Oh jeez not again.

I am not convinced that the Yorubas have a Hebrew heritage. The OP has provided no proof of this, just some mumbo jumbo about Elijah being taken away by a whirlwind and trying to link some Yoruba words with this event.

To me, the link looks tenuous and tedious. There are ancient documents that link Yorubas to ancient Canaan.

A subject such as this is most important and can't be covered by a few words on a blogosphere like this one.

I submit that it is high time our political and traditional leaders as well as academic scholars like Wole Soyinka and keepers of our ancient heritage and secrets come together and help us trace our root and our source.

Enough of all of these guess works and grandstanding. They are misleading.

That Yorubas originated from an ancient, rich and very developed source is not in doubt. You only need to check out the richness of the language, the idioms, idiosyncrasies, proverbs and general use of the language. You need to understand the Yoruba religion which some others have called Santeria, the beauty of the lores and legends, the elaborateness of the religious practices, the incredibility of the pantheons of gods in Yorubaland.

All these point to a history, obviously forgotten, that would wow us and make us understand that there was probably a time when our forefathers walked the earth majestically.

The time is ripe to harness all the intelligence we can muster as a people to trace our origins, because a people who don't know their past, will blunder and stumble on into the future.

When we know whose children we truly are then can we begin to cast off the yoke of white supremacy that beclouds out senses and makes us think we are inferior to the whites.

Then and only then can we look at ourselves and observe our living conditions in disgust and strive to become who we are meant to be.

This cannot happen if we keep misinforming ourselves and holding ourselves up to a standard that I am quite sure is way beneath us.

I remember that this was how some Moslems in Yorubaland tried to twist our history by saying that Oduduwa migrated from Mecca and the likes.

Yoruba, ji, ma sun!

FrLukas:
I am not convinced that the Yorubas have a Hebrew heritage. The OP has provided no proof of this, just some mumbo jumbo about Elijah being taken away by a whirlwind and trying to link some Yoruba words with this event.

To me, the link looks tenuous and tedious. There are ancient documents that link Yorubas to ancient Canaan.

A subject such as this is most important and can't be covered by a few words on a blogosphere like this one.

I submit that it is high time our political and traditional leaders as well as academic scholars like Wole Soyinka and keepers of our ancient heritage and secrets come together and help us trace our root and our source.

Enough of all of these guess works and grandstanding. They are misleading.

That Yorubas originated from an ancient, rich and very developed source is not in doubt. You only need to check out the richness of the language, the idioms, idiosyncrasies, proverbs and general use of the language. You need to understand the Yoruba religion which some others have called Santeria, the beauty of the lores and legends, the elaborateness of the religious practices, the incredibility of the pantheons of gods in Yorubaland.

All these point to a history, obviously forgotten, that would wow us and make us understand that there was probably a time when our forefathers walked the earth majestically.

The time is ripe to harness all the intelligence we can muster as a people to trace our origins, because a people who don't know their past, will blunder and stumble on into the future.

When we know whose children we truly are then can we begin to cast off the yoke of white supremacy that beclouds out senses and makes us think we are inferior to the whites.

Then and only then can we look at ourselves and observe our living conditions in disgust and strive to become who we are meant to be.

This cannot happen if we keep misinforming ourselves and holding ourselves up to a standard that I am quite sure is way beneath us.

I remember that this was how some Moslems in Yorubaland tried to twist our history by saying that Oduduwa migrated from Mecca and the likes.

Yoruba, ji, ma sun!

And who told you we couldn't have developed all that awesome cultural stuff mostly on our own and why do we have to appropriate other perceived advanced races to justify our own advancement?

Why the self loathing and hate?

kayfra:


And who told you we couldn't have developed all that awesome cultural stuff mostly on our own and why do we have to appropriate other perceived advanced races to justify our own advancement?

Why the self loathing and hate?

advance race .. look how daft you are ..you've been taught to believe we are not advance . you need to study yoruba race first ..Yoruba is different .. The problem you people have, is trying to merge us together with other tribes or aborigine of the forest... when our forefathers boldly pride themselves as superior and different from their neighbors Also forbid any link with their neighbors ,To them anyone outside yoruba race is not human

FrLukas:
I am not convinced that the Yorubas have a Hebrew heritage. The OP has provided no proof of this, just some mumbo jumbo about Elijah being taken away by a whirlwind and trying to link some Yoruba words with this event.

To me, the link looks tenuous and tedious. There are ancient documents that link Yorubas to ancient Canaan.

A subject such as this is most important and can't be covered by a few words on a blogosphere like this one.

