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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:37pm On May 09, 2020 |
macof:Explain the meaning of the inscription of opa oranmiyah if you know it. Secondly, how is Yoruba's Opa oranmiyah classified as Hebrew language as resh and yod ? 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:53pm On May 09, 2020 |
macof:I don't need to explain to you because it has been accepted in the scholarly world as classic Hebrew. So how dare you ask me ? Srop peddling falsification! 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:59pm On May 09, 2020 |
macof:How does shigidi mean to prostrate in any Yoruba dialect ? |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:10am On May 10, 2020 |
Olu317:You should ask your fellow middle eastern wannabe @metaphysical. that was his own imagination as you people get all your ideas from your crazy imaginations 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by TAO11(f): 1:12am On May 10, 2020 |
macof: I've been waiting for your reply to that. I was almost tempted to reply saying: "that's not your view". |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:12am On May 10, 2020 |
Olu317:Lmao. Before you want silent for weeks I showed you scholars debunking whatever idea that the marks on the Opa Oranmiyan are Hebrew I know you have a blocked brain so it has quickly flown out of your head again 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:17am On May 10, 2020 |
macof: modified: As usual , you have no regard for scholars, instead, you peddle false information as fact. Little do you know, the inscription on opa oranmiyah isn't a secret ideogram that can be read easily. And the people who have tried to read said it is written in Hebrew. Now, if it is not written in Hebrew, what language is opa oranmiyah written in ? Perhaps, you will need to explain to us the manner at which, Yoruba ancestors had knowledge of alphabets during the medieval time. After all, Africans inscriptions ,even the old Egypt's hieroglyphs are different from Yoruba's. Certainly, such as you need be spanked on the head because, you virtually have nothing up in your brain than rhetorics. Interestingly, I know your ancestors. are actually, the type that were assimilated into Yoruba fold, because they were naturally not Yoruba people from inception,which is the reason you have no knowledge beyond West Africa ,which was not inhabited over 200,000 years ago. Yet , you keep chanting West Africa as if Yoruba ancestors language originated from West Africa. Any way, you remained your humble self; hypothetical mumu. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:51am On May 10, 2020 |
TAO11:I must confess, that you have been quite amazing with your pattern of information which I admire but you need review human history to have further understanding of world language,which is contrary to the manner at which you picked certain words in English and your perceived view of having Yoruba cognate. Intentionally, you hold a distant view on Yoruba language and culture history, which showed where you stand on migrant identity. This is because, you seemingly don't clue on the ideograms I can read and interpret which is the Semitic knowledge. So, if you picked any dictionary of Arabic and Japanese to understanding the relationship with Yoruba, then you have a big challenge on it. Interestingly, English language language borrowed lot of words from classic Hebrew ,which became part of her lexicon.So , I will not be surprise if you find such cognstet relationship between English language and Yoruba's. Mind you, cognate has both true and false ; which is the reason, you realise it is not about assumption or Middle Eastern ideology. Lastly, do you know Agada ; scimitar (small word being used by ancient Yoruba kings, princes, great & outstanding warriors are Middle Eastern origin / Oriental sword ? Perhaps, you need pick up interest in understanding the identity of these ancient Yoruba men. Do you know many people have studied Yoruba's ancient loom, arrow, houses etc to be non West African ? |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:35pm On May 10, 2020 |
TAO11:I don't expect you to understand ideograms of Semitic origin or the religion perspective you digressed into because of the stress it involved in knowing or reading it. So, I understand where you are coming from. Though, I appreciate what you posited but such information is beyond NL because, it is strictly for public domain. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 8:54pm On May 10, 2020 |
Olu317: Welcome bro, its been a while. Hope you are good? Stay safe. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 10:06pm On May 10, 2020 |
But come to think of it, “seeking historical facts” is not the same as “seeking sociological answers” from survey of random, comical samples. Whoever is directing scientific findings wrongly, is unconscious of scientific principles of writing historical piece when tradition is all you have. Some folks' sense of "history" is recent "sociological theory" that has replaced the ancient thread of traditions that connects humanity. Its a novel continuous process of "desocializing" to "resocialise" people on another perspective of "history" without history. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by ZhiosonWind: 10:26pm On May 10, 2020 |
