blueAgent:


Which scripture?

You deny the word of God that proves that God and his son are 2 different personalities and you are here claiming scripture said.

your problem us that you dont understand trinity.

Trinity simply states that God is one being but exist as three individuals and that each individual or persons are distinct from each other but are one God.
God is a trinity of persons, we humans are not hence we find it dufficult to understand. It is like trying to understand four dimension using three or lower dimension. Your problem is that you are trying to box God into your level.

solite3:
your problem us that you dont understand trinity.

Trinity simply states that God is one being but exist as three individuals and that each individual or persons are distinct from each other but are one God.
God is a trinity of persons, we humans are not hence we find it dufficult to understand. It is like trying to understand four dimension using three or lower dimension. Your problem is that you are trying to box God into your level.

Solite3, You are ALLERGIC to the truth.
John10:30,where is the holy spirit?

God is a spirit, John4:24. NOT God is spirits.

*@ 1 Cor15:45....
This, indeed, is what is written: "The first
man, Adam, became a living being." The last
Adam became a life-giving spirit.


Fraud man Pharisee, a living being, whether human being or spirit being, is one person, one individual, or one person.
The concept of triune God is man made.
Yahweh our God is one Yahweh, Deut6:4.

John17:3, Jesus Christ says his Father is the only true God. NOT triune God.

Janosky:


Solite3, You are ALLERGIC to the truth.
John10:30,where is the holy spirit?

God is a spirit, John4:24. NOT God is spirits.

*@ 1 Cor15:45....
This, indeed, is what is written: "The first
man, Adam, became a living being." The last
Adam became a life-giving spirit.


Fraud man Pharisee, a living being, whether human being or spirit being, is one person, one individual, or one person.
The concept of triune God is man made.
Yahweh our God is one Yahweh, Deut6:4.

John17:3, Jesus Christ says his Father is the only true God. NOT triune God.

You need psychological examination

Jesus is God

Jesus is God – What does the Bible say about Jesus’ deity?
Does the Bible, which is the earliest and most historically reliable source, actually say Jesus is God? What does it tell us about Jesus and His identity?

Let’s take a brief look at a few of the many passages that clearly and consistently answer that question, straight from the pages of Scripture. We’ll begin by going back an additional 700 years before the life of Christ, to the Old Testament book of Isaiah.


Jesus is God – Prophecies
Divine Messiah predicted in the Old Testament
Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”1

“Immanuel” literally means: “God with us.” See also Matthew 1:23; Jesus was “God with us.”

This Messiah would be born a human son, but have a higher nature
Isaiah 9:6: “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

This was a radical statement coming from a monotheistic Jewish prophet -- especially calling a human being “Mighty God”; but one that God fulfilled centuries later in Christ.

A couple hundred years later, but still more than half a millennium before Jesus walked the earth, more was predicted about the Messiah’s divine nature
Daniel 7:13-14: “There before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven . . . He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.”

“Son of Man” was the primary title Jesus used for Himself -- and this passage shows that this was a clear and strong claim of deity. And in Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, He also included the unmistakable phrase, “coming on the clouds of heaven” and applied it to Himself (Mark 14:62). His listeners got the point, refused to believe it, and added it to their reasons to try to kill Him.

Jesus is God – His Earthly Ministry
The baby Jesus worshiped by the Magi
Matthew 2:11: “On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him.”

Along with being led to the site where Jesus was born, these Magi were apparently informed by God about Jesus’ divine identity, and so they responded appropriately by worshiping Him.

Jesus accepted worship from His disciples
Matthew 14:32-33: “And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’”

In a Jewish culture, only the one true God can be worshiped; their actions show that they acknowledged Jesus as being divine. And Jesus didn’t correct them or say, “Don’t you realize that I’m just a mortal prophet? Stop worshiping me!” Rather, He accepted their worship, knowing He really was God in human flesh.

Jesus’ claim about Himself
John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.”

This is a powerful double claim from Jesus: first, that He pre-existed His human birth and was actually alive and present (as God) before Abraham; second, that His title was “I am” -- which was the same title used for Jehovah God in Exodus 3:14. His listeners again got the point, and picked up stones to execute Him!

Another of Jesus’ claims of deity
John 10:30-33: “‘I and the Father are one.’ Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.’”

The Deity of Christ and the
New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses




Note: verse references marked with a "*" indicate a clear reference to Christ's Deity in the NWT.

WHO IS GOD?
Jehovah
*Deuteronomy 6:4 – Jehovah our God is one Jehovah
*Deuteronomy 32:39 – no gods with Jehovah
No Other "Gods"
*Isaiah 44:6-8 – besides me there is no God. There is no Rock besides me.
*Isaiah 43:10 – Before me there was no God formed.
*Isaiah 45:5, 22 – with the exception of me there is no God.
*Isaiah 46:8-11 – no other God, nor anyone like me.
No Other "gods"
*Deuteronomy 32:39 – no gods with Jehovah
*Exodus 20:2-3 – must not have any other gods

ALL OTHER GODS OR gods ARE FALSE
Baal
*Judges 6:31 – Baal, God
Dagon
*Judges 16:23-24 – Dagon, god
Satan
*2 Corinthians 4:4 – Satan, god
Herod
*Acts 12:21-23 – Herod, a god

ARE THERE MANY GODS OR MANY gods?
*Psalm 96:4-5 – One True God by nature
*Galatians 4:8 – those who by nature are not gods.
*1 Corinthians 8:4-5 – One God in 8:4. Verse 8:5 is referring to idols who by nature are not gods, as seen in Galatians 4:8
This helps us understand that being God is much more than a title or a name. It is the very nature of the being so described as God. God is God because of who he is, not because people call him God.

