CANTICLES:


Visible means in a Material form ( Materialize) that can be seen Bodily . that Angel that roll wears a white cloth don't forget ? On which body ? a visible bodily form. Tell me it has blood . Materialize isn't about human or becoming human , its been visible .

Shepherd00:


Let me ask you the question the Lord asked Thomas. Does spirits have flesh and bones?

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
What does the bolded say clearly?


You are hoping you can upset me right? You failed.

Luke 24:31
And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
Has it occurred to you that Jesus veils the eyes of those He wishes even while he was alive?

Do you remember Him walking right through the Pharisees who wanted to stone him?


Luke 24:30 "Jesus took bread gave thanks and began to give it to them.
.**NOTE**
Jesus ate nothing , says Luke's gospel account

In other words Jesus never ate food after resurrection? Really? Okay here it is.
John 21:5 Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.

John 21:5, 10 Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.
Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.

John 21:5, 10, 12 Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.
Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.

Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.

Jesus ate and drank with His disciples, try as you may, the scriptures are here.


v31".then their eyes were opened and they recognized him and he disappeared from their sight"

What veiled their eyes before?


It is crystal clear that Jesus was raised a spirit.
v31 "he disappeared from their sight" after they recognized him.

How come he could be touched? Do you know Jesus is fully human in Heaven right now? Yes, He is the only Supernatural being who is human, but a glorified body.

Janosky:

"Jesus is fully human in heaven"
(John 3:3,5..1cor15:43-45,50)

**" Jesus veiled their eyes" lying Pharisee (John 8:59..10:39)
Jesus no veil anybody eyes oo!

Spirits (angels) who appeared on earth in human form had flesh and bones. Jesus ate,angels ate too ( Gen19:1-3. Luk24:43).


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Jesus appeared to his disciples in.different forms and they never recognized him until he revealed himself. or their eyes were opened .(Mark16:9-14. Lk24
Even after they had touched his flesh when he appeared to them with nail marks and wounds (John 20:27), later they still could not recognize him ( John 21:1,4).

1pet3:18.. Luk24:26 .1cor15:43-45 ,50) Jesus suffered dishonor as a criminal but was raised up in glory as a life giving spirit.
Stop deceiving yourself.

asalimpo:

see ur thinking. God sits on a throne, made of what? Wood from earths forest?
The angel slaying the enemies of hezekiah at night was using what? A physical sword?
The chariot of fire that took elijah upto heaven was made of what,earthly metal? The horses were what type ,egyptian breed? How could elijah even step into it?
When elisha was sorrounded by the enemy kings armies and he prayed that God would open the eyes of his servant,what did the servant see? Angels,in chariots. Did d angels take material form for him to see them? No. But bf seeing them were his eyes closed? No. So why does it say that God opened his eyes? Which eyes did God open? You see why ur theology is wacked? A pile of poo

CANTICLES:


I told you Materialize Is just a visible form to behold , Apply your definition to the below angel that speak to the women at Jesus tomb

" His [an angel] appearance was like lightning , and his clothing was as white as snow " Matthew 28:2,3

Humans have an appearance like lightning ? He needed blood to lighten up his appearance ? You don't know shi shi about the topic u are discussing .

CANTICLES:
Flesh in that scripture refers to earthly creatures, he must have brought it to prove that as they are not a Creature of this earth, they do not need blood to sustain a materialized flesh.

They are not humans , Birth of Nephilims are only recorded through their sexual relationship . this are giant and mighty men , Bullies . Definitely you can't compare that with You and I, or Shem, Ham and Japheth that are birthed by earthly humans.

Compare the John 3:13 quoted by Barrister , No human ascend or came down from heaven except the son of man.

Externally, appear human . but the workings of their body and the energy around them is beyond this world . so same reason they can have sex and eat . but the result of their Sexual relationship wasn't normal men but giant humans

Cover which spirit, that makes two different beings? A materialized body is just a visible form to behold and get the message across.

That's why you struggle to answer: if they need blood to sustain themselves , why can't Christ be sent as a materialized person rather than born ?

asalimpo:

Iow, God is a spirit, then bird's animals, are spirits too! Man is also a spirit . Is this what you r saying?
According to you, man is no better than an animal? Besides where is it called "life force"? That term sounds very occultic!