Olu317:lol |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:25am On May 11, 2020 |
absoluteSuccess: If you were intelligent enough you would know why TAO11 asked that And wouldn't need to make this outcry Studying the background of the person/persons making "historical claims" without evidence is one way to learn their motivation and tackle the very idea at it's core You of all people, who have claimed that I only question your ridiculous claims because I am igbo should understand the direction of TAO11 but of course you don't...or maybe you do I can't help but laugh at this outcry. Because it could mean you know what the result of such a survey will be Which is as I have always maintained.. Church Boys as yourself want to be Hebrew Quranic boys want to be Arab By implication take out religious sentiments and indoctrination and there wouldn't even be a Yoruba are Hebrew or Arab or whatever other nonsense claim African concerts to Abrahamic religions always want to exterminate the local tradition and knowledge, if they can't, they want to Abrahamize it 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:48am On May 11, 2020 |
funny how your rhetoric changes and lacks consistency. So now my ancestors are "one of those who assimilated into Yoruba" Funny how you know my ancestry so well. Almost as if you just take whatever comes to your imagination as reality Oh and I thought I was an Edo/Igala/Igbo (anything but absolutely not yoruba) man named Makinde Olufemi who's daughter your friend got married to Let me remind you of your last declaration of my origin Olu317: Now to address this more squarely Olu317: we both know who regards scholarship here My wealth of academic knowledge will floor you Here is an article by Claudia Zaslavsky the author of "Africa counts", here she references johnson respecfully and uses the reviews of William Fagg and Frank Willet to set things straight And in case you don't know what you are actually talking about, I posted a picture of the markings on the Opa Oranmiyan. Do show us the Hebrew alphabets you see in this picture Edit : wait, did I just read, "west africa was not inhabited over 200 years ago"? Like seriously? This mofo is saying at around 1700 West Africa was uninhabited Is this the guy calling me a hypothetical mumu... What does that even mean What a mess 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 2:12am On May 11, 2020 |
TAO11: I am extremely glad one person who I engaged in the past was able to be free from this. I imagine it's not easy breaking out of such. My aim is no longer to get them to reason, I have lost hope on that, I'm more concerned about those who don't know basic historical facts that might get pulled into their web of fantastic stories and claims Imagine Yoruba becoming like igboland where they have almost lost their senses with identifying with Israel 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 2:53am On May 11, 2020 |
TAO11:these are the kind of things they claim. No historical fact in their disposal at all I have to say you have a weapon of scholarly texts and books It's no news to anyone who is informed that Ife is set to have settlements as early as 500 BC using archaeological, linguistic evidence and interpretation of traditional records One of the projects I am currently working on is about the Yoruba interaction with Muslim dominated cities in much of africa, which could even shed more light on the name "Yoruba" and just how well travelled the Yoruba were Since apparently a few people think maintaining Yoruba are native west Africans is like saying we were primate isolationist |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 7:17am On May 11, 2020 |
I've been lifted up from this crass level conversation already. What a time with psychopaths! May I not stoop low to it again at any price. If you like write about the beginning of the universe. Or have the knowledge of all professors that ever lived, you don't have my knowledge. That settles it. If you like change from joke to morbid sadness. Trolling me never implies you are a great success by your convictions. I no be una mate in thinking faculty. You can always change cause you know little, but can't change whoever knows more than you. Na una sabi. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 8:34am On May 11, 2020 |
absoluteSuccess:just look at this mess Basically "if you like know it all and give me the facts, I will not accept because it doesn't come from my imagination" is just what this means @tao11 I told you these guys are gone 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:36am On May 12, 2020 |
absoluteSuccess:Yes, it is been a while indeed . I am good. Stay safe with your family members. Thanks |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:06am On May 12, 2020 |