WHO IS LORD?
God
*Acts 17:24 – God, Lord of heaven and earth
*Ephesians 4:5-6 – One Lord... one God and Father
*Acts 4:24 – God... Sovereign Lord
*Acts 17:24 – God... Lord of Heaven and Earth
Jehovah
*Deuteronomy 10:17 – Jehovah is Lord of lords
*1Timothy 6:15 – Jehovah is Lord of lords
Jesus
*1 Corinthians 8:6 – one Lord, Jesus Christ
*Jude 4 – our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ
*Romans 10:9 – Jesus is Lord
*Revelation 17:14, 19:16 – Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of lords.
*Luke 2:11 – there was born to you today a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
This verse (Luke 2:11) shows that Jesus was born Lord, not that he became Lord later.

HOW MANY LORDS ARE THERE?
One Lord
*Ephesians 4:5-6 – One Lord... one God and Father
*1 Corinthians 8:6 – one Lord, Jesus Christ
*Jude 4 – our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ

WHO IS SAVIOR?
God
*Titus 1:3 – Our Savior, God
*Titus 3:4 – Our Savior, God
*1 Timothy 1:1 – God, our Savior
*2 Samuel 22:3 – God my Savior
*Psalm 7:10 – God, a Savior
*Psalm 17:7 – God, o Savior
*Psalm 106:21 – God their Savior
*Isaiah 43:3 – God your Savior
*Isaiah 45:15 – God of Israel, a Savior
*Luke 1:47 – God my Savior
*1 Timothy 2:3 – our Savior, God
*1 Timothy 4:10 – God, who is a Savior
*Titus 2:10 – our Savior, God
*Jude 25 – the only God our Savior
Jehovah Alone
*Isaiah 43:11 – I am Jehovah and besides me there is no savior
*Isaiah 45:21 – Jehovah alone is Savior
*Hosea 13:4 – No savior but Jehovah
*Isaiah 49:26 – I, Jehovah, am your Savior and Repurchaser
*Isaiah 60:16 – I, Jehovah, am your Savior and Repurchaser
Jesus
*Philippians 3:20 – we are eagerly waiting for a savior, the Lord Jesus Christ
Titus 2:13 – we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Jesus Christ.
NWT introduces [the] into the previous verse to obscure that Jesus is called God there.
*Titus 1:4 – God [the] Father and Christ Jesus our Savior
*Titus 3:6 – Jesus Christ our Savior
2 Peter 1:1 – our God and [the] Savior Jesus Christ.
NWT adds [the] to the previous verse to obscure the fact that Jesus is called God there.
*John 4:42 – the savior of the world
*Acts 5:31 – Chief Agent and Savior
*Acts 13:23 – a savior, Jesus
*Ephesians 5:23 – a savior of [this] body
*2 Timothy 1:10 – our Savior, Christ
*2 Peter 1:11 – the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
*2 Peter 2:20 – the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
*2 Peter 3:2 – Who is being spoken of here? Jehovah or Jesus?
*2 Peter 3:18 – our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
*1 John 4:14 – the Father has sent forth his Son as Savior of the world

WHO IS LORD?
God
*Acts 17:24 – God, Lord of heaven and earth
*Ephesians 4:5-6 – One Lord... one God and Father
*Acts 4:24 – God... Sovereign Lord
*Acts 17:24 – God... Lord of Heaven and Earth
Jehovah
*Deuteronomy 10:17 – Jehovah is Lord of lords
*1Timothy 6:15 – Jehovah is Lord of lords
Jesus
*1 Corinthians 8:6 – one Lord, Jesus Christ
*Jude 4 – our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ
*Romans 10:9 – Jesus is Lord
*Revelation 17:14, 19:16 – Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of lords.
*Luke 2:11 – there was born to you today a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
This verse (Luke 2:11) shows that Jesus was born Lord, not that he became Lord later.

HOW MANY LORDS ARE THERE?
One Lord
*Ephesians 4:5-6 – One Lord... one God and Father
*1 Corinthians 8:6 – one Lord, Jesus Christ
*Jude 4 – our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ

WHO IS SAVIOR?
God
*Titus 1:3 – Our Savior, God
*Titus 3:4 – Our Savior, God
*1 Timothy 1:1 – God, our Savior
*2 Samuel 22:3 – God my Savior
*Psalm 7:10 – God, a Savior
*Psalm 17:7 – God, o Savior
*Psalm 106:21 – God their Savior
*Isaiah 43:3 – God your Savior
*Isaiah 45:15 – God of Israel, a Savior
*Luke 1:47 – God my Savior
*1 Timothy 2:3 – our Savior, God
*1 Timothy 4:10 – God, who is a Savior
*Titus 2:10 – our Savior, God
*Jude 25 – the only God our Savior
Jehovah Alone
*Isaiah 43:11 – I am Jehovah and besides me there is no savior
*Isaiah 45:21 – Jehovah alone is Savior
*Hosea 13:4 – No savior but Jehovah
*Isaiah 49:26 – I, Jehovah, am your Savior and Repurchaser
*Isaiah 60:16 – I, Jehovah, am your Savior and Repurchaser
Jesus
*Philippians 3:20 – we are eagerly waiting for a savior, the Lord Jesus Christ
Titus 2:13 – we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Jesus Christ.
NWT introduces [the] into the previous verse to obscure that Jesus is called God there.
*Titus 1:4 – God [the] Father and Christ Jesus our Savior
*Titus 3:6 – Jesus Christ our Savior
2 Peter 1:1 – our God and [the] Savior Jesus Christ.
NWT adds [the] to the previous verse to obscure the fact that Jesus is called God there.
*John 4:42 – the savior of the world
*Acts 5:31 – Chief Agent and Savior
*Acts 13:23 – a savior, Jesus
*Ephesians 5:23 – a savior of [this] body
*2 Timothy 1:10 – our Savior, Christ
*2 Peter 1:11 – the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
*2 Peter 2:20 – the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
*2 Peter 3:2 – Who is being spoken of here? Jehovah or Jesus?
*2 Peter 3:18 – our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
*1 John 4:14 – the Father has sent forth his Son as Savior of the world

WHO IS OWNER AND LORD?
Jesus
*Jude 4 – our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ
*Ephesians 4:5-6 – one Lord, one faith. Who is the one Lord? Jehovah or Jesus?

