Amujale:


Learn to think, write and speak well of our people in all of our activities.

History is the most important aspects of legacy.

Know thyself, respect our ancestors.

Btw when refering to history we MUST move in unity, when determining our history its important to put ourselves in the correct context, the people of Nigeria, West Africa have been in existence for almost one million years, theres historical evidence dating back to 100,000 - 500,000 years ago.

I am a realist and can't move in unity when people posit wrong thing,which I expect them to correct if they have superior information to that effect .This doesn't mean, I am against Yoruba if their origin begun in Africa but I have found out they once lived outside Africa, and they move to and fro to Egypt (,North African enclave) and eventual arrival later in present day Yoruba land. So, I don't jump into conclusion as it seems because, West Africa has existed even more than 500, 000 years if Utah Jazz have rock that are over 1 billion years old but human fossil of Yoruba ancestor is actually my take on this in West Africa. If anyone is sure of Yoruba's fossil human that lived up to ±14,000 years, should kindly post such journals to back it up . Mind you, fossil found in Iwo Eleru isn't Yoruba ancestor!

Thus, I am aware of the radio carbon date of Yoruba existence on this West Africa. And certainly The Yoruba ancestors are not Olmec, nor Bantu with pygmy bloodline even if these yoruba men interbred with people in west Africa for procreation purposes. Despite this, Yoruba came across certain Pygmy like people in their folklore, with whom they referred to as Iwin( goblet) Ajan(genii), Ajanu/anjanu/Alujanu (a man/men with mystic power likened to genii).

Lastly, I am to uphold Yoruba accurate history via ideograms/pictograms ,oral etc so that I am seen as upright when informing. This has been my focal point all along and I havent deviated from it but you will find some elements who actually thought it is impossible for Yoruba ancestors to be migrants, when infact , ample evidences support such. Take for instance, Religion and Art in Ile-Ife by Suzanne Preston Blier, identify Aboriginal and New dynasty( foreign group) at a point in time in Ileife history. So, don't blame me for being strong against some people when you find people who glorify themselves on regurgitation of same information that new researched work has brought such to null and void.

Amujale, I will answer your second snd lengthy questions later.



Regard,
Elu

Olu317:
...This doesn't mean, I am against Yoruba if their origin begun in Africa but I have found out they once lived outside Africa, and they move to and fro to Egypt (,North African enclave) and eventual arrival later in present day .

Very well then, stick to these understanding.

As in

Olu317:
.but I have found out they once lived outside Africa, and they move to and fro to Egypt (,North African enclave)..

Pitch your investigations on the basis of the above understanding.

As there's historical data that corroborates a to and fro movement as well.

Dont waste time arguing with me, get to work.

Its important to note that Yoruba is indigenous to Nigeria, Africa.

Amujale:



Thank you very much for your investigations, kindly dont allow our criticism hault your efforts, peace and power, bless up!


I will keep saying that"

Much of your evidence is good and accurate, however your argument needs to be from the perspective of the African.


As in, noone is trying to prove superiority over othet people but to ascertain certain aspecst of history for all that its worth.

Was our language one of those used to invent this hybrid language outside of our concent?

We've heard these commentary by other reputable historians, they claim that the Hebrew language was invented out of a combination of various African languages.

When i read it the firsr time, the evidence was scanty, my initia thoughts was that to suggest that Yoruba appears in a Semiticsic language is simply , reaching.

It wasnt until our exchange and the evidence you present that i gain some interest.

Plus, there's new information that seemingly puts the Yoruba in the Nile Valley.

I want you to approach this from a secular historical perspective, dont attempt to use your evidence to justify any foreign extremist religion.

You job is to identify the interpollation of the Hebrew language as it refers to Yoruba and not to attempt at proving who are Hebrew.


The few things to consider are

L) Yoruba isnt the only language that exist with the Hebrew language.

M) Hebrew language is of no importance to the African.

As in, in this context, make certain to show in your write up the fact that Yoruba is the dominant language in your presentation.

N) The seeming interpolation must've occurred in the 1800's and onwards.

I don't think my argument ought be from African perspective only but from all angle that point to wherever Yoruba ancestors migrated from because there are people in Africa and in part of Asia whose perception of each colour contradict Yoruba's view.This simply show that, Yoruba doesn't necessary need be from Africa and can also be from Africa. Unfortunately, I haven't seen much of African influence on Yoruba's linguistic as such. Take for instance, Such Colour as ‘white' In China, is perceived as in many other societies (both pre-modern and modern), whiteness was (and is) as the colour of death and mourning.

