Can someone tell me how what Jesus did is significant if we humans are immortal Souls . An immortal being cannot die, so it's useless saying some one came and gave it everlasting life.

Nutarious

Albhagdadi

Emusan

Shadeyinka

Barristter07

Malvisguy212

Olaadegbu

Bernimoore

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Jesusjnr

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Other forum members who claims to witness for Jesus

Obviously this question smacks of the height of spiritual blindness and ignorance of the Way, the Truth, and the Life that Jesus is.

Not surprising it emanated from the highly flawed doctrines of the modern day Pharisees aka Jehovah witnesses that come in the come in the sheep clothing of Jesus disciples.

Proof that human souls can die:

Matthew 10:28 (KJV)

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

My problem with you Jehovah witnesses is why the hypocrisy when you truly don't believe in Jesus?

Thank God it's becoming exposed.

If you really want to discuss, Mr OneJ, promise that you and your fellow witnesses will quote scriptures from the King James Version, not your NWT.

Also, they must post the words of the Bible verses they mention here.

Failure to abide by that is the height of insincerity which will prove you all as Jehovah's False Witnesses.

Jozzy4:
Can someone tell me how what Jesus did is significant if we humans are immortal Souls. An immortal being cannot die, so it's useless saying some one came and gave it everlasting life.

@bold your premises is wrong humans AREN'T immortal souls but HAVE immortal souls

We were created to live on earth with our physical body where we relate with God through our spirits.

The day Adam sinned against God the physical body was subjected to destruction, so Jesus came to give us back the first physical body to live forever.

Jozzy4:
Can someone tell me how what Jesus did is significant if we humans are immortal Souls . An immortal being cannot die, so it's useless saying some one came and gave it everlasting life.

Nutarious

Albhagdadi

Emusan

Shadeyinka

Barristter07

Malvisguy212

Olaadegbu

Bernimoore

Image123

Jesusjnr

Janosky


Other forum members

Everlasting life isn't just about living forever!

Everlasting life is about spending your eternity in the presence of God.

Hell Fire was prepared for satan and his angels.
Mat 25:41:
"Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"

Here, those who have Everlasting Separation (Second Death) from God are put (God's Refuse Dump).

I have explained this to you before: death isn't an annihilation: Death is a Separation or a Disconnection

If Jesus died on the cross, can an unconscious do what He was doing in the Scriptures below:

1Pet 3:19:
"By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison;"

1Pet 4:6:
"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

shadeyinka:

Everlasting life isn't just about living forever!

Everlasting life is about spending your eternity in the presence of God.

Hell Fire was prepared for satan and his angels.
Mat 25:41:
"Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"

Here, those who have Everlasting Separation (Second Death) from God are put (God's Refuse Dump).

I have explained this to you before: death isn't an annihilation: Death is a Separation or a Disconnection

If Jesus died on the cross, can an unconscious do what He was doing in the Scriptures below:

1Pet 3:19:
"By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison;"

1Pet 4:6:
"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

Define Everlasting LIFE . you ain't talking to a kid @brown .

Simple English . LIFE that is everlasting .

Am waiting

jesusjnr:
Obviously this question smacks of the height of spiritual blindness and ignorance of the Way, the Truth, and the Life that Jesus is.

Not surprising it emanated from the highly flawed doctrines of the modern day Pharisees aka Jehovah witnesses that come in the come in the sheep clothing of Jesus disciples.

Proof that human souls can die:

Matthew 10:28 (KJV)

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

My problem with you Jehovah witnesses is why the hypocrisy when you truly don't believe in Jesus?

Thank God it's becoming exposed.

Are you saying Human soul can die ? Doesn't continue to exist after death ?

alBHAGDADI:

If you really want to discuss, Mr OneJ, promise that you and your fellow witnesses will quote scriptures from the King James Version, not your NWT.

Also, they must post the words of the Bible verses they mention here.

Failure to abide by that is the height of insincerity which will prove you all as Jehovah's False Witnesses.

Address the issue .

