MuttleyLaff:
I have plenty more surprising facts for you, your squirming and agonizing days have just begun. If not that you elated177, jesusjnr etctera are afraid of answering questions, there are a few more, yet to let the cat out of the bag other enlightening and astonishing disclosures, like the "arsenokoites" word and all, that will leave you gobsmacked and in awe

budaatum:

If a thing is against the will of the Almighty God I'm absolutely certain God could come down from heaven and turn them to salt himself. As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord by loving one another and not by condemning others because of some false inflated idea that I am more righteous than they are when the case might be that I incur a huge dentist bill when I am told "I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me you evildoer!’"

Agrogbeide:
Na u sabi o. Bye bye

HenryDion:
Elated or whatever he calls himself is a typical example of a closet gay, dwelling in self-hate and depression, and wishing things were different. I know cause I have met many like him, who are gays but are anti-gay to the core. Nothing you say will change their mindset for as long as religion is at play.

HenryDion:
He has been deeply indoctrinated to believe that love between two humans of same same-sex is evil, an abomination!

HenryDion:
They believe they know the truth, and whatever truth you present is corrupt and a misinterpretation for as long as it contradicts them. Bigotry is their second name.

HenryDion:
Whether the male organ was designed for the vagina doesn't matter. If it mattered, he should be fighting against anal sex since even the female folks indulge in such. But no, he has to fight the gays cause they are out, something he can never find the balls or boldness to do. Should I call that jealousy...envy?

HenryDion:
Check well, his definition of love is 'sex centered', his mindset is screwed.

HenryDion:
Bro, dont waste your time arguing with these sardonic narcissist sadists, most of them have no life aside this forum. You will know by checking out the amount of time they spend here. Don't waste energy arguing with them, it won't lead anywhere.

HenryDion:
Whether they approve of gayism or not, it is here to stay and they should prepare to adapt.
Time is the only barrier.

Agrogbeide:
Whether praying for world peace, good health, prosperity, gay people etc, in as much they are not against the will of God it is fine. If you choose to make the first 3 your prayer point and I the last there is nothing wrong with it.
Thanks.
God bless.

HenryDion:


Elated or whatever he calls himself is a typical example of a closet gay, dwelling in self-hate and depression, and wishing things were different. I know cause I have met many like him, who are gays but are anti-gay to the core. Nothing you say will change their mindset for as long as religion is at play.

He has been deeply indoctrinated to believe that love between two humans of same same-sex is evil, an abomination!

They believe they know the truth, and whatever truth you present is corrupt and a misinterpretation for as long as it contradicts them. Bigotry is their second name.

Whether the male organ was designed for the vagina doesn't matter. It if mattered, he should be fighting against anal sex since even the female folks indulge in such. But no, he has to fight the gays cause they are out, something he can never find the balls or boldness to do. Should I call that jealousy...envy?

Check well, his definition of love is 'sex centered', his mindset is screwed.

Bro, dont waste your time arguing with these sardonic narcissist sadists, most of them have no life aside this forum. You will know by checking out the amount of time they spend here. Don't waste energy arguing with them, it won't lead anywhere.

Whether they approve of gayism or not, it is here to stay and they should prepare to adapt.

Time is the only barrier.

ShawttySoFyne:
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IamLucy:
I rarely comment but this thread oozes profanity and ignorance

MuttleyLaff:
I have plenty more surprising facts for you, your squirming and agonizing days have just begun. If not that you elated177, jesusjnr etctera are afraid of answering questions...

MuttleyLaff:
This is the reason, the elated177, the jesusjnr, the Agrogbeide, the etcetera of their bunch find it difficult to respond to battery of questions posed at them. All they do is putting out long winded posts to eat up the time whilst avoiding questions...

Preetti:
Add hypocrisy, that preaches one thing but do the opposite

elated177:


Mtcheeew.....rubbish. You this useless post is not worth my time.

TV01:



Rather funny and downright hypocritical that you should lay this charge at the door of others when you are demonstrably guilty of it yourself. I also note how you continuously allude to incorrect exegesis of scripture by others without actually proffering an interpretation of your own. Also noted is your haste to align with non-believers on their positions regards "homosexuality".

I previously asked you a few questions on this topic and you vanished like a puff of smoke . And now you are making repeated assertions of the cowardice, hypocrisy and artful dodging of others? You talk about long posts when your bloviate could by dint of the hot-air generated power a small city.

