke ? Plus you plan on disgracing me?
You know you can't na. Cos I already know your trick which is you love assuming

Hairyrapunzel:


Did I lie? Didn't you remove a word from a sentence 2 or 3 times to make it look like what you were saying was true?

Provide thread ke ? Plus you plan on disgracing me?
You know you can't na. Cos I already know your trick which is you love assuming

Empty barrel make the loudest noise

Provide the link and stop spiting trash man

Am waiting

Blood is good ONLY when it is NOT TRANSFERED from body to body. God knows best about creation and HIS creatures so whoever knows how to administer any form of treatment MUST do so within the confines of HIS manual. But if some people feel they want to save their soul without considering what is written in HIS manual, fine! Some just want to remain under HIS guidance and instructions, in case there's need for giving an account on how they lived and regard HIS instructions no matter the situation they may face. That's why such ones are calling one another from one end of the earth to the other to form a global group of faithful worshipers who are living with a reason of faith. Even if it means giving up their soul for what they believe they're ready to stand by their strong faith. Daniel 3:16-18 compared to Matthew 10:39

TATIME:
Blood is good ONLY when it is NOT TRANSFERED from body to body. God knows best about creation and HIS creatures so whoever knows how to administer any form of treatment MUST do so within the confines of HIS manual. But if some people feel they want to save their soul without considering what is written in HIS manual, fine! Some just want to remain under HIS guidance and instructions, in case there's need for giving an account on how they lived and regard HIS instructions no matter the situation they may face. That's why such ones are calling one another from one end of the earth to the other to form a global group of faithful worshipers who are living with a reason of faith. Even if it means giving up their soul for what they believe they're ready to stand by their strong faith. Daniel 3:16-18 compared to Matthew 10:39

So now blood is only good when it is not transferred from body to body? No Bible passage to even reference your work

Hairyrapunzel:


Who is forcing who to take what they don't want?
It's like you ain't following the gist.
Their blood transfusion ban isn't in the Bible or it isn't biblical period.
What don't you understand sef?
Hmmm

That you have a contrary opinion to ones belief doesn't mean you are making a choice for them.

I have a contrary opinion. It's a free world. When I see you saying lies or using unrealistic/unrelated situations to justify blood transfusion ban I call you out.

Go through all text you will see that no one has forced anybody to accept their choice.

What concerns blood donation in the real world and blood transfusion ban not being in the Bible? Shift if you don't know what to say.

As far as I'm concerned, your argument with eyinjuege is baseless. I'm not a JW neither do I encourage most of their frivolous beliefs. Whatever anyone believes or does is absolutely their choice irrespective of the consequences.

damtan:
As far as I'm concerned, your argument with eyinjuege is baseless. I'm not a JW neither do I encourage most of their frivolous beliefs. Whatever anyone believes or does is absolutely their choice irrespective of the consequences.

Whatever rocks your boat.

damtan:
As far as I'm concerned, your argument with eyinjuege is baseless. I'm not a JW neither do I encourage most of their frivolous beliefs. Whatever anyone believes or does is absolutely their choice irrespective of the consequences.

Whatever rocks your boat.
Am I choosing for anybody? No
My own is the doctrine isn't biblical. Come and beat me.

Hairyrapunzel:


Whatever rocks your boat.
Am I choosing for anybody? No
My own is the doctrine isn't biblical. Come and beat me.

It's not biblical for you: that's what you believe. It is biblical for all JW. Whatever rocks your boat man. just stick to your choice

alBHAGDADI:


According to you, if a man leaves the vagina and have sex through the anus, he still hasn't abstained from sex. You went on to say a man who undergoes blood transfusion hasn't abstained from blood even though he didn't eat it.

But how come you don't say doctors touching blood aren't obeying the command of abstinence from blood?

How come you see no wrong with a husband touching the blood of his virgin wife?

How come you take some blood component?

Shouldn't they all totally abstain from blood and not have anything to do with?

