Blabbermouth:

It is natural for humans to relate things together even if there are no connections. If sin is related to mortal death, then sinlessness should yield immortality.
Whether God punishes you or not, you will still die. Whether you sin or not, you will still die. Mortal death is a pattern of the world it is not caused by sin.

The first sin of Adam is what introduced mortal death into the world. ie. the sinful nature of man leads to his death

"The wages of sin is death"

Everybody sins, so everybody dies

Blabbermouth:

We both know you are whining your self. If we drag this a bit now you will end up admitting You don't know If HE exist or not. Forcing yourself to believe He doesn't exist does not mean you have escaped His radar.

ALL RELIGIOUS GODS DO NOT EXIST.

If you still want to hug your sky daddy, that's fine. Your brain, your delusions. Good night.

Everybody can see visions and signs , but we sometimes ignore them out of carelessness. Amos 3-7

Surely the Lord God will do nothing but he revealed His secret unto His servants the prophets.

hopefulLandlord:


Let's assume she was created. who created who created her?

Every theory that tries to define our beginning always stress the fact that THE APEX CREATOR OR CAUSE IS NOT BOUNDED BY TIME. Whatever is not bounded by time does not and cannot have a beginning and there was never created. The God-hateism crew believe it is some kind of energy or singleton, believers believe this creator is God. So you see why your question is invalid.

Martinez39:
There is no afterlife. You die and you cease existing.

We shall see, on that day, all atheist shall open their mouth wide apart, in regret, there will be no going back, they shall be thrown into fire, and their skin would be replaced from time to time, on that day, they will find out God can do anything.

Redeem Church is anti-bible, woman must not be ordained as pastor say Paul

ednut1:
but that is what just happened. God also watched his son die a painful death. Say alot about the being called God. He gives zero bleeps about us

Oh, now I get your point

This story is heart wrenching. The accident is very much avoidable.
What is a nine years old girl doing in a pool without a life jacket?

Riele:
He was a pastor ! Wasn't he prayerful enough ? .

God , why did you let this happen ? .
What reply will his family give to those who taunts ? .

God , sometimes , you make me doubt your existence .

I'm so sad . I also lost a best friend today . He too served you .

I dedicate this FTC to my friend Isaac . May his gentle soul rest in peace .

It's well bro...
RIP to ur friend. My encouragement for u is drawn from one of the letters of Paul.... To die is gain and to live is Christ. Either way, God always teach us something, and that is to build up our faith knowing that they will be right there during the wedding of the groom to his bride.

I lost my mum when I was little, I sure know how it hurts. But take it from me that God knows and also has plans that we can never imagine.

Take heart bro

Newmans:
I dont understand this story how come a pastor who was supposed to be busy ministering on Christmas left his work in the House of God travel with his children to Spain to go Flenjo for there, God go they catch all of them one by one

U are expected to teach your children good things and not how to spend extravagant lay other's should learn from his story
God sees!!

SMH

officialfestus:
Pastors and native doctors normally don't see visions for their own selves... Well rip to him and others that lost their life today

You watch too much nollywood bro

Newmans:
I dont understand this story how come a pastor who was supposed to be busy ministering on Christmas left his work in the House of God travel with his children to Spain to go Flenjo for there, God go they catch all of them one by one

U are expected to teach your children good things and not how to spend extravagant lay other's should learn from his story
God sees!!

Going for vacation is extravagant? Chai you need exposure man. And maybe reset as well.

midnighter:


The first sin of Adam is what introduced mortal death into the world. ie. the sinful nature of man leads to his death

Everybody sins, so everybody dies

And this explains natural disasters and impossible and painful accidents

I won't stress this further, Let me just agree with you.
1. You have generalized this already. We weren't looking at it from this perspective.
2. Even from this angle, peter died, John died, Paul died.
They were reborn by a second man called Christ. He was sinless....
The girl I quoted was lamenting as if pastors and men of God are exempted from death. I was making Her understand that there is no relationship between the sin we sin and the death we die. I wasn't referring to the sin by nature Mr. Adam gave us as gift.

hopefulLandlord:


This imaginary friend of yours can't possibly lose. it's all a win win win for him and when he loses you guys would explain it as a win too. This points more to the uselessness and irrelevancy of your god

With an attitude like that demonstrated in the post you replied to, it becomes clear that certain people love their chains. They don't ask questions or hold god accountable.

