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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by MetaPhysical: 2:46pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
Olu317: Can you imagine, somebody that claims he is a professional historian fa..... His famed "methodology" demonstrated in his last response has shown him to be a quack! 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 3:32pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
MetaPhysical: Obviously because you don't know a thing and rely solely on imaginative construction Somehow I was expecting you to react this way as no way you would be willing to let go of your cherished "clue" of Aramean is Oranmiyan Look at how trashing your so called clue got all of you so worked up... The raging furry and frustration These are my main sources: the books "The Aramaeans: Their Ancient History, Culture, Religion" and "Studies in Aramaic Inscriptions and Onomastics" By Edward Lipiński a world renowned Scholar on Semitic languages and general Levantine history I also know through years of experience the transformation pattern of Greek words through Latin into English This reaction is priceless . Like pouring salt on a couple of pesky little earthworms PS. And yes, in case you don't know, historical linguistics is one of the Auxilary Sciences used to advance historical research. My use of etymology is very valid.
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 3:47pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
Olu317: Sort this out with MetaPhysical because according to him Aramean is a corrupted form of Oranmiyan You both don't even have the same "clues" Your clues are just all over the place like a babies diarrhea... No coordination, no consistency, no relevance But of course, after all each of you are using your individual imagination so it will always come out with unmatchable "clues" Notice I put quotes on that PS. The Arameans come from the Syrian enclaves not Iraq I honestly don't want to have to embarrass you on this one again |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by MetaPhysical: 6:45pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
macof: We find that Idums are always associated with Edoms. There is a neighbor of the Edoms called Nabatas. Respectively these are Idumeans, Edomites and Nabateans. You are not teaching anything new by injecting Greek/Latin name identifiers into your "methodology". We already know Hausa have identifiers ending in -wa. Larabawa, Yarabawa, Hausawa, Nupawa. So to pull up a distracting "methodology" trying to teach why Adamawa carries the wa suffix is a show of indolence and sign of a compromised intelligence. Perharps you have also read from me in either one of the Yoruba threads or a Bini/Edo thread that - 1. Idu is central to Ife and would have been used in ancient times as a geo-locator for the presence of an Orisha or its shrine. 2. When we go away from Ife Idu transforms and becomes Ado, Ido, Idi, Edo, Odo, and so on depending on the properties, gender and character of Idu that is imbibed. 3. There are many culturally indigeneous names in Yoruba that also repeat and mirrored in Holy scriptures and as well in the lands in which these scriptures took root. 4. Anywhere you read about Idumeans mention is also made of Edomites and their neighbors Nabateans....and from them came the people of Ad, who were the forebears of Arabs. 5. From above you should see even in history that there is an interlink between Idu, Edo and Ado. 6. Who were the Nabatas, or Nabateans? Their origin is unknown but their name Nabata is an attribute of their association with water. 7. The Yoruba L when it occurs in AfroAsia it becoms N. This where Noa became Lua (as in Omoluabi). Lamurudu became Nimrod. Similarly, Labata became Nabata. 8. In Yoruba, Abata is swamp. Those that dwell in marshy grounds are Labata. 9. In my familiarity of historical accounts I have never read anywhere that history declared it could not find a people's origin....as it did with the Nabateans. 10. Is it remotely possible that Yorubas had two epochs of migration, one in which from Ife we went out and settled the fertile crescent, to be called Idumeans, Edomites, Nabateans; and a return after the founding of Ad, Arabs, Koreish, back to Ife where we are now known as Yoruba and people of Adamu Orisha? Mr Macof, will you open your mind and be completely unbiased to the prospects of what we are bringing to you and study these information for their hints instead of trying to sell us a methodology that is limited in scope, and at best you have no grip on to benefit us or yourself... |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 8:34pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