If you can't criticize any of the above, then you have no right to say a man who undergoes blood transfusion has not obeyed the command ''Abstain from blood''.

alBHAGDADI:


According to you, if a man leaves the vagina and have sex through the anus, he still hasn't abstained from sex. You went on to say a man who undergoes blood transfusion hasn't abstained from blood even though he didn't eat it.

But how come you don't say doctors touching blood aren't obeying the command of abstinence from blood?

How come you see no wrong with a husband touching the blood of his virgin wife?

How come you take some blood component?

Shouldn't they all totally abstain from blood and not have anything to do with?

If you can't criticize any of the above, then you have no right to say a man who undergoes blood transfusion has not obeyed the command ''Abstain from blood''.

Abstain , definition:
"To deliberately avoid doing something that is enjoyable but that may not be healthy,safe or morally right"

(Source: macmillandictionary.com) .

Abstain Antonyms
" injest, consume, have, take in, take".


Anti JW apologists, receive sense...

alBHAGDADI:


According to you, if a man leaves the vagina and have sex through the anus, he still hasn't abstained from sex. You went on to say a man who undergoes blood transfusion hasn't abstained from blood even though he didn't eat it.

But how come you don't say doctors touching blood aren't obeying the command of abstinence from blood?

How come you see no wrong with a husband touching the blood of his virgin wife?

How come you take some blood component?

Shouldn't they all totally abstain from blood and not have anything to do with?

If you can't criticize any of the above, then you have no right to say a man who undergoes blood transfusion has not obeyed the command ''Abstain from blood''.

alBHAGDADI:


According to you, if a man leaves the vagina and have sex through the anus, he still hasn't abstained from sex. You went on to say a man who undergoes blood transfusion hasn't abstained from blood even though he didn't eat it.

But how come you don't say doctors touching blood aren't obeying the command of abstinence from blood?

How come you see no wrong with a husband touching the blood of his virgin wife?

How come you take some blood component?

Shouldn't they all totally abstain from blood and not have anything to do with?

If you can't criticize any of the above, then you have no right to say a man who undergoes blood transfusion has not obeyed the command ''Abstain from blood''.

Abstain , definition:
"To deliberately avoid doing something that is enjoyable but that may not be healthy,safe or morally right"

(Source: macmilliandictionary.com) .

Abstain Antonyms
" injest, consume, have, take in, take".


Anti JW apologists, receive sense...

alBHAGDADI:


The bold is what I call the sucker punch that knocks Barristter07 off the ring.

Abstain ,synonyms....
"Desist, Avoid , Refrain.
No dull yourself.

alBHAGDADI:


The bold is what I call the sucker punch that knocks Barristter07 off the ring.

"Abstain from fornication"
Abstain ,synonyms....
"Desist, Avoid , Refrain.
No dull yourself.

alBHAGDADI:
Not all STDs are in the bloodstream. Yes.

Why U dey lie like this ?
Your urine wey U take go lab go do STD tests, na where ee come from ? Whether U take urine tests or blood tests. All na from same source- your blood.

OneJ:

Why U dey lie like this ?
Your urine wey U take go lab go do STD tests, na where ee come from ? Whether U take urine tests or blood tests. All na from same source- your blood.

It seems that JW doctrine against education is really affecting you. Don't you know that rashes in the pubic area in some cases are STDs? Oh, you think it's all STDs that find their way into the bloodstream.

OneJ:


"Abstain from fornication"
Abstain ,synonyms....
"Desist, Avoid , Refrain.
No dull yourself.

Abstain from blood.

Desist, Avoid, Refrain.

Yet you touch your own blood. You touch blood as a doctor. Women touch their own blood when menstruating.

If you want to abstain from blood, just slit your throat, and so be it.

damtan:
It's not biblical for you: that's what you believe. It is biblical for all JW. Whatever rocks your boat man. just stick to your choice

That's why I am saying my own na shwoo?
It's my choice. I have freedom of speech and right to believe what I want to believe. I have the right to varying views.
Thank God you say it's stick to your choice. You have no right to shut me up.
Then tell them to stop spreading false statement about blood transfusion.

