The question remains why do societies with such ideals can possibly stir so much controversy. The saying goes :there is no smoke without a fire. What is the fire that could cause all this smoke? I believe the reasons are multiple:

1- people are always afraid of what they don't know. What people don't know nor understand is usually the target of their accusations. But this alone can't explain why western esotérica is so much frowned upon.

2-the secrecy aspects of those clubs make it easier to form lobbies and sects within the sect with different objectives than those of the school.

But I believe the major reason is:

3- secret societies are seen by many as a pathway rather a shortcut to prestige fame and wealth. Most people who join do so because they want to feel among and become rich and powerful. This shameful tendency consequently led to the crafts being filled with low level souls with no ideals and nobility but pride ambition power hunger and similar vice.

Also, world powers have seen in this an opportunity to subject the elite of their colonies. As such, France the USA Great Britain tendencially installed and used those societiee to further their own political agenda.

This is most unfortunate. Indeed no organization is greater than the sum total of its members. When the quality of these is low, the organization loses in glory. But remember, being a Mason or a rosicrucian is beyond belonging to Amorc or free masonry. Just as being a true Christian or Muslim is more than just belonging to a church organization or Muslim group.

It is a matter of conviction, dedication, character and understanding.

Shepherd00:

You were.opening up your essence to.demons to inhabit and manifest here in the physical. For those who succeeded, these demons use their bodies to do lots of things and the hosts are told they are powerful and better than others, (Just like the Op) but when they stand before Jesus, the judge of the earth, dey story go change.

lol! take a chill pill bro! I said weird dreams, not bad/nightmarish experiences. It was mainly about things that I didn't understand (at that time), the information overload got to me and I stopped. Please cease from this ramblings about demons and possession, the message wouldn't be about love if demons had a hand in it.

MuttleyLaff:


When you look at the dark side, careful you must be, for when the dark side looks back to stare


Do you ever recoil back, when watching something gruesome happening in real life or maybe just on a TV screen slash internet. If you do, well that's your spirit not wanting to be needlessly grieved. Sometimes, you protect the gateway to your spirit man because you might not necessarily want to relive or remember the moment, so you block any avenue, contact or link to that thing happening or going on

What Makes Man?
Or better still what is man?
Man is a spirit being, residing or housed in a Body and possessing a Soul, so Man is made up of Body, Soul (i.e. uses the heart as an outlet) and Spirit.
The Soul has the body and spirit on each opposite sides of it. In a nutshell, Man essentially, is a spirit being with a soul, housed, encapsulated, and/or wrapped up in a human being body suit

The spirit and soul have different faculties, and so the faculties of the spirit, comprises of Fellowship, Conscience, Discernment or Intuition, whilst the faculties of the Soul comprises of the Mind (i.e. consciousness and sub consciousness) or Intellect, Will or Freewill, and Emotions and the Body has 5 faculties of senses, which are, to see via the eyes, hear via the ears, feel via applicable part of the body, smell via the nose and taste via the mouth.

Mind you, the Soul is the most important existence of Man and that is why the battle is and always has been about or over the Soul. All attacks, are ultimately targeted at and for the Soul. Now, the Soul is the first medium key component of Man created by God and Man is tickled and accessed through this same Soul by way of the body and spirit. The Soul, in effective, is the mediator between the body and spirit

The different faculties in the Soul waits, to pick up signals coming from the relevant and/or applicable faculties in the Body and the Spirit. This crucial bit of information, is very important to grasp, that the Soul receives from the Body and deposits into the Spirit. Whatever the Body reads or sees via the eyes, hears via the ears, feels via applicable part of the body, smells via the nose and talks or tastes via the mouth is picked up by the Soul and deposited into the Spirit. The Spirit then, upon receiving things from the Soul, has to deal with or process what the Soul has deposited into its laps.

This is why regulation is very important. It is why we ought to control and oversee what the Soul is picking up from or picking up with the senses. If you have to by all means, eat the chicken or fish, then its necessary to know when and how to spit out the bones, or if it's straw to eat, then know when and how to spit out the sticks, alternatively, if it's liquor to drink, and you cant hold it down so you don't throw it up, then know how or when to stay away from the liquor

The devil has no power, except with and in the dark, so I'll advise the curious to distance self from the dark, to save yourself from misery, but if hellbent on dining with the devil, then make sure you've got a long spoon to eat with.

dude I am not foolish enough to mess with the dark side, besides it was an experience that led to discoveries.

LoJ:

LoL. Esoteric paths are for matured souls who among other things are ready to face their fears. Unfortunately many are not ready to, so they fall for sweet comfortable lies such as the ones provided to you in this very thread. Eventually, each person will get to that point at some time. It can take a thousand lifetime though.

hmmm...

chrisbaxtian:
dude I am not foolish enough to mess with the dark side, besides it was an experience that led to discoveries.