Emusan:


If not because you lack simple comprehension, the Scripture you quoted has already spelled out what the Angel looks like "His appearance was like LIGHTING" this is different from when the Scripture described angels appear in HUMAN FORM and DOES WHAT Human does!

Now you've brought another point to shot yourself, when this angel appeared in form of LIGHTING, does it mean the LIGHTING wasn't a real LIGHTING? If not they won't have been terrified...

Likewise the experience of Moses, when the angel appeared in form of FIRE, what happened was a REAL FIRE but notice what caught Moses attention... the BUSH WAS BURNING yet the bush wasn't CONSUMED

With this it's evident that you don't understand my point thus far on this thread, you just rush in to start spewing jargons.

For the last time... the point here is if ANGEL MATERIALIZED in HUMAN FORM...at that very moment... they appeared as REAL HUMAN

That is even why I went ahead to provide Dictionary meaning of the word MATERIALIZE which talks about flesh/bodily....in essence it means whenever we're talking about MATERIALIZED we're talking about HUMAN FLESH/BODY which is different from IMAGE like in TV

To agree that angel appeared in human form which means it has FLESH/BODY yet disagree that they don't need BLOOD but also arguing that if Jesus actually appeared with a real human flesh then the body must have BLOOD by quoting Leviticus is contradiction

The human image that appears on TV can't be held or touched but can make sound...

But if you agreed that an angel appeared, have sexual ORGAN and even went further to have intercourse with woman, eat and drink, people want to have canal knowledge with them...then this must be REAL HUMAN in essence.



Get sense...

Emusan:


If not because you lack simple comprehension, the Scripture you quoted has already spelled out what the Angel looks like "His appearance was like LIGHTING" this is different from when the Scripture described angels appear in HUMAN FORM and DOES WHAT Human does!

Now you've brought another point to shot yourself, when this angel appeared in form of LIGHTING, does it mean the LIGHTING wasn't a real LIGHTING? If not they won't have been terrified...

Likewise the experience of Moses, when the angel appeared in form of FIRE, what happened was a REAL FIRE but notice what caught Moses attention... the BUSH WAS BURNING yet the bush wasn't CONSUMED

With this it's evident that you don't understand my point thus far on this thread, you just rush in to start spewing jargons.

For the last time... the point here is if ANGEL MATERIALIZED in HUMAN FORM...at that very moment... they appeared as REAL HUMAN

That is even why I went ahead to provide Dictionary meaning of the word MATERIALIZE which talks about flesh/bodily....in essence it means whenever we're talking about MATERIALIZED we're talking about HUMAN FLESH/BODY which is different from IMAGE like in TV

To agree that angel appeared in human form which means it has FLESH/BODY yet disagree that they don't need BLOOD but also arguing that if Jesus actually appeared with a real human flesh then the body must have BLOOD by quoting Leviticus is contradiction

The human image that appears on TV can't be held or touched but can make sound...

But if you agreed that an angel appeared, have sexual ORGAN and even went further to have intercourse with woman, eat and drink, people want to have canal knowledge with them...then this must be REAL HUMAN in essence.



Get sense...

asalimpo:

you deliberately limit ur scriptures to those that support ur erroneous views. Why dont u mention other scriptures that shred ur views to pieces? Why cherry pick ? Your views dont mean anything. Only d truth matters.

True. Solomon said man is no better than animals
but Jesus said we are more valuable than animals (better than sparrows) ! Obviously contradictory statemnts,which do u chose? How dyu reconcile the two (or more contradictory verses)? You PICK the one you want to believe?

Emusan:


Listen to yourself, FLESH in that Scripture refers to EARTHLY CREATURES... and this earthly creatures need BLOOD to sustain but angel brought the same FLESH (which now means they are now part of this earthly CREATURES yet they don't need BLOOD to sustain their own FLESH)

The only thing you can say and I'll agree with you is if this appearance is like IMAGE...people can see image but can't touch or hold it....but unfortunately you're describing what is far higher than just image...having sexual organ, engage in physical sex activities, eat and drink

Lack of comprehension again, They are angel but before they engage in sexual relationship with woman THEY MUST HAVE BECOME HUMAN at that very moment... that's the point and get it in that your empty skull....

Idiot...but Elijah went to heaven..is he an angel or he got transformed body?