Emusan:


@bold your premises is wrong humans AREN'T immortal souls but HAVE immortal souls

We were created to live on earth with our physical body where we relate with God through our spirits.

The day Adam sinned against God the physical body was subjected to destruction, so Jesus came to give us back the first physical body to live forever.

Why change his words ?
Jesus said he came to give mankind LIFE .not just physical body Mr .

Life definition:

the existence of an individual human being or animal.

So in short he came to give mankind continued existence.

So how could this be if man himself is by default immortal as a Soul ?

Jozzy4:


Define Everlasting LIFE . you ain't talking to a kid @brown .

Simple English . LIFE that is everlasting .

Am waiting

The right question isn't that: the right Question are:
1. Are all deaths in the scripture Physical?
2. What kind of death are we talking about? (Physical, Spiritual or Second)
Gen 2:17:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die."

Jozzy4:


Are you saying Human soul can die ? Doesn't continue to exist after death ?

Can you hear your hypocrisy?

I believe in Jesus and what He says, so what Jesus said there is what i'm saying, and that's why I provided it for you as proof that the human soul can die.

So instead of asking me hypocritical questions, why not just plainly state if you believe what Jesus said there is true or not?

For it's impossible to believe what Jesus said and yet not believe that the human soul can die.

Except you're saying that something can be killed or be destroyed and yet not die.

Jozzy4:

Why change his words ?
Jesus said he came to give mankind LIFE .not just physical body Mr .

Life definition:

the existence of an individual human being or animal.

So in short he came to give mankind continued existence.

So how could this be if man himself is by default immortal as a Soul ?

And the body won't have life bah...

Jozzy4:
Are you saying Human soul can die ? Doesn't continue to exist after death ?

Where did you read that?

The verse pointed out that only God has power to destroy human soul...why is simple English so difficult for you people to understand?

Jozzy4:
Can someone tell me how what Jesus did is significant if we humans are immortal Souls . An immortal being cannot die, so it's useless saying some one came and gave it everlasting life.

Nutarious

Albhagdadi

Emusan

Shadeyinka

Barristter07

Malvisguy212

Olaadegbu

Bernimoore

Image123

Jesusjnr

Janosky


Other forum members who claims to witness for Jesus

your question is wrong, what do you understand by the word "soul" ? what did the Bible teach about soul ? can soul die ?
this question demand that we both must be in agreement of what the Bible teach about soul.

A good start will be. can a soul die ? the Bible say YES . who is able to destroyed soul ? the Bible say God.

malvisguy212:

your question is wrong, what do you understand by the word "soul" ? what did the Bible teach about soul ? can soul die ?
this question demand that we both must be in agreement of what the Bible teach about soul.

A good start will be. can a soul die ? the Bible say YES . who is able to destroyed soul ? the Bible say God .

You guys are contradicting yourself .

Can something destroyed by God still have EVERLASTING LIFE In HELL ?

Emusan:


Where did you read that?

The verse pointed out that only God has power to destroy human soul ...why is simple English so difficult for you people to understand?

I won't want to drag this with u again, Or else you make a scene of yourself . keep in mind it says Body and soul in Hell


So this soul we are talking about is not an immaterial entity, its together with the Body in that same Hell of your translation.

Emusan, are people u believe are in hell presently with their BODIES ?

jesusjnr:
Can you hear your hypocrisy?

I believe in Jesus and what He says, so what Jesus said there is what i'm saying, and that's why I provided it for you as proof that the human soul can die.

So instead of asking me hypocritical questions, why not just plainly state if you believe what Jesus said there is true or not?

For it's impossible to believe what Jesus said and yet not believe that the human soul can die.

Except you're saying that something can be killed or be destroyed and yet not die.

Die like the Body dies ?

Jozzy4:
I won't want to drag this with u again, Or else you make a scene of yourself . keep in mind it says Body and soul in Hell


So this soul we are talking about is not an immaterial entity, its together with the Body in that same Hell of your translation.

are people u believe are in hell presently with their BODIES ?

The problem you're having isn't lack of comprehension only but couple with literature review.