OneJ:


Abstain , definition:
"To deliberately avoid doing something that is enjoyable but that may not be healthy,safe or morally right"

(Source: macmilliandictionary.com) .

Abstain Antonyms
" injest, consume, have, take in, take".


Anti JW apologists, receive sense...

We said abstain can mean anything na. Avoid it totally. It includes avoid contact, do not touch. Lol

TATIME:
Blood is good ONLY when it is NOT TRANSFERED from body to body. God knows best about creation and HIS creatures so whoever knows how to administer any form of treatment MUST do so within the confines of HIS manual. But if some people feel they want to save their soul without considering what is written in HIS manual, fine! Some just want to remain under HIS guidance and instructions, in case there's need for giving an account on how they lived and regard HIS instructions no matter the situation they may face. That's why such ones are calling one another from one end of the earth to the other to form a global group of faithful worshipers who are living with a reason of faith. Even if it means giving up their soul for what they believe they're ready to stand by their strong faith. Daniel 3:16-18 compared to Matthew 10:39

Jim Jones peoples temple members gave up their lives (souls) by drinking kool aid for their beliefs. They stood by their strong faith. Lol

fratermathy:
I am not a Jehovah's witness but I think it is their belief that blood is sacred and represents life and therefore should not be transfused. The belief emerged in 1945 (it wasn't there from the onset) and it is based on their own interpretation of the old testament.

They even proposed a scientific reason for it and explained why the various parts of the blood should not be transfused.

Personally, I see the belief as a baseless one because bloodless surgeries, which they advocate for, is impracticable in many medical operations and blood is vital to counteract the effect of bleeding and some other ailments. It is scientifically illogical to refuse blood transfusion. I cannot count how many have died due to this belief. The one that remains evergreen in my memory is that of a jovial, jollygood uncle who was plagued by diabetes and cancer. He needed blood badly but refused to get any. He said Jehovah will heal him. His congregation and immediate family were trying to seek alternative treatments abroad which may not require blood transfusions but they found none. He later died a slow, agonising death.

To address the issue, this is basically a religious belief, even though absurd, and should be treated as what it is. We need not understand the rationale or probe the illogicality of it. Since they believe it and it is ultimately their choice what to do with their lives, we have no choice than to respect their beliefs and wonder in amusement from a distance. As with all other religious beliefs and superstitions, probing into them will ultimately mar our perception of the adherents since many of the beliefs are antithetical to commonsense.

Thanks for your well elucidated explanation.
The truth about JW doctrines is that they have made their belief religious thereby it has been made of no effect.
For starters they are of the belief that Righteousness is by works. But the scriptures clearly states otherwise.
Righteousness is by God's Grace given by our belief in Christ, and by our Faith in Him.

Galatians 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3 details this extensively.

To MOST people it is called FOOLISHNESS or MADNESS {1Corinthians 2:14} Yet to FEW it is called FAITH {Hebrews 11:1,6} Each person is free to conclude in his/her heart,but as for those who have the LIVER they'll live and die for what they've concluded in their hearts! Roman's 1:17

alBHAGDADI:
Abstain from blood.

Desist, Avoid, Refrain.

Yet you touch your own blood. You touch blood as a doctor. Women touch their own blood when menstruating.

If you want to abstain from blood, just slit your throat, and so be it.

Abstain, antonyms..
"injest, consume, take in, take"..
That's enough for U to receive sense. Those wey get sense know wetin abstain mean. No dey twist am to deceive yourself.

alBHAGDADI:
It seems that JW doctrine against education is really affecting you. Don't you know that rashes in the pubic area in some cases are STDs? Oh, you think it's all STDs that find their way into the bloodstream.

See as your brain dey deceive U ?
U wan use genital warts as cover to deceive yourself say STDs no dey for blood. Kai !!!
U dey sabi lie lie.


https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ common-warts/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20371131
"Your doctor can diagnose a common wart with one or more of these techniques:
* Examining the warts.
*Scraping off the top layer of the warts to check for signs of dark,pin point dots- CLOTTED BLOOD VESSELS".