I am glad to know, you can and are able to handle yourself, but not everyone is capable of holding themselves down like you because some who foolishly sought the experience and power, by riding the back of the tiger, have ended up inside the tiger's belly. The further away you stay from a tiger, the less chance you have of getting eaten by one or ending in its belly, is all I am just saying. Keep your eyes peeled. Shine your eyes.

LoJ:
LoL. Esoteric paths are for matured souls who among other things are ready to face their fears. Unfortunately many are not ready to, so they fall for sweet comfortable lies such as the ones provided to you in this very thread. Eventually, each person will get to that point at some time. It can take a thousand lifetime though.

chrisbaxtian:
hmmm...

Not all that glitters, is gold

chrisbaxtian:



dude I am not foolish enough to mess with the dark side, besides it was an experience that led to discoveries.

Any knowledge devoid of God's will and purpose only leads to death - remember Adam and Eve.

chrisbaxtian:



lol! take a chill pill bro! I said weird dreams, not bad/nightmarish experiences. It was mainly about things that I didn't understand (at that time), the information overload got to me and I stopped. Please cease from this ramblings about demons and possession, the message wouldn't be about love if demons had a hand in it.

Your Life, your businesses.

MuttleyLaff:
Not all that glitters, is gold

Indeed. this also applies to religion that promise an eternal life of happiness at little or no cost except to believe in their own version of God. And in case you have doubts, you should be happy to escape the eternal flame created by a loving god, and stop questioning. And you don't need to worry too much about sin, for the blood of Jesus is available and provides you a free sin licence.

True esoteric paths promise you nothing. No carrot and no stick to Keep you going. If ones wants to change, he has to truly will it. If we want a better world, we have to build ourselves.

To me, it is obvious which way glitters, and which may be Gold.

Shepherd00:
Your Life, your businesses.

lol

UceeGod:


Any knowledge devoid of God's will and purpose only leads to death - remember Adam and Eve.

what do you really know about God's will?

chrisbaxtian:



what do you really know about God's will?

When His Spirit lives in you, you'll know His will and align your own will with His.

UceeGod:

When His Spirit lives in you, you'll know His will and align your own will with His.

This sounds like an intellectual answer, but in truth it is not. it is vague and fails to address the issue. What exactly do you know about the will of God?

chrisbaxtian:


lol

Abi? weytin I go talk again nah?

LoJ:

LoL. Esoteric paths are for matured souls who among other things are ready to face their fears. Unfortunately many are not ready to, so they fall for sweet comfortable lies such as the ones provided to you in this very thread. Eventually, each person will get to that point at some time. It can take a thousand lifetime though.

You wish you can have another life time.

Die first let's see. The demons hosting in your body will be the ones taking up your memories with the intent to deceive people that you have reincarnated, while you'll be in hell belching smoke from your mouth ears and everywhere.

LoJ:

Indeed. this also applies to religion that promise an eternal life of happiness at little or no cost except to believe in their own version of God. And in case you have doubts, you should be happy to escape the eternal flame created by a loving god, and stop questioning. And you don't need to worry too much about sin, for the blood of Jesus is available and provides you a free sin licence.

True esoteric paths promise you nothing. No carrot and no stick to Keep you going. If ones wants to change, he has to truly will it. If we want a better world, we have to build ourselves.

To me, it is obvious which way glitters, and which may be Gold.

Tell that to the wind. You can insure your soul into Satan's hands and yet decide you'll no longer continue and just turn back abi?

The only ones you can deceive are the ones who are blind to the gimmicks of Satan.
Satan takes slaves and never lets go.

chrisbaxtian:



what do you really know about God's will?

The Will of God is that His Kingdom come and earth be ruled like Heaven, as He intended before Adam sold out.

His Will is that I become like Him.

E clear you now?

chrisbaxtian:
what do you really know about God's will?

UceeGod:
When His Spirit lives in you, you'll know His will and align your own will with His.

chrisbaxtian:
This sounds like an intellectual answer, but in truth it is not. it is vague and fails to address the issue. What exactly do you know about the will of God?

The three Rs signifies what the will of God is about, as in, has to do with doing the right thing, that's done at the right time whilst remaining on right standing with God, plus being on His terms and good side.

MuttleyLaff:




The three Rs signifies what the will of God is about, as in, has to do with doing the right thing, that's done at the right time whilst remaining on right standing with God, plus being on His terms and good side.

what is the right thing?

when is the right time?

what is the right standing with God?

Shepherd00:

The Will of God is that His Kingdom come and earth be ruled like Heaven, as He intended before Adam sold out.

His Will is that I become like Him.

E clear you now?

smh! we could possibly derail this thread if I decide to move along this tangent with you guys.



Word of advice, speak of only that which you know and experienced

chrisbaxtian:
What is the right thing?

When is the right time?

What is the right standing with God?

My dear friend and brother, the string word that ties each one together is approval. The right thing is that thing God approves of, the right time is the doing it at a time God approves of, and the right standing with God, is making sure your action, conduct, deed, thought, word or whatever it is, will be approved by God enough that you remain in God's good book and be in right standing with Him

Shepherd00:
The Will of God is that His Kingdom come and earth be ruled like Heaven, as He intended before Adam sold out.

