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ubunja:
to be honest I don't follow

ubunja:
so if there is no evidence your wife is cheating on you it means she is not cheating?

ubunja:
so if there is no evidence your wife is cheating on you it means she is not cheating?

Amakavula:
My answer is going to be long , let me book space..

I am a fencist when it comes to God. Intelligent arguement would suggest God doesn't exist, but we all know the world isn't intelligent or logical.

On one part, believing there isn't a God is quite intelligent, but believing there isn't isn't fulfilling either. What we are left with without a believe in a great force is a void of hopeless and emptiness ; that our lives offer no purpose ( my supervisor from Japan mentioned how Japan is trying to get people more religious to avoid suicides )

I always likened the God argument to a person lost at Sea. There is a 10% chance people are coming to find you, or there is a 90% chance nobody is coming. But I would take 10% all the time due to the hope and believe it inspires. Which could determine how best I thrive for a better life.

Hopelessness isn't cool, Whether God exist or not could be debated back and forth with no conclusion, but Believe brings you assurance of a better future.

Compare this two scenerio: The Doctor says you got Cancer and there isn't a cure and you will die , and nothing can be done.

Or after going back Doctor says he made an error with the Cancer type , that you still got Cancer but people survive it 10% of the time.

The change in emotion in that person could be the difference between life or death. God is that 10%.


On life and meaning, we find our own meaning through our Passions. There is no collective purpose just individual things. I want to be a writer ( script Writer ) to inspire and educated people, that is my purpose and I hope to find fulfilment there.

Lastly there isn't a good thing about pessimism. it makes you depressed, achieve little and look at things in gloom. Cheer up love.

Mikolion87:
I stopped debating on this topic a long time ago, seeing that I have noticed how bias people can become especially when they have their mind already made up. It is much better when relating with a "realist" than an atheist or even most religious fanatics. For the mention, I am a realist, and yes, a Christian (but a free-minded and realistic one). I tend to make logical decisions from REALITY (realistic philosophical school of thought- realism) than idealism ( from ideas or non-factual thoughts). Having laid this premise, I'll start by knowing whether the OP really wants to learn the truth of life or has already made up his mind..


Some of the things written by the OP are true while others are not realistic.

-The realistic ones have always been there.. Even the bible, in Ecclesiastes and Proverbs, including Sirach( Good news version) buttress the fact that there's the need to work hard to earn a living. Galatians 6:7 clearly states that a man reaps what he sows (I.e, when you do the right things you get the right results). There are also numerous quotations that encourages hard work . Ecc 9:10 states that, whatever thy hands finds to do, do with all thy might. etc etc. Even though some religious fanatics seat back and expect God to come down and perform miracles in areas that is clearly left for them. When one reads the bible in entirety, one would understand God's ways of working. It is wrong to choose a section and dwell on it as some religious fanatics do.. God has His role and we humans have our own roles to play too. But most people want God to come and perform their own roles for them, then later get frustrated when they don't get the right results.
Eccl 8:6 also buttress that there is always a proper way and time for every matter. That explains why people don't get the right results. There are laid down guidelines, realistic ways to live to get proper results in life.. All things being equal, when we do those right things and make right decisions, we'll get the right result (All things being equal). And the bible also mentions some of these things, "seeth thou a man diligent in his works,he shall stand before kings not mere men".. The bible is like God's manual of living (for the Christians). If we must be sincere, most people don't get results in life because, they do certain things the wrong way, and instead of learning how it should be done, they blame it on God. Even those who are born in poor homes can apply certain life principles (which the bible also teaches), such principles as
.humility, honesty, kindness, diligence,.. others such as, anger management, curtail extravagant living and proper planning.. while being constantly positioned for opportunities.. Most remain poor when they fail to spot opportunities that may come their way.


-Now as to whether God exists or not. That he has refused to provide manner for everyone on a platter of gold does not in any way mean he does not exist. He has provided a guide for living. So, whatever one sows, he reaps. No one can question Him.

.Come to think of it, even robots have makers, let alone being as complicated as humans. Everything is not only Physical. Life is begging for answers in many respects. But, if you critically view our reality, you'll find God's handwriting everywhere. Science may Have explained away the big bang theory, but have failed to clarify the source of the lightening and force that brought about the existence of the first product with well organized cells( which are all interlinked). I happened to have studied Medicine at a stage of my training in Dentistry/dental surgery. After seeing and studying the anatomy of man and the physiology, it will be laughable and even foolish to say, these things came about by chance. Even things carefully made by well organized and highly intellectual beings and scientists, end up having some loopholes and mistakes, let alone something made by "nobody" (chance,big bang theory).

