solite3:

So in other words Jesus is a father also.

Yes! Jesus became father that very minute he purchased NOT all souls but OBEDIENT mankind with his blood!

Adam became father of all humans by having sex with Eve his wife to start procreating.

Satan became father the very minute Eve joined him in rebelling against God's sovereignty.

But none of them is like our overall heavenly father JEHOVAH who is the father of both Adam{Luke 3:38}, Jesus {Matthew 17:5} and Satan {Job 1:6}. He only gives life everlasting to those who proves to be his children by wholeheartedly subjecting themselves to do his will, that's why Jesus will never accept anyone as his brother if such a person is not ready to do the will of JEHOVAH {Jesus' father} Matthew 12:46-50

Maximus69:


Yes! Jesus became father that very minute he purchased NOT all souls but OBEDIENT mankind with his blood!

Adam became father of all humans by having sex with Eve his wife to start procreating.

Satan became father the very minute Eve joined him in rebelling against God's sovereignty.

But none of them is like our overall heavenly father JEHOVAH who is the father of both Adam{Luke 3:38}, Jesus {Matthew 17:5} and Satan {Job 1:6}. He only gives life everlasting to those who proves to be his children by wholeheartedly subjecting themselves to do his will, that's why Jesus will never accept anyone as his brother if such a person is not ready to do the will of JEHOVAH {Jesus' father} Matthew 12:46-50

your argument has been defeated.

solite3:
your argument has been defeated.

NO! NO!! NO!!!

This is not about ARGUMENT Sir!

It's about knowing the difference between someone who becomes a father by virtue of birth {Adam},the one by chance {Satan} and the one faith {Jesus}. And the one who has been the father before anyone else is called a father {JEHOVAH}!

It will help you to know the reason why both Adam and Satan are due for destruction, and why Jesus will live forever. Because all these three were CREATED by the FATHER before father, so they still need to render an account before JEHOVAH.
But the scriptures never say that JEHOVAH will give an account to anyone.

So it's not about winning ARGUMENTS Sir, it's about CLARITY
This is called accurate knowledge! Roman 10:1-4

solite3:

Godhead refers to the nature of God meaning the very essence of God.
Its greek word for it is theotes or so.

so what has that got to do with three persons in One?

donnie:


so what has that got to do with three persons in One?

do you know the meaning of nature or essence?

Maximus69:


Yes! Jesus became father that very minute he purchased NOT all souls but OBEDIENT mankind with his blood!

Adam became father of all humans by having sex with Eve his wife to start procreating.

Satan became father the very minute Eve joined him in rebelling against God's sovereignty.

But none of them is like our overall heavenly father JEHOVAH who is the father of both Adam{Luke 3:38}, Jesus {Matthew 17:5} and Satan {Job 1:6}. He only gives life everlasting to those who proves to be his children by wholeheartedly subjecting themselves to do his will, that's why Jesus will never accept anyone as his brother if such a person is not ready to do the will of JEHOVAH {Jesus' father} Matthew 12:46-50

@underline, false jw compares Jesus the Everlasting Father with satan the father of liars
such is false jw's denial of the Lord and saviour Jesus Christ in so so many things
and in this instance denying that the Word Jesus Christ has been Everlasting Father since creating the Angels

Mat 10:33  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.



"Jesus Everlasting Father" is not to be compared with "father of lies the devil"

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

johnw47:



the Word Jesus Christ has been Everlasting Father since creating the Angels


Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

** Hebrew 10:10-13

10 And by that will we have been sanctified
through the offering of the body of
Jesus Christ once for all.

11 Every priest stands
daily ministering and offering
time after time the same sacrifices,
which can never take away sins;


12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,

13 waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.


*** Hebrews 10:10-13 says Jesus Christ "SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD," (to sit on his Father's throne) after his sacrificial death and resurrection to heaven.
"the government shall be upon his shoulder " & he shall become "The Everlasting Father" at the same time (as prophesied in Isaiah 9:6.)

Johnw FRAUD you sabi LIE.

Maximus69:


We are both saying the same thing here Sir, but from different perspective!