I submit that it is high time our political and traditional leaders as well as academic scholars like Wole Soyinka and keepers of our ancient heritage and secrets come together and help us trace our root and our source.

Enough of all of these guess works and grandstanding. They are misleading.

That Yorubas originated from an ancient, rich and very developed source is not in doubt. You only need to check out the richness of the language, the idioms, idiosyncrasies, proverbs and general use of the language. You need to understand the Yoruba religion which some others have called Santeria, the beauty of the lores and legends, the elaborateness of the religious practices, the incredibility of the pantheons of gods in Yorubaland.

All these point to a history, obviously forgotten, that would wow us and make us understand that there was probably a time when our forefathers walked the earth majestically.

The time is ripe to harness all the intelligence we can muster as a people to trace our origins, because a people who don't know their past, will blunder and stumble on into the future.

When we know whose children we truly are then can we begin to cast off the yoke of white supremacy that beclouds out senses and makes us think we are inferior to the whites.

Then and only then can we look at ourselves and observe our living conditions in disgust and strive to become who we are meant to be.

This cannot happen if we keep misinforming ourselves and holding ourselves up to a standard that I am quite sure is way beneath us.

I remember that this was how some Moslems in Yorubaland tried to twist our history by saying that Oduduwa migrated from Mecca and the likes.

Yoruba, ji, ma sun!

There is so much work to be done on African history sure but you don't go around with crazy imaginative constructions. This feeling of inferiority is such a pitiful consequence of the anti African/anti Black propaganda that the world has used to justify their atrocities... Propaganda also carried and maintained through Islam and Christianity brought to our lands
Africans are the only ones who want to be anything but what they are
Not just these particular 3 or 4 guys over the Yoruba
Thousands maybe Millions of igbos will swear they are Hebrews... You have such people among the Akan, Ewe and the Bantu groups too


It's like it's a shame to have African origin
As much as it is obvious that these bands of Hebrew and Arab wannabes all over the Internet do this out of self hate and inferiority complex as Africans in contrast to the great admiration for Hebrews, Arabs and the likes from that region

The major problem here with anyone pushing this is actually their lack of scholarship, lack of expertise on both West African and Levantine civilizations

macof:



There is so much work to be done on African history sure but you don't go around with crazy imaginative constructions. This feeling of inferiority is such a pitiful consequence of the anti African/anti Black propaganda that the world has used to justify their atrocities... Propaganda also carried and maintained through Islam and Christianity brought to our lands
Africans are the only ones who want to be anything but what they are
Not just these particular 3 or 4 guys over the Yoruba
Thousands maybe Millions of igbos will swear they are Hebrews... You have such people among the Akan, Ewe and the Bantu groups too


It's like it's a shame to have African origin
As much as it is obvious that these bands of Hebrew and Arab wannabes all over the Internet do this out of self hate and inferiority complex as Africans in contrast to the great admiration for Hebrews, Arabs and the likes from that region

The major problem here with anyone pushing this is actually their lack of scholarship, lack of expertise on both West African and Levantine civilizations

Yoruba are not bantu ..

macof:



There is so much work to be done on African history sure but you don't go around with crazy imaginative constructions. This feeling of inferiority is such a pitiful consequence of the anti African/anti Black propaganda that the world has used to justify their atrocities... Propaganda also carried and maintained through Islam and Christianity brought to our lands
Africans are the only ones who want to be anything but what they are
Not just these particular 3 or 4 guys over the Yoruba
Thousands maybe Millions of igbos will swear they are Hebrews... You have such people among the Akan, Ewe and the Bantu groups too


It's like it's a shame to have African origin
As much as it is obvious that these bands of Hebrew and Arab wannabes all over the Internet do this out of self hate and inferiority complex as Africans in contrast to the great admiration for Hebrews, Arabs and the likes from that region

The major problem here with anyone pushing this is actually their lack of scholarship, lack of expertise on both West African and Levantine civilizations

Africa is a diverse continent Different race with different back ground

macof:



There is so much work to be done on African history sure but you don't go around with crazy imaginative constructions. This feeling of inferiority is such a pitiful consequence of the anti African/anti Black propaganda that the world has used to justify their atrocities... Propaganda also carried and maintained through Islam and Christianity brought to our lands
Africans are the only ones who want to be anything but what they are
Not just these particular 3 or 4 guys over the Yoruba
Thousands maybe Millions of igbos will swear they are Hebrews... You have such people among the Akan, Ewe and the Bantu groups too


It's like it's a shame to have African origin
As much as it is obvious that these bands of Hebrew and Arab wannabes all over the Internet do this out of self hate and inferiority complex as Africans in contrast to the great admiration for Hebrews, Arabs and the likes from that region

The major problem here with anyone pushing this is actually their lack of scholarship, lack of expertise on both West African and Levantine civilizations

I agree with you.

kayfra:


And who told you we couldn't have developed all that awesome cultural stuff mostly on our own and why do we have to appropriate other perceived advanced races to justify our own advancement?