.The way our world and the universe is organized also points to the existence of God. From the breaking of the day (when the sun rises) to the increased production of adrenocortical hormones in the human body (which increases alertness and activity), to sunset, leading to increase of serotonin (which signals rest). Or is it the different seasons... When you look at our universe, you'll notice orderliness and organization. You don't need a prophet to tell you all these are not products of chance. Except that man has contributed immensely to the expansion and beautification of the universe (by God-given knowledge), man also is the cause of several chaos in our world today.

. Now, concerning "village people" or spiritual wickedness, if you haven't experienced anything, it does not make it false. There are powers.. And some men use it either to torment others or for their protection. That is why today, we're talking about yahoo plus guys and using women's pants. Others use many other things for rituals... These things are not fake. You're probably not in tune with our reality. And I believe that God's role is majorly for those spiritual causes which we have no control over. That is where prayer comes in. Especially where diabolic persons may be trying to terminate your life or make you I'll by spiritual means, the Name of Jesus is very efficacious in this respect (I have experienced this personally).

There are so many things happening in our reality that has lent clarity to the fact that there is God. Except that, most people expect God to do everything for them.. God has laws and has made life and embedded principles into it. Failure to live by them results in misery and pains.

I have taken my time to type this so that you and many others can meditate on it and come to the truth of our reality and never be deceived.

CAPSLOCKED:
IF IT CAN'T BE PROVEN THAT SHE'S CHEATING THEN THERE'S NOT A SINGLE CASE AGAINST HER.

Bamidey:
Maybe your pastor was the one who literally laboured and even suffered in vain.
You suppose take a glance at 1 Peter 3:9-17 and ask your uncultured manner questions.
Who wrote the bible? Who wrote the Koran?
A Christian without simple nutshell mentality and reasoning.
Quote me with facts or I tear you apart with your own scripture.
I will still sound it for you to hear, I'm a Christian though I might be lil spiritual but not too religious like y'all that have lost their sense on the altar of their pastors.
STOOPID!!!!

Hermes019:
It is common that a wife cheats on her husband,it is something we have witnessed severally so from experience we know that there is a possibility for his wife to cheat on him,in this case if a person claims that his wife is cheating on him without bringing evidence we don't entirely dismiss it(because it is possible),but we don't believe it either because no evidence supports the claim
In your own case,we do not have any reason to assume there is significant possibility that your God exists,so we conclude he doesn't since you don't have any evidence

ubunja:
so if there is no evidence your wife is cheating on you it means she is not cheating?

ubunja:
that's the difference between me and you. I don't rely on evidence. Because not everything that happed has evidence

ubunja:
That's why those who believe without any logical reason to believe will be REWARDED because it's not an easy thing to do.
Do you understand the point of religion and faith?

Akin1212:
You people who believe in God always mix things up, that's why it's always hard for you to see that there's nothing like God. No wonder some of you always ask if sense exists to justify your belief in god.

Now, let's take it one after the other. I said, anything that does not have evidence of existence, is not existent.

Please note: God, as being promoted is tangible and cheating is not a tangible object.

1. There's no correlation between God and cheating. A God who created everything would be a tangible object and not an abstract term such as cheating. Cheating is not a thing, it's a term for an action. Except if you agree that God is also a term and not a thing, that is when we can place it side by side in the same. Do we worship cheating? Does it have a son? Does it give us rules on how to live? Come on, you can do better, please.

2. Cheating cannot exist, it can only happen when someone is not faithful. If you're going to agree that God is not tangible, then I won't need to debate this with you. If God is just a term and not something that has a kingdom, and an uncountable number of angels, then there's no point for this argument.

3. Even if we're to betray logic and favor sentiments, let's assume that God and cheating are analogues (we already know that it is illogical to do so). If cheating is investigated, inspected and looked at critically, you will see the evidence. After investigating, if there's no evidence, she's probably not cheating. But this God of yours has been investigated and objectively looked at critically with an objective aim to certify the absolute truth, he or she came back as non existent. Everything claimed to be created by this God has been found to come into existence through another means.

Find time to sit and think deeply. We are more than this your average thinking. Thanks.

CAPSLOCKED:
WHAT?

IF THERE'S NO EVIDENCE IT MEANS IT EITHER DIDN'T HAPPEN, OR ENOUGH RESEARCH HAS NOT BEEN CARRIED OUT.

WHY WHEN IT COMES TO THE ASPECT OF RELIGION EVEN SOME OF THE SMARTEST PEOPLE REASON LIKE CATTLE.

ubunja:
which church promotes God as tangible?

Akin1212:
Lmao, is God intangible? Is he a being or not?

ubunja:
Which church promotes God as tangible?

ubunja:
Which church promotes God as tangible?

CAPSLOCKED:
WHAT?

IF THERE'S NO EVIDENCE IT MEANS IT EITHER DIDN'T HAPPEN, OR ENOUGH RESEARCH HAS NOT BEEN CARRIED OUT.