I'll repeat both sets of the - quite similar - questions I asked previously. Kindly respond to either or both sets. Let's see if what is required to deal with the likes of you is anything more than a stand-up fan on it's lowest setting .

Set 1 - https://www.nairaland.com/4935020/matter-homosexuality/5#76584975
1. The Lord Jesus referenced the creational purpose of male and female, was such a purpose creationally envisaged for SS unions? Yes or no.
2. If no, without clear biblical writ, and with clear biblical proscription, in a Christian sense, can such relationships be considered moral or sanctified (by the qualifiers you endlessly repeat or any other way)?
3. If yes, why was it nowhere modelled in scripture? What would be Gods blessing/outcome for them. Especially given how offspring & generational continuity are viewed biblically?

Set 2 https://www.nairaland.com/4935020/matter-homosexuality/6#76620145
1. Are SS attraction and SS relationships, part of Gods original creational intent?
2. If you respond yes to #1, could you advise what Gods intent for their unions would be
3. If you respond no to #1, kindly explain when such attraction and relationship appeared and, how we can confirm that God affirms them

Please respond succinctly and briefly, with no over-tossed, under-dressed word salad.


TV

^{Elated177, Agrogbeide - be encouraged and stand firm in His Might and in His Truth...}

budaatum:

I've heard that before, about condemning the act and not the person, but since homosexuals don't exactly act on the street I'm certain my condemnation will be seen as a condemnation of the person especially since I happen to know some gay people. More importantly though, why would I spend my talking to God time praying for gay people? Why am I not praying for world peace instead, or the end of poverty and sickness and an increase in God's blessings? Isn't that a very unhealthy obsession about what some other people do in their bedrooms which I should be praying God help me overcome instead of obsessing about another person's sexual activity?

I must remember to thank God for giving me a priority that does not obsess about another person's sexual activity.

TV01:



Rather funny and downright hypocritical that you should lay this charge at the door of others when you are demonstrably guilty of it yourself. I also note how you continuously allude to incorrect exegesis of scripture by others without actually proffering an interpretation of your own. Also noted is your haste to align with non-believers on their positions regards "homosexuality".

I previously asked you a few questions on this topic and you vanished like a puff of smoke . And now you are making repeated assertions of the cowardice, hypocrisy and artful dodging of others? You talk about long posts when your bloviate could by dint of the hot-air generated power a small city.

I'll repeat both sets of the - quite similar - questions I asked previously. Kindly respond to either or both sets. Let's see if what is required to deal with the likes of you is anything more than a stand-up fan on it's lowest setting .

Set 1 - https://www.nairaland.com/4935020/matter-homosexuality/5#76584975
1. The Lord Jesus referenced the creational purpose of male and female, was such a purpose creationally envisaged for SS unions? Yes or no.
2. If no, without clear biblical writ, and with clear biblical proscription, in a Christian sense, can such relationships be considered moral or sanctified (by the qualifiers you endlessly repeat or any other way)?
3. If yes, why was it nowhere modelled in scripture? What would be Gods blessing/outcome for them. Especially given how offspring & generational continuity are viewed biblically?

Set 2 https://www.nairaland.com/4935020/matter-homosexuality/6#76620145
1. Are SS attraction and SS relationships, part of Gods original creational intent?
2. If you respond yes to #1, could you advise what Gods intent for their unions would be
3. If you respond no to #1, kindly explain when such attraction and relationship appeared and, how we can confirm that God affirms them

Please respond succinctly and briefly, with no over-tossed, under-dressed word salad.


TV

^{Elated177, Agrogbeide - be encouraged and stand firm in His Might and in His Truth...}

elated177:



I know you think you are highly logical.

I don't know the god you are worshipping. People worship a lot of things. People quote the Scriptures of the Father in heaven, even preach his word, yet they have nothing whatsoever to do with him. They have no iota of regard for his Commandments. In any case, whenever a person quotes the Scriptures or says anything relating to the Scriptures, I will discuss with such person solely from the stance of the Scriptures. So, let me, for the purpose of this discussion, assume that the God you pray to is YHVH Almighty, the Creator of the ends of the earth, the owner of the Scriptures you claim to know and follow. He is my Father. He is my strength in the morning and my salvation in the time of distress.