Just as Satan{a spirit being} had no children of his own, Jesus{a spirit being} also had no children of his own. It's the same circumstances which made Satan become father to some people that's going to make Jesus become father to some as well. The difference is that Satan rebelled against God's sovereignty, so all those who took after his rebellious acts automatically become his children! John 8:44
On the other hand Jesus is obedient to God always {John 8:28} so all those who took after his footsteps {1Peter 2:21} becomes his children. But while Satan and his own children are heading towards destruction as they've been disconnected from the source of spiritual food { Deuteronomy 8:3,Matthew 4:4} Jesus and his own children will live forever because they remain connected to JEHOVAH (the source of life)! John 17:3

That is why Jesus the great Prince who spent so much trying to make Peace between God and sinful humans will become father to all exercising faith in him forever! Isaiah 9:6

I agree with you.

solite3:

So in other words Jesus is a father also.

Jesus is a father the same way Satan is called father of wicked and evil people, so also Jesus is the father of those who trust in him.

John 8:44-45 King James Version (KJV)
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the
beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is
no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh
of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Secondly every thing owned by God belongs to Jesus by Inheritance that includes the Children of God, that also makes Jesus a father.

John 16:15
All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I,
that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

solite3:
your argument has been defeated.

Do you know that your Salvation depends on you acknowledging that Jesus is the Son of God?
The trinity doctrine denies that Jesus is the literal son of God so they are not saved. not my word but God's word.

If you do not confess Jesus is the Son of
God then you are separated from God.

“Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is
the Son of God , God dwelleth in him, and
he in God. ” 1 John 4:15 . And again,
“Who is he that overcometh the world,
but he that believeth that Jesus is the
Son of God? ” 1 John 5:5

And if you deny Jesus is the Son of God
and that God gave His literal Son then
you make God a liar and you do not
have eternal life. “ He that believeth on
the Son of God has the witness in
himself: he that believeth not God has
made him a liar; because he believeth not
the record that God gave of his Son. And
this is the record, that God has given to
us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
He that has the Son has life; and he that
has not the Son of God has not life. ” 1
John 5:10-12

“But these are written, that you might
believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son
of God; and that believing you might have
life through his name . ” John 20:31.

blueAgent:


Do you know that your Salvation depends on you acknowledging that Jesus is the Son of God?
The trinity doctrine denies that Jesus is the literal son of God so they are not saved. not my word but God's word.

If you do not confess Jesus is the Son of
God then you are separated from God.

“Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is
the Son of God , God dwelleth in him, and
he in God. ” 1 John 4:15 . And again,
“Who is he that overcometh the world,
but he that believeth that Jesus is the
Son of God? ” 1 John 5:5

And if you deny Jesus is the Son of God
and that God gave His literal Son then
you make God a liar and you do not
have eternal life. “ He that believeth on
the Son of God has the witness in
himself: he that believeth not God has
made him a liar; because he believeth not
the record that God gave of his Son. And
this is the record, that God has given to
us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
He that has the Son has life; and he that
has not the Son of God has not life. ” 1
John 5:10-12

“But these are written, that you might
believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son
of God; and that believing you might have
life through his name . ” John 20:31.

How does trinity denies that Jesus is ths Son of God?

blueAgent:


Jesus is a father the same way Satan is called father of wicked and evil people, so also Jesus is the father of those who trust in him.

John 8:44-45 King James Version (KJV)
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the
beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is
no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh
of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Secondly every thing owned by God belongs to Jesus by Inheritance that includes the Children of God, that also makes Jesus a father.

John 16:15
All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I,
that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Excellent!

God will never admit he feathered evil people {Deuteronomy 32:5}, Jesus purchased obedient mankind as children for himself with his blood that he shed on the torture stake. So the fatherly responsibility of teaching his children {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} was what he took upon himself when he started teaching humble, sincere and honest hearted people. Mark 4:2

All those who reject his teachings will perish because they've rejected the pure teachings from the FATHER before father, who sent his only begotten son as a representative to teach them what they need to know in order that the blessings of everlasting life could reach them! John 3:17-18

Adam failed in this regard that's why Jesus stepped in, otherwise we wouldn't have needed Jesus to come and die for anything if Adam had performed his own duty! Adam sold all of us to sin, but Jesus have paid the price.
Now what each of us need is to accept Jesus as his/her personal Master, Lord and King so that he becomes our saviour to redeem us from damnation, that's all!

solite3:

How does trinity denies that Jesus is ths Son of God?

Trinity DENIES that Jesus is the son of God, when you can't distinguish between the most high who has not been seen before and his representative through whose only teachings you can gain access to the most high! John 14:6

That's why all the Churches of Trinity failed to bear the fruit which Jesus himself said will serve as a sign that they're his true followers!