—Atheist or non-Christian dies young => (he wasn't prayerful enough).
— Christian dies young => (the Lord giveth and taketh, it's God's will, he is in a better place etc.)

— Atheist or non-Christian is poor and suffering => (he needs to turn to the Lord, he needs to come to jesus).
— Christian is poor and suffering => (God is testing him. God's time is the best. Don't question God)

— Christian is rich => (God is good, his grace is sufficient)
— Atheist or non-Christian is rich =>...

Martinez39:
ALL RELIGIOUS DO NOT EXIST.

If you still want to hug your sky, that's fine. Your brain, your delusions. Good night.

I smell your fear and doubt from a thousand mile....

Blabbermouth:

I won't stress this further, Let me just agree with you.
1. You have generalized this already. We weren't looking at it from this perspective.
2. Even from this angle, peter died, John died, Paul died.
They were reborn by a second man called Christ. He was sinless....
The girl I quoted was lamenting as if pastors and men of God are exempted from death. I was making Her understand that there is no relationship between the sin we sin and the death we die. I wasn't referring to the sin by nature Mr. Adam gave us as gift.

1. I wasnt looking at it from that perspective either. You told me to enlighten you, I answered you and then you replied to me with a totally general answer which had nothing to do with what I said. So I had to go back to first principles to answer you back.

2. People die for a variety of reasons.

You cant say that there is no connection between the sin we sin and the death we die due to the circumstances that I answered you with in the first instance.

officialfestus:
Pastors and native doctors normally don't see visions for their own selves... Well rip to him and others that lost their life today

quite true but why?

To God we belong and to him we return.

No amount of prayers can prevent their death as written from the beginning.

Sometimes, we call this ontimely death if the incident occured in Nigeria.

God has the best knowledge of all things.

May thier souls rest in perfect peace.

lalasticlala:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/26/father-and-children-who-drowned-in-costa-del-sol-pool-named

Meanwhile, Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG), Central Office, UK announced the demise of Pastor Diya via a Facebook Post:

"With heavy hearts, we extend our condolences to the family, parish, friends and associates of Area Pastor Gabriel Diya who sadly passed away, along with two of his children - Comfort Diya (9 years old) and Praise Emmanuel Diya (16 years old) - in a tragic incident while on a family holiday in Spain on 24th December 2019.

Pastor Gabriel Diya, who was also the Parish Pastor of Open Heavens, Charlton in London was aged 52. He is survived by his wife Assistant Pastor Olubunmi Diya and their daughter.
At this very difficult time, our prayers are for Pastor Gabriel Diya's family, the parishes that were under his supervision, friends, associates, members of RCCG and the general public."

This is ridiculous.

greenmonk:
I just wonder if this cold winter is the best time to go swimming. The shock of jumping into the cold pool can stop the heart. I am a trained rescue swimmer.
The cold period is not the best of times to go swimming without a life saver.

Was wondering too

Wonder why they didn't get help.

It's past tense anyway.


So many bad news today.

Just saw a thread where a whole family died of motor accident

midnighter:


1. I wasnt looking at it from that perspective either. You told me to enlighten you, I answered you and then you replied to me with a totally general answer which had nothing to do with what I said. So I had to go back to first principles to answer you back.

2. People die for a variety of reasons.

You cant say that there is no connection between the sin we sin and the death we die due to the circumstances that I answered you with in the first instance.

Worshipping another God is not what killed me.
Hating all my neighbour is not what killed me.
Lying is not what killed me.
Desecrating the sabbath is not what killed me.
Sleeping with another woman is not what killed me.
Coveting my neighbours property is not what killed me.
Hating God is not what killed me [All atheist go don die since]
None of these is the primary cause of my death [Yet they are established sins]. That is why is said there is no relationship between mortal death and the sin I sin.
I died simply because I am a Man. Christ died because He came as a Man. Peter died because he is a man. You will die because you are a man. I will die because I am a man. Disobeying and sinning did not kill me, my corrupted nature has subjected me to death.
The pastor died because he is a man. The son died because he is a man. The daughter died because she is a man.
[Fallen angels sinned, they are still bouncing and chilling all around today].

