Goodlyhrt:
My friend God is everywhere you just need to know to start perceiving and stop looking for him.

How did u encounter God ?

Akin1212:


There is no way to literally open one's eyes through knowledge. If I am God, then there is no problem about that. IF you are God, then there is no problem about. But if you claim there is a supernatural being that is God, then you will have to provide a concrete and empirical evidence for that. From all this tripe you posted, I have seen that you are a pantheist and hence a time waster.

I doubt you are an atheists because they are way smarter than this. Call it pantheist or whatever. You can't take the fact that we are wonderment of nature. I subscribe to love and happiness in the advent of the fact that we found ourselves in this conscious state without any explanations or prerequisite towards the happenstance of our birth. We could argue all day.


I posit that there is this fine tuned existence as we know it that we "subconsciously" are part of, as its the case of the less enlightened.


I'm not a God believer as In religiously but rather a part of this God.

Hermes019:
How did u encounter God ?

Through the wonderment of nature

Prove of God is everything and it's everywhere.

Goodlyhrt:
I doubt you are an atheists because they are way smarter than this. Call it pantheist or whatever. You can't take the fact that we are wonderment of nature. I subscribe to love and happiness in the advent of the fact that we found ourselves in this conscious state without any explanations or prerequisite towards the happenstance of our birth. We could argue all day.


I posit that there is this fine tuned existence as we know it that we "subconsciously" are part of, as its the case of the less enlightened.


I'm not a God believer as In religiously but rather a part of this God.

Please let us stay on the topic or argument, don't start the ad hominem fallacy. You can doubt all you want, just attack the argument and not the man. I'll like to believe that you're smarter than me

We are not wonderment of nature just because you said it. Explain how we are wonderment. Define wonderment also.

Goodlyhrt:
Through the wonderment of nature

Ok,so how did u determine what God is exactly,I mean his features and the rest ?

And if I may ask,are natural disasters also part of this wonderment ?

Hermes019:

Ok,so how did u determine what God is exactly,I mean his features and the rest ?

And if I may ask,are natural disasters also part of this wonderment ?

Wait for it bro, he is going to instead blame man (the wonderment) for the natural disasters. Just wait for it , so it will not be as if I put the words in his mouth.

jerry447:
After assimilating what u wrote, I will never argue whether God exist or not.... GOD IS REAL.... THANK U BRO, I ALMOST Believed that there is No God...

I'm so happy to hear this brother..Most of those that do not believe in God's existence have little or no knowledge at all about the human body. Remain firm in your believe .

CC lalasticlala

Martinez39:
Reality is better and safer than any hope. Hope that can never materialise is of no use. Jesus is never coming back, there will never be a rapture, prayers are useless and there is no karma. Thanks for your input.

U Welcome.....

Bamidey:

Crap without a counter reason to back it up?
I've read couple of stuffs you wrote and I believe with such intellect, you won't be an advocate of mere talk without evidence.
I'm a christian BTW. I'll like you to counter the OP with facts.
Is there really God somewhere? I've asked this question numerous times and believe me, even real men of God has.

I believe the answer to ur question lies in the reasons for questions. It is those reasons that should be satisfied with answers. U see ur questioning God's existence in this inquisitive manner is wat Proverbs 2:3-5 supports thus: "Moreover, if you call out for understandingAnd raise your voice for discernment; 4 If you keep seeking for it as for silver,And you keep searching for it as for hidden treasures; 5 Then you will understand the the fear of Jehovah,And you will find the knowledge of God".
So wat exactly are those reasons or factors that prompt ur questions as to God's existence?

[quote author=Martinez39 post=75519370] When we are born, our minds are at tabula rasa. What we know depends on our environment, experiences, exposure and, where possible, the indoctrination our society has given us. Reality is such that no matter what we believe, it doesn't change and it doesn't care about our feelings. Given that many grew up believing the wrong things and are still believing these things, I find it important to set things straight. It might be that many are sensible but still not aware of certain things. Without wasting your time, here are hard facts about life.

1) THERE IS NO GOD AND YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN : Lolz....i am sorry for u bro. The air u breathe, the water u drink the life u live, wakin up every mornin do u think it is by your power. This is the truth GOD exist and he is ready to accept u but only if u are willing.

I agree with you 100% , you are absolutely right

It painful to realize so many people are myopic you they cant think logically and realize the truth for themselves
Really sad

Sbsrules:
Lolz....i am sorry for u bro. The air u breathe, the water u drink the life u live, wakin up every mornin do u think it is by your power. This is the truth GOD exist and he is ready to accept u but only if u are willing.

where is your evidence that a god exists? Is it god that created the air, water and life I live? Evidence or stfu.