(https://www.my.clevelandclinic.org/health/ diseases/4209-genital-warts/diagnosis-and-tests

"the following tests are performed for genital warts.
Men
Your health care provider:
* Examines visible growths to see if they look like genital warts....
* Takes a sample of blood to test for syphilis, HIV.......

Tests for gonorhea, chlamydia & syphilis are taken because STI's often occur together & share similar symptoms".

Fornication & adultery amounts to breaking the law to abstain from blood. "The body is not meant for sexual immorality.. Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her..."? Flee from sexual immorality" 1 Cor 6:13-16.

Sex within the marriage covenant is sanctified. "They are no longer two, but one" Matt19:4-6.. 1 Cor 7:3-5.

If U like start twisting it & looking for excuses , who be U ,a mere speck of dusts, to legislate for God?
Shalom.






alBHAGDADI , receive sense.

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alBHAGDADI:
Stop talking like an illiterate.

Blood has no waste product.

If you disagree, then list the waste products.

"The kidneys do a lot but their most important job is to take waste out of the blood & make urine"
Source : kidshealth.org.


"The kidneys remove from the blood the nitrogenous wastes such as urea as well as salts & excess water & excrete them in the form of urine..... The kidney's primary function is the elimination of wastes from the blood stream"
Source: Excretory system (Wikipedia).


alBHAGDADI, the blood U consumed or transfused into your blood stream will eventually generate wastes which your kidneys will excrete in the form of urine.

Half baked education to embellish lies , distort facts & mock God's word is worse than ignorance .

OneJ:


"The kidneys do a lot but their most important job is to take waste out of the blood & make urine"
Source : kidshealth.org.


"The kidneys remove from the blood the nitrogenous wastes such as urea as well as salts & excess water & excrete them in the form of urine..... The kidney's primary function is the elimination of wastes from the blood stream"
Source: Excretory system (Wikipedia).


alBHA.GDADI, the blood U consumed or transfused into your blood stream will eventually generate wastes which your kidneys will excrete in the form of urine.

Half baked education to embellish lies , distort facts & mock God's word is worse than ignorance .

You don't get my point.

You make it seem like Blood itself is what goes to waste and is passed out. If that's the case, then we'll need to be taking in blood everyday. What was the argument? That food which we eat get used up and becomes waste which is passed out. You went further to state that blood is quite the same. Now you are proving your point by stating the waste products which gets passed out of blood. You forgot that old itself remains the same, it's just excess materials, wastes and armful materials that get expelled. All other components remain the same.

For food, nutrients are used up and even excreted. Does the food remain the same way it was before you are it? Even if you eat blood, it will pass out the same way food will. But blood transfusion leaves the blood in its right state and functions pretty much the same way your own blood functions.

You think because you quote links, that will make everyone think you are brilliant. Yes, the Kidney helps excrete urea and other wastes from the blood. Simply because the blood transports it to the kidney doesn't mean it was generated by the blood. Same way you can't say the blood generates the nutrients it picks up from the stomach. Those waste materials are gotten from the body, the blood only helps in transporting them to the proper channels for excretion.

Seun:
Dear Jehovah's Witnesses,

When I heard that Serena Williams almost died during the birth of her child, I couldn’t understand why a strong and rich lady like her in a first world country would face such difficulties. When I learned that she is a Jehovah's Witness I immediately understood what the problem was.

Please help me to understand why blood transfusions are so bad. What makes you think that God is against life-saving blood transfusions? Why would God give doctors the wisdom to perform life-saving blood transfusions and then forbid his followers from accepting them?

Please don’t just copy and paste content from apologetics websites. Use your own words and reasons to explain what you personally believe.