They can never form that global family of Peace loving worshipper Jesus fervently prayed for! John 17:20-23

If they don't know that Jesus is the model presented by the judge {JEHOVAH} so that they should copy him, then they can't get the blessings.
Because if they're saying the Judge is the same person as the model, that means it's impossible to meet up with the requirements since it's the judge himself that's presenting himself!

JEHOVAH have set the standard and given Jesus {who also passed all the tests Satan mounted before him} the authority to carry out the task. For sure, Jesus have no option than to love you if you're doing the will of the one who sent him! John 6:57
Trinity teaches predestination which have no place when we're considering Justice { Genesis 18:25} It's what people do that will determine what God will do to them NOT the other way round! Revelation 20:12

Maximus69:


Trinity DENIES that Jesus is the son of God, when you can't distinguish between the most high who has not been seen before and his representative through whose only teachings you can gain access to the most high! John 14:6

That's why all the Churches of Trinity failed to bear the fruit which Jesus himself said will serve as a sign that they're his true followers!

They can never form that global family of Peace loving worshipper Jesus fervently prayed for! John 17:20-23

If they don't know that Jesus is the model presented by the judge {JEHOVAH} so that they should copy him, then they can't get the blessings.
Because if they're saying the Judge is the same person as the model, that means it's impossible to meet up with the requirements since it's the judge himself that's presenting himself!

JEHOVAH have set the standard and given Jesus {who also passed all the tests Satan mounted before him} the authority to carry out the task. For sure, Jesus have no option than to love you if you're doing the will of the one who sent him! John 6:57
Trinity teaches predestination which have no place when we're considering Justice { Genesis 18:25} It's what people do that will determine what God will do to them NOT the other way round! Revelation 20:12

Go back to my previous post and learn what trinity is.

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Excellent!

God will never admit he feathered evil people {Deuteronomy 32:5}, Jesus purchased obedient mankind as children for himself with his blood that he shed on the torture stake. So the fatherly responsibility of teaching his children {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} was what he took upon himself when he started teaching humble, sincere and honest hearted people. Mark 4:2

All those who reject his teachings will perish because they've rejected the pure teachings from the FATHER before father, who sent his only begotten son as a representative to teach them what they need to know in order that the blessings of everlasting life could reach them! John 3:17-18

Adam failed in this regard that's why Jesus stepped in, otherwise we wouldn't have needed Jesus to come and die for anything if Adam had performed his own duty! Adam sold all of us to sin, but Jesus have paid the price.
Now what each of us need is to accept Jesus as his/her personal Master, Lord and King so that he becomes our saviour to redeem us from damnation, that's all!



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True.

solite3:

How does trinity denies that Jesus is ths Son of God?

By claiming that Jesus is co-eternal with the father and is of the same age and has the same authority like the father.

solite3:
Go back to my previous post and learn what trinity is.

TRINITY is not found in the Bible so i don't think there's anything worthwhile to LEARN about the FALLACY!

blueAgent:


By claiming that Jesus is co-eternal with the father and is of the same age and has the same authority like the father.

that Jesus is. Co-eternal with God is not a claim but a proven fact.
Micah 5:2
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.


John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

There is nothing God created without Jesus meaning he himself wasnt created.

These and more are irrefutable proof that Jesus is co-eternal with God.
Also see

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John did not say "in the beginning God created the word" but rather "in the beginning[of time] the word already existed and was with the father which means the word existed outside time which also implies he is from eternity.
These are proofs which can never be contested.

Maximus69:

TRINITY is not found in the Bible so i don't think there's anything worthwhile to LEARN about the FALLACY!

the teaching is in the bible, that is all that matters not name.

The father Son relationship between the first and second person of the Holy trinity is not a biological one hence has nothing to do with age or time because God himself is timeless and ageless.

solite3:
that Jesus is. Co-eternal with God is not a claim but a proven fact.
Micah 5:2
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.


John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

There is nothing God created without Jesus meaning he himself wasnt created.

These and more are irrefutable proof that Jesus is co-eternal with God.
Also see

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John did not say "in the beginning God created the word" but rather "in the beginning[of time] the word already existed and was with the father which means the word existed outside time which also implies he is from eternity.
These are proofs which can never be contested.

