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lx3as:
Though I promise not to reply you again because I don't believe an adult would not understand the difference between 'spread up to' and 'spread over/through'.

Please go to any Ogun worshiper in Benin and ask him to show his shrine. You will find a stone close to that Ogun shrine; that's for Esu (the trickster), Esu was different from Satan in the Bible; when Bishop Ajayi Crowders was translating Bible from English to Yoruba, he called Satan, Esu and it sticks up till today.

To an hunter, who worships Ogun, he believes that the gun he is carrying can kill someone/himself through mistake or misfortune hence the worshiping of Esu by giving him some offerings on that stone near Ogun shrine to appease him. Esu was part of the ancient Yoruba gods just like Ogun, Obatala, Orunmila, etc.

Bye.

Esu is acknowledged as a diety but rarely worshipped.. it’s only dubious people that makes offering to Esu.
So u are very wrong to say Ogun worshippers also worship Esu..

lx3as:
Read again!

'' ...spread up to Ashanti kingdom of present Ghana/Ivory's coast''.

Ashanti people are in present day Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire.
Ashanti's neighbours to the east from Accra region to Togo and Benin Republic, the Ewes, Fons, etc are closely related to the Yorubas;; they even claim Ife origin. Oyo Empire easily absorbed them at her greatest prowess but as soon as the empire declined, they did not only got their independence but also attacked some Oyo territories.

lies, lies any Ghanaian/ Ivorian reading this will immediately know you are lying because in the first place the ethnic group which extends to the ivory coast is Akan, ashanti is a tribe within the akan ethnic group. There are records of wars we fought and lost and what you are saying is a lie. Ashanti tried to extend it borders to dahomey but lost the war so they retreated but didn't pay allegiance to bini because they merely defended themselves and their motherland aside that we had no encounter with no tribe from Nigeria. The ewes run away from an evil king in Benin to present day Ghana, the Gas also run away from ile ife to Ghana to escape famine they did not pay allegiance to anytribe in Nigeria infact the tribe that gave them issues was ashanti it's obvious that they interracted with akans most since their culture has some akan influences. Written and oral ghanaian history does not mention oyo drop that fantasy.

lx3as:
Though I promise not to reply you again because I don't believe an adult would not understand the difference between 'spread up to' and 'spread over/through'.

Please go to any Ogun worshiper in Benin and ask him to show his shrine. You will find a stone close to that Ogun shrine; that's for Esu (the trickster), Esu was different from Satan in the Bible; when Bishop Ajayi Crowders was translating Bible from English to Yoruba, he called Satan, Esu and it sticks up till today.

To an hunter, who worships Ogun, he believes that the gun he is carrying can kill someone/himself through mistake or misfortune hence the worshiping of Esu by giving him some offerings on that stone near Ogun shrine to appease him. Esu was part of the ancient Yoruba gods just like Ogun, Obatala, Orunmila, etc.

Bye.

That is ur knowledge of esu in yoruba dont bring it to benin it's different also benin had guns before the so called yorubas i guess now benin worshiping of ogun was adopted by the yorubas

Nanatrendy:
lies, lies any Ghanaian/ Ivorian reading this will immediately know you are lying because in the first place the ethnic group which extends to the ivory coast is Akan, ashanti is a tribe within the akan ethnic group. There are records of wars we fought and lost and what you are saying is a lie. Ashanti tried to extend it borders to dahomey but lost the war so they retreated but didn't pay allegiance to bini because they merely defended themselves and their motherland aside that we had no encounter with no tribe from Nigeria. The ewes run away from an evil king in Benin to present day Ghana, the Gas also run away from ile ife to Ghana to escape famine they did not pay allegiance to anytribe in Nigeria infact the tribe that gave them issues was ashanti it's obvious that they interracted with akans most since their culture has some akan influences. Written and oral ghanaian history does not mention oyo drop that fantasy.

I wonder why it so difficult for you to understand!