You want to pray for world peace and more blessings of YHVH Almighty in the world, huh? Go on ahead, is anyone stopping you?

However, just so you know, YHVH of Hosts has already shown this world his mercy, peace and blessing by:

John 3:16 For YHVH so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Yahushua the Messiah did not come into the world to condemn to world but to save it. By so doing, he established two paths...salvation and condemnation.

John 3:17-18 For YHVH did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of YHVH's one and only Son.

After what the Messiah did, there is no other sacrifice for sin. When he ascended into heaven, he sent his Spirit into the world to set-apart those who believe in him and condemn those who do not believe. Read:

John 16:8-11 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: about sin, because people do not believe in me; about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me longer; and about judgment, because the prince of this world stands condemned.

So you see, budatum, anyone who does not believe in Yahushua the Messiah is condemned already and will remain so till such one repents and turns to YHVH's Salvation. If such one remains in the condemned state till death, then it is eternal condemnation that will the person's portion. Remember believe here includes obeying the Commandments of the Father in heaven. 1 John 2:6.

You want to pray for world peace and ignore the very things that defile the earth - sins - of which homosexuality is one of the most grievous.
Do you love those your homosexual friends at all? If you did, you would tell them the truth about the lifestyle they have chosen. But then, do you even know the truth?

Matthew 10:37-38 Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their stake and follow me is not worthy of me.

Sexual immoralities, such as homosexuality, open doors to demons. When demons come into the sphere of human dwellings, they cause a lot of problems by further influencing people to violate the Commandments of the Father in heaven.
The things that foster peace are love, justice, equity and fairness, which can only be found in the Word of life. It is obvious that the world has no regard and will not have any regard for the very template for love, justice, equity and fairness...the Ten Commandments of YHVH Almighty. Since the template is ignored, there can't really be peace, except that which exists in the graveyard... you know, where people are like zombies and no one lifts a finger to either challenge or rebel against oppression and wickedness.

Listen:

Luke 2:34-35 Then Simeon blessed them and said to Mary, his mother: 'This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against, so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your own soul too.'

Luke 12:49 I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

You see, budatum, sin defiles the earth.

Read:

Leviticus 18:24-25 Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, for all these were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

Also:

Isaiah 24:1-6 See, YHVH is going to lay waste the earth and devastate it; he will ruin its face and scatter its inhabitants - it will be the same for priests as for people, for master as for his servant, for the mistress as for her servant, for seller as for buyer, for borrower as for lender, for debtor as for creditor. The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered. YHVH has spoken this world. The earth dries up and withers, the world languishes and withers, the heavens languishes with the earth. The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore a curse consumes the earth; it people must bear the guilt. Therefore earth's inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.

The cup of this present world is not full yet. When it does, the Father will destroy it. He rain down fire on it and its people.

Every saint should emulate the Messiah by praying for the other saints whenever they are praying for themselves. Not praying for the world or such things as world peace.

John 17:9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.

John 17:14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.

Whose servant did you say you were again?
Homosexuality is an affront to creation.

There is only one Light that is the life of mankind...the Word of YHVH Almighty. John 1:4-5.

When this Light is acknowledged and accepted, peace reigns.

Isaiah 50:10 Who among you fears YHVH and obeys the word of his servant? Let the one who walks in the dark, who has no light, trust in the name of YHVH and rely on their Elohim (God).

The the rebellious of the world will reject this Light and will provide their light instead. Therefore, the world will continue to be in torment.

Read:

Isaiah 50:11 But now, all you who light fires and provide yourselves with flaming torches, go, walk in the light of your fires and of the torches you have set ablaze. This is what you shall receive from my hand: you will lie down in torment.

The Father in heaven,YHVH Almighty, said marriage is between a man and woman, but the world is now saying that a man can marry another man and a woman can marry another woman. It is now obvious that the world is walking in the light of the fires they have made.

The saints will not be misled by those who claim to follow our Master Yahushua the Messiah and still hold views clearly contrary to his word. Quoting Scriptures won't deceive us, even Satan and the demons know the Scriptures very well.

MuttleyLaff:
With this comment, I'll say, you know elated177 perfectly, completely and exactly. He sure, is a full of aggression piece of work.

Pastor Albert Odulele, founder of Glory House International Pentecostal Church, who confessed that he had been battling with his sexuality for many years. Late Bishop Eddie Long, senior pastor of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church another homophobic leader I am sure an average believer would be familiar of, now need I say more that these two bigots closeted gays got exposed as predators?