WHO FORGIVES SINS?
God
*Mark 2:7 – God alone can forgive sin
*Luke 5:21 – God alone can forgive sin
Jesus
*Mark 2:5-7, 10 – Jesus forgives sin
*Luke 5:24 – Jesus forgives sin

WHO PURCHASED CHURCH WITH HIS OWN BLOOD?
God
Acts 20:28 – Why is [Son] in brackets? How can this be "understood" without being in the Greek text explicitly?

SAVED BY FAITH IN WHO?
Jesus
*Acts 4:12 – There is not another name under heaven by which we must be saved. Whose name is this?
*Acts 10:43 – everyone putting faith in him gets forgiveness of sins through his name. Who is "him?"
*John 1:12 – to them he gave authority to become God's children, because they were exercising faith in his name
*John 3:16 – everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life
*1 John 3:23 – this is his commandment, that we have faith in the name of his Son Jesus Christ
*1 John 5:13 – you may know that you have life everlasting, you who put your faith in the name of the Son of God
*Romans 3:19-26, 28 – man is declared righteous by faith in Jesus
*Romans 10:9 – declare that Jesus is Lord and exercise faith... for salvation

WHO CREATED ALL THINGS?
God
*Ephesians 3:9 – God, who created all things
Jehovah alone
*Isaiah 44:24 – I, Jehovah..., stretching out the heavens by myself. This does not allow for a "junior partner" in creation. Jehovah clearly states that He Himself created the heavens without the aid of anyone else.
*Isaiah 48:13 – My own hand laid the foundation of the earth and my own right hand extended out the heavens. This does not allow a "junior partner" in creation. See also Hebrews 3:1-4
Jesus
*John 1:1-3 – all things came into existence through him. If Jesus is a created being then he is a "thing". But this verse says all "things" came into existence through Jesus. This excludes Jesus from the realm of "things" and puts him in the class of being uncreated, eternal, not part of the created world.
Colossians 1:16 – by him all [other] things were created. What is [other]? How can that be "understood" if it isn't present in the original language?
Revelation 3:14 – arkhe = beginning Note: same arkhe applied to Jehovah in Revelation 21:5-7 – How is Jehovah the "beginning" as the WT demands that arkhe must be translated? [Should You Believe In The Trinity? p.14]
*Psalm 102:24-27– Who? Jehovah?
*Hebrews 1:10-12 – This is a direct quote of Psalm 102:24-27 and is applied to Jesus. See also Isaiah 44:24

Is Jesus a "master worker" with Jehovah in creation?
WT says yes from Proverbs 8:3. Proverbs 8 is a personification of Wisdom speaking in a feminine voice (which NWT does not accurately reflect even though WT has confessed of the speaker's feminine gender in Proverbs 8.) See Proverbs 7:4 and 9:4 for the gender of "wisdom" in Proverbs. Why did the NWT translate wisdom in chapter 8 as "it" instead of "she" as the original language indicates?

WHO IS FIRST AND LAST?
Jehovah
*Isaiah 44:6, 8 – Jehovah says I am the first and I am the last
*Isaiah 48:12 – Jehovah says I am the first and I am the last
Jesus
*Revelation 1:17-18 – I am the First and I am the Last, and the living one; and I became dead...
*Revelation 2:8 – the First and the Last, who became dead and came to life again
*Revelation 22:12-13, 20 – Look! I am coming quickly, ... I am the first and the last
*Revelation 22:16, 20 – I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you... Yes; I am coming quickly.
*Revelation 4:8 – Holy is Jehovah God, the Almighty, who was, and who is, and who is coming.

WHO IS ALPHA AND OMEGA?
Jehovah
*Revelation 1:8 – Jehovah is the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty
Jesus
*Revelation 22:12-13 – Alpha and Omega = first and last. Who is this?
*Revelation 22:16 – Shows Jesus as speaking in vs. 12-13
*Revelation 1:12-18 – Who is the Son of man? Jesus. What does he call himself? First and Last. First and Last = Alpha and Omega = the Almighty. Jesus is Almighty God.
*Revelation 22:12-13 – Alpha and Omega is "coming." Is Jehovah "coming?"

SHOULD WE BOW BEFORE ANOTHER GOD OR god?
No
*Exodus 34:14 – Don't prostrate before another god.
Jesus
*Philippians 2:9-11 – Knees bend at the name of Jesus
Father
*Ephesians 3:14 – Knees bend before the Father

WHO RECEIVES WORSHIP?
God
Matthew 4:10 – Worship the Lord God only
Jesus
In all of these verses the NWT has replaced the word "worship" with "obeisance."
Matthew 2:2, 11 – Magi worship Christ
Matthew 14:33 – Disciples worship Jesus
Matthew 28:9 – Mary worships Jesus
Matthew 28:16-17 – The eleven worship Jesus
John 9:38 – The healed blind man worshipped Jesus
Hebrews 1:6 – All angels worship Jesus
Revelation 5:11-14 – Millions of angels worship Jesus
People worshipped other people or angels and were rebuked for it. See Revelation 19:10; 22:8-9; Acts 10:25

What is obeisance?
Watchtower defines it as follows, "used to designate the custom of prostrating oneself before a person..." (Reasoning, p.215) Applying the Watchtower's own definition of obeisance to the verses describing people giving obeisance to Jesus, we could say that they "prostrated themselves before a god" since Jesus is "a god" in Watchtower theology. This is a clear and logical conclusion to reach by following the Watchtower's own definition of obeisance and who they believe Jesus is. Upon reaching this conclusion we need to go immediately to the following verse.
*Exodus 34:14 – For you must not prostrate yourself to another god, because Jehovah, whose name is Jealous, he is a jealous God.
While the Watchtower attempts to draw the unwarranted conclusion that "obeisance" to Jesus is somehow different than worship, their own definition of obeisance leads them into clear and direct conflict with Exodus 34:14. Either Jesus is God or those rendering obeisance to him are guilty of "prostrating themselves before another god."
This refutes the Watchtower's claim that "obeisance" to Jesus is ok because it is not worship. The Watchtower has inadvertently admitted that worship is given to Jesus in the Reasoning book p. 214. The question is stated as follows, "Does the fact that worship is given to Jesus prove that he is God?"