Ayo Ogun; Samuel Johnson, Scribner's Son, Slideboom Fatunbi, Williams , Siculus, Dennet , Wi Lizzie etc have commented on Opa Oranmiyah. So, macof, what is special of this commentator of yours who don't know the meaning of the inscription .Beside, go to IleIfe to see the writing pattern so that you can see difference from picture onlione and the real deal! Even renown Professors , who are known historians in Nigeria or across the globe will never delve into what isn't their jurisdiction except such knowledge on hieroglyphs, pictographs, ideograms, Semitic writing knowledge are acquired but here you're, fuming over assumption . Believe me, you're a typical Yoruba man with the biggest Joke because you regurgitate , nothing new............. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 9:44am On May 12, 2020 |
macof:
Great |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:03am On May 12, 2020 |
2prexios:You see, the propaganda of 500BC of existence of Yoruba at Ileife was overrated and thrown to bin as false information because, it has no true radio carbon dating evidence . This was even mentioned in Susan Blier journal on ‘Ife , the birth place of Yoruba'. And you will see people like macof chanting song as if he know much on these area that he is delved into,yet he has no pinch of any from of knowledge on it . It is only in Nigeria, you will find educated bigotry at the peak,simply because truth is about emerging and some of these people don't have patience to be tolerant, which even Ifaodu isnt afraid of because, the ifaodu begun the knowledge of one formless God who dwell in Ora; light . Imaging people who don't know the difference between yod/yud and resh/reish claiming they know a language ,I am familiar with ? I doubt even if macof know that Professor Akintoye has also seen the Opa Oranmiyah inscription without him knowing what it mean and the highly respected professor didn't doubt the Hebraic inscription on it ? But here we are finding people postulating as if the authors they mentioned and rely on ever claimed that their research work on Yoruba ethnic group affirm Yoruba people as indigenous to Africa. Funnily, macof has drifted several times on many view on Yoruba iconic figures, such as who the Ooni was, Pharaohs origin of Yoruba Oonis,East Africa origin of Yoruba people etc Bro, I am not interested in exchanging messages with people who need ask question, instead of concluding on a language they don't even know the foundation of it nor the religion of her people called Ifaodu. English language is of Germanic origin and of Mediterranean,Roman-latin,etc loaned words. Can any of these people mentioned, where Yoruba language developed from in West Africa or any other part from Africa? Interestingly, West Africa languages don't match Yoruba's lexicon. Even the Edo; who spoke Igodomigodo language,were influence linguistically. While Ibo language became interrelated with yoruba alongside Kabba- Igala mix interaction, which testified to few loaned words across board. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 11:48pm On May 12, 2020 |
Olu317: That guy has exposed himself as a fraud and a deceiving devil. Can you imagine a man who must go to "many African countries dominated by Muslims" just to get the meaning of the name Yoruba by proxy? Whats the wisdom in this? A counterproductive exercise Do you have some muslim countries where you do survey and finds out the meaning of a word that has been in circulation for centuries? Now, tell me how an ancient culture ignorant of her ethnonym is aware of her own history by this implication. Were there people from the last two centuries who are "custodians of Yoruba history" living in "many muslim dominated countries"? If so, what preserve the name "Yoruba" in this folks' consciousness? Why this topic or its intellectual significance in the first instance? What is the inspiration? Discussions on nairaland led to "the project". Together, we have given purpose to a man and that is fulfillment on my part. But that's not all. A choice of "historical project" exposes the intellectual capabilities of the researcher. Therefore the phantom project is nairaland borne project. So, one can actually find out the authoritative meaning of the name Yoruba from "Muslim dominated countries" but can't come across or find out the meaning of couple of Hebrew words in Yoruba domain. One idea is permissive but the other non-permisive. Deception in Disguise So, what's "the proof of limit" or otherwise on mobility of the early itinerary Yoruba? Why not travel around the world for the same purpose? A fake have predetermined results somewhere and may create buzz for whatever lies he's cooking. How do you know this? It's always around the trending topics of interest that someone else chooses that a fake assumed as 'sacrosanct thesis' just because the other fellow could talk about it. So the psyche is that they (fakes) could talk about it "better". You can get the ruse from there. Why dwell on another man's original idea either wrong or right? why not conceive your own original idea and thesis? That's being an intellectual-subset. There are thousands of topics that an original researcher could generate from his wealth of knowledge than squatting intellectually on tired topics that you can easily pick resources for on the internet. That guy is not Yoruba. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:37pm On May 15, 2020 |