See also:

1. If the JWGB changed their stance on blood transfusion and a child close to you needed one, what would you do?

2. Jesus declared all foods to be clean, according to the gospels. This would include blood.

Jesus said TRUE worshipers will worship in SPIRIT and TRUTH. John 4:24 Have you ever wondered why so many people claims to be Christians yet as you go from place to place their beliefs totally contradicts one another? Well if you must know, they're not worshipping the One and only true God. Because worshipers of that One must worship in SPIRIT (meaning :their form of worship will be unique and not in conformity to any local custom or tradition in their area,they'll have a form of worship that all those living in that area won't find something similar to it so everyone will keep asking questions regarding their beliefs despite the fact that all others also differs in teachings and doctrines) In TRUTH (meaning :In every land you find them their belief will remain the same, for example :Maths teachers across the globe teaches that 2x2=4 and it will be the same whether you're in Canada, Britain,China, Australia, Norway or Ghana. That's because what they're saying is confirmed but when you see their answers contradicting then something is wrong somewhere) Jehovah's witnesses are worshipping in spirit and truth that's why our beliefs are written in our hearts no matter where we live! Unlike the churches of Christendom where their beliefs are similar to the popular customs and traditions in their locality. Most African churches believe that women shouldn't wear trousers, makeups, jewelries and hairstyles,and this has become the general belief of most people but in advanced countries like America it's totally a different thing, yet a popular pastor from Nigeria will go there for ministration and never make mention of what he is teaching back home. We're Jehovah's witnesses, our beliefs and teachings are firmly established in our hearts! Jeremiah 31:31-34 Thank's,God bless you!

TATIME:
Jesus said TRUE worshipers will worship in SPIRIT and TRUTH. John 4:24 Have you ever wondered why so many people claims to be Christians yet as you go from place to place their beliefs totally contradicts one another? Well if you must know, they're not worshipping the One and only true God. Because worshipers of that One must worship in SPIRIT (meaning :their form of worship will be unique and not in conformity to any local custom or tradition in their area,they'll have a form of worship that all those living in that area won't find something similar to it so everyone will keep asking questions regarding their beliefs despite the fact that all others also differs in teachings and doctrines) In TRUTH (meaning :In every land you find them their belief will remain the same, for example :Maths teachers across the globe teaches that 2x2=4 and it will be the same whether you're in Canada, Britain,China, Australia, Norway or Ghana. That's because what they're saying is confirmed but when you see their answers contradicting then something is wrong somewhere) Jehovah's witnesses are worshipping in spirit and truth that's why our beliefs are written in our hearts no matter where we live! Unlike the churches of Christendom where their beliefs are similar to the popular customs and traditions in their locality. Most African churches believe that women shouldn't wear trousers, makeups, jewelries and hairstyles,and this has become the general belief of most people but in advanced countries like America it's totally a different thing, yet a popular pastor from Nigeria will go there for ministration and never make mention of what he is teaching back home. We're Jehovah's witnesses, our beliefs and teachings are firmly established in our hearts! Jeremiah 31:31-34 Thank's,God bless you!

Your beliefs are only seen in watchtower magazine.

alBHAGDADI:
You don't get my point.

You make it seem like Blood itself is what goes to waste and is passed out. If that's the case, then we'll need to be taking in blood everyday. What was the argument? That food which we eat get used up and becomes waste which is passed out. You went further to state that blood is quite the same. Now you are proving your point by stating the waste products which gets passed out of blood. You forgot that old itself remains the same, it's just excess materials, wastes and armful materials that get expelled. All other components remain the same.

For food, nutrients are used up and even excreted. Does the food remain the same way it was before you are it? Even if you eat blood, it will pass out the same way food will. But blood transfusion leaves the blood in its right state and functions pretty much the same way your own blood functions.

You think because you quote links, that will make everyone think you are brilliant. Yes, the Kidney helps excrete urea and other wastes from the blood. Simply because the blood transports it to the kidney doesn't mean it was generated by the blood. Same way you can't say the blood generates the nutrients it picks up from the stomach. Those waste materials are gotten from the body, the blood only helps in transporting them to the proper channels for excretion.

alBHAGDADI:
You don't get my point.

You make it seem like Blood itself is what goes to waste and is passed out. If that's the case, then we'll need to be taking in blood everyday. What was the argument? That food which we eat get used up and becomes waste which is passed out. You went further to state that blood is quite the same. Now you are proving your point by stating the waste products which gets passed out of blood. You forgot that old itself remains the same, it's just excess materials, wastes and armful materials that get expelled. All other components remain the same.