JESUS NAME IS EXALTED IN NEW TESTAMENT
*Matthew 18:20 – where 2 or 3 are gathered together in my name
*Luke 10:17 – demons are made subject to us by use of your name
*Acts 16:18 – I order you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her
*Luke 24:47 – on the basis of his name repentance for forgiveness of sins would be preached
*John 1:12 – to them he gave authority to become God's children, because they were exercising faith in his name
*John 3:16 – everyone exercising faith in him
*Acts 10:43 – everyone putting faith in him gets forgiveness of sins through his name
*1 John 3:23 – this is his commandment, that we have faith in the name of his Son Jesus Christ
*1 John 5:13 – you may know that you have life everlasting, you who put your faith in the name of the Son of God
*Acts 4:12 – there is not another name under heaven... by which we must be saved
*John 14:13-14, 26 – whatever you ask in my name, I will do it
*Acts 3:16 – our faith in his name has made this man strong
*Acts 4:7-10, 30 – healing and signs come in the name of Jesus
*1 Corinthians 1:2 – with all who everywhere are calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ
*Ephesians 1:21 – far above every name named
*Philippians 2:9-11 – the name that is above every other name
*Acts 1:8 – you will be witnesses of me

WHO KNOWS MEN'S HEARTS?
Jehovah alone
*1 Kings 8:39 – Jehovah alone knows all men's hearts
Jesus
*Revelation 2:23 – Jesus searches the hearts of all men
*Matthew 9:4 – Jesus knew their thoughts
*Matthew 12:25 – Jesus knew their thoughts
*Luke 6:8 – Jesus knew their reasoning
*Luke 9:47 – Jesus knew the reasoning of their hearts

FULLNESS OF DEITY
Jesus
Colossians 2:8-9 – What does KIT say? Divine quality or Deity? What does "all" mean? What does "fullness" mean? Theotes vs. Theiotes or Essence vs. Quality. Theotes is "fullness" used here to describe Jesus, showing that the "essence of God dwells in him bodily." It isn't a question of him having divine qualities. Instead it shows that he is God in the flesh.

WHO IS THE SHEPHERD?
Jehovah
*Psalm 23:1 – Jehovah is my Shepherd
*Isaiah 40:10-11 – Jehovah is like a shepherd
Jesus
*John 10:11 – Jesus is the fine shepherd

WHO IS MIGHTY GOD?
Jehovah
*Isaiah 10:20-21 – the Mighty God, Jehovah
*Jeremiah 32:18 – the mighty one, Jehovah
Jesus
*Isaiah 9:6 – Jesus is Mighty God

IS JESUS GOD?
In all but the last verse of the following references the NWT mistranslates each one.
Titus 2:13
Hebrews 1:8
Psalm 45:6
2 Peter 1:1
1 John 5:20
*Isaiah 9:6 – Mighty God

IS JESUS JEHOVAH?
*Romans 10:9-13 – Publicly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead and you will be saved.
*Romans 10:9 – (Whose name are you calling on for salvation?)
*Romans 10:10 – With the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation. (What public declaration? That Jesus is Lord.)
*Romans 10:11 – None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed. (Who is "him?" He is the subject of verses 9 and 10, Jesus.)
*Romans 10:12 – One Lord, rich to those calling on him. (On who? Verse 9 identifies that we are to call on Jesus by name.)
*Romans 10:13 – For "everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved." (Return to verse 9 to see whose name must be called on to be saved. It is Jesus. What Paul was doing in vs. 9-13 was clearly explaining that Jesus is God based on OT verses about God (Joel 2:32) applied directly to Jesus. Verse 9 and verse 13 are references to the same profession that saves, precisely that Jesus is Lord. Verse 13 is identifying the same one to call on for salvation that is named in verse 9.)
*Ephesians 1:21 – Jesus' name above every name in this system and the system to come
*Acts 4:12 – Salvation in Jesus' name alone
*Philippians 2:9 – Jesus' name above every other name
*Exodus 34:12-15 – Jehovah's command not to prostrate before other gods. Note that Jehovah condemns little "g" gods here. If JWs were to bow before Jesus then according to their theology they would be bowing before a little "g" god. This would violate Jehovah's command. But Jehovah has said that at the name of Jesus every knee will bend. (Philippians 2:9-11) Would Jehovah command that people bend their knees to Jesus when he has expressly forbidden bowing before other gods?
*Ephesians 3:14 – compare with Philippians 2:9
*Isaiah 45:22-24 – for OT parallel of bowing to the Father that Paul was quoting in Philippians 2:9 – and applying to Jesus in saying that "every knee will bend down and every tongue will swear". It is a direct quote from the OT referring to Jehovah and is applied clearly and directly to Jesus. Paul definitely believed that Jesus is Jehovah.
Zechariah 14:3-5 with Matthew 25:31 and Acts 1:11-12 – Who is returning with the holy ones? Jesus or Jehovah?
Zechariah 14:5 with 1 Thessalonians 3:13

IS JESUS ALMIGHTY?
*Hebrews 1:3 – He sustains all things by the word of his power. Is this mighty or almighty? Could anything less than "all might" sustain "all things?"
*Revelation 4:8 – Jehovah God, who was and is and is to come, the Almighty. Who is coming? Jehovah or Jesus?
*Revelation 22:20 – Jesus is coming as identified in Revelation 4:8. Jesus is Almighty God.