WHY WHEN IT COMES TO THE ASPECT OF RELIGION EVEN SOME OF THE SMARTEST PEOPLE REASON LIKE CATTLE.



WILL BE REWARDED WITH WHAT? FOR WHAT? BY WHO OR WHAT?.

I'M BEGINNING TO GET MORE WORRIED ABOUT RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. YOU'RE MORE THAN AMAZING.

Akin1212:
All churches. Is God not a living being anymore?

Amakavula:
Read about the Black Swan CAPSLOCKED you will understand why I believe in God. Nobody believe the black swan existed, and every swan was white until they were found in Australia. There are instances of Magic and Juju so therefore there has to be a God .

ubunja:
in your dictionary tangible = living?

Akin1212:
Are you misrepresenting my statements? Is God tangible or not? Is God alive?

ubunja:
YES. THATS THE POINT.
That's why those who believe without any logical reason to believe will be REWARDED because it's not an easy thing to do.
Do you understand the point of religion and faith?

ubunja:
tangible has nothing to do with life. Don't be stupid.

Akin1212:
Lol, tangible has everything to do with life. Do you even know what life is?

Name something that is alive and intangible?

Hermes019:
OK let me ask u this
Why do you believe in God(YHWH) ?

Amakavula:
Read about the Black Swan CAPSLOCKED you will understand why I believe in God. Nobody believe the black swan existed, and every swan was white until they were found in Australia. There are instances of Magic and Juju so therefore there has to be a God .

ubunja:
You are stupid
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ADJECTIVE
perceptible by touch.
"the atmosphere of neglect and abandonment was almost tangible"
NOUN
(tangibles)
a thing that is perceptible by touch.
"these are the only tangibles upon which an assessment can be made"

Amakavula:
Read about the Black Swan CAPSLOCKED you will understand why I believe in God. Nobody believe the black swan existed, and every swan was white until they were found in Australia.

VERY GOOD. WE'LL BELIEVE IN GOD WHEN WE FIND IT/HE/HER IN AUSTRALIA.

IMAGINE THESE CLOWNS OH LORD. BECAUSE THERE ARE BLACK SWANS THERE MUST BE GOD?
OR BECAUSE NOBODY BELIEVES THERE'S A FLYING HORSE, THEN A FLYING HORSE IS LATER DISCOVERED, THAT MEANS THERE MUST BE GOD?

WHY CAN'T WE ALL CHILL UNTIL WE DISCOVER GOD THE SAME WAY WE NEWLY DISCOVER ANIMALS AND PLANETS.

YOU EQUATE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD TO EXISTENCE OF ANIMALS, THAT ALREADY EXISTS ON THE PLANET, BUT DOESN'T EXIST IN OUR BOOKS UNTIL THEY'RE DISCOVERED. THAT YOU DO THIS SHOWS HOW LOW YOU CAN GO TO PROVE THAT RELIGIOUS PEOPLE DON'T REASON PROPERLY

There are instances of Magic and Juju so therefore there has to be a God .

CAPSLOCKED:
VERY GOOD. WE'LL BELIEVE IN GOD WHEN WE FIND IT/HE/HER IN AUSTRALIA.

IMAGINE THESE CLOWNS OH LORD. BECAUSE THERE ARE BLACK SWANS THERE MUST BE GOD?
OR BECAUSE NOBODY BELIEVES THERE'S A FLYING HORSE, THEN A FLYING HORSE IS LATER DISCOVERED, THAT MEANS THERE MUST BE GOD?

WHY CAN'T WE ALL CHILL UNTIL WE DISCOVER GOD THE SAME WAY WE NEWLY DISCOVER ANIMALS AND PLANETS.

YOU EQUATE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD TO EXISTENCE OF ANIMALS, THAT ALREADY EXISTS ON THE PLANET, BUT DOESN'T EXIST IN OUR BOOKS UNTIL THEY'RE DISCOVERED. THAT YOU DO THIS SHOWS HOW LOW YOU CAN GO TO PROVE THAT RELIGIOUS PEOPLE DON'T REASON PROPERLY



SO IF THERE HAS TO BE GOD, THIS MUST BE THE GOD YOU AND YOUR FAMILY BELIEVE IN? WHY NOT ANY OTHER GOD FROM THE HUNDREDS KNOWN TO MAN?

Akin1212:
Lol, I am trying my best not to respond with insults. And I won't.
The definition of tangible is exactly what you have posted. But there are others.

Everything in the world that exists is tangible.

Another meaning is Actual, capable of being understood and evaluated, and therefore regarded as real

Then there is also something that is capable of being given a physical existence


Now, life has all these characteristics, if you really know what life means.

But the question is, a God that is alive and created tangible, physical things, is he tangible or not?

I believe you that is not stupid can answer me that is stupid.

ubunja:
so to you REAL = ALIVE?
don't be stupid. I keep warning you.