This Similar traditions exist in South America and Africa (Chevalier and Gheerbrant 1996). Describing twentieth-century Kongo cosmology, MacGaffey (1994, p. 255) explains that the 'dead . . . contrast sharply with the living in some respects, one of which is that they are white in colour . . . This same whiteness, contrasting with the organic and domestic blackness of charcoal, appears in masks all over Central Africa'.Furthermore, A similar example is offered by Robert Harms (1981) in his study of identity constructions among the peoples of the central Zaire basin in the nineteenth century. Harms (p. 210) notes that, 'White people were . . . associated with spirits of dead ancestors . . . Indeed, Mpoto, the name generally taken to mean "the country where white people came from", actually means "the land of the dead" '.


In contrast to these worldview of somee of these culture, on white colour, the Yoruba cosmology associate white colour with creation, purity, holiness or transition to holiness, eternity. And this is seen amongst Semitic Hebrew group in Near East. Interestingly, Black is the colour of death, and mourning in Yoruba, which is opposition to Central Africa, and some other people in West Africa. Black as a colour represent, evil act,carriage of negative force, void, tanned skin of human colour etc in Yoruba cosmology. Despite this, Colour of skin swings. between Dark, brown, white, Yellowish colour un
in Yoruba cosmology which Yoruba calls Pupa, pon, oyibo,mora(Yellow/light skin).

2. On the basis of Hebrew language being assumably a combination of African language, is semantic , as far as I am concerned and can be faulted because evidence showed the Hebrew did picked or loaned words from contacts with any community they met but still uphold their form of writing ideograms until their elite writers were massively enslaved and killed during invasion of their ancestral home, so picking up or shared words aren't neglected, which made historians classified the language as non existence anymore though it is not true amongst some scholars because this language isn't traceable by scholars ,which is largely over 75% a Dialects of Yoruba language.

3. Yes , you're right about your view that Yoruba were not the only group that her language fused with ancient Hebrew because, Arabic had influence on Hebrew and on Yoruba's as well, which is distinct from classic Hebrew. Despite, these loaned words into Hebrew language, the Egyptian had a sense of influence on Hebrew and Yoruba language, which can be seen in the title of Faro /Pharaoh identification, with Yoruba's Arole title to throne, Ra( horn man god ), Orah in Hebrew and Ora in Yoruba cosmology as a man that became deified as god. As we known in linguistic that language is dynamic in nature because once it move from aboriginal home, it gradually drift slightly to incorporate other language in newer environment it meets though, there exist an intimacy language (dialect) within the teacher's language. So, the world language did parted through creativity and innovativeness of the developers of basic ethnic languages at every point in time.

5. Hebrew language is important to Yoruba people because of the ideograms are ancient language of ancient Yoruba ancestors before fusing with other form of Africans they invaded or assimilated into their fold. Trust me, if you have ideogram knowledge, you will be amazed that these ideograms are inscription of Yoruba ancestors.

a. Are you aware colour men lived in Near East ? If yes, then don't doubt Yoruba's memorial language that represent far distance they call ‘Oru/Orun' and not heaven as being misplaced in some quarters. This doesn't mean heaven have one single word in Yoruba lexicon.

b.Are you also aware that the present day Hebrew in Israel acknowledged that they are looking for a peculiar colour Africans who are Hebrew descendants ?

6. There is no iota of doubt that it will not be a herculean task to provide you and others the connection of linguistic outside the Yoruba group with Hebrew. For example, A.B ELLIS, identify Coptic Egyptian language with Yoruba's language because both peoples answer the theophorous names.

This can be likened to Ferdinand de Saussure,who says, ‘the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence' (Ferdinand de Saussure (1972) General HISTORY OF Africa). Though the name Hebrew ; English word, developed from Semitic Abari , which is Yoruba's Abarin/Abari; one of the cognate fit as walk alongside a place/; accompany, mercenary, uniquely an ideology of language building to the world through bi-literal roots because a large number of triliteral stems point to a biliteral base in Yoruba language, which may be called a root, since it forms the starting-point for several triliteral modifications of the same foundational purpose.