IS JESUS OMNIPRESENT?
*Matthew 18:20 – Where 2 or 3 are gathered together in my name
*Matthew 28:20 – I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things

DOES JESUS HAVE ALL AUTHORITY?
*Matthew 28:18 – all means all

WHAT IS HEADSHIP?
*1 Corinthians 11:3 – Headship, not quality of being. Is man a superior human in quality compared to woman? No. Therefore this verse cannot be teaching that Christ is inferior to the Father if it is not teaching that women are inferior to men. If it is teaching that Christ is inferior in quality to the Father, then language demands that the same inferiority of quality be applied to women, and we know that it cannot be.

WHAT DOES FIRSTBORN MEAN?
*Colossians 1:15 – Jesus is firstborn of all creation. Does this refer to order of creation or to the headship of Christ? The Greek word used is proto-tokos. There is a different Greek word that specifically means 'first created', proto-tiktos.
*Psalm 89:20-27 – David was not born first.
Also, who was Joseph's firstborn? See Genesis 41:50-52, Genesis 48:1-20, Psalm 89:27, and Jeremiah 31:7-9

Lets solve this like this

You can be a Father to your House

You can also be a Consultant Doctor at work


You can also be a Chief, a Head or a Pastor in Church


All your roles present 3 persons in relationship

The Question will be that, are this 3 personality one?

As a Doctor there is a way you would have behaved,

As a Pastor it will be different

Same goes as a Father to your children


All this talks of relationships

Check this scripture

Isaiah 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

Same person 3 Roles that are not same.


Father, Word =Jesus and the Holy Spirit.


I heard aquirment that Jesus Called God God, but there are scripture where The Father called the Son God too?


You doubt me?

Let's use Jehovah witness scripture

From the Edited version Jehovah witness came up with, God is saying the Throne of the Son Is God.

Funny how the Devil blinded the Author to tru and change this scripture but it doesn't make sence with alignment to Jehovah witness doctrine that Jesus throne will be God?


So let's use other Interpretations or Version, i use King James well accepted most



Hebrews 1:8-9 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.


In King James, The Father called the Son God


The Question the Jehovah Witness Scholars have not answered is if Jesus throne is a God throne then He is God.

Remember Ephesians 1 vs 10 Butress this Point.


The Son was nevee the Son from the Beginning, the disrespect many of you have for Jesus is because He came down and Become the Son and carey Flesh, this was the Revelation J9hn 1vs 1 is helping us to understand especially if you check the Word Was.


3 personality but same God.

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Jesus is God – What does the Bible say about Jesus’ deity?
Does the Bible, which is the earliest and most historically reliable source, actually say Jesus is God?

Jesus is God – Prophecies
Divine Messiah predicted in the Old Testament
Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”1

“Immanuel” literally means: “God with us.” See also Matthew 1:23; Jesus was “God with us.”

This Messiah would be born a human son, but have a higher nature
Isaiah 9:6: “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

**2)
A couple hundred years later, but still more than half a millennium before Jesus walked the earth, more was predicted about the Messiah’s divine nature
Daniel 7:13-14: “There before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven . . . He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.”

“Son of Man” was the primary title Jesus used for Himself -- and this passage shows that this was a clear and strong claim of deity. And in Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, He also included the unmistakable phrase, “coming on the clouds of heaven” and applied it to Himself (Mark 14:62). His listeners got the point, refused to believe it, and added it to their reasons to try to kill Him.

Jesus is God – His Earthly Ministry
The baby Jesus worshiped by the Magi
Matthew 2:11: “On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him.”

Along with being led to the site where Jesus was born, these Magi were apparently informed by God about Jesus’ divine identity, and so they responded appropriately by worshiping Him.

Jesus accepted worship from His disciples
Matthew 14:32-33: “And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’”

In a Jewish culture, only the one true God can be worshiped; their actions show that they acknowledged Jesus as being divine. And Jesus didn’t correct them or say, “Don’t you realize that I’m just a mortal prophet? Stop worshiping me!” Rather, He accepted their worship, knowing He really was God in human flesh.

Jesus’ claim about Himself
John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.”

This is a powerful double claim from Jesus: first, that He pre-existed His human birth and was actually alive and present (as God) before Abraham; second, that His title was “I am” -- which was the same title used for Jehovah God in Exodus 3:14. His listeners again got the point, and picked up stones to execute Him!

Another of Jesus’ claims of deity
John 10:30-33: “‘I and the Father are one.’ Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.’”

**1)
Isaiah 7:14...
10 And יהוה spoke again to Aḥaz, saying,
11 “Ask a sign for yourself from יהוה your
Elohim; make deep the request or make it
high.”
12 But Aḥaz said, “I do not ask nor try יהוה!”
13 And he said, “Hear now, O house of
Dawiḏ! Is it not enough that you weary men,
that you weary my Elohim also?
14 “Therefore יהוה Himself gives you a sign:
Look, the maiden conceives and gives birth
to a Son, and shall call His Name
Immanu’ĕl "
Compare Isaiah 9:6.

Solite3 FRAUD theorist exposed....
Isaiah 7:10-14, Yahweh NEVER said he is the son conceived by the maiden.
Solite3 ,Isaiah 7:10-14. 9:6. Matt1:23, do NOT support the FRAUD you have manufactured.

**@2).

Dubious solite3, Daniel 7:13,14, "He was given authority, glory and sovereign power",
who gave Jesus ( the son of man ) that "authority" in heaven?
** I challenge You to dodge my question.

"Greek "ego eimi" meaning ' I exist'
John8:58 Jesus says,"before Abraham was born, I have been in existence."
,John8:1-59, Christ NEVER said he is the God of Abraham.
Acts 3:13 and Exodus 3:14,15, Jesus Christ is NOT the God of Abraham and Moses.

**John10:29,33-36 ,Jesus DISPROVE your fraud of John10 vs30-33.
Rom15:6,'one voice' means agreement.
Matt 19:5,6 'one' means agreement.,NOT one being.
1 Cor6:16,'one' is agreement of illicit (sex) covenant, NOT one being.
John10:29, "my Father is greater than all.
John10:30" my Father and I are (in agreement).