His Will is that I become like Him.

E clear you now?

chrisbaxtian:
smh! we could possibly derail this thread if I decide to move along this tangent with you guys.

Word of advice, speak of only that which you know and experienced

Why the smh, don't you realise that Shepherd00 is to a degree, right ni? Fundamentally, what Shepherd00 typed, to start with, is part of what the original will of God is, chrisbaxtian

chrisbaxtian:




This sounds like an intellectual answer, but in truth it is not. it is vague and fails to address the issue. What exactly do you know about the will of God?

Above all that has been written here, the will of God for you chrisbaxtian, is to have His indwelling Spirit in you so you can fulfill the purpose for which He created you.

All these "Jesus" people should stop derailing this thread with their BS. Save your nonsensical biblical beliefs for the ignorant and fearful lot like you. Let's read what OP has to say.

Enough of your bunkum! Fearful lot.

gensteejay:
All these "Jesus" people should stop derailing this thread with their BS. Save your nonsensical biblical beliefs for the ignorant and fearful lot like you. Let's read what OP has to say.

Enough of your bunkum! Fearful lot.

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;
but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires;"
2 Timothy 4:3

Have you read anyone telling OP to stop typing, huh?

Whatever OP has to write, is just going to be like the, have you considered my servant Job? No one is like him, a man of perfect integrity, who fears God and turns away from evil, remark.

MuttleyLaff:
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;
but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires;"
2 Timothy 4:3

Have you read anyone telling OP to stop typing, huh?

Whatever OP has to write, is just going to be like the, have you considered my servant Job? No one is like him, a man of perfect integrity, who fears God and turns away from evil, remark.

Ok. Keep your trash to yourself. Stop derailing the thread.

gensteejay:
Ok. Keep your trash to yourself. Stop derailing the thread.

One man's trash is another man's potpourri. What protection have you to insulate yourself from harming yourself and/or from the toxic waste that will be emanating from this thread?

MuttleyLaff:
One man's trash is another man's potpourri. What protection have you to insulate yourself from harming yourself and/or from the toxic waste that will be emanating from this thread?

Stop derailing the thread.

gensteejay:
Stop derailing the thread.

The thread has in no way been derailed, please dont criticize and stop decrying the neighbourly warning issues, especially when seen that people are hungry for God, but hungry for Him, going about it and doing it, the wrong way. When the proverbial shiit hits the fan, guess you'll there cleaning up, wiping and drying bums, right?

MuttleyLaff:
The thread has in no way been derailed, please dont criticize and stop decrying the neighbourly warning issues, especially when seen that people are hungry for God, but hungry for Him, going about it and doing it, the wrong way. When the proverbial shiit hits the fan, guess you'll there cleaning up, wiping and drying bums, right?

Create a separate thread and post your nonsense there.

gensteejay:
Create a separate thread and post your nonsense there.

Come make and force me to.
A brave person will be honest no matter how bitter the truth, but a coward hides behind silence, lies, deceit and the cloak of darkness. It is appalling how many people are aversed to honesty but are titillated by deceit, lies, delusions, false hopes and first grade nonsense.

MuttleyLaff:
Come make and force me to.
A brave person will be honest no matter how bitter the truth, but a coward hides behind silence, lies, deceit and the cloak of darkness. It is appalling how many people are aversed to honesty but are titillated by deceit, lies, delusions, false hopes and first grade nonsense.

Keep posting tripe then since you're jobless.

I didn't expect an ignorant person to know the meaning of "esoteric". If you did, you would know all the BS you quoted from the Bible is derailing this thread.

All the balderdash you post from your Bible is common knowledge to people that have studied your religion and its history.

I see jobless people like you around, who disturb our peace in the neighborhood with shouts of prayers to the devilish Jehovah and Jesus, even as early as 8am during week days when they are supposed to go out and work.

Pastors: Ignoble thieves and lazy bones clad in seemingly noble apparel.

My last response to you on this issue

gensteejay:
Keep posting tripe then since you're jobless.

I didn't expect an ignorant person to know the meaning of "esoteric". If you did, you would know all the BS you quoted from the Bible is derailing this thread.

All the balderdash you post from your Bible is common knowledge to people that have studied your religion and its history.

I see jobless people like you around, who disturb our peace in the neighborhood with shouts of prayers to the devilish Jehovah and Jesus, even as early as 8am during week days when they are supposed to go out and work.

Pastors: Ignoble thieves and lazy bones clad in seemingly noble apparel.

My last response to you on this issue

Talk and mouthing off is cheap
Esoteric knowldge without esoteric knowledge is a great mischief is all we've been saying. You dont have the temperance to delve into esotericism. Now run along like you already said you will

"The square, to square our actions; The compasses, to circumscribe and keep us within bounds with all mankind".