absoluteSuccess:Such is the type that remained as an amalgamated liar in Yoruba land over what he has no knowledge on but fume when people post information which he has no pinch of it . And I have find out that he is a breed that is angry over if someone has more advance knowledge than his false 500BC Yoruba ancestors occupied IIeife. Furthermore, he claimed Yoruba came out of Edo, yet he can't even defend against outsiders who are revisionists and lack on knowledge on ifaodu. You will read his post like someone who is vast in ifaodu verses yet he hardly mention anything on the Isheshe that he has being his focal point of defence line . Not to even see anything of him mentioning olifa/onifa for anything on information as regard migration a account on some of the odus. Ask him the Ose Isheshe that we are in this week ? You see him run from pillar to post Instead, you will see him posting lies upon lies claiming his visitation to Muslims Africans countries with knowledge of the meaning of Yoruba in such countries,which is a big false. I mock him seriously over his claims of even being a historian in the first place .I wonder if this macof know if Ajami exist or he has seen it before ? Even the Muslims who brought anjemi/Ajami's knowledge met inscription which they don't understand before introduction of a a form of Ajami,which is a bit different from the Tira(Arabic), because of certain alphabets found jn Yoruba language. The Yoruba inscriptions found such visual human heads,Mud fish, crocodile having toad in it mouth, full human size, slab for ram slaughter, with ram visual head, inscription on walls of Eluorogbo ,pictograms,Opa Ogun, Opa oranmiyah; which represent established spot for conferring authority of kingship on Ooni,Alafin etc and oath taking of not attacking Ileife. Like I said, even the amiable history Professor , Professor Akintoye acknowledged the written Hebrew language on the Opa oranmiyah but here we are with a pathological liar who claims being Yoruba but does not know anything about archeological research in Ileife that has gone beyond lips and bound. Sincerely, he has been bittered from the moment I suspected his dubious approach which made me not to revels the meaning of the inscription on opa oranmiyah,has made him more confused as ever. Kindly Ask macof,which animal is represented as the mightiest in Yoruba culture and represent King's trumpet. Trust me he willl consult widely before he will know it, even if he will, which is well explicit in Yoruba culture . This is indeed the reason, I don't take him serious because, before you read a paragraph in his write up, his defence line is insult. Cheers bro |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Amujale(m): 8:29pm On May 17, 2020 |
Olu317: Thank you very much for your investigations, kindly dont allow our criticism hault your efforts, peace and power, bless up! I will keep saying that" Much of your evidence is good and accurate, however your argument needs to be from the perspective of the African. As in, noone is trying to prove superiority over othet people but to ascertain certain aspecst of history for all that its worth. Was our language one of those used to invent this hybrid language outside of our concent? We've heard these commentary by other reputable historians, they claim that the Hebrew language was invented out of a combination of various African languages. When i read it the firsr time, the evidence was scanty, my initia thoughts was that to suggest that Yoruba appears in a Semiticsic language is simply , reaching. It wasnt until our exchange and the evidence you present that i gain some interest. Plus, there's new information that seemingly puts the Yoruba in the Nile Valley. I want you to approach this from a secular historical perspective, dont attempt to use your evidence to justify any foreign extremist religion. You job is to identify the interpollation of the Hebrew language as it refers to Yoruba and not to attempt at proving who are Hebrew. The few things to consider are L) Yoruba isnt the only language that exist with the Hebrew language. M) Hebrew language is of no importance to the African. As in, in this context, make certain to show in your write up the fact that Yoruba is the dominant language in your presentation. N) The seeming interpolation must've occurred in the 1800's and onwards. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Amujale(m): 9:02pm On May 17, 2020 |
Olu317: Learn to think, write and speak well of our people in all of our activities. History is the most important aspects of legacy. Know thyself, respect our ancestors. Btw when refering to history we MUST move in unity, when determining our history its important to put ourselves in the correct context, the people of Nigeria, West Africa have been in existence for almost one million years, theres historical evidence dating back to 100,000 - 500,000 years ago. |
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