Funny enough, you just shouted up there that "They are not humans" only to contradict yourself in the next paragraph that "Externally, appear human"

How can something that is not human still appeared as HUMAN is one of seven wonders of jws

But do you also agree that a TRANSFORMED BODY will work differently as normal BODY?

You want to eat your cake and also have it.

This is a description of An IMAGE not a MATERIALIZED BODY

A MATERIALIZED BODY is BODILY...which means you can touch and hold it, that's why Jesus challenged Thomas to come and touch Him...for a spirit doesn't have FLESH and BONE as you see me have"

My advice for you, leave watchtower and awake and enroll for English class.



Struggle to answer you keh, when I've already dealt with it...

Jesus came for the children of Adam so He needs to be part of them in history and blood lines as a fulfilment of prophecies ...this has nothing to do with angels taking human form

Olodoo everywhere

CANTICLES:
They are not earthly, they still retain their angelic strength . Go back to that young man that appear to those women at Jesus tomb as a Young Man . and also study their giving birth to Nephilims

Add more.
Having shining clothing, lightening appearance ,
Read the man that appeared to Daniel at Chapter 10 with his super human description, yet he appeared as a man ( verse 5 )

If they become human, why are their offsprings Hybrids?

Elijah was transported to another location. Not heaven . ( John 3:13 is there for you ) Christ is the only spirit that came as a son of man. Others are angelic beings materializing to be visible

Study that young man at Jesus tomb very well . you will understand .

Nothing like transformed human body. Either human or spirit . when its materialized we know its a spirit trying to be visible.

You need to read Daniel 10 . an angel in human form , touching Daniel but not fully human by description.

Why the prophecy in the first place, if materializing can have the same effect as Fully Human?

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I don't just know why I burst into laughter the moment I saw the bolded , You lack objectivity. That angel I described for you with appearance like lightning @ Matthew 28, asking them to go to Galilee, is in HUMAN FORM

Mark 16:4 " When they entered into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a white robe, and they were stunned "

With that appearance and clothing, he is Fully Human?

Get sense

Emusan:


But they possess FLESH, isn't it and isn't FLESH an earthly property

What is the meaning of Nephilim?

Even your organization said they are SUPERHUMAN why not LESS/LOWER SPIRIT




The word SUPERHUMAN still appeared in your statement...

My key point which you can't still grasp is that, to say a spirit MATERIALISED means he took part in FLESH...you and your brother have not denied this but only trying to eat your cake and also have it...

By claiming that since they are angels they won't have blood...this is what lack of scriptural knowledge can cause...after rushing to Leviticus to claim that "The life of ALL FLESH is in the BLOOD"
Yet the angels that materialised by having FLESH must be excluded from that verse...talking about double standard!



Firstly, the word HYBRID isn't in the Bible, this word was coined by people like you to explain what the scripture didn't say.

Secondly, the statement of Gender 6:4 is about human GIANTS...

How do we know?
1. they bore sons to them.
2. They were the mighty ones of old times, the men of fame. (Notice: They were MEN)
3. Jehovah saw that man’s wickedness was great on the earth (Notice: everyone on earth at that time were called MAN)
4. Jehovah regretted that he had made men on the earth, and his heart was saddened. (God's regretted creating MEN on earth)
5. So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the surface of the ground (it was MEN God wants to destroy on the face of ground)

As you can see all references pointed to MAN...not any irregular being on earth...

But unfortunately your organization said the FLOOD destroyed all the nephilims

Which location was Elijah transported to?

Truly you people don't have shame...and it shows an extent you people can go to continue propagating lie...

This is account of Elijah...

As they were walking along, speaking as they walked, suddenly a fiery chariot and fiery horses made a separation between the two of them, and E·liʹjah ascended to the heavens in the windstorm. 2 king 2:11 NWT

NOTE: I didn't address John 3 because I'm not here for that and I know you don't understand what the verse is saying.

Apostle Paul talks about how people who are still alive will not die but CHANGE/TRANSFORMED yet you said there's nothing like that, something scripture boldly says.

Yet you'll be claiming to be a student of the scripture...smh!

This is what Daniel said in verse 7 "Only I, Daniel, saw the vision; the men with me did not see the vision.

Can't you see this is an IMAGE in manifestation and not MATERIALIZE account



Olodo...who did Jesus come to rescue? that's the point...