This is the reason, the elated177, the jesusjnr, the Agrogbeide, the etcetera of their bunch find it difficult to respond to battery of questions posed at them. All they do is putting out long winded posts to eat up the time whilst avoiding questions and using scriptures like Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10 as a justification for their ignorances and without minding the context

What these elated177, jesusjnr, Agrogbeide, etcetera jokers, dont know, is that I wouldnt, I will never, ever talk about something, if what I am talking about isnt true. I just wouldnt, if I dont have facts and the evidence to give others look at.

I don't want to come across as blowing my horn, but I am really qualified to broach the subject. It is unfamiliar territory for the elated177, jesusjnr, Agrogbeide, etcetera jokers, that is why none of them have the balls to stand toe to toe with me, the prospect unsettles them.

This is dope

That's right because some heterosexuals actually indulge in non-penile and/or penile anal sex

He probably doesnt know about Agape unconditional love, as he is more into Eros "sex centered" love, like you rightly noticed about him HenryDion.

nwanne, it's him, it's them the elated177, the jesusjnr, the Agrogbeide, the etcetera doing the arguing. I just, with their attitudes, want to drag each one of them to hell’s gate and in, then back if they decide not want to belong there. Notice I am exposing their ignorances and deceit without arguing but by unhurriedly sharing information and/or asking questions

"¹¹Asa did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, as his father David had done.
¹²He expelled the male shrine prostitutes from the land and got rid of all the idols his ancestors had made."
The only thing wrong with being gay, is how some people would treat you when they find out you are gay.
- 1 Kings 15:12

We can see from 1 Kings 15:12 above that gayism is not a new kid in the block phenonenom, it is a practice as ancient as the hills. Everything God made is good , including homosexuals, so I am for everything God made and against everything God made that is abused, ill-used, wrongly used and misused. Homosexuality is a gift of God, which if not abused, misused and/or ill-used can be a blessing for two consensual adults dedicated to each other. At the end of the day where there is love, there is God, and the two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, love each other with a love that is lasting, that's a lifetime, life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, causing no damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour. They both are at peace with themselves and God, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure, they love each other, they enjoy each other’s company, they are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and in some cases as we know, all these, without having sex, necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them.

The only thing wrong with being gay, is how some people would treat you, when they find out you are in the kind of relationship expressed in the above paragraph. It should have been an epiphany, when Paul, in his letter to the Galatians, wrote that "in Christ there is neither "male nor female""

The point being made, is that marriage, fundamentally is the union of the soul with God. Jesus' wife is the church. Israel was the unfaithful wife of God. Marriage, as we can see, intrinsically, is between two, it really dont matter if it is heterosexuals or homosexuals who are taking after and/or following this lovely, profound, beautiful and life-changing model.

God is love and he who abides in love, abides in God, that is Bible.
cc jesusjnr, elated177, Agrogbeide, Alexandro15, Baddiezz

budaatum:
You fail to realise one simple thing which is, nowhere does God tell anyone to condemn anyone, and while you condemn others, you yourself commit the greatest sin by breaking one of the most important laws of God which is to love your neighbour as much as you love yourself. As you say, "Yahushua the Messiah did not come into the world to condemn the world but to save it". If Yahushua does not condemn the world, why should his followers? Or does your scripture say "love only your neighbours who obey God"?

budaatum:


My gay friends are being loved. They already know the hypocrisy of your sort of Christian who abandons the Spirit of the Law and focuses on its letter. It is not for me to go about condemning them with some false sense of righteousness because of my Lord Lordism when I should be bothering about my own sinfulness and obey the commands of the Lord my God instead of focusing on whether my neighbour obeys God or not. As is written, "forgive those who trespass against me". And not so much that gay people trespass against me at all, they don't, but the more I forgive them, the more I too shall be forgiven by the Lord for my sins. And in the meantime, who's to say that the Power of the Love of Christ in me would not make them consider turning a new leaf, which your condemnation would never do?

budaatum:


Nowhere does it say that I should make my neighbours saints or condemn them or that I shall burn in hell for my neighbors sins, but that I should remove the forest out of my own eyes and cut off my own sinful limbs so that I may be the saint who does Christ's will, and not whatever it is you are who's focus is on condemning those who don't aim to be saints as if they are poking you with their pricks, or poking poo with your's!

elated177:

Like I stated earlier, you must think you are a logic expert. You are mixing logic with the Scriptures. You tend to discard any portion of the Scriptures that doesn't appear logical to you. What do expect when you mix Plato, Aristotle and Carl Gustav Jung and the Word of YHVH of Hosts.