7. Such interpolation has always been the basis for my postulation in my work on semitic origin of ancient Yoruba people with evidence on

a. Opa Ogun

b. Opa Oranmiyah,

c. Ogu (ogun) Tani megalith at Aensin,‘(The House of Oduduwa: An Archaeological Study of Economy and Kingship in the Savè Hills of West Africa by Andrew W. Gurstelle),

d. Iyun , segi beads(Classification and Preservation of Ancient Glass Beads from Ile-Ife, Southwestern Nigeria by Akin Ige),

e. Crown having birds pictograph on it, metal crown, crown with rosette ,crown having feathers on it front view,, crown that's fezlike cap (Kings, Crowns, and Rights of Succession: Obalufon Arts at Ife and Other Yoruba Centers Suzanne Preston Blier)'

f. Yoruba's shrine construction, Yoruba lexicon , etc are all not basically connected to Africa groups. This doesn't give credit to Yoruba' in Africa because ibi ori da ni la un gbe ( wherever one's creator create one at any point in time is where one is established ,‘( Kindly compare with other West Africa ).


g. Ceramjic of a ram found in Ileife( Ceramic Spheres and Regional Networks in the Yoruba-Edo Region, Nigeria, 13th-19th Centuries Ac)/

Again, it will amaze you that Yoruba language is a teacher's language in West Africa ( Ifaodu religion, should come to people's mind ). And according to Hebrew's ideograms that I have read, I have found shared words as well of Arabic, Egyptians which were developed in and around Delta Nile. This is because, classic Yoruba language is always descriptive in nature , unlike other language that shared some cognates with Yoruba's specific words ,which has no meaning or description in their languages, respectively. For instance,in Yoruba language

a.Aku ko( that which mutters to crow); speaking

b. O bu ko( that which smell and mutter)

c. eyin oju( the facial eye balls) etc

d. Se ekun/sukun ( drip form of muttering; to cry)

f. Ba oroku( bend your knees)

g. Pe( an organ of mouth open up to call another person's attention

h. Karo/kero(Salutation to the breakof dawn)

i. Oru( heat which is caused by excess of the sun)

j.han( to bully through aggressive voicing/muttering

k. o ku/okun( salutation to well being)

I. a she( that which will come to effect)

The point is that the Yoruba language is one of the pioneer language that revolutionise the world's language and are too numerous to mention.

Olu317:

Ayo Ogun; Samuel Johnson,
Scribner's Son,
Slideboom
Fatunbi,
Williams ,
Siculus,
Dennet ,
Wi Lizzie etc

have commented on Opa Oranmiyah. So, macof, what is special of this commentator of yours who don't know the meaning of the inscription .Beside, go to IleIfe to see the writing pattern so that you can see difference from picture onlione and the real deal!

The issue is not about commenting on the Opa Oranmiyan
( Learn it, his name is Oranmiyan/Oranyan not Oranmiyah
What nonsense is that )

The issue here is what did they comment and what claims were made and what evidence exist. Scholars usually don't risk their reputation going into ridicule unlike laymen like yourself who have no reputation or face to protect.

Having said that, I have dealt you a blow on this ridiculous claim that the Opa Oranyan has Hebrew letters on it.
William Fagg and Frank Willet are two out of the handful of renowned anthropologists and archeologists who debunked Johnson's speculative interpretation

Williams and Fatunbi have never claimed Hebrew letters appear on the Opa Oranyan

And who are Ayo Ogun, Scribner's son, Slideboom, Siculus, Dennet ,Wi Lizzie etc in Yoruba studies?
This guy just making up nonsense as usual...this is slideboom

And since you have been to ife to see the Hebrew letters, post the pictures. Pictures are allowed, if you have not been there, go there and post the Hebrew letters since you say the pictures online don't show the real thing see scope
Post the real thing then and defend your claim

Even renown Professors , who are known historians in Nigeria or across the globe will never delve into what isn't their jurisdiction except such knowledge on hieroglyphs, pictographs, ideograms, Semitic writing knowledge are acquired but here you're, fuming over assumption . Believe me, you're a typical Yoruba man with the biggest Joke because you regurgitate , nothing new.........