MetaPhysical: I see the burn has subsided and you are calmer now Oh and I didn't intend to teach you something new. This isn't the first time I would be hitting your head with lectures like these... I was reminding you who I am And why you need to take history seriously around historians since you want to do a historians job. I might clown sometimes but this entire situation is not a joke Here you are again with more claims. Do you have evidence for them? Or just how did you even reach this conclusion? What was your method? Did you check the etymology of these words, did you consider the available historical narratives? Are there recorded contacts between the Yoruba and the Nabateans and Edomites? Have you familiarised yourself with who these people were? Did you check for archaeological findings? Did you bother to include distance and the millions of people between Yorùbáland and the Middle East in your thoughts before reaching this Conclusion of back and forth migration? Or what are your sources? Try doing so and filter your claims... Take out those weak ones that scrumble when you scrutinize them yourself I am always unbiased. You are just too emotional and can't stand questions And I asked you earlier if you knew the historical narrative about Oranmiyan that earned him the name Oranmiyan in the first place? You never answered Let's make this a proper lecture if you aren't too emotional for it |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by MetaPhysical: 8:54pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
macof: Reserve your solicitation for someone else. Everything I say in that post Ive said many times before. I have also told you many times before now that history is behind oral records and art records. History goes to oral source to collect information it uses to produce knowledge. The information I share with you are also found in arts, in occults, in words, in religion and even in myths. You are too small and academically insufficient to be abreast of me on the topic of root and origin of Yoruba, return here with a phd in history, I will still be ahead bringing you new ideas, and you will be in same position lamenting lack of methodology. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 9:38pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
MetaPhysical: LOL the similar response to what I expected. Of course no way are you ready to scrutinize your claims Do provide your source on such oral accounts and evidence of arts, religious practice and the rest And you still haven't answered the question on Oranmiyan. You accused me of being biased. I want to show you I am not and I will be willing to buy one of your ideas if you can prove it I know you have many ideas, ideas you create out of your wild imagination but that's not how history works |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by MetaPhysical: 10:18pm On Dec 30, 2019 |
macof: But im not an historian. Im not telling history. Im telling the past accounts of my phenomenal ancestors and their achievements as represented in symbolism, in arts, in words, in language, worship, war, priesthood and so on. What do you want to know about Oranmiyan? You are stuck on the Aramean concept. In Yoruba Oranmiyan himself would have either been a titular label or an attribute of his legend. We dont say Lamidi when we refer to Alaafin. Just Alaafin alone and people know who you are talking about. We dont say Adeyeye when we want to mention Ooni. Do you think Oranmiyan was the given name to the Yoruba legend? Try to think....dont just open mouth and spew anything out. Act like a Yoruba, even if you are not one. Stop speaking and revealing yourself as a pseudo-Yoruba. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 12:43am On Dec 31, 2019 |
MetaPhysical:You try your best to push a historical claim of monumental proportions affecting all of west African and Middle Eastern history Yes you are no historian obviously but you don't seem to let that sink in. You want to do the work of historians but don't want to do the actual "work" You are telling this and that, good.. Now provide evidence of what you are telling me or give me your source Are you not stuck on the concept? We both know there is no claim that you will ever drop, no matter that evidence provided to show you that it is wrong. Days from now you will post Aramean is Oranmiyan again But good enough, apparently you don't know the historical narrative that makes the name Oranmiyan relevant to Odede (yes, Odede is his actual name) And as far as the foundation of Oyo is concerned there is only one Oranmiyan and only one Oranmiyan is known anywhere in the world that is in Yorùbáland There are no entire groups of people named after Oranmiyan in the middle East...I have demonstrated that already There was never a time I wasn't thinking, or just spewing anything out.. That's what you and your band do.. You don't think, you only imagine.. Very different things If I say something I can defend it And again with this old gimmick of calling a person who is far more Yoruba than you a fake Yoruba You have not demonstrated anything that would make anyone be assured that you are actually Yoruba. What do you know lol He say I should act like Yoruba See Aramean and Nabatean wannabe telling me how to act Yoruba Wetin Musa no go see for gate |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by MetaPhysical: 1:12am On Dec 31, 2019 |