This your deliberate attempt at emotional blackmail will continue to fail woefully.

What does it mean to condemn someone?

You see, budaatum, your cut and nail approach to Scriptures will never work on any servant of Yahushua the Messiah. It is obvious that you are hellbent on impressing your warped idea and interpretation of the Scriptures on the minds of others. Well, the saints of the Messiah Yahushua are not as gullible as you may be thinking. Use Scriptures to interpret Scriptures...in other words, let Scripture interpret Scripture. Do not use Plato, Aristotle and Carl Gustav Jung to interpret Scriptures.

You have lifted John 3:17 and quickly pasted it here without juxtaposing with it verse 18.
It is interesting to see that of all the Scriptures in quoted the message above, it is only John 3:17 that you saw fit to quote here. Could it be that, in a weird sort of a way, you thought it would support whatever it is you are trying to achieve here? What happened to John 16:8-11?

elated177:

Let me at this juncture, budaatum, ask you these questions: 1. Do you think homosexuality is a sin? 2. Do you, budaatum, accept the Scriptural stance on the detestable nature of homosexuality?

elated177:

If you, budaatum, wake up one morning and realize that your next door or any other neighbour in the premises where you live has been spraying poisonous substance through your windows and directly into your room whenever you go to bed, what will you do? Will you do any of these or something else:

1. Ignore such wickedness, forgive and continue to love them and hope against hope that they stop?
2.Confront them and plead with them to stop?
3. Confront them and fight with them?
4. Confront them, warn them sternly and call upon the sword of judgment of YHVH El Shaddai - if favoured to - on them? Will you or will you not call upon the heavens and the earth to curse them?

You can use the Scriptures, your knowledge in Plato, Aristotle or Jung to answer the question.

budaatum:

Homosexuality would be a sin if I did it because I am not that way inclined. If it is a sin against God, I'm sure God can turn them to salt himself.

As to scripture, I don't think it is any more a greater sin than not keeping the Sabbath Holy.


"Spraying poisonous substance through my windows and directly into my room", would be detrimental to my health, and since I am not yet ready to die, I would tell my neighbour to stop spraying poisonous substance through my window and into my room, and if they do not stop I shall fight them with the law. But a gay person is not poking his prick through my window and into my room, so I hardly see the similarities here. The gay person is, to stick to your analogy, spraying poisonous substance through his own window and into his own room. I might be concerned for his health of course, but if he does not heed my warnings, would the poisonous substance he sprays through his own window and into his own room kill me? I don't think it will unless we live in the same house in which case he's probably not my neighbour, but a member of my household, in which case I can kick him out if I have the authority to do so, or move out myself so the poison does not kill me. Pluck out your own eye if it offends, is how scripture has it, and not "pluck out your neighbours eye if your neighbours offends you!

MuttleyLaff:
With this comment, I'll say, you know elated177 perfectly, completely and exactly. He sure, is a full of aggression piece of work.

Pastor Albert Odulele, founder of Glory House International Pentecostal Church, who confessed that he had been battling with his sexuality for many years. Late Bishop Eddie Long, senior pastor of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church another homophobic leader I am sure an average believer would be familiar of, now need I say more that these two bigots closeted gays got exposed as predators?

This is the reason, the elated177, the jesusjnr, the Agrogbeide, the etcetera of their bunch find it difficult to respond to battery of questions posed at them. All they do is putting out long winded posts to eat up the time whilst avoiding questions and using scriptures like Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10 as a justification for their ignorances and without minding the context

What these elated177, jesusjnr, Agrogbeide, etcetera jokers, dont know, is that I wouldnt, I will never, ever talk about something, if what I am talking about isnt true. I just wouldnt, if I dont have facts and the evidence to give others look at.

I don't want to come across as blowing my horn, but I am really qualified to broach the subject. It is unfamiliar territory for the elated177, jesusjnr, Agrogbeide, etcetera jokers, that is why none of them have the balls to stand toe to toe with me, the prospect unsettles them.