Martinez39:
where is your evidence that a god exists? Is it god that created the air, water and life I live? Evidence or stfu.

check your pm

Though this topic has been here since February, but saying there is no God is what's all these atheist wannabee always want to prove with their half baked logic and understanding.

The simple logical answer to their confusion is, you can't have a car without a manufacturer, you can't see a footprint without a foot, a house can not build itself without a builder. even robots don't self assemble themselves, they have a creator.
It is unscientific to look how the human system is designed to come to such faulty conclusion based on a shaky,unstable ,unscientific and illogical premise that the heart, liver and other organs of the body function without a cause and effect behind it, in other words, there is a higher knowledge or a "great intelligence " who brought all these to bear.
It only takes a drunken fool with no scientific and logical knowledge to say there is no God.
Even a fool knows God exist.


This life has a purpose and the purpose is to test us in our various lives on how are we able to follow God's manual, the Quran.
If you see this life has no purpose is like saying going to school has no purpose or typing this rubbish has no purpose. Which you know the purpose behind it is to make people follow you idea about life having no purpose.
Whoever passes this test will be rewarded in the after life.
If there was no after life and no purpose it mean people like Adolf Hitler who incinerated 6 million Jews will just go like that unpunished.
The purpose of after life is where God judges everyone based on the information from. any if his messengers available to him and he would be judged accordingly without injustice.

I could written more but I stop here.

You can see why I said Christianity has been the whipping boy of Atheist.
How can a Christian explain to a non Christian how a Jesus christ whom they call God died for three days and the same bible says God is ever living that is, he can not die yet after knowing this claim Jesus died for their sins.
It is either of one of these three things.
1.If Jesus was God it means he did not die.

2. if Jesus was a man it means he is not God.
because God and man are not the same.

3.It is either Christians are having their doctrines mixed up because God is not the God of confusion.
In other words, Christians are trying hard to sell a lie to the unsuspecting public about the immutable and all-conquering Jesus without restrictive powers yet, they tell us his own creatures(Jews) were able to overcome power him and nail him to the cross.

Khaleell001:
Though this topic has been here since February, but saying there is no God is what's all these atheist wannabee always want to prove with their half baked logic and understanding.

The simple logical answer to their confusion is, you can't have a car without a manufacturer, you can't see a footprint without a foot, a house can not build itself without a builder. even robots don't self assemble themselves, they have a creator.
It is unscientific to look how the human system is designed to come to such faulty conclusion based on a shaky,unstable ,unscientific and illogical premise that the heart, liver and other organs of the body function without a cause and effect behind it, in other words, there is a higher knowledge or a "great intelligence " who brought all these to bear.
It only takes a drunken fool with no scientific and logical knowledge to say there is no God.
Even a fool knows God exist.


This life has a purpose and the purpose is to test us in our various lives on how are we able to follow God's manual, the Quran.
If you see this life has no purpose is like saying going to school has no purpose or typing this rubbish has no purpose. Which you know the purpose behind it is to make people follow you idea about life having no purpose.
Whoever passes this test will be rewarded in the after life.
If there was no after life and no purpose it mean people like Adolf Hitler who incinerated 6 million Jews will just go like that unpunished.
The purpose of after life is where God judges everyone based on the information from. any if his messengers available to him and he would be judged accordingly without injustice.

I could written more but I stop here.

You can see why I said Christianity has been the whipping boy of Atheist.
How can a Christian explain to a non Christian how a Jesus christ whom they call God died for three days and the same bible says God is ever living that is, he can not die yet after knowing this claim Jesus died for their sins.
It is either of one of these three things.
1.If Jesus was God it means he did not die.

2. if Jesus was a man it means he is not God.
because God and man are not the same.

3.It is either Christians are having their doctrines mixed up because God is not the God of confusion.
In other words, Christians are trying hard to sell a lie to the unsuspecting public about the immutable and all-conquering Jesus without restrictive powers yet, they tell us his own creatures(Jews) were able to overcome power him and nail him to the cross.

U are a complete fool and ignoramus even if the truth stands before u like a huge wall u shall never recognise it. You shouldn't be posting anything for you are not qualified and a complete idiot animal in human skin

Dothraki:
check your pm

Okay.