You cannot tell a builder not to draw plans or erect structure because they are not architect or engineer. You can report them to the licensing authority who will then sanction or penalize. You can report my information to a professional body of historians and have them penalize me....but to tell me to stop writing about my ancestors is bizarre. They will slap your petition in your face. If you doubt go and tell historians in East and in Yorubaland that someone wrote that Oranmiyan and Aramean are connected and the person should be brought to books. I wait to see your humiliation on social media. If your professional authority cannot stop me, who are you to try to silence the voice of the ancestors? You might want to weigh your position again regarding your advocacy and insistence that only historians are qualified to document the deeds of ancestors. E be like say you don miss road! |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by MetaPhysical: 2:19pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
So, this one is for macof. Kindly tell me the meaning of ATALA in Yoruba. Do not break it into segments like you are fond of doing for terms you dont have grip on. It is one word...ATALA..., not multiple like Ata Ala or Ata La, NO! Pay attention, I said kindly. So dont run mouth. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:35pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
macof:Sorry,you need check well to know where Syria the location is situated. Iraq was the base land of Or! though it spans across Land of Iraq. I guess you don't know that Syria is a corrupt form of Assyria..... . Either I agreed with metaphysical or not isn't the bone of contention but you are because you lack the empirical knowledge to know, little put of a lot before you. So,macof, like I had positioned, you need read more to learn because you know no jack about this. Come learn about the mystery of God. Oh before I let you go, have you check if Baba and Ba are Yoruba words or foreign ? |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by MetaPhysical: 8:31pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
Olu317: He is going to ask for your methodology. I think Baba came in with Christian worshippers praising and eulogizing God through the trinity. L'oruko BaBa, ati Omo, ati Emi Mimo! Before its widespread usage and acceptance, Ba is what Yoruba used. Baa mi - Baale - Bale But now how do we explain Babatunde, Babajide, Babayemi...if Baba is foreign? |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 5:43am On Jan 01, 2020 |
MetaPhysical: Oga provide evidence of your claims .. Simple as that All this shameless bickering only because you can't defend any of your numerous claims The only thing you have been told to stop doing is your imaginative construction. The past and deeds of "your" ancestors don't exist in your imagination so you can't find anything using your imagination all the time Your ancestors that you don't know a thing about Nabatean son |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by nlPoster: 8:33am On Jan 01, 2020 |
The past and deeds of "your" ancestors don't exist in your imagination so you can't find anything using your imagination all the time One can know a little or a lot, but nobody can know everything. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 10:21am On Jan 01, 2020 |
MetaPhysical:The reality on Yoruba history is that there were two groups whose language are intertwine in Yoruba language which are Hebrew and Arabic words. These two were the speakers that are basis for Yoruba language and settlement. While Hebrew didn't influence Yoruba but they were the major migrants that inhabit the land in Ileife with their inscription that is called Opa Oranmiyan,which the reason that they established ‘Ba' dynasty. Do you know that Hebrew: Benas is Yoruba Binusi ? Meaning: angry at ! Yoruba root word developed from bilateral and trilateral, which were the reason the title you mentioned as Baale Baale are also cognates both in Hebrew and Arabic. Take for instance, Insha Allah and Yoruba's, ni ashe ela? Believe, these two phrase mean the same. Although some words in Arabic mean different things in Yoruba lexicons, while the transliteration and translation by English speakers of researchers of ancient Hebrew blunders too on some meaning,while they were trying to generate ancient Yoruba's cum Hebrew ancestors language. I don't actually take that guy serious because he is basically deficient mentally as regarding what is been juxtaposed here on protolanguage and place of Origin of Yoruba ancestors .Someone who hardly even knew what's ‘Methodology' is, on research work, books . A desperate man who is probably assimilated Yoruba man whose views are all retrogressive. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by MetaPhysical: 2:00pm On Jan 01, 2020 |
Happy New Year to all! To my brothers on both sides of the argument in this thread, I wish you all God's blessings, protection, good health, joy and happiness! Let's have new breakthroughs on the footprints left by our ancestors. Oodua Agbe wa o! 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by nlPoster: 3:19pm On Jan 01, 2020 |
Ba means to meet. O ba in this context can be a term of respect for indigenes of a place. ie people you meet somewhere when you arrive. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 3:42pm On Jan 01, 2020 |