Jesus first statement was "who can kill the body but not able to kill the soul"

This is in reference to man

This simply means two different things are involved here "BODY" and "SOUL"

MAN can kill the BODY but can't Kill the SOUL

This is a plain proof that BODY is different from SOUL

True or false?

This destroyed your claim that SOUL and person are the same.

The second part read "fear him who can destroy both body and soul in hell"

Looking at this statement without academic bias one can see that this overhauled what MAN can't do against THE SOUL in the first statement.

Is this true or not?

Lastly, your reference to "BODY and SOUL in hell" means you didn't understand the scripture because hell has different meanings...

Now, let me turn this to you, if someone killed a wicked man it means the wicked will not resurrect according to your theology. Now compare this with the statement of Jesus isn't that means the person who killed the wicked man KILLED HIS BODY AND SOUL? which is what Jesus said no man can do.

Emusan:


The problem you're having isn't lack of comprehension only but couple with literature review.

Jesus first statement was "who can kill the body but not able to kill the soul"

This is in reference to man

This simply means two different things are involved here "BODY" and "SOUL"

MAN can kill the BODY but can't Kill the SOUL

This is a plain proof that BODY is different from SOUL

True or false?

This destroyed your claim that SOUL and person are the same.

The second part read "fear him who can destroy both body and soul in hell"

Looking at this statement without academic bias one can see that this overhauled what MAN can't do against THE SOUL in the first statement.

Is this true or not?

It simply means Only God can decide to either Ressurect a soul or destroy it completely .

But man can only kill the body , but not the Life ( or existence )

God gives a resurected person a new body, since the former was killed , But the exact same person returns to Live

Lastly, your reference to "BODY and SOUL in hell" means you didn't understand the scripture because hell has different meanings...

Hahaha, So what does hell means here ?
Again: Body and soul in hell

Now, let me turn this to you, if someone killed a wicked man it means the wicked will not resurrect according to your theology. Now compare this with the statement of Jesus isn't that means the person who killed the wicked man KILLED HIS BODY AND SOUL? which is what Jesus said no man can do.

Who judges him as Wicked so as not to deserve Ressurection ?

Jozzy4:
It simply means Only God can decide to either Ressurect a soul or destroy it completely.

What will God destroy when nothing exists again?

You people know there must be something left in man that God will use to restore man back to life but always adamant to say it.

But man can only kill the body , but not the Life ( or existence)

Isn't the body that is in existence

What is inside the body that remains

You're just contradicting yourself....

God gives a resurected person a new body, since the former was killed , But the exact same person returns to Live

Just look at the @underlined statements and see how dubious you are...

"Resurrected PERSON is given a new BODY"
Where was that PERSON before resurrection

For EXACT same PERSON to return to life, it means something is left in the person, if not what you're describing here is RECREATION and not resurrection.

Hahaha, So what does hell means here ?
Again: Body and soul in hell

Jesus already established that man can kill the BODY, if man can kill the BODY, where is the body going?

The second statement of Christ is centered on where man's ability is limited which is "SOUL" and it's only God who has the power to destroy it but this will happen after the BODY is gone.

Who judges him as Wicked so as not to deserve Ressurection ?

And in your English class you were not taught on something called illustration.

Jozzy4:


Die like the Body dies ?

Is the human soul like the human body?

You should just admit that you Jehovah witnesses don't believe in Jesus or His saying, so stop pretending to His disciples when you're not!

This matter has already been settled that a human soul can die, and that's gives credence to the death of Jesus which was purposed by God to redeem it from that death.

jesusjnr:
Is the human soul like the human body?

You should just admit that you Jehovah witnesses don't believe in Jesus or His saying, so stop pretending to His disciples when you're not!

This matter has already been settled that a human soul can die, and that's gives credence to the death of Jesus which was purposed by God to redeem it from that death.

Does " Die " now takes a different meaning from what it means in the statement " body dies " ?

If its different, can you explain how the soul die, let's see if it doesn't have eternal life by default ?