Martinez39:
When we are born, our minds are at tabula rasa. What we know depends on our environment, experiences, exposure and, where possible, the indoctrination our society has given us. Reality is such that no matter what we believe, it doesn't change and it doesn't care about our feelings. Given that many grew up believing the wrong things and are still believing these things, I find it important to set things straight. It might be that many are sensible but still not aware of certain things. Without wasting your time, here are hard facts about life.

1) THERE IS NO GOD AND YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN : a lot might not agree but I challenge you to show me any evidence that god exists. Your life struggle is yours to bear and no god is coming to help you out. No matter how much you pray, what god you believe in and how morally upright you are, nature will always take it's course and if you don't do the right thing, you won't get the right result. Religion, psychic stuffs and other spiritual stuffs are ridiculous falsehoods with no sound basis in reality. Do away with them and start facing reality.

2) THERE IS NO AFTERLIFE : once you die, that's it. Your cease existing forever after you die and there is no coming back. So do all you want now that you are alive. This world is all there is, there is no spiritual/unseen world. This is where you succeed, this is where you fail. If you don't make it here, forget it and there is no second chance. This is where you are happy, this where you are sad. Once time has passed, it can never be regained.

3) PEOPLE HAVE THEIR PRICE : people are not moral. With the right amount of money and desperation, people will do immoral and mean things. For many, morality is only when it's convenient. Learn not to trust anyone for even your enemies may smile a lot. Money reveals people's true colour. When it comes to money, people are not to be trusted and are mean spirited opportunists. When you have money, people (men and women) will gather round you. They don't give a damn about you but your money. Learn to say "no," spend your money on yourself and leave the rest for your children.

4) SUCCESS IS NEVER GUARANTEED UNTIL IT IS ACHIEVED : that boy or girl that looked almost certain to succeed might end up turning out to be a "failure" in future. That boy or girl that was looked down upon might be the highest achiever in future. No one, I repeat no one, can know the future. You might do everything right and die before you reap the fruit of your labour. You might suddenly have an accident or disease that would render you useless no matter how bright you were. You might be lucky to make it. There is nothing like a way to make it in life instead all you have are principles that increases your chances at making it in life but chances are what they are and are not certainty. Until it is achieved, success is not guaranteed.

5) LIFE ON EARTH HAS NO PURPOSE : you exist for no reason. The universe doesn't owe you any meaning to your existence. The meaning your life has is the meaning you give to it. There is nothing like destiny and fate. Your life is how you plan it.

6) NOT EVERYONE WILL MAKE IT IN LIFE : we all know this but still like to act like success is our birthright because we think our life is in the hands of an imaginary god. Even if we all work hard, not all of us will make it and you could be among those that don't make it. Even among those that succeed, there will be variation. Some will make it early while some will make it late. Some will be privileged to be born in a successful family while some will be born in poor families.

7) YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL : that HIV you hear about can happen to you. That cancer you hear about can happen to you. That rape you read about in the news can happen to you. That ghastly accident you read on nairaland, newspaper and see on tv can happen to you. In short anything bad can happen to you. That untimely death you see and hear from wherever can happen to you. Who the hell are you to think that you are immune to these things?

THE UNIVERSE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT MORALITY. ALL IS CAUSE AND EFFECT : good things happen to bad people; good things happen to good people; bad things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. Do the right thing and you will get the right result. It doesn't matter whether your approach is legal or not (legality and illegality are man's construct), apply the rules and you will get the right results. Cause and effect agrees with the strong overcoming the weak that's why your corrupt and powerful politician can unduly put you in jail and you will rot there no matter how morally upright you are. Your saving grace is if there is a more powerful force to save you and keep him in check. The universe cares about rules and facts not morality and your constitution.

9) INJUSTICE, NO KARMA AND WICKEDNESS : The universe doesn't care about your wellbeing and disputes. That guy that raped you might never be caught and would go on to marry and be happy till he dies while you struggle to make a living. That rich guy that snatched your girlfriend or the girlfriend that cruelly snubbed you and went for a rich man might end up building a happy marriage and home while you keep on struggling. Justice is man's duty to uphold. That man that stole all your money might invest it and be successful while you rot away; that man or woman that stole your idea might use it to make billions while you rot away into oblivion and poverty; that fake friend that cruelly snubbed you during your hard time might live a life of fulfilment while you rot away in misery; that cultist that shot your sister might never be found and may go on to live a successful and happy life. There is nothing like karma, if man doesn't seek justice then justice will never be implemented. Sorry for you if you think god will avenge your hurt and fight your battles. Sorry for you if the person you want to bring justice upon is very powerful. Take heart, it's life.

