solite3:
Job was righteous by faith.

Job 1 v 1
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, AND ESCHEWED EVIL.

Congratulations on your discovery!

alBHAGDADI:

Alternate Monika spotted.





When I called him a Satanist, many thought I was just kidding. Look at the length at which he's going just to discredit the Good News. He's quoting and hailing himself just to make it appear as if his point t has support.

OkCornel:





Basic understanding of the scriptures, you picked out Matthew 19 v 17 and quoted it out of context in the heat of this discussion. Because going by your logic that no man is good, even Jesus queried other people that called Him good.

Matthew 19 v 17
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him,Why callest thou me good? there is none good BUT ONE, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments

Solite3, is Jesus good? what of Moses, Job, Enoch, Abraham, Jabez e.t.c. were these men also good?

it is your words against Jesus' words.
Jesus was not not just a man he was God.

solite3:
it is your words against Jesus' words.
Jesus was not not just a man he was God.

Yeah, according to Matthew 19 v 17, Jesus is God;

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good BUT ONE, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments

Unless you're telling us Jesus was contradicting Himself in Matthew 19 v 17.

Solite3, when are you going to show us where Judas Iscariot was baptized?

OkCornel:


No o, Jesus said Nathaniel was an evil man full of deceit.

Please where was Judas Iscariot baptized? I'm waiting!

it is your words against Jesus own.
I said Judas was baptized base on inferred interpretation.

OkCornel:
If truly there were no good men, why did Jesus say this solite3?

Luke 6 v 45-46;

45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

And Jesus told you the name of the good man right?

solite3:
it is your words against Jesus own.
I said Judas was baptized base on inferred interpretation.

Ahn ahn, I thought the bible was complete enough without the need to add "inferred interpretation"

You quoted Matthew 19 v 17 to claim no man is good yet, that same Matthew 19 v 17 where Jesus queried someone for calling Him good...yet

1) Goodness is one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit - Galatians 5 v 22
2) Jesus promised those that did good would be resurrected unto eternal life - John 5 v 29
3) Jesus said out of a good man's heart shall good treasure come forth - Luke 6 v 45

jesusjnr:
The kind of grace gospel y'all preach is!

What grace do Pastors talk about that is upon them which they use to justify acts of rape and adultery, if not the grace that y'all preach that doesn't require for one to stop acting wickedly?

A married Pastor committed adultery with a young girl and when the girl got pregnant, I think he compelled her to abort the child, and in the process of aborting the child, the girl died.

And when the man was confronted, he was talking about grace upon his life... So what grace was he talking about?

But that which anyone can continue in his iniquity and yet be saved?

That's the grace of hell fire!

that not what Grace is all about, I"d liken your post like a man who claimed to love a Lady just to sleep with her, because of the man abuse of love, should we say love is delusion ? no. just because some pastor abuse grace doesn't mean Grace is license to sin.

a friend on this forum explained it perfectly :

Grace only becomes effectual in our lives
when we believe on Him Romans 5:2 hence the
need to hold fast and continue in the faith.

Grace goes beyond forgiveness of sins to
empowerment to live victorious lives Titus
2:11-13 and that if this aspect of grace is
missing, we may profess grace but we deceive
ourselves and turn God's grace into
lasciviousness !.

thank to a dear friend . scholar

solite3:
And Jesus told you the name of the good man right?

Oh my bad, I didn't know Jesus was preaching fairy tales. I guess Job was an evil man, perhaps Enoch was not a good man too...
Infact...just maybe, goodness is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit as well.

With this your understanding, I'm not really surprised you could boldly tell everyone that Judas Iscariot was baptized

jesusjnr:
Lol!

The bolded there exposes the fact that you're nothing but a pathetic liar.

If not, you'd have to show us where I made that claim again after withdrawing it.

You're just looking for anything possible to justify your demonic idea of grace, that would give you the licence to continue in your iniquities.