Lastly, stop using the word MATERIALIZE you don't know the meaning...

Maximus69:
Hmmm don't allow your anger to overshadow your reasoning!
Solomon and Jesus were both inspired by the same God,so they never contradicted one another. What they're both saying is the living are conscious of many things but at DEATH we're all equal! Ecclesiastes 9:4
How are WE all equal in light of the many things Jesus said?
Choose Hell or LIFE?
The wheat and the tares.
Goats and sheep?
How are we all equal?

God created all of us but humans are superior ONLY [b] Gen1vs20: And God SAID,Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life.
V24: And God SAID,Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind,cattle and creeping thing,and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so
v27: So God created man in his own IMAGE,IN THE IMAGE OF GOD CREATED HE HIM; MALE AND FEMALE CREATED HE THEM.
2v7: And the LORD God FORMED man of the dust of the ground,and breathed into his nostrils the breathe of life; and man became a living soul

you have to b dumb to say Man and animals are equal. In creating fish,birds. God simply spoke to the water. In creating other animals,God spoke to land. In creating man,God, USED HIS HANDS, FASHIONED MAN,THEN BREATHED INTO MAN! HOW daft can u ppl be? This is the scriptures? I've made my point using scriptures that's in your face. Stop talking nonsense and START thinking! Why didnt God FASHION FISH ND GOATS ND BREATHE INTO THEM FROM HIS NOSTRILS?
[/b]when we're alive to make use of our intellect in dominating other creatures! Gen1v28: ... and subdue the earth. and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air,and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
God gave man a dominion mandate. There is NOWHERE here where it is stated that man dominates BECAUSE of his intellect. Ofcourse,man has superior intellect but he is created and designed to dominate. It is in his nature (spirit) to dominate.
Genesis 1:26
But at DEATH all creatures become equal to dust! Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 [b] cherrypicking as usual! Please reconcile this with other verses that say otherwise. The richman lifting up HIS EYES in hell.
- Jesus injunction to Enter into life even if maimed (he wasnt talking to corpses? The ppl were alive nd listening to Him.
- stephen Giving up the ghost (his spirit) to God
- the soul of the widows son at zarephat,departing his body at death
- James saying the body dies when the spirit departs it

The issue,u are deluded and YOU want to be so. Because non of the junk they teach nd feed u in ur satanTower halls can even b supported soundly by scriptures.
Here are copious verses debunking the junk u propagate. Where u cant twist the truth,u resort to outright lying and falsifying the word to suit ur theology.
Solomon,described death from the physcal standpoint alone! Jesus and other authors expanded on it and described death from the physcal and spiritual standpoint.

The psalmist,prophesied that Jesus body wont DECAY and His soul WOULDNT STAY FOREVER in HELL!
AGAIN, clearly distinquishing between the different components of the human being.
[/b]
Jesus said human worth more because we were created in God's image to TAKE CHARGE OF THE EARTH! Psalms 115:16
Jehovah's Witnesses don bombard me with too much wisdom from the Bible,abegi i don pass your level Sir, go and collect all the tithes and offering you've been paying those Pastors back because you don't understand anything in the Bible!
- at least they dont hav issues understanding the bible like SELF RIGHTEOUS DELUDED brainscrubbed bunch,whom satanTower does ur thinking for.
Besides,while greedy pastors exploit God's sheep for monetary gain (nothing new,it's been going on a longtime,even in paul's days),tithe and offering is scripturally justified. But a false prophet is not. And a FALSE PROPHET WHO couldnt even nail 1 prophecy in over a century is a blatant embarrassmnt to his master satan they worst thing is for some1 to still follow d teachings of such a false prophet despite his string of failed predictions. Such a one needs to hav his head examined. How many failed prophecies are they concerning Jesus birth in the bible? Not even 1.

Janosky:


A lying Pharisee who doesn't know that the term 'spirit' has more than one meaning in his own copy of the Bible, anything you don't know or understand you label it "occultic".

But d1 wey your pastorpreneurs dey wear several rings on their fingers and wear pagan cross as ornaments ,dey invoke "asha bakiko sibo" (wetin witch doctor dey do) ,you no dey see am say na occult!

CANTICLES:

What happened to Elijahs servant happened to Balaam too , but he later saw an angel with a Sword. The word " Sword " indicates physical manifestation . since it could be recognized what a physical sword looks like.