... to be continued

Almost every point you wrote here is flawed, though there are some elements of truth in some of them.
All the little flaws in your philosophy is centered on one major flaw - THERE IS NO GOD.
Every flawed philosophy you had will correct itself the moment your acknowledge the existence of GOD.
Other great philosophers who lived before you and almost all religions admitted that GOD exist.
You are not wiser than them all.

Martinez39:
.. continued

10) SUCCESS IS STEP BY STEP UNTIL THE VERY END : you must be consistent and not rest on your laurels, keep on at it step by step till the very end. Because you worked hard and made sound decisions in the past doesn't mean things will turn out well. A single mistake, ignorance or bad association can cost you all you have worked for overnight. So it's step by step with wisdom till the very end.

11) MIRACLES DON'T EXIST : there are no such things as miracles -- from the supernatural perspective. Work and hustle.

12) NO ONE OWES YOU ANYTHING : even if you are dying, your medical bill is five naira and you can't afford it, no one owes it to you to help you out. The rich don't owe the poor anything. You don't owe anyone anything and no one owes you anything. Let everyone go and work. No matter how much you complain and try to get emotionally, no one owes you sh1t. If you are broke, no one will give you money and no one will look your face no matter how handsome you are so when you have money, don't waste it being a Santa Claus. Use your money for yourself and children and leave to them the remaining as inheritance. Your money should pass down to your bloodline. If you like go and give birth to children that you can't take care of, when you can't afford hospital bills and your child dies, don't blame anyone.

When you have money, people will gather around you not because they like you but because they like your money. Even if it's your last card, they don't care. They will collect it. Learn to say "no" no matter the emotional display and desperation shown by the begger. Let people go and work and earn for themselves, you don't owe them anything. If you waste your money being a Santa Claus, people will disappear, no one will give you money, the people who you have helped will distance themselves from you ,snub you and start giving you attitude/insults. Don't borrow people money because most people don't pay back. Human needs have no end, even if you spend $2bn to meet people's needs, they will still come again. Beware that people always like to take advantage and control so stand your ground and trust no one. Live within your means as you are not obliged to impress or compete with anyone.

13) BEING TOO KIND IS A WEAKNESS : be kind while using your brain. Learn to say "no" and stand your ground and don't lose sleep helping people or at least those that are not worth it. Being kind can backfire.

14) EVERYTHING IS PHYSICAL, NOTHING IS SPIRITUAL : Everything thing is physical and has a physical explanation. Nothing is spiritual and no observation should be attributed to the spiritual. Nothing like "my village people dey do me," if you no make am, no be person dey do you. Many things that people thought were spiritual ended up having physical explanations. Be real. No human being is spiritually endowed with special anointing, supernatural knowledge, spiritual gifts or any of those nonsenses. No one is special and can't do what you can't spiritually. You can't heal terminal cancer therefore no pastor can do the same. You cannot disappear therefore your pastor or native doctor can't. Every person be human being. Throw spiritual nonsenses away.


The end.

you are off the chart smart. Bravo!

Reply your pm and lets talk

Dothraki:
you are off the chart smart. Bravo!

Reply your pm and lets talk

Due to some problems, let me send you a dm instead. If there are still problems, we will speak on WhatsApp.

Martinez39:
No mind am. Na so people dey take fail exam.

1 2 5 9 Wrong!

Martinez39:
So you find it okay to take certain things as truths without any sound basis? Will you take the existence of unicorns as true based on faith? Haba! Faith is no a virtue.

You Are Reacting this Way Because Of Divine Knowledge (if only we had stayed away from it)

Martinez39:
So you find it okay to take certain things as truths without any sound basis? Will you take the existence of unicorns as true based on faith? Haba! Faith is no a virtue.

Permit Me To Borrow Some Of Your Stated Points.

fw71497:


U are a complete fool and ignoramus even if the truth stands before u like a huge wall u shall never recognise it. You shouldn't be posting anything for you are not qualified and a complete idiot animal in human skin

What have this idiot said now?

When fools with no brain cells to rub together can't say anything they resort to insult like car park touts.

I await your insults or reply let me soak your head in the gutter of insults dingbat!