For the last time:
I didn't say Oyo kingdom COVERED or SPREAD OVER or SPREAD THROUGH Ghana or Cote d'Ivoire. I said it spread up to Ashanti kingdom; that is, boundary of Ashanti's kingdom. And the Ashantis are in present Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire.

This is the problem with the Bini revisionists who don't want to read or carry out research but rely mainly on 'beer palour' tales.

Simply look for history books on Oyo Empire; don't just rely on limited online sources.

You can get few things from here:

www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Oyo_Empire

https://seunfakze./2012/02/19/the-oyo-empire-by-prof-george-ayittey/

www.fsmitha.com/h3/h28af3-4.htm

davidnazee:
Esu is acknowledged as a diety but rarely worshipped.. it’s only dubious people that makes offering to Esu.
So u are very wrong to say Ogun worshippers also worship Esu..

Then you people don't know what you're doing.

I was born in a family that has been worshiping Ogun for generations. There was never a time, Ogun is worshipped with sacrifice like dog, kola, Palmwine, roasted yam and palm oil that little was not splash or drop on Esu Lalu or lanroye's little spot (though you don't drop some certain things like 'adin') by the main Ogun shrine and the pronouncements 'esu ma se mi omo...' and they would praise-sing him not to cause misfortunes. You people don't just know anything about this deities again. When you see how Binis that engage in Umọlẹ, Sango, Ogun, ect do theirs, you will only shake head. Everything is turned upside down, even the Ogboni of a thing....

Weedfree:
Then do u mind listing them out and oyo empire never conquered ogun state.

Oyo Empire did not really expand widely in the forested areas but covered northern part of present Ogun State. The Egbas were settled around present Ibadan then and were covered by the Oyo Empire but Ijebus were not.

lx3as:
I wonder why it so difficult for you to understand!

For the last time:
I didn't say Oyo kingdom COVERED or SPREAD OVER or SPREAD THROUGH Ghana or Cote d'Ivoire. I said it spread up to Ashanti kingdom; that is, boundary of Ashanti's kingdom. And the Ashantis are in present Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire.

This is the problem with the Bini revisionists who don't want read or carry out research but rely mainly on 'beer palour' tales.

Simply look for history books on Oyo Empire; don't just rely on limited online sources.

You can get few things from here:

www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Oyo_Empire

https://seunfakze./2012/02/19/the-oyo-empire-by-prof-george-ayittey/

www.fsmitha.com/h3/h28af3-4.htm

sorry but Oyo didnt even cross Dahomey to even have a boundary with Akan

Just30:
sorry but Oyo didnt even cross Dahomey to even have a boundary with Akan

Where is Volta River?

''Expansion

From 1650 onward, the Oyo Empire entered a period of expansion, where it would extend its rule over most communities between the Volta River in the west to Benin and the Niger River in the east. The expansion of the Empire was made possible by the adept use of calvary and the use of part-time military forces recruited from its tributary states.
The height of Oyo's militaristic expansion was in 1748, following the subjugation of the Kingdom of Dahomey, which occured in two phases (1724–30, 1738–48). The empire then began trading with European merchants on the coast through the port of Ajase (Porto-Novo).''

www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Oyo_Empire

lx3as:
I wonder why it so difficult for you to understand!

For the last time:
I didn't say Oyo kingdom COVERED or SPREAD OVER or SPREAD THROUGH Ghana or Cote d'Ivoire. I said it spread up to Ashanti kingdom; that is, boundary of Ashanti's kingdom. And the Ashantis are in present Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire.

This is the problem with the Bini revisionists who don't want read or carry out research but rely mainly on 'beer palour' tales.

Simply look for history books on Oyo Empire; don't just rely on limited online sources.

You can get few things from here:

www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Oyo_Empire

https://seunfakze./2012/02/19/the-oyo-empire-by-prof-george-ayittey/

www.fsmitha.com/h3/h28af3-4.htm

sorry but Oyo didnt even cross Dahomey to even have a boundary with Akan

lx3as:
Where is Volta River?