You ignore the fact that the Bible says Jesus was BEGOTTEN by God or came out from God.

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

solite3:
that Jesus is. Co-eternal with God is not a claim but a proven fact.
Micah 5:2
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.


John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

There is nothing God created without Jesus meaning he himself wasnt created.

These and more are irrefutable proof that Jesus is co-eternal with God.
Also see

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John did not say "in the beginning God created the word" but rather "in the beginning[of time] the word already existed and was with the father which means the word existed outside time which also implies he is from eternity.
These are proofs which can never be contested.

begotten
be·​got·​ten | \ bi-ˈgä-tᵊn , bē-\
Definition of begotten (Entry 1 of 2)
// There is no killing the suspicion that deceit has once
begotten.
— George Eliot
// This small, austerely decorated restaurant on the
unfashionable end of Melrose Avenue has begotten a second
establishment …
— Jean T. Barrett
begotten adjective
Definition of begotten (Entry 2 of 2)
: brought into existence by or as if by a parent
// "He didn't send his only begotten son through a whirlwind
…"
— Jesse Jackson
// … she was also a self-absorbed alcoholic with a penchant
for promiscuous infidelity and scant interest in such minor
matters as her only begotten child.
— Deborah Orr
— see also MISBEGOTTEN, ILL-BEGOTTEN

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/begotten

blueAgent:



You ignore the fact that the Bible says Jesus was BEGOTTEN by God or came out from God.

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

I didn't ignore anything,

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, [b]Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?[/b]And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

at bolded God was speaking to his Son meaning the Son was already present when God said those words , it means the son has always existed.
Again the writer of hebrews asked a question, which angel did God call his Son? Meaning Jesus was not an angel.

solite3:
the teaching is in the bible, that is all that matters not name.

If it's not in the Bible, then something is wrong somewhere!

It will cost Jesus himself to come down and rewrite the scriptures, perhaps he made a terrible mistake when the word TRINITY got to his table, and he forgot to pass it to the inspired writers to include it during the writing of the scriptures.

Until then, TRINITY remains a FALLACY!

Maximus69:


If it's not in the Bible, then something is wrong somewhere!

It will cost Jesus himself to come down and rewrite the scriptures, perhaps he made a terrible mistake when the word TRINITY got to his table, and he forgot to pass it to the inspired writers to include it during the writing of the scriptures.

Until then, TRINITY remains a FALLACY!

The word Bible is not in the Bible does that make it false?

solite3:
@ bolded

@bolded Here is what the bible say concerning Jesus.
Hebrews 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

Sonship has nothing to do with creation.

You are just an atheist in disguise.

You failed again, That was a reference to Yahweh ...

All persons created are children of Yahweh, by virtue of creation.

Why Is no one called Son of Jesus ?

johnw47:



oh duh ™lie lie barrister
Jesus the man never had a son



the word come Jesus Christ created all things, john 1:3 plus more, and that includes man
and for that reason the Word can be called Father
it is probably the reason why isaiah called Him Father:

Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Thank God u said probably, because it doesnt correlate, if Jesus is a Father, who are his children ?

If he was the Creator, who are his sons ?

solite3:
show me where it was written that all things were created through the father.

I still demand an answer to these: What exactly was created THROUGH the Father ? Heb 2:10

Barristter07:


I still demand an answer to these: What exactly was created THROUGH the Father ? Heb 2:10

you are funny, You are the one that said all things were created through the father. What are those things?

By the way I know hebrews 2vs10 refers to the father but it never said all things were created through the father same with Romans 11 v36.

Barristter07:


Thank God u said probably, because it doesnt correlate, if Jesus is a Father, who are his children ?

If he was the Creator, who are his sons ?

You are funny, the bible is clear

Hebrews 1:8-12 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

solite3:
The word Bible is not in the Bible does that make it false?

It's not compulsory everyone call it Bible, that's why you'll find some versions of the same documents (complete) that's not called Bible!

Bible means little books, that means it could also be called books, scriptures or scrolls.

What matters is the documents NOT adding what is not found and insisting it should be so when someone say it's not written!

solite3:
you are funny, You are the one that said all things were created through the father. What are those things?

Hebrews 2:10 confirmed it , doesnt it ?

By virtue of his Creating Jesus through his own power , all things exist through him . any objection ?

Simple reasoning:
If he didnt create Jesus , it means nothing was Created through him .

Does the bible lie ?