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Thank God I am a Believer and thank YOU for your redemption

DonroxyII:
God exist
I believe we are somebody's engineering ..... we are somebody's technology .... we are not special and we are all nothing .... we have no brain beyond what our society defined for us .... Our knowledge of our planet earth at our highest level of technological breakthrough is still limited talkless of our solar system and to talk of billions of stars in our galaxies and billion of galaxies in the universe

Maybe there are even billion of universes ... So, if you say God doesn't exist , it's like a useless brainless wasted drunkard telling his inebriated soul he owns the world ....

You are nothing more useful than that little cockroaches in your room that think it's wiser than you .... You are nothing and Nothing
Fly in the sky and see how antliked your fellow look like and at some point you become so smaller than an atom ....

God doesn't care you believe or not .... I look at myself and my wirings... I have drank beer to stupor and smoked weed till I passed out ...My brain misbehaved till i can't control anything me just like a system being hit by trojan .... There and then, I concluded I am like a computer too , somebody's robotic technology .

Now, if such person states there is afterlife , there is destiny (Programs n Commands) written against your brain box ...... who are we to queried anything in our limited brain and consciousnesses !!

We are too limited !!

DonroxyII:
God exist
I believe we are somebody's engineering ..... we are somebody's technology .... we are not special and we are all nothing .... we have no brain beyond what our society defined for us .... Our knowledge of our planet earth at our highest level of technological breakthrough is still limited talkless of our solar system and to talk of billions of stars in our galaxies and billion of galaxies in the universe

Maybe there are even billion of universes ... So, if you say God doesn't exist , it's like a useless brainless wasted drunkard telling his inebriated soul he owns the world ....

You are nothing more useful than that little cockroaches in your room that think it's wiser than you .... You are nothing and Nothing
Fly in the sky and see how antliked your fellow look like and at some point you become so smaller than an atom ....

God doesn't care you believe or not .... I look at myself and my wirings... I have drank beer to stupor and smoked weed till I passed out ...My brain misbehaved till i can't control anything me just like a system being hit by trojan .... There and then, I concluded I am like a computer too , somebody's robotic technology .

Now, if such person states there is afterlife , there is destiny (Programs n Commands) written against your brain box ...... who are we to queried anything in our limited brain and consciousnesses !!

We are too limited !!

We are limited, therefore god exists and we can't say he doesn't? How do you know that we are someone's engineering?

Amakavula:
My answer is going to be long , let me book space..

I am a fencist when it comes to God. Intelligent arguement would suggest God doesn't exist, but we all know the world isn't intelligent or logical.

On one part, believing there isn't a God is quite intelligent, but believing there isn't isn't fulfilling either. What we are left with without a believe in a great force is a void of hopeless and emptiness ; that our lives offer no purpose ( my supervisor from Japan mentioned how Japan is trying to get people more religious to avoid suicides )

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I always likened the God argument to a person lost at Sea. There is a 10% chance people are coming to find you, or there is a 90% chance nobody is coming. But I would take 10% all the time due to the hope and believe it inspires. Which could determine how best I thrive for a better life.

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Hopelessness isn't cool, Whether God exist or not could be debated back and forth with no conclusion, but Believe brings you assurance of a better future.

Compare this two scenerio: The Doctor says you got Cancer and there isn't a cure and you will die , and nothing can be done.

Or after going back Doctor says he made an error with the Cancer type , that you still got Cancer but people survive it 10% of the time.

The change in emotion in that person could be the difference between life or death. God is that 10%.


On life and meaning, we find our own meaning through our Passions. There is no collective purpose just individual things. I want to be a writer ( script Writer ) to inspire and educated people, that is my purpose and I hope to find fulfilment there.

Lastly there isn't a good thing about pessimism. it makes you depressed, achieve little and look at things in gloom. Cheer up love.

Hence, holding up to the 10% hope is not the issue.......(after all, we're all subjected to the same level of hopelessness in the first place) but rather the issue is when someone suddenly began campaigning (forcefully, cunningly, manipulatively and deceitfully) without ceasing to convince others that there is 100% within the supposed 10% that someone deliberately planned the voyage for you without consulting you and holding the misery of the 90% to himself as the master planner, the person also has a planned rescue mission without hidden charges. Then proceed to enact and implementing a standard doctrines that will be applied across board irrespective of your location and conditions on the sea.......which by extension is eroding your psychological instinct to device means to increase your hope. Meanwhile, his campaign has not even 1% solution instead it increases your fear by proposing/claiming that an inescapable phase of life ( after death) will prove and verify the authenticity of the idea.

Ok

Yes and if anyone wanted to tell us that there’s God then come up with evidence