MetaPhysical:Happy New Year to you and others. God bless. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 4:16pm On Jan 01, 2020 |
Yoruba language has what is called homonym. So, I am familiar with different meaning of ‘Ba' . Here are some other meaning of ‘Ba', without diacritics as follows: 1. Ba: bend,bent 2. Ba: to plait 3. Ba: to perch 4. Ba: to lurk 5. Ba: to overtake 6. Ba: with 7. Ba: Against 8: Ba: roost 9. Ba: aux.verb should, would 10. Ba: overtake 11. Ba: to find at a place 12 . Ba : to hit a mark 13. Ba : to germinate 14. Ba: to strain through sieve 15 .Ba: to ask beforehand 16. Ba:Father 17. Ba: king 18: Ba: respect; pay homage Lastly, a good Yoruba dictionary of 18th century and early 19th and mid 19th century will help anyone to understand some Yoruba lexicon better. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by nlPoster: 5:05pm On Jan 01, 2020 |
You should notice Yoruba itself has "ba" included. This context sounds more like "to meet" ie indigenes of a place. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by PeterKbaba: 2:29am On Jan 02, 2020 |
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:06am On Jan 02, 2020 |
Yo- Oru- Ba has been defined by different scholars which such interpretation can either be true or false. But to be able to interprete language;word, to it near perfection,then one must be a linguist who has vast knowledge on ethnography of these people and any of the ancient pictograms, hieroglyphs, papyrus, cuneiform etc to able to understand protolanguage. Though at times, there is no crime being a maven or bookworm who studied to ascertain the status of an interpreter which I find no offence in.But one must be able to consider the difference between Teacher's language and loaned language in a community such spoken language exist. , it is important to emphasis here, such people's work will need pass through litmus test to accept any research work as such! |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by nlPoster: 10:19am On Jan 02, 2020 |
Perfection and the study of language have nothing to do with each other, are you referring to something else? |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:30pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
The ‘perfection' in this sense is about the accurate meaning of names and words! |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by kayfra: 7:35pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
This shameful thread of Jewish historical appropriation is still ongoing! What's the substitution count of judeo Christian characters hijacked by the posters or how much linguistic gymnastics has been derived? Lolz 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:14pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
Modified: @ absolutesuccess, I want this thread to be within regulated closed members. Can you do that ? |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:14pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
@ absolutesuccess, I want this thread to be closed Can you do that ? |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 8:34pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
Olu317: Why dear brother? 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 9:04pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
"You will never reach your destination if you stop to stone every dog that barks at you" Winston Churchill. Between now and the last time I was active here, I have gotten my next book to 140 pages to be precise. The beauty of knowing is in writing. I'm proud of this feat. My target is 250 pages, two books (probably one by mid this year). It's a tall order. Changing the status quo is a great warfare. You never get tired on preservation of keen insights that comes your way. Leave the negative folks to their trade. Focus on what you have and give it to the world to see. Posterity knows what's best. You know all you know for a reason. Happy new year pal. 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 9:47pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
kayfra: Point us to one great thread full of accolades in your name. It beats the imaginations that western education got you so blind, making you another "happy distance slave" whose appropriation of English language is bought as "education". Unknown to you, your education is another form of slavery to foreign "organised history" at the expense of your innate gift for a degree guaranteeing a meal for your trouble each month till you fizzle out of use. Tell us your contributions to education. What subject have you coined?? That's what you lack as typified in your posts here. You have no innate quest and respects no quests. Hence a toxin to others in their personal quest. By now, you should be proud writing in your traditional Yoruba alphabet, on a platform invented by your gods as a man from the "all sufficient race" who is proud to have taken nothing from any other race of man from creation. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by kayfra: 10:20pm On Jan 02, 2020 |
absoluteSuccess: WTF? At the bolded The rest is trash as per the thread |
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