Solite3 fraud theorist, eleyi gidigaan of lie,lie.

solite3:

You need psychological examination

Straw man desperado..... Because your FRAUD have been laid bare . John17:3, did Jesus lie ?

nutarious:


I heard aquirment that Jesus Called God God, but there are scripture where The Father called the Son God too?


You doubt me?

Let's use Jehovah witness scripture

From the Edited version Jehovah witness came up with, God is saying the Throne of the Son Is God.

Funny how the Devil blinded the Author to tru and change this scripture but it doesn't make sence with alignment to Jehovah witness doctrine that Jesus throne will be God?


So let's use other Interpretations or Version, i use King James well accepted most



Hebrews 1:8-9 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.


In King James, The Father called the Son God


The Question the Jehovah Witness Scholars have not answered is if Jesus throne is a God throne then He is God.

Remember Ephesians 1 vs 10 Butress this Point.


The Son was nevee the Son from the Beginning,


.

Nutarious , Romans 8:3 & Hebrew 1:1-2,5 addressed your claim...
"The Son was nevee the Son from the Beginning"
*** Yahweh brings his son into the World, NOT Yahweh brought God into the world.

,Food for thought......
@1)
Hebrew 1:9, "Therefore,
God,your God anointed Jesus... ".
Jesus was anointed by his Father.
When & who anointed the Father of
Jesus?
Answer: Nobody.
**@2)
Hebrew1:5, Jesus is God's son.
His Father is a son of whom?
Who is the God of the Father of
Jesus?.
Answer: Nobody.

***@3). Hebrew 1:8 is a copy of
Psalms 45:6.
At no time did Jews claim their human
king is God because Psalms 45:6 is
synonymous with 1Chro28:5 & 1Chro
29:23.
"Your divine throne is forever". That's
the accurate rendition. Compare
Rev3:21.

(Not 'Your throne oh God" FRAUD.)

*** The million dollar question:***
Why Hebrews 1:8 of NWT, JB and RSV (with Footnote) is CORRECT than KJV?
** Hebrew 1:8 is a copy of Psalms 45:6(RSV).
Hebrews 1:8 Revised Standard Version
(RSV)
8 But of the Son he says,
“Thy throne, O God,[ a ] is for ever and ever,
the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy[ b ]
kingdom.
Footnotes:
a. Hebrews 1:8 Or God is thy throne
b. Hebrews 1:8 Other ancient authorities
read his"
Psalm 45:6 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
6
Your divine throne[ a ] endures for ever and
ever.
Your royal scepter is a scepter of equity;
Footnotes:
a. Psalm 45:6 Or Your throne is a
throne of God,"

Note: @Revelation 3:21 Jesus Christ himself confirms ACCURACY of Hebrews 1:8 Or God is thy throne"

Q1:
Who is the human ancestor of Jesus
Christ?
Answer: king David. Luke1:32.

Q2:
Whose throne did Jesus inherit ?
Answer: Luke 1:32,33. throne of David.

@Q3)
The throne of David is whose throne ?
Answer: 1Chro28:5. 29:23.
Yahweh's throne is David's throne..
Psalms 45:6, & Hebrew 1:8
CORRECTLY reads " Your divine throne
is Forever."
Rev 3:21, in the spiritual realm ,Jesus
says he sits on Yahweh's throne.
That is Yahweh's throne is David's throne, Luke1:32,33. 1Chronicles 28:5. 29:23.

*** Nutarious, you MUST dig deeper than the surface to see the truth.

nutarious:
Lets solve this like this

You can be a Father to your House

You can also be a Consultant Doctor at work


You can also be a Chief, a Head or a Pastor in Church


All your roles present 3 persons in relationship

The Question will be that, are this 3 personality one?

As a Doctor there is a way you would have behaved,

As a Pastor it will be different

Same goes as a Father to your children


All this talks of relationships

Check this scripture

Isaiah 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

Same person 3 Roles that are not same.
Ephesians 1:10...

3 personality but same God.

**Ephesians 1:3,17 praised the God and Father of our lord Jesus who exalted his son in verse 10.

ROMANS 8:3
... So God did what the law could not
do. He sent his own Son in a body like the
bodies we sinners have. And in that body
God declared an end to sin’s control over us
by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sin"

Nutarious ,pls stop deceiving yourself.
Yahweh did not come to earth in the flesh read John 6:46, John5:37. 17:3.
Romans 8:3 ,Paul confirms that Jesus Christ spoke the truth in John6:46, John5:37. 17:3.
Jesus says he is NOT Yahweh.
Matt 3:16,17, Yahweh says he is NOT Jesus.
God is NOT "3 persons but same God."
Almighty God Yahweh is NOT a job description.

Janosky:

Straw man desperado.....
Because your FRAUD have been laid bare .
John17:3, did Jesus lie ?

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ/™

of course Jesus doesn't lie confused one, but you do


Joh 17:3  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 

of course Father is the only true God
the Word is the only true God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.




Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

everything that was created was created by Jesus, Jesus is uncreated, oh duh pharisee

johnw47:




™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ/™

of course Jesus doesn't lie confused one, but you do


Joh 17:3  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 

of course Father is the only true God
the Word is the only true God:

Johnw FRAUD man, shame on you.
John17:3, Jesus Christ gives PROOF you're a confirmed Pharisee fraud man.
Thanks for your John 17:3 quote.

Janosky:


Johnw FRAUD man, shame on you.
John17:3, Jesus Christ gives PROOF you're a confirmed Pharisee fraud man.
Thanks for your John 17:3 quote.

ha ha ha, who understands less? you or beelzebub/Agent



™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ


Joh 17:3  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 

of course Father is the only true God
the Word is the only true God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.




Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

everything that was created was created by Jesus, Jesus is uncreated, oh duh pharisee

Janosky:


ROMANS 8:3
... So God did what the law could not
do. He sent his own Son in a body like the
bodies we sinners have. And in that body
God declared an end to sin’s control over us
by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sin"

Nutarious ,stop deceiving yourself.
Yahweh did not come to earth in the flesh read John 6:46, John5:37. 17:3.