''Expansion

From 1650 onward, the Oyo Empire entered a period of expansion, where it would extend its rule over most communities between the Volta River in the west to Benin and the Niger River in the east. The expansion of the Empire was made possible by the adept use of calvary and the use of part-time military forces recruited from its tributary states.
The height of Oyo's militaristic expansion was in 1748, following the subjugation of the Kingdom of Dahomey, which occured in two phases (1724–30, 1738–48). The empire then began trading with European merchants on the coast through the port of Ajase (Porto-Novo).''

www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Oyo_Empire

Even Dahomey was not part of the Oyo empire
Dahomey only had a military pact with oyo

davidnazee:
Other wars fought by Great Benin:

Benin wars in the east against the Igbos when trying to colonize the Igbos resulting in the founding of onitsha.

Benin wars in eastern Yoruba lands (conquering and subjugation of Ekiti lands, Akure revolt against Benin)

Oyo actually signed a peace treaty with Benin not to go to war with it and recognized Benin as the ruler over eastern yorubas while Oyo ruled over western Yoruba.

1 Yoruba people bring up lies every day just more to stable an empire that never existed.

2 They where claiming Oyo war with Benin they can also write this in their site but Benin have no record of this

And also what they say of Ghana if Ghana are here it would have changed too.

3 Benin never fight igbos of today because there was noting like igbo before half of northan igbo was Benin then and the second half was Ida empire.

The Ida Igala today wanted to expand their empire first trying to take some eastern part of Benin including asaba agbor and this result to war (Ida war) .

Igbo of today never fought Benin they were a dependent tribe to only Benin empire and Igala empire

lx3as:
How would a smaller Bini Kingdom subjugate Oyo Empire?
See, most of the explorations of Bini to South West then were carried out by Ilajes, Owo, Ikale, Itsekiris, Ekitis (including Akure), etc. They all saw Bini kings as Oodua royal sons. In fact, Ilajes were used to get to Awori's Olofins in present Lagos Island. Some Ekitis, Akokos, etc were used to fight among themselves on behalf of Oba of Bini...

Baseless Facts.

You Refered To The Benin Empire As A Small Kingdom.
A Kingdom That Extended Its Conquest To Dahomey(now Benin Republic).
You Are Such A Clown.

lx3as:
This is simply confusion!

Ekiti never fought Egba, they don't even share boundary. Ekiti never really fought Oyo but Ibadan. However, there were wars between Ekiti kingdoms and Bini and her allies within. Oyo only intervened in Otun Ekiti kingdom and Bini war.

You people should also know that Oyo Empire started earlier and spread wider, as far as Ashanti kingdom of present day Ghana/Ivory's coast. Oyo made use of ports in Badagry, Ajase, Cotonou and Togo rather than the Ijebu/Awori dominated ones in Lagos. Oyo empire was already diminishing when Bini Kingdom was growing. Oyo Empire knew about Ife prince kingdom of Bini and the two never really waged war against each other.

But Hope You Knew That The Bini Empire Existed Before The Oyo Empire Even Thought Of Existing?

gregyboy:
Listen to yourself who would forfeit a whole language because he wants to rewrite an history if they even attempted to do such they could have been much similarities between the new adopted language and that of the one forgone just in a space of how many years a language was forgone in an entire city you should be ashmed you never took philosophy to help you reason before you talk.... And again because the oba launched a book years ago meaning what he wrote in the book was never true put yourself as a benin man and tell me which history would please your ears

I Love That Challenge And Auguement.

gregyboy:
The Ashanti kingdom and togo u speak about was it by conquest if its not i would say benin influence spread beyond sothern part of nigeria including the oyo empire inclusive and beyond africa to europe in portugal

To Europe In Portugal?
Myth !!!

lx3as:
Where is Volta River?