Why the self loathing and hate?

Wake up and re-read my post. I can't be arguing with you on something I didn't write. If you want me to break it down, I'll gladly do so.

Obalufon:
Yoruba are not bantu ..

Common sense and comprehension is so far away from you
Smh
So you read and understood that "Yoruba are Bantu" from my post?? How? Where?

FrLukas:


Wake up and re-read my post. I can't be arguing with you on something I didn't write. If you want me to break it down, I'll gladly do so.

You are trying to trace our origins to account for our ingenuity.

Abi what am I missing? No room for a largely indigenous growth from your Epistle. It must be from a source that must be traced so we can explain why we are great.

Ammiright or you want me to quote the parts?

FrLukas:
I am not convinced that the Yorubas have a Hebrew heritage. The OP has provided no proof of this, just some mumbo jumbo about Elijah being taken away by a whirlwind and trying to link some Yoruba words with this event.

To me, the link looks tenuous and tedious. There are ancient documents that link Yorubas to ancient Canaan.

A subject such as this is most important and can't be covered by a few words on a blogosphere like this one.

I submit that it is high time our political and traditional leaders as well as academic scholars like Wole Soyinka and keepers of our ancient heritage and secrets come together and help us trace our root and our source.

Enough of all of these guess works and grandstanding. They are misleading.

That Yorubas originated from an ancient, rich and very developed source is not in doubt. You only need to check out the richness of the language, the idioms, idiosyncrasies, proverbs and general use of the language. You need to understand the Yoruba religion which some others have called Santeria, the beauty of the lores and legends, the elaborateness of the religious practices, the incredibility of the pantheons of gods in Yorubaland.

All these point to a history, obviously forgotten, that would wow us and make us understand that there was probably a time when our forefathers walked the earth majestically.

The time is ripe to harness all the intelligence we can muster as a people to trace our origins, because a people who don't know their past, will blunder and stumble on into the future.

When we know whose children we truly are then can we begin to cast off the yoke of white supremacy that beclouds out senses and makes us think we are inferior to the whites.

Then and only then can we look at ourselves and observe our living conditions in disgust and strive to become who we are meant to be.

This cannot happen if we keep misinforming ourselves and holding ourselves up to a standard that I am quite sure is way beneath us.

I remember that this was how some Moslems in Yorubaland tried to twist our history by saying that Oduduwa migrated from Mecca and the likes.

Yoruba, ji, ma sun!

You said Yoruba is not Hebrew but from Canaan.

You disagree that Yoruba is from Mecca.

Canaan is also called Kinan or Kinana.

If you uphold the theory that Yoruba is from Canaan then you probably do not know that the early Meccans were called Ibn Kinana.


I agree that Elders in various areas of specialties need to come together for a Yoruba project.

Obalufon:
advance race .. look how daft you are ..you've been taught to believe we are not advance . you need to study yoruba race first ..Yoruba is different .. The problem you people have, is trying to merge us together with other tribes or aborigine of the forest... when our forefathers boldly pride themselves as superior and different from their neighbors Also forbid any link with their neighbors ,To them anyone outside yoruba race is not human

Call me when you learn to read

Obalufon:
advance race .. look how daft you are ..you've been taught to believe we are not advance . you need to study yoruba race first ..Yoruba is different .. The problem you people have, is trying to merge us together with other tribes or aborigine of the forest... when our forefathers boldly pride themselves as superior and different from their neighbors Also forbid any link with their neighbors ,To them anyone outside yoruba race is not human

Till today that decree still holds truth.

macof:


Common sense and comprehension is so far away from you
Smh
So you read and understood that "Yoruba are Bantu" from my post?? How? Where?

laughing quick to fire the shot i knew where you are driving at ...so we are not bantu ...You believe you are historian please i need to know Fulani origin and Hausa origin ..Bornu origin ..and Senegal

MetaPhysical:


You said Yoruba is not Hebrew but from Canaan.

You disagree that Yoruba is from Mecca.

Canaan is also called Kinan or Kinana.

If you uphold the theory that Yoruba is from Canaan then you probably do not know that the early Meccans were called Ibn Kinana.


I agree that Elders in various areas of specialties need to come together for a Yoruba project.

Please read my post well. I didn't say Yoruba is from Canaan. I said there are ancient documents that point to Canaan...

It doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Or it could be that they settled there from somewhere.

I didn't give any definitive answer in my original post. We need to do in-depth research is what I said.

macof:



There is so much work to be done on African history sure but you don't go around with crazy imaginative constructions. This feeling of inferiority is such a pitiful consequence of the anti African/anti Black propaganda that the world has used to justify their atrocities... Propaganda also carried and maintained through Islam and Christianity brought to our lands
Africans are the only ones who want to be anything but what they are
Not just these particular 3 or 4 guys over the Yoruba
Thousands maybe Millions of igbos will swear they are Hebrews... You have such people among the Akan, Ewe and the Bantu groups too


It's like it's a shame to have African origin
As much as it is obvious that these bands of Hebrew and Arab wannabes all over the Internet do this out of self hate and inferiority complex as Africans in contrast to the great admiration for Hebrews, Arabs and the likes from that region

The major problem here with anyone pushing this is actually their lack of scholarship, lack of expertise on both West African and Levantine civilizations

Even Children of Israel admit, historically, that Canaan was not originally their land.

Children of Kahtan as well admit that the Arabian Peninsula was already occupied by a race of people before their arrival.

So when you say we want to be Hebrews and Arabs....thats because you assume and misunderatand who Hebrews and Arabs were originally.

You claim to have scholarship but the people you call Hebrews and Arabs had recorded their own history and accepted they were conquerors on lands we now call Israel, Assyria and Arabia.

Which part of their disclaimer do you not understand?

macof:


Common sense and comprehension is so far away from you
Smh
So you read and understood that "Yoruba are Bantu" from my post?? How? Where?

Thats what youve always claimed.....mixing us up with bantu stock.

Can you not propose a distinct and independent Yoruba race without throwing up Niger-Congo?

Give Ile Ife its own distinct world order separate and do not add any Congo stock to it.

Lets hear you try it....

[quote author=kayfra post=85570035]

You are trying to trace our origins to account for our ingenuity.

I am trying to trace... Where in my post does it show that I am trying to trace anything?

Abi what am I missing? No room for a largely indigenous growth from your Epistle.

Go and read the post again. It is not a thesis nor is it a scientific research into the origins of the Yorubas. It is a response to the OP.

It must be from a source that must be traced so we can explain why we are great.

Do I have to explain to you the concept that everything has a source?

Ammiright or you want me to quote the parts?

As you wish. My post, my opinion. Take that which you agree with and discard the rest. Or discard everything if you like. Your choice.

FrLukas:


Please read my post well. I didn't say Yoruba is from Canaan. I said there are ancient documents that point to Canaan...

It doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Or it could be that they settled there from somewhere.

I didn't give any definitive answer in my original post. We need to do in-depth research is what I said.

Cool!

FrLukas is saying many theories exist, some true, some mythical, some false. Instead of depending on half measures, he is proposing a full grade authentic and agreed upon record put together by a committee of authorities on Yoruba to issue a truth on origin.

This is good idea.

MetaPhysical:
FrLukas is saying many theories exist, some true, some mythical, some false. Instead of depending on half measures, he is proposing a full grade authentic and agreed upon record put together by a committee of authorities on Yoruba to issue a truth on origin.

This is good idea.

God bless you. That's the summary of my post.

yoruba...

FrLukas:


God bless you. That's the summary of my post.

God bless you too.

MetaPhysical:


Thats what youve always claimed.....mixing us up with bantu stock.

Can you not propose a distinct and independent Yoruba race without throwing up Niger-Congo?

Give Ile Ife its own distinct world order separate and do not add any Congo stock to it.

Lets hear you try it....

Common sense is also far from you. Apparently you've learnt nothing, maybe you have to go back to all my previous posts because I'm not repeating myself

MetaPhysical:
FrLukas is saying many theories exist, some true, some mythical, some false. Instead of depending on half measures, he is proposing a full grade authentic and agreed upon record put together by a committee of authorities on Yoruba to issue a truth on origin.

This is good idea.

if you understand the need for truth you would work towards finding evidence for your so called theories
There are enough falsehoods already

who are the Hausa , Bornu.. Senegal and Fulani, Dogon , soninke

macof:


Common sense is also far from you. Apparently you've learnt nothing, maybe you have to go back to all my previous posts because I'm not repeating myself

Please dont! Im tired of being lumped with bantus.

yoruba are not Bantu ..Bantu are naked people their thought process is different from us

who are the Hausa , Bornu.. Senegal and Fulani, Dogon , soninke....Macof please i need your expertise i believe you are historian

my ancestors will raise from their graves and swear for anyone that dare call them Bantus because they detest it with passion