Do you care about what Jesus said or what you just want to believe He said that which suits the desire of your flesh?

Jesus made it clear what He meant by "believe in Him" when He talked about works on several occasions with respect to gaining eternal life, to prove that the belief He meant was not devoid of works.

But of course, you would rather want to "believe in Him" without works, so that you can continue in your iniquity.

Your choice but don't say you weren't warned when you find yourself in hell with all those who were workers of iniquity as yourself.

You this liar
Here is the thread where you openly proclaim Mohammed as a true prophet and allah as your god.
You went and edited it but fortunately some people has a copy already.
Angent of satan
https://www.nairaland.com/followed/1

Grace is more than forgiveness of sin because the woman caught in adultery, He told the woman to go and sin no more, were His word not spirit and life that should empowered the woman for victory and forgiveness ? why didn't JESUS say " woman I know you are weak anytime you sin just ask for forgiveness.
For there are certain men crept in unawares,...,
ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into
lasciviousness , and denying the only Lord God,
and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:4

OkCornel:


Oh my bad, I didn't know Jesus was preaching fairy tales. I guess Job was an evil man, perhaps Enoch was not a good man too...
Infact...just maybe, goodness is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit as well.

With this your understanding, I'm not really surprised you could boldly tell everyone that Judas Iscariot was baptized

what? Was Jesus not among the disciples how did he come to be part of the ministry if he wasnt baptised? You are just holding on to a straw.

malvisguy212:
Grace is more than forgiveness of sin because the woman caught in adultery, He told the woman to go and sin no more, were His word not spirit and life that should empowered the woman for victory and forgiveness ? why didn't JESUS say " woman I know you are weak anytime you sin just ask for forgiveness.
For there are certain men crept in unawares,...,
ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into
lasciviousness , and denying the only Lord God,
and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:4

Correct!

solite3:
what? Was Jesus not among the disciples how did he come to be part of the ministry if he wasnt baptised? You are just holding on to a straw.

I think you meant to say "Was Judas not among the disciples"

Now please, show us with evidence from the scriptures, where did Jesus baptize Judas Iscariot? I thought you all said the bible (particularly the 66 books version) is the complete word of God? Why is it convenient for you to add your "inferred interpretation" right now? Hmmm?

solite3, according to Matthew 19 v 17, was Jesus a good man?

Since you want to hold onto that verse to claim no man is good.

And Spirit filled believers, are they also good people? Unless maybe goodness is no longer one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit

solite3:

You this liar
Here is the thread where you openly proclaim Mohammed as a true prophet and allah as your god.
You went and edited it but fortunately some people has a copy already.
Angent of satan
https://www.nairaland.com/followed/1

What makes me a liar?

That I admitted making such a statement, or that I said I later withdrew it?

You're a liar because despite knowing fully well that I had withdrawn that statement, you said I still claim that Allah is God.

Let me put the thread here so that next time you make such a statement, you'd not have the excuse that you've not yet seen it, your lies would be clear to all and sundry.

https://www.nairaland.com/5455711/done

That was the thread where i withdrew my view Allah being God, but let me now show you a thread of a Christian who views Allah as God but has not yet withdrawn his view about this, so you'd let us know what you think about the person:

https://www.nairaland.com/5507700/how-gods-decision-elevate-man#83696743

The point is that this is yet the view of many Christians so that is not really the issue here, but that this gives y'all demon-possessed christians something with which to get at me, that's what this is really about. So y'all Antichrist swines can continue in your scum.

So you can also continue posing as the whitewashed sepulchre you appear to be to men, despite being full of dead men's bones in the name of grace, but when you end up where all your fellow workers of iniquity are, you certainly wouldn't say you weren't warned.

OkCornel:
solite3, according to Matthew 19 v 17, was Jesus a good man?

Since you want to hold onto that verse to claim no man is good.

And Spirit filled believers, are they also good people? Unless maybe goodness is no longer one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit

did you here yourself at all? Goodness is part of the fruit of the Holy Spirit who is God himself, it only emphasizes the fact that only God is good.
No human is righteous not one.


Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

jesusjnr:
What makes me a liar?

That I admitted making such a statement, or that I said I later withdrew it?

You're a liar because despite knowing fully well that I had withdrawn that statement, you said I still claim that Allah is God.

No true christian will ever claim that Allah is his God. As a man thinketh in his heart so is he.
By your fruit on nairaland, you have shown which side you belong. You withdrawn the statement because of the backlash.

Let me put the thread here so that next time you make such a statement, you'd not have the excuse that you've not yet seen it, your lies would be clear to all and sundry.

https://www.nairaland.com/5455711/done

That was the thread where i withdrew my view Allah being God, but let me now show you a thread of a Christian who views Allah as God but has not yet withdrawn his view about this, so you'd let us know what you think about the person:

https://www.nairaland.com/5507700/how-gods-decision-elevate-man#83696743

The point is that this is yet the view of many Christians so that is not really the issue here, but that this gives y'all demon-possessed christians something with which to get at me, that's what this is really about. So y'all Antichrist swines can continue in your scum.

So you can also continue posing as the whitewashed sepulchre you appear to be to men, despite being full of dead men's bones in the name of grace, but when you end up where all your fellow workers of iniquity are, you certainly wouldn't say you weren't warned.

your end shall be terrible, if you dont repent of this wickedness.
You are mocking the God of the Christians, I know your type.

The Jesus of the bible came with grace and truth. only the grace of Jesus can save you, that demon in you is deceiving you.

solite3:
No true christian will ever claim that Allah is his God. As a man thinketh in his heart so is he.
By your fruit on nairaland, you have shown which side you belong. You withdrawn the statement because of the backlash.

Lol!

So says one of Nairaland goats/wolves christians pretending to be sheep, who proudly worship mammon and other more dangerous demons through idolatry inside the church.

Abeg shift to the left hand, and prepare to be in hell prepared for the devil and his angels with your fellow christians workers of inquity that are already there waiting for you if you don't repent.

jesusjnr:
Lol!

So says one of Nairaland goats/wolves christians pretending to be sheep.

Abeg shift to the left hand, and prepare to be in hell prepared for the devil and his angels with your fellow christians workers of inquity that are already there.

Dead fool!

Repent Now! There is no repentance in the grave

solite3:
Repent Now! There is no repentance in the grave

Imagine the irony!

So you know repentance is needed for someone to be saved?

It clearly exposes the ulterior motive of your preaching of the grace of hell fire that men can continue in their sin, and still be saved.

Or are you already admitting your error?

solite3:
did you here yourself at all? Goodness is part of the fruit of the Holy Spirit who is God himself, it only emphasizes the fact that only God is good.
No human is righteous not one.


Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

If no one was righteous, please explain these verses for everyone here.

Job 1 v 1;
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, AND ESCHEWED EVIL

Job 1 v 8
And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Psalms 1 v 5-6
5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish

Ezekiel 14 v 13-14;
13 Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it:
14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord God.

solite3:
did you here yourself at all? Goodness is part of the fruit of the Holy Spirit who is God himself, it only emphasizes the fact that only God is good.
No human is righteous not one.


Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

More verses for you to explain;

2 Peter 2 v 7-9;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds)
9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Luke 23 v 50;
50 And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just.

Luke 2 v 25;
25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

Luke 1 v 5-6;
5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Mark 6 v 20;
20 For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.

OkCornel:


Yeah, according to Matthew 19 v 17, Jesus is God;

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good BUT ONE, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments

Unless you're telling us Jesus was contradicting Himself in Matthew 19 v 17.

Solite3, when are you going to show us where Judas Iscariot was baptized?

are you a Jehovah witness ?

malvisguy212:
are you a Jehovah witness ?

Nope! Why do you ask?

OkCornel:

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Nope! Why do you ask?