''Expansion

From 1650 onward, the Oyo Empire entered a period of expansion, where it would extend its rule over most communities between the Volta River in the west to Benin and the Niger River in the east. The expansion of the Empire was made possible by the adept use of calvary and the use of part-time military forces recruited from its tributary states.
The height of Oyo's militaristic expansion was in 1748, following the subjugation of the Kingdom of Dahomey, which occured in two phases (1724–30, 1738–48). The empire then began trading with European merchants on the coast through the port of Ajase (Porto-Novo).''

www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Oyo_Empire

What is the European country they traded with who was the captain that sign the trade with the Oba of Oyo.

When something is faked it has no fact. I can tell you every each country of European Benin traded with and their captain names from 13th century to 18th century

lx3as:
I never said Yoruba language was used by Bini populace but in the palace to some point in time.
A lot of Yorubas remained in Bini after Oranmiyan left, so as to guide the young prince/king in Yoruba spirituality. How do you explain the worshiping of Ogun, esu, Osun, Aiyelala, Umọlẹ, etc in Bini up till this day?

This Is Another Point That Needs To Be Carefully Explored.

lx3as:
Then you people don't know what you're doing.

I was born in a family that has been worshiping Ogun for generations. There was never a time, Ogun is worshipped with sacrifice like dog, kola, Palmwine, that little was not splash or drop on Esu Lalu or lanroye's little by the main Ogun shrine and the pronouncements 'esu ma se mi omo...' and they would praise-sing him not to cause misfortunes. You people don't just know anything about this deities again. When you see how Binis that engage in Umọlẹ, Sango, Ogun, ect do theirs, you will only shake head. Everything is turned upside down, even the Ogboni of a thing....

Yorubas worship differently from Benin. Esu is only acknowledged as a deity in Benin but not worshipped, no shrine is erected for it. I too come from a family that worshipped African gods we never worshipped Esu at anytime.

lx3as:
Oyo Empire secured these places through conquest. They mainly used Calvary of horses which were very good in the savanna and plain land of West Africa. They could not penetrate forested and swamped areas hence the independence of Ekitis, Owos, Ondos, Ilajes, Ijebus, Lagos Aworis, etc; even Bini. Their Calvary could easily get to Ajase, Cotonou, etc.
than Lagos.

Bini never gone beyond Lagos Island not even Badagry, the Ilajes and Itsekiris they made use of to get to Lagos Island couldn't really wage war against powerful Ijebus' kingdom, hence they took prince Ado of Bini through the lagoon; the land between Bini and Eko were never conquered by the Binis.

But Hope You Read Of The Part Of History That Has It That The Kingdom Of Bini Extended Its Rule To Dahomey(now Benin Republic).
How Do You Explain That.

PetroDollaxx:
This is not true. Oyo empire never reached a Ghana. When was this? When did it happen?

I Concur

lx3as:
You can always read more about Oyo Empire.
Just start now with limited online sources; then get history books; don't assume you already knew everything about Ọyọ Empire or any other history,

How did you think the isolated Yoruba people in central Togo, etc. got there in the first place?

Through Migration I Purpose.

Weedfree:
Oyo empire conquered most of Yoruba land but not all Benin empire conquered most of southern part of Nigeria. Oyo empire stretches all the way to Benin, Togo and Ghana. Some of the Yoruba people in those areas got their through migration not by conquering. it was recorded that Oyo empire fought Ashanti empire but it was never recorded in Ashanti history. Just has Benin empire said the subjected ijebu but it was not recorded in ijebu history.

African History Is Complicated Due To Lack Of Proof

lx3as:
Oyo Empire did not conquer most of Yoruba land oh! It covers present Oyo State, Kwara, part of Osun, part of Ogun, and the rest of the empire was in West Africa,
It avoided conquering Ife.It was after the fall of Oyo Empire that the rising power, Ibadan, waged war against most Yoruba clans until Ekiti Parapo war against Ibadan by Ekitis, Ijesas, some Igbominas, etc. with arms' support from Ijebus.

Yes, some got there through migrations; however, some warriors and their commanders also stayed behind during the Oyo Empire. Some were their to collect royalties for Alaafin as 'Ajele' and permanently settled in those places.

That Is Not Visible In History.

lx3as:
Read again!