Snowale:
If they all end up in paradise, they would be verrrrrrrry Happy and thankful to God, and would wish his wife and others joined them immediately. This life isn't cool at all.

Meanwhile, one have to be a good Muslim to enter paradise.

Werey wo re

Blabbermouth:

Every theory that tries to define our beginning always stress the fact that THE APEX CREATOR OR CAUSE IS NOT BOUNDED BY TIME. Whatever is not bounded by time does not and cannot have a beginning and there was never created. The God-hateism crew believe it is some kind of energy or singleton, believers believe this creator is God. So you see why your question is invalid.

loads of bullcrap without answering the question I asked

hopefulLandlord:

loads of bullcrap without answering the question I asked

Sorry, the question is invalid.

That fake pastors specialised in scamming fellow Nigerians and Africans, especially those without good stay
and those with one problem or the other. I attended his church once around Charlton, very close to Woolwich when a relative did a child dedication.

What I saw was a man so desperate to dispossess people of their money with his aggressive prosperity preaching.

He is not alone in this though, the whole lot of them are the same. To be honest I have respect for yahoo boys than a Nigerian pastor. This is because their targets are always struggling fellow Africans , rich criminals (govt officials and crooks) thereby encouraging the looting of Nigeria general corruption in the society. On the other hand yahoo boys are after white people 99% of the time, not that I support them, but they have conscience compared with a Nigerian pastor in London.

Ebbyboy:



Werey wo re

With his/her write up.

Kindergarten students will identify who is mad between the both of you.

Do the math.

Riele:
He was a pastor ! Wasn't he prayerful enough ? .

God , why did you let this happen ? .
What reply will his family give to those who taunts ? .

God , sometimes , you make me doubt your existence .

I'm so sad . I also lost a best friend today . He too served you .

I dedicate this FTC to my friend Isaac . May his gentle soul rest in peace .

Everybody dies ,but not everybody lives

Riele:
He was a pastor ! Wasn't he prayerful enough ? .

God , why did you let this happen ? .
What reply will his family give to those who taunts ? .

God , sometimes , you make me doubt your existence .

I'm so sad . I also lost a best friend today . He too served you .

I dedicate this FTC to my friend Isaac . May his gentle soul rest in peace .

Sis, I share in your grief. Please accept my condolences. I want you to know that His ways are not our ways and He iS unquestionable.
Let me share my experience, 2014 I lost my mother. I was in Uni then and to think she died during RCCG 100days fasting when my fast was 80+ days. I was fasting despite final year stress and project stress as a science students. I was fasting till 6pm daily till d 86th day that she died. She wasn't sick, they just told me she died, Just like that. I lost hope, I lost courage, for the next two years that followed I had a battle in my mind with God. I attend church when I feel like but I never prayed to God for that two years. She was the strength of our family and yet God taking her while I was fasting was wickedness to me. Even though the battle persisted in my mind, I was clever enough not to blackmail or insult God, who am I?

Sis, what I realised later was that if she hadn't died then, we her children would ve been dying one after the other right in her eyes with me been d first and that will eventually kill her. Sis, most times all we need to say is THANK YOU JESUS when we find ourselves in unpleasant situations and then learn to trust Him because if and when we know why that situation happened, we would be more grateful. Everything works together for good says the Bible

Be good Sis. Shalom

chigoziri2403:
I just don't understand the whole scenerio, father and son jumped into save daughter, three of them died.....the more I read, the more I get confused
RIP

I'm confused too... How come??

officialfestus:
Pastors and native doctors normally don't see visions for their own selves... Well rip to him and others that lost their life today

To tell you that Nobody see/know tomorrow (See Vision) but Almighty God.

Blabbermouth:

Every theory that tries to define our beginning always stress the fact that THE APEX CREATOR OR CAUSE IS NOT BOUNDED BY TIME. Whatever is not bounded by time does not and cannot have a beginning and there was never created. The God-hateism crew believe it is some kind of energy or singleton, believers believe this creator is God. So you see why your question is invalid.

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chigoziri2403:
I just don't understand the whole scenerio, father and son jumped into save daughter, three of them died.....the more I read, the more I get confused
RIP

Same with me.
Wonder if the hotel doesn't have divers around to help a drowning man.