Materializing takes many form .


Take a look at that account in luke again

“And it happened, as they [the women] were greatly perplexed about this behold, two men stood by them in shining garments” Luke 24:4

They look human but the shining garment clearly signifies they are not like ordinary men . in other instances these men were described as having a Lightning appearance .

So if you apply his wack definition , these two men must be human . when they are not

Emusan:


You're so dull to the extent that I don't know what I can compare you with...actually I can't discuss scripture with you because I've realized that you are supposed to join children department for Bible stories first before graduating to Bible study.

Look at the @bolden and @color tell me if you know one thing in the Bible

Adam was called the Son of God...even before the fall...yet you can open your dirty mouth to say... "Because the only time God had sons apart from angels is after he poured out holy spirit and anointed humans"

TATIME:
Sorry Sir,He forgot to tell you that Adam was the first and last REAL human son of God BEFORE HE SINNED!
So from amongst SINFUL humans the early Christians knows that none of us qualifies to be called son of God unless you're re~connected to him by water and spirit, that is the full meaning of 'born again' as you and i are born in sin!
Jehovah's Witnesses nah Baba i tell you!

TATIME:
Sorry Sir,He forgot to tell you that Adam was the first and last REAL human son of God BEFORE HE SINNED!

So from amongst SINFUL humans the early Christians knows that none of us qualifies to be called son of God unless you're re~connected to him by water and spirit, that is the full meaning of 'born again' as you and i are born in sin!

Jehovah's Witnesses nah Baba i tell you!

Emusan:


Liar, if you're talking about the account of Matthew 28 then you're wrong because what the scripture says is that "his COUNTENANCE was like lightning..."

See the way you're just twisting the scripture...

The first question a reasonable person will ask here is, were the angels described to have performed human activities or like what Jesus said..."touch me and see, for a SPIRIT does not have FLESH and BONES as you see me have"

Those appearance can be compared to 3D IMAGE where every part can be seen but can't be touched.


One can deduce from Jesus statement that "sometimes when spirit appears it's not always with flesh and bones but only the human image" that's why He challenged Thomas to come and touch Him...

So the notion I want to correct is that whenever you use the word MATERIALIZED stop confusing it with IMAGE because it simply means the entity/entities can be seen, touched and feel.

asalimpo:

So the sword that swings in the garden of eden is A PHYSICAL sword?
Look at what i said, angels either take on human form or the appear in their spirit form as they are so the human eye sees them. They were angels and chariots of fire when elisha was sorrounded by the enemy king. Did elisha's servant see them? No? Where they in physical chariots? No?
But they were there AND COULD DO REAL DAMAGE. God simply opened elisha's servant eyes (which one? His physcal eyes were already opened,that's y he saw d enemy in the first place) so that he saw into the spirit realm. Saw that those with them surpassed those against them.
Your argumnts collapse in view of cases like this.

CANTICLES:
The expression " sons of the true God " points to angels . The bible later refer to them as angels who left their proper abode

Question is: Why is there union producing GIANT Nephilims if they are fully human ? If they were men why did Nephilims end after the flood ?

You can show us Nephilims that survived beyond the flood ?

Neither do you understand it. Its another topic entirely

You lie too much

1 Cor 15:51 Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death , but we will all be changed

He didn't say they won't die. Death occurs before a person can sleep in death. But because of instant resurrection, such ones won't fall asleep in death not that they won't die.

And for that ressurection verse 44,49 clarifies, its raised in the image of the heavenly one because they have an heavenly hope not earthly body anymore.

Biggest Olodo as Yoruba people will say . ordinary image touch Daniel

Daniel 10:18 the one who looked like a man TOUCHED me again .

Is he fully human despite he materialized and with those description of him ?

CANTICLES:
Mark 16:4,5 relating the same event says his appearance his like a young MAN

Fully human with that countenance ?

You must be kidding

Must you lie ?

The reason he ask Thomas to come and touch was because Thomas himself vowed not to believe until he touched him. It has nothing to do with your image theory . that young man the women saw is in Bodily form , full of glory . even engage In a conversation with the women that they were terrified, even had to calm them . that look like it depends on blood to live or maintain his glory ?

An IMAGE according to you touched Daniel ?