'' ...spread up to Ashanti kingdom of present Ghana/Ivory's coast''.

Ashanti people are in present day Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire.
Ashanti's neighbours to the east from Accra region to Togo and Benin Republic, the Ewes, Fons, etc are closely related to the Yorubas;; they even claim Ife origin. Oyo Empire easily absorbed them at her greatest prowess but as soon as the empire declined, they did not only got their independence but also attacked some Oyo territories.

This Are Never Visible In Any Historical Worl I Purpote.

lx3as:
I will not say more! You can continue to choose what to believe.

Bye.

Confusion.

gregyboy:
Lol....benin dont worship esu .esu is seen as devil in benin and they neither worship osun we can never truely ascertain any worship you mention apart from ayelala you mentioned which was adopted recently just thesame way ogboni was also adopted on recent but this does not connote seniority between both party as religion worship could be accepted through trade .benin empire is way older than the oyo empire it took in some religional worship and took out some indigenous worship...i repeat we can still not ascertain who gave who this worship we could only guess and our guess maybe wrong ...and again benin was an empire.that dwell so much on spirituality they borrowed so many different idol from neighbouring state even also adopted christanity so we borrowing idols from yoruba people cannot ascertain anything young man just like we borrowing christanity meaning we came from isreal

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gregyboy:
Lol....i just wanted you to say conquest and i would have open full goggle on you ...go read your history and be proud of the little your forefathers archieved as for the benins they died protecting thiers

The Oyo Empire Went Into Demise Quickly Compared To The Binin Empire.

Oshi5403:
But Hope You Read Of The Part Of History That Has It That The Kingdom Of Bini Extended Its Rule To Dahomey(now Benin Republic).
How Do You Explain That.

It never happened.

That's part of revisionists' theory, just because of same 'name'. You can find out how Dahomey came about the name 'Benin Republic'.
Nigeria own was from 'Ibinu' to 'Ibini' to Bini and recently, Benin; they are not related.

gregyboy:
Oyo empire is fables build upon lies it is sad Ghanaian and togo aint in this forum to debunk their claims Benin never fought the ijebus they would have left thier trade mark there

Sincerely,i Being The Op Would Have Love To See Ghanaians,togolese Etc Join It This Trend.

[quote author=davidnazee post=76600303]Other wars fought by Great Benin:

Benin wars in the east against the Igbos when trying to colonize the Igbos resulting in the founding of onitsha.

Benin wars in eastern Yoruba lands (conquering and subjugation of Ekiti lands, Akure revolt against Benin)

Oyo actually signed a peace treaty with Benin not to go to war with it and recognized Benin as the ruler over eastern yorubas while Oyo ruled over western Yoruba.
[/quote

Source Please?

pictures here is of how the euopen saw west Africa or Nigeria from 13th century to 18 century.

One of the picture has an author who drawn and write it down as the empires erupen saw. Lazaro after drawing an Africa map then died in 1575.

I command Yoruba to bring a map of their empire with the source of it author being a European of account of what they saw in Africa.

Because if we take a source from each Nigeria trib they will credit to their kingdom.

Please don't bring any map here a Yoruba person edited or a map with no source.

If you can't bring this map meaning Oyo empire never existed and you have been stealing the history of Benin or bight of Benin

lx3as:
Though I promise not to reply you again because I don't believe an adult would not understand the difference between 'spread up to' and 'spread over/through'.

Please go to any Ogun worshiper in Benin and ask him to show his shrine. You will find a stone close to that Ogun shrine; that's for Esu (the trickster), Esu was different from Satan in the Bible; when Bishop Ajayi Crowders was translating Bible from English to Yoruba, he called Satan, Esu and it sticks up till today.

To an hunter, who worships Ogun, he believes that the gun he is carrying can kill someone/himself through mistake or misfortune hence the sacrifice to Esu by giving him some offerings on that stone near Ogun shrine to appease him. Esu was part of the ancient Yoruba gods just like Ogun, Obatala, Orunmila, etc.

Bye.

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