Jehovah witness always use that verse ( matt 19:17)to deny the DEITY of JESUS. I thought wrong. thank you.

let us not use this augment to call ourselves liar.

malvisguy212:
Jehovah witness always use that verse ( matt 19:17)to deny the DEITY of JESUS. I thought wrong. thank you.

let us not use this augment to call ourselves liar.

Oh really? Can anyone in their right senses deny Jesus is the begotten Son of God?

The issue here is not about the divine nature of Jesus.

Solite3 was trying to tell me there is no good man. But that same Matthew 19 v 17, Jesus clearly called out a man that called Him “good teacher” and that only God is good.


Does it mean Jesus was not good? Or the likes of Noah, Job, Lot, Joseph of Aramethea, Simeon, Zacharias & Elizabeth, John the Baptist, Daniel.

Were these people not good as the scriptures stated?

malvisguy212:
that not what Grace is all about, I"d liken your post like a man who claimed to love a Lady just to sleep with her, because of the man abuse of love, should we say love is delusion ? no. just because some pastor abuse grace doesn't mean Grace is license to sin.

a friend on this forum explained it perfectly :

Grace only becomes effectual in our lives
when we believe on Him Romans 5:2 hence the
need to hold fast and continue in the faith.

Grace goes beyond forgiveness of sins to
empowerment to live victorious lives Titus
2:11-13 and that if this aspect of grace is
missing, we may profess grace but we deceive
ourselves and turn God's grace into
lasciviousness !.

thank to a dear friend . scholar

Abuse of which grace? The same grace that you said does all the work while you do nothing, could yet be abused?

How could such a grace that requires no works/obedience/righteousness in the respect of salvation still be abused?

Was it not the Op who said such grace covered someone whether they sinned or not? So continuing in one's iniquity and sin cannot be an abuse of such grace, for that's the concept of such grace, which such pastors and christians use to justify such atrocities they commit, because it would still cover them regardless.

So that grace cannot be abused except you're now beginning to see that your idea of grace "that does all the work while you do nothing" is so faulty.

Mind you, that's has never the idea of God's grace which leads to salvation, for that grace requires works as repentance, righteousness, obedience of God's Word, for man to be able to have it.

So what you call grace is not God's grace, but clearly a man-made idea, hence the damning results, as men continuing in their sins that (such) grace may abound.

Therefore it's this your idea of grace that is a delusion, God's grace stands sure.

jesusjnr:
Imagine the irony!

So you know repentance is needed for someone to be saved?

It clearly exposes the ulterior motive of your preaching of the grace of hell fire that men can continue in their sin, and still be saved.

Or are you already admitting your error?

You are a perfect example of ignorance mixed with arrogance.
Where does grace exclude repentance? Go and enlighten yourself on what repentance mean.

OkCornel:


If no one was righteous, please explain these verses for everyone here.

Job 1 v 1;
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, AND ESCHEWED EVIL

Job 1 v 8
And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Psalms 1 v 5-6
5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish

Ezekiel 14 v 13-14;
13 Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it:
14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord God.

those men where all righteous by faith.

solite3:
those men where all righteous by faith.

But you said no one is righteous na. You were arguing no one is good.

Job for example was righteous because he feared God and ESCHEWED EVIL. He even went as far as making a covenant or oath not to look upon a woman lustfully. Righteousness backed up with actions and not empty confessions.

Also look at Zacarias and his wife;
Luke 1 v 5-6;
5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.



They WALKED IN THE COMMANDMENTS AND ORDINANCE OF THE LORD

solite3:

You are a perfect example of ignorance mixed with arrogance.
Where does grace exclude repentance? Go and enlighten yourself on what repentance mean.

Oh!

The grace without works illusion is gradually being destroyed by the Truth!

Repentance is the beginning of good works fool, and if you don't yet know that but are yet claiming to know, then you are so much worse than whatever you called me.

Matthew 3:8, 10 (KJV)

8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.