This is dope

That's right because some heterosexuals actually indulge in non-penile and/or penile anal sex

He probably doesnt know about Agape unconditional love, as he is more into Eros "sex centered" love, like you rightly noticed about him HenryDion.

nwanne, it's him, it's them the elated177, the jesusjnr, the Agrogbeide, the etcetera doing the arguing. I just, with their attitudes, want to drag each one of them to hell’s gate and in, then back if they decide not want to belong there. Notice I am exposing their ignorances and deceit without arguing but by unhurriedly sharing information and/or asking questions

"¹¹Asa did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, as his father David had done.
¹²He expelled the male shrine prostitutes from the land and got rid of all the idols his ancestors had made."
The only thing wrong with being gay, is how some people would treat you when they find out you are gay.
- 1 Kings 15:12

We can see from 1 Kings 15:12 above that gayism is not a new kid in the block phenonenom, it is a practice as ancient as the hills. Everything God made is good , including homosexuals, so I am for everything God made and against everything God made that is abused, ill-used, wrongly used and misused. Homosexuality is a gift of God, which if not abused, misused and/or ill-used can be a blessing for two consensual adults dedicated to each other. At the end of the day where there is love, there is God, and the two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, love each other with a love that is lasting, that's a lifetime, life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, causing no damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour. They both are at peace with themselves and God, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure, they love each other, they enjoy each other’s company, they are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and in some cases as we know, all these, without having sex, necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them.

The only thing wrong with being gay, is how some people would treat you, when they find out you are in the kind of relationship expressed in the above paragraph. It should have been an epiphany, when Paul, in his letter to the Galatians, wrote that "in Christ there is neither "male nor female""

The point being made, is that marriage, fundamentally is the union of the soul with God. Jesus' wife is the church. Israel was the unfaithful wife of God. Marriage, as we can see, intrinsically, is between two, it really dont matter if it is heterosexuals or homosexuals who are taking after and/or following this lovely, profound, beautiful and life-changing model.

God is love and he who abides in love, abides in God, that is Bible.
cc jesusjnr, elated177, Agrogbeide, Alexandro15, Baddiezz

elated177:


Ludicrous!

As far as the Scriptures of YHVH Almighty are concerned, you, budaatum, have nothing to offer.

So what, you have read the Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation, it does not mean you have either the Letter or the Spirit.

It is obvious you dance around with the words of the Scriptures, almost like you are mocking the Scriptures. YHVH cannot be mocked. I am sure some folks may be impressed by the songs you sing on this forum with the words of the Scriptures cutting and nailing them wherever and however you see fit - definitely not a saint of YHVH Almighty.

It is clearly a sheer waste of time engaging you in any conversation bordering on Scriptures. You have no actual knowledge of what they say.

Whenever you really desire to learn what the Scriptures actually say, humble yourself and ask directly. I have taught you enough.

Michellekabod1:
I doubt christians abide in love, no! One Christian specifically told me love is conditional.
Christians are filled with self righteousness and selective love, the love your neighbor as yourself is only to those they deem worthy of love...

Michellekabod1:
A Christian once told me that I should never call or reach out to him EVEN IF I HAD ISSUES OR TO TELL HIM ANY PROBLEM BOTHERING ME because I purchased a red crystal ring he saw as demonic....
I don't know if I can ever see a Christian in positive light in my entire life

MuttleyLa ff:
Aw, what an unnecessary huge price to pay. Sometimes, the thing in our head is far worse than anything that could be misread from a book

You are a leopard, you cant get rid of your spots, I know that much but two consensual adults dedicated to each other is sexual immorality, c'mon, pull the other leg.

"I correct and discipline everyone I love. So be diligent and turn from your indifference."
- Revelation 3:19

Its not hard not to sympathise with you or love you. Have you not heard it said?:
If you go onto a battlefield, expect to be taken pot shots at

Well besides that, it is very simple Agrogbeide. It is because if you wont answer easy, simple, direct and straightforward questions, you can at least read and be aware of the truth, with cogent knowledge and information. Agrogbeide, you know that whatever I type and/or write can be fact-checked to see if it is true or not.

I mention you upadan on this issue of homosexuality, not because, I am hellbent on you changing your mind, but because I want you to see that something about you and your understanding on this issue of homosexuality, is not right, that you can fool yourself and everybody about it but not me. I will expose you to the truth and mark this down somewhere, this same truth, you fail to embrace today, will expose you tomorrow.