Shifted from bodily form to touch. Well done

Emusan:


Sorry for your ignorance first not me



Now, this is where we're going.

So the Sons of God in Genesis are they fallen Angels? Remembered because of sin we're not qualified to be called sons of God.

Was that event happened before Satan and his Angels rebelled against God or after the rebellion

Don't derail my questions by bringing up irrelevant statements.




Yet you twist, misquote, misrepresent, and attack strawman argument....

Self delusion!

Emusan:


Did he have Flesh and bones? like Jesus

You're the real liar here...

Now, we can ask these questions:
1. Why would Thomas VOWED not to believe until he touched the resurrected Jesus if Jesus didn't resurrect with His body?
2. Shouldn't this indicate that Thomas was expecting to see a physical body before he made that vow?
3. Why Jesus didn't correct Thomas's view about resurrection but only to come and deceive him with fake body?

In fact, when Jesus appeared when thomas was not there the Scripture recorded it that they were first afraid and taught they have seen SPIRIT...yet what Jesus did was to correct that perception that No! what they see isn't SPIRIT but the real Him..that's why we read "Behold my hands and my feet, It is I myself...handle me and see for a SPIRIT has no flesh and bones as you SEE ME HAVE"

Jesus statement here was very clear and straight forward but only someone with a heart of devil will twist it.

Daniel was in a VISION....why so daft like this?

Emusan:


Off topic...

Now you have started using both GIANT and NEPHILIM together whereas Giant is the rendering of the Hebrew word nephilim

Imaging, see the question this olodo is asking me...when you suppose to explain to us why will God say He will destroy MAN but your Nephilim that aren't MAN was destroyed

Let's see the summary of your claim
1. Nephilim weren't human
2. God promised was to DESTROY HUMAN
3. How come everyone one earth was destroyed by the flood INCLUDING the nonhuman Nephilim?

In fact, the fact that you claim the flood destroyed the Nephilim is evident that they are human...if not the flood didn't suppose to have effect on them...



Pray tell us why the flood will affect the Nephilim when God promised to destroy ONLY HUMAN and EVERYTHING HE CREATED ON EARTH? Was Nephilim part of God creation on EARTH?

Or let me use your very word, are they earthly creatures

Which location was Elijah transported to according to the Scripture?

I can't stop laughing at your ignorance...

Death occurs before falling asleep in death, you're a real olodo...

So what will kill those people before resurrection taken place?

What happened to their dead body?

Also, why would their body change/transform after they have died

Are you now agree with us that the body that one died with is the same that will resurrect with?

After I showed you that Daniel was in a VISION you can still come to say thrash...

CANTICLES:
Now you can't deny he was in bodily form . Surely

U lack knowledge, it was after others have related their experience with Jesus to Thomas . this prompted him to want to witness the same .
. Which Christ Did .

He walked through Walls and ability to appear and disappear at will , make them imagine its a spirit, but he was Materialized in their presence, so could Say he is flesh and bones. But not flesh and blood.

After the contradictory what else do I need to say to a deluded person?

Jesus can say He is flesh and bones but not flesh and bones...only God can deliver you sha!

[quote]He wasn't in a Vision when he touched him ( Open your eyes and read Daniel 10:15-17 where Daniel discuss the vision with him )

Emusan:


Bodily form means he has flesh and bones...that was why asked...so answer my question.

CANTICLES:


You can't behold a spirit in their glories, he makes his angels spirits, flames of fire says the scripture, whatever you saw is a physical manifestation. Ezekiel saw beyond that, Angels in Human forms with Faces of lions, bulls face , Eagles Face . if you called this spiritual realm, I wonder what kind of blood they possess to maintain this flesh , maybe its Human blood, lions blood, or Eagles blood . its just physical manifestations Not their spirit form .

CANTICLES:


He was flesh and bone.

Daniel 10:18 isnt a vision , Verse 15-17 proved it.

So it was an image that touch Daniel?

TATIME:
Sorry Sir,He forgot to tell you that Adam was the first and last REAL human son of God BEFORE HE SINNED!
So from amongst SINFUL humans the early Christians knows that none of us qualifies to be called son of God unless you're re~connected to him by water and spirit, that is the full meaning of 'born again' as you and i are born in sin!
Jehovah's Witnesses nah Baba i tell you!