For food, nutrients are used up and even excreted. Does the food remain the same way it was before you are it? Even if you eat blood, it will pass out the same way food will. But blood transfusion leaves the blood in its right state and functions pretty much the same way your own blood functions.

You think because you quote links, that will make everyone think you are brilliant. Yes, the Kidney helps excrete urea and other wastes from the blood. Simply because the blood transports it to the kidney doesn't mean it was generated by the blood. Same way you can't say the blood generates the nutrients it picks up from the stomach. Those waste materials are gotten from the body, the blood only helps in transporting them to the proper channels for excretion.

alBHAGDADI. !!!!!!!!!!!
I find it hard to believe that U actually typed this poo.

1) In your own words "You make it seem like blood itself is what goes to waste& is passed out... (Why U dey lie lie?)

... 2) " Yes, the kidneys helps excrete urea & other wastes FROM BLOOD. Simply because the blood transports it to the kidneys doesn't mean its was generated by the blood..."
( SERIAL LIAR, Just continue to contradict yourself).
3) Blood transfusion leaves the body in its right state & functions pretty much the same"

Yet, that your blood transfusion must enter your bloodstream ,go reach your kidneys,it filters your blood & remove waste products from your blood. Your body obeys the truth but your stubborn heart dey reject am . Hahahahahaha


alBHAGDADI "you have two kidneys that filter your blood, removing wastes& extra water to make urine"
Source: https://www.niddk.nih.gov (how your kidneys work).

Facts are sacred.
SERIAL LIARS & peddlers of falsehood are never comfortable with solid evidence.

alBHAGDADI:
You don't get my point.

You make it seem like Blood itself is what goes to waste and is passed out. If that's the case, then we'll need to be taking in blood everyday. What was the argument? That food which we eat get used up and becomes waste which is passed out. You went further to state that blood is quite the same. Now you are proving your point by stating the waste products which gets passed out of blood. You forgot that old itself remains the same, it's just excess materials, wastes and armful materials that get expelled. All other components remain the same.

For food, nutrients are used up and even excreted. Does the food remain the same way it was before you are it? Even if you eat blood, it will pass out the same way food will. But blood transfusion leaves the blood in its right state and functions pretty much the same way your own blood functions.

You think because you quote links, that will make everyone think you are brilliant. Yes, the Kidney helps excrete urea and other wastes from the blood. Simply because the blood transports it to the kidney doesn't mean it was generated by the blood. Same way you can't say the blood generates the nutrients it picks up from the stomach. Those waste materials are gotten from the body, the blood only helps in transporting them to the proper channels for excretion.

[quote author=alBHAGDADI post=71121046]



alBHAGDADI. !!!!!!!!!!!
I find it hard to believe that U actually typed this lie lie stuff.

1) In your own words "You make it seem like blood itself is what goes to waste& is passed out... (Why U dey lie lie?)

... 2) " Yes, the kidneys helps excrete urea & other wastes FROM BLOOD. Simply because the blood transports it to the kidneys doesn't mean its was generated by the blood..."
( SERIAL LIAR, Just continue to contradict yourself).
3) Blood transfusion leaves the body in its right state & functions pretty much the same"

Yet, that your blood transfusion must enter your bloodstream ,go reach your kidneys,it filters your blood & remove waste products from your blood.
Virtually everyday, your body obeys the truth but your stubborn heart dey reject am . Hahahahahaha


alBHAGDADI "you have two kidneys that filter your blood, removing wastes& extra water to make urine"
Source: https://www.niddk.nih.gov (how your kidneys work).

Facts are sacred.
SERIAL LIARS & peddlers of falsehood are never comfortable with solid evidence.
Na so them go dey throw shade because the links I shared dey expose their lies.

[quote author=OneJ post=71129543][/quote]

Everybody is a serial liar. The moment you see you are wrong you start throwing tantrums and calling people liars. You don't even know human physiology, anatomy and biochemistry.
You keep exposing how ignorant you guys are. Kpele.

Kukuma say blood is a waste product so you will rest.