Knowledge is crucial, as truth cant be validated with or by ignorance. Ignorances are deadly but most as long as they feel good about it, like you do, don't care about being ignorant. There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to accept what is true. You are greedy, and so, going for both, at the same time. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
cc jesusjnr, Aexandro15, elated177, aphroditee

MuttleyLa ff:
Aw, what an unnecessary huge price to pay. Sometimes, the thing in our head is far worse than anything that could be misread from a book

You are a leopard, you cant get rid of your spots, I know that much but two consensual adults dedicated to each other is sexual immorality, c'mon, pull the other leg.

"I correct and discipline everyone I love. So be diligent and turn from your indifference."
- Revelation 3:19

Its not hard not to sympathise with you or love you. Have you not heard it said?:
If you go onto a battlefield, expect to be taken pot shots at

Well besides that, it is very simple Agrogbeide. It is because if you wont answer easy, simple, direct and straightforward questions, you can at least read and be aware of the truth, with cogent knowledge and information. Agrogbeide, you know that whatever I type and/or write can be fact-checked to see if it is true or not.

I mention you upadan on this issue of homosexuality, not because, I am hellbent on you changing your mind, but because I want you to see that something about you and your understanding on this issue of homosexuality, is not right, that you can fool yourself and everybody about it but not me. I will expose you to the truth and mark this down somewhere, this same truth, you fail to embrace today, will expose you tomorrow.

Knowledge is crucial, as truth cant be validated with or by ignorance. Ignorances are deadly but most as long as they feel good about it, like you do, don't care about being ignorant. There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to accept what is true. You are greedy, and so, going for both, at the same time. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
cc jesusjnr, Aexandro15, elated177, aphroditee

MuttleyLaff:
Look at TV01 up there, trying to do a comeback and feeling that elated177 and Agrogbeide needed him, to come join, defend their opinions and arguments. I just hope TV01 has come back to answer my original questions and answer them outright and directly without trying to change how I asked them

God is love and he who abides in love, abides in God, that is Bible, and so it is, with two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, who love each other with a love that is lasting, that's a lifetime, life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, causing no damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour. The two consenting adults, are at peace with each other and God, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure, they love each other and also love every one else, they enjoy each other’s company, they are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and in some cases as we know, without having sex , necessarily being the leading in their relationship or the most important thing for them.

MuttleyLaff:
The evidence of christians not abiding in love is overwhelming and rife, they read into the Bible, something the Bible does not and never says, in an attempt to make the Bible say what they wish it said. Yes content is ing, but context is king-maker, so therefore, nobody, nobagar, christian or not, the elated177, TV01, jesusjnr or Agrogbeide of this world, has the right to ignore context or to twist the Bible out of context, to make it say something it didnt say, never says and/or doesn't in contex mean.

"Elated177, Agrogbeide - be encouraged and stand firm in His Might and in His Truth..."
- by TV01(m): 12:27pm On May 07

Look at TV01 up there, trying to do a comeback and feeling that elated177 and Agrogbeide needed him, to come join, defend their opinions and arguments. I just hope TV01 has come back to answer my original questions and answer them outright and directly without trying to change how I asked them

God is love and he who abides in love, abides in God, that is Bible, and so it is, with two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, who love each other with a love that is lasting, that's a lifetime, life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, causing no damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour. The two consenting adults, are at peace with each other and God, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure, they love each other and also love every one else, they enjoy each other’s company, they are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and in some cases as we know, without having sex, necessarily being the leading in their relationship or the most important thing for them.

Hatred paralyzes life, love releases it. Hatred confuses life, love harmonizes it. Hatred darkens life, love illuminates it.

It is no secret that Christian(s), which are Constatine ones and whatnot, you can see in positive light, are few and far in between
cc Alexandro15, Baddiezz

Baddiezz:
Quit the incessant mentions

TV01:
Comeback ...I was never part of this discussion thread and I left the other one as you were devoid of answers...and still are it seems . And, I didn't think they needed me to join forces with them - I only joined to point out your blatant hypocrisy. As previous, I will answer your bogusly couched questions with the tone they deserve, as follows;

Answer
However you dress it up, the fact remains, same-sex physical intimacy is an abomination, depraved and against nature. To be clear, whether you defecate on a palm leaf or in a cistern of gold, it remains excrement.