Cc: jozzy4

Nice thread

Emusan:


The problem you're having isn't lack of comprehension only but couple with literature review.

Jesus first statement was "who can kill the body but not able to kill the soul"

This is in reference to man

This simply means two different things are involved here "BODY" and "SOUL"

MAN can kill the BODY but can't Kill the SOUL

This is a plain proof that BODY is different from SOUL

True or false?

This destroyed your claim that SOUL and person are the same.

The second part read "fear him who can destroy both body and soul in hell"

Looking at this statement without academic bias one can see that this overhauled what MAN can't do against THE SOUL in the first statement.

Is this true or not?


Lastly, your reference to "BODY and SOUL in hell" means you didn't understand the scripture because hell has different meanings...

Now, let me turn this to you, if someone killed a wicked man it means the wicked will not resurrect according to your theology. Now compare this with the statement of Jesus isn't that means the person who killed the wicked man KILLED HIS BODY AND SOUL? which is what Jesus said no man can do.

Na wah! Are there different hellfires or you mean the translation is wrong ?

Getting more interesting

Emusan:


What will God destroy when nothing exists again?

You people know there must be something left in man that God will use to restore man back to life but always adamant to say it.



Isn't the body that is in existence

What is inside the body that remains

You're just contradicting yourself....



Just look at the @underlined statements and see how dubious you are...

"Resurrected PERSON is given a new BODY"
Where was that PERSON before resurrection

For EXACT same PERSON to return to life, it means something is left in the person, if not what you're describing here is RECREATION and not resurrection.

Ecclesiastes 12:9

" Then the dust returns to the earth just as it happened to be and the spirit itself returns to the true God who gave it "

Something returns to the maker which is restored to make the person whole again, spirit/breath of LIFE .

Let me stop here and watch u play chess again, then you just might be caught in your own game .

Jesus already established that man can kill the BODY, if man can kill the BODY, where is the body going?

The second statement of Christ is centered on where man's ability is limited which is "SOUL" and it's only God who has the power to destroy it but this will happen after the BODY is gone.



And in your English class you were not taught on something called illustration.

Stop telling lies, Hahahaha
Jesus said God will destroy ~~~Both ~~~ Body and Soul In that same Hell ( KJB ) ? ? ? Which one is after body is gone again , is the body not present in hell anymore ? Wahala wa o

Barristter07:


Na wah! Are there different hellfires or you mean the translation is wrong ?

Getting more interesting

It means your reasoning is wrong

And your dull brain has forgotten that hell is used for both grave and a place of torment for the wicked.

Emusan:


It means your reasoning is wrong

And your dull brain has forgotten that hell is used for both grave and a place of torment for the wicked.

You confirm translation error !

Jozzy4 , this thread will do some factory settings , Shadeyinka and albhagdadi see your partner admiting Hell is use for Grave , something you both vehemently denied . its all right . wahala dey the enemy camp like one friend of mine do say

Emusan, Which one does hell means here, Grave or place of torment ? One thing is certain the body is present in this hell.

Jozzy4:


Who judges him as Wicked so as not to deserve Ressurection ?

Getting interesting I must say. I still don't know why someone who believes in eternal torment not just admit the wicked also have everlasting life. In that case , Jesus did nothing special . how much it must have hurt Christ to see all this False doctrines and tradition of man obscure Gods gift to man ?

Barristter07:


You confirm translation error !

Jozzy4 , this thread will do some factory settings , Shadeyinka and al.bhagdadi see your partner admiting Hell is use for Grave , something you both vehemently denied . its all right . wahala dey the enemy camp like one friend of mine do say

Emus.an, Which one does hell means here, Grave or place of torment ? One thing is certain the body is present in this hell.

So you've read that thread of mine but could respond to it because it's too hot for you.

alBHAGDADI:


So you've read that thread of mine but could respond to it because it's too hot for you.

Jozzy4 and Janosky are already giving you tough time in there , probably you are stylishly inviting me. No wahala

Besides, I called your attention to how someone admit something you have vehemently denied