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

confused one
YAHWEH is a name for God, God is Father and the Word, Father and the Word is YAHWEH
it's not the Father that became man but the Word

Janosky:
Romans 8:3 ,Paul confirms that Jesus Christ spoke the truth in John6:46, John5:37. 17:3.
Jesus says he is NOT Yahweh.

cannot stop lying - twisting God's word
Jesus didn't say he is not YAHWEH, the verses show that He is not the Father

Janosky:
Matt 3:16,17, Yahweh says he is NOT Jesus.

YAHWEH never said He is not Jesus, the Father said,"this is my beloved Son"
Father and the Word is God, john 1:1, the word became flesh, john 1:14, oh lying twister

Janosky:
God is NOT "3 persons

yet you cannot show it even with your twisting and lying

Janosky:
but same God"

whatever that means, do you mean one God, laugh

Johnw FRAUD man ,shame on you LIAR. :DJohnw FRAUD man ,shame on you LIAR.

Janosky:
Johnw FRAUD man ,shame on you LIAR.
:DJohnw FRAUD man ,shame on you LIAR.

™false accuser lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

ha ha, of course you have nothing but your lies and false accusing:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:


Note: @Revelation 3:21 Jesus Christ himself confirms ACCURACY of Hebrews 1:8 Or God is thy throne"

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

twister of God's word who cannot say the truth
Jesus didn't confirm that God is His throne
Jesus confirmed that the throne of God is Jesus throne
and with Father and the Word being God, of course
Father and the Word share the throne of God

Rev 3:21  To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

^^^ not God is my throne, but
the throne of God is my throne

the nwt is a perverted twisting of the bible



KJV Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

false jw's hate Father calling Jesus God, and there are many verses showing that the Word come Jesus is God

johnw47:




Jesus didn't confirm that God is His throne
Jesus confirmed that the throne of God is Jesus throne


^^^ not God is my throne, but
the throne of God is my throne

the nwt is a perverted twisting of the bible

Psalm 45:6 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
6
Your divine throne[ a ] endures for ever and
ever.
Your royal scepter is a scepter of equity;
Footnotes:
a. Psalm 45:6 Or Your throne is a
throne of God,"
Rev 3:21 , Jesus Christ PROVED that
Hebrew 1:8 and Psalms 45:6 (RSV, NWT) is more ACCURATE than KJV.
In turn, 1 Chronicle 29:23 & 28:5 CONFIRM ACCURACY of Hebrew 1:8 and Psalms 45:6 (NWT,RSV) and Rev3:21.


**Johnw FRAUD man is NOT thinking straight anymore.. what a CONFUSED fellow!

Janosky:

Psalm 45:6 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
6
Your divine throne[ a ] endures for ever and
ever.
Your royal scepter is a scepter of equity;

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

oh duh so confused one, "Your divine throne" does not = God is your throne

Janosky:
Footnotes:
a. Psalm 45:6 Or Your throne is a
throne of God,"

oh duh duh most confused one, "Your throne is a throne of God" does not = God is your throne

Janosky:
Rev 3:21 , Jesus Christ PROVED that
Hebrew 1:8 and Psalms 45:6 (RSV, NWT) is more ACCURATE than KJV.
In turn, 1 Chronicle 29:23 & 28:5 CONFIRM ACCURACY of Hebrew 1:8 and Psalms 45:6 (NWT,RSV) and Rev3:21.


**Johnw FRAUD man is NOT thinking straight anymore.. what a CONFUSED fellow!

oh so extremely confused, lying twisting pharisee, false accuser, truly God is not a throne
God sits on a throne
Jesus doesn't sit on the Father, He sits at the right hand of His Father on the throne of God
just how duh are these false jw's, laughing



completely confused lying pharisee
your every post is ridiculously wrong
and your every post is shown to be wrong

the more you try to get out of your web of lies
the even more ridiculously entangeled you become, laugh

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.




but of course you cannot see it:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

solite3:
your problem us that you dont understand trinity.

Trinity simply states that God is one being but exist as three individuals and that each individual or persons are distinct from each other but are one God.
God is a trinity of persons, we humans are not hence we find it dufficult to understand. It is like trying to understand four dimension using three or lower dimension. Your problem is that you are trying to box God into your level.

Perhaps some scriptural references will help.

donnie:


Perhaps some scriptural references will help.

A biblical defence of the Trinity
by Jonathan Sarfati

First published in: Apologia 5(2):37–39, 1996

The doctrine of the Trinity is difficult for some people to understand. But this is what God has revealed in Scripture about His own Being, so we should believe it.

The doctrine of the Trinity states that in the unity of the Godhead there are three eternal and co-equal Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the same in essence but distinct in role — three Persons (or three centres of consciousness) and one Being (see diagram, below). The different senses of one-ness and three-ness mean that the doctrine is not self-contradictory. This is similar in principle to saying that the navy, army, and airforce are three distinct fighting entities, but are also one armed service. NB: this is not to suggest that the three persons are ‘parts’ of God. Indeed, each Person has the fullness of the Godhead (see Colossians 2:9). A better analogy is that space contains three dimensions, yet the dimensions are not ‘parts’ — the concept of ‘space’ is meaningless without all three dimensions.

Biblical derivation
All things necessary for our faith and life are either expressly set down in Scripture or may be deduced by good and necessary consequence from Scripture. Some cults, such as Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons, and groups known as ‘Oneness’, or ‘Jesus-only’ Pentecostals (not to be confused with mainstream Pentecostals who do believe in the Trinity), are fond of pointing out that the word ‘Trinity’ is not found in the Bible. But the doctrine can be logically proven from the following clear teachings of Scripture as follows:

Ancient diagram of the Trinity
Ancient diagram of the Trinity; redrawn by artist Debra Bosio Riley—the chosen colours are important, because the additive primary colours of light combine to form white light (see this picture).
There is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 44:8 ). Note that the Hebrew word for ‘one’ is echad which means composite unity — it is used in Genesis 2:24 where the husband and wife become ‘one flesh’. The word for absolute unity is yachid which is never used of God in the Scripture.

The Father is called God (John 6:27, Ephesians 4:6).

The Son is called God (Hebrews 1:8. He is also called ‘I am’ in John 8:58 cf. Ex. 3:14 — see below for more biblical proof). He has always existed (John 1:1–3, 8:56–58), but took on full human nature in addition to His divine nature at the Incarnation (John 1:14, Philippians 2:5–11).

The Holy Spirit is called God (Acts 5:3–4), and is personal (Acts 13:2), not some impersonal force as the Jehovah’s Witness cult believes.

They are distinct, e.g. at the baptism of Jesus in Matthew 3:16–17 all three were present and distinct. The Son is baptized, the Father speaks from Heaven, and the Holy Spirit, in the form of a dove, flies down and lands on the Son. See the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 ‘baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.’ Note that the word ‘name’ is singular, showing that all three Persons are one Being.

The distinction in persons within the one God means that it is possible for Jesus to be the ‘one mediator between God and men’ (1 Timothy 2:5), and to be our ‘advocate with the Father’ (1 John 2:1) when we sin. An advocate is a defence lawyer, who pleads our case before a judge. This demonstrates a distinction between the persons.

The distinction makes the Substitutionary Atonement possible. How else could Jesus be the One on whom the LORD has ‘laid … the iniquity of us all’ (Isaiah 53:6)? The one laying and the one on whom our sins are laid must be distinct.

Jesus said that His Father sent Him (John 14:24) and that the Spirit was sent by both the Father (John 14:26) and the Son (John 15:7). This also points to distinct centres of consciousness within the one God.

The fact that Jesus prayed to God the Father (John 17:1) shows there was a distinction between Father and Son. Since Jesus was fully human (as well as fully divine), and humans should pray, it follows that it was proper for Jesus to pray in His humanity.

Also, the deity of the Son, Jesus Christ, is further proved by the fact that He has attributes belonging uniquely to God, e.g.:

He is the Creator (Colossians 1:16–17).

He has the ability to forgive sins (Luke 7:47–50) and judge all people (John 5:27).

He sends forth the Holy Spirit (John 15:26).

He accepts worship (Hebrews 1:6, Matthew 14:33).

He is called ‘Lord’ (Romans 10:9) where ‘Lord’ (kurios) is a translation of the Old Testament Yahweh (= God). (Romans 10:13 cites Joel 2:32 which makes this clear.)

And He is identified with the ‘Alpha and Omega’ and the equivalent ‘the first and the last’ (Revelation 1:8, 17–18, cf. Isaiah 44:6).

In the Old Testament, He is the Child who is called ‘Mighty God’ and ‘Everlasting Father’ (Hebrew is literally ‘Father of Eternity’, meaning ‘Author of Eternity’) (Isaiah 9:6, cf. 10:21) He would be born in Bethlehem, yet His ‘goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.’ (Micah 5:2)

blueAgent:


True, even the trinitarians cannot explain what they claim is the trinity.

™sewer mouth false accuser habitual liar beelzebubAgent of Absolutely No Understanding at all

you claim trinitarians cannot explain what they claim as the trinity
and so then, you cannot explain what they claim as the trinity
and yet you argue post after post, day after day, week after week,
about what you do not know

such is a confused fool:

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Pro_13:16  Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

Some Objections to the Trinity Answered

Despite the clear Biblical evidence for the Trinity, some cults have objections based on misunderstandings of Scripture.

Jesus said: ‘My Father is greater (meizon) than I’ (John 14:28). But this refers to the Father’s greater position in Heaven, not superior nature. Philippians 2:5–11 states that Jesus had equality by nature with God, but voluntarily took on the lower position of a servant. The same arguments apply to related passages about Jesus submitting to His Father’s will.

The word ‘better’ (kreitton) would have been used to describe superiority in nature if this is what had been meant. Indeed, kreitton is used to describe Jesus’ superiority in His very nature to the angels (Hebrews 1:4). The distinction can be illustrated in the human realm by the role of the Prime Minister — he is greater than us in position, but he is still a human being like us, so is not better in nature.

Jesus is called ‘the firstborn of every creature’ (Colossians 1:15). However, in Jewish imagery, ‘firstborn’ means ‘having the rights and special privileges belonging to the eldest child’. It refers to pre-eminence in rank more than to priority in time. This can be shown in passages where the term ‘firstborn’ is used of the pre-eminent son who was not the eldest, e.g. Psalm 89:27, where David is called ‘firstborn’ although he was actually the youngest son.

‘Firstborn’ does not mean ‘first created’; the Greek for the latter is protoktisis, while firstborn is prototokos. In fact, the verses after Colossians 1:15 show that Christ Himself is the creator of all things.

Jesus is Son of God. From this, some cults try to show that Jesus is somehow less than God. But in Jewish imagery, ‘the son of’ often meant ‘of the order of’ or ‘having the very nature of’. For example, ‘sons of the prophets’ meant ‘of the order of prophets’ (1 Kings 20:35); ‘sons of the singers’ meant ‘of the order of singers’ (Nehemiah 12:28). Jesus’ Jewish contemporaries understood that He was claiming to be God, which is why they wanted to kill him for blasphemy (John 19:7).

Jesus is the ‘only-begotten Son’ (John 3:16). The Greek word translated ‘only-begotten’ is monogenes, which means ‘unique, one of a kind’. Jesus is the unique Son of God, because he is God by His very nature (see above). Believers in Him become ‘sons of God’ by adoption (Galatians 3:26–4:7).

This is shown in the human realm by Hebrews 11:17, where Isaac is called Abraham’s ‘only begotten son’. Abraham had other sons, but Isaac was the unique son of the Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis chapters 15–18, 20), born when his parents were old.