Precisely the point but you say it you don't understand it, you only say it to seem legit but you don't even grasp the importance of what you just said
And this ties in with my earlier statement that renowned scholars don't risk rubbishing their reputation, so they stick with what they know. Just as myself as I make my contribution to the world of academia particularly in History and Anthropology. You don't see me arguing anything outside my discipline

Academia aims to be objective and scholars must be able to defend their new position.
You are a faceless Jobless guy who doesn't know what else to do to feel relevant and you think going online to push your Church agenda for the Abrahamization of the yoruba is the way to go
Is Yorùbá history your sphere of discipline? Is anthropology or linguistics your field?
No. So tell me how this comment is relevant for you

Olu317:
You see, the propaganda of 500BC of existence of Yoruba at Ileife was overrated and thrown to bin as false information because, it has no true radio carbon dating evidence . This was even mentioned in Susan Blier journal on ‘Ife , the birth place of Yoruba'. And you will see people like macof chanting song as if he know much on these area that he is delved into,yet he has no pinch of any from of knowledge on it .


It is only in Nigeria, you will find educated bigotry at the peak,simply because truth is about emerging and some of these people don't have patience to be tolerant, which even Ifaodu isnt afraid of because, the ifaodu begun the knowledge of one formless God who dwell in Ora; light . Imaging people who don't know the difference between yod/yud and resh/reish claiming they know a language ,I am familiar with ? I doubt even if macof know that 1. Professor Akintoye has also seen the Opa Oranmiyah inscription without him knowing what it mean and the highly respected professor didn't doubt the Hebraic inscription on it ? But here we are finding people postulating as if the authors they mentioned and rely on ever claimed that their research work on Yoruba ethnic group affirm Yoruba people as indigenous to Africa. Funnily, 2.macof has drifted several times on many view on Yoruba iconic figures, such as who the Ooni was, Pharaohs origin of Yoruba Oonis,East Africa origin of Yoruba people etc


Bro, I am not interested in exchanging messages with people who need ask question, instead of concluding on a language they don't even know the foundation of it nor the religion of her people called Ifaodu. English language is of Germanic origin and of Mediterranean,Roman-latin,etc loaned words. 3. Can any of these people mentioned, where Yoruba language developed from in West Africa or any other part from Africa? Interestingly, [s]West Africa languages don't match Yoruba's lexicon. Even the Edo; who spoke Igodomigodo language,were influence linguistically. While Ibo language became interrelated with yoruba alongside Kabba- Igala mix interaction, which testified to few loaned words across board. [/s]

1 & 3
lmao
this guy can lie so shamelessly. so desperate for your hebrew masters sha

so you can claim Prof. Akintoye never claims African origin of Yoruba?
(see screenshot below from Chapter 1, pages 8- 9 of Prof. Akintoye's "A history of the Yoruba people" IF you didn't know, now you know , you can't lie here

2.
lmao you are just a clown. So I have given diverse opinions on who the Ooni is...really ? Where, when? who did i say the ooni was? And i talked about Pharaohs origin of Yoruba Oonis and East Africa origin of Yoruba people ...lmao
Abeg o, don't carrry your nonsense imagination to claim i said what i did not say.
Ask your silent confused one time supporter Rossikk about Ooni being of Pharaonic origin

Amujale:



Thank you very much for your investigations, kindly dont allow our criticism hault your efforts, peace and power, bless up!


I will keep saying that"

Much of your evidence is good and accurate, however your argument needs to be from the perspective of the African.


As in, noone is trying to prove superiority over othet people but to ascertain certain aspecst of history for all that its worth.

Was our language one of those used to invent this hybrid language outside of our concent?

We've heard these commentary by other reputable historians, they claim that the Hebrew language was invented out of a combination of various African languages.

When i read it the firsr time, the evidence was scanty, my initia thoughts was that to suggest that Yoruba appears in a Semiticsic language is simply , reaching.

It wasnt until our exchange and the evidence you present that i gain some interest.

Plus, there's new information that seemingly puts the Yoruba in the Nile Valley.

I want you to approach this from a secular historical perspective, dont attempt to use your evidence to justify any foreign extremist religion.

You job is to identify the interpollation of the Hebrew language as it refers to Yoruba and not to attempt at proving who are Hebrew.


The few things to consider are

L) Yoruba isnt the only language that exist with the Hebrew language.

M) Hebrew language is of no importance to the African.

As in, in this context, make certain to show in your write up the fact that Yoruba is the dominant language in your presentation.

N) The seeming interpolation must've occurred in the 1800's and onwards.

maybe there is something you see, that i don'T see. do highlight the accurate and good evidence Olu317 or his band have ever provided
As well as this "new information"

macof:

1 & 3
lmao
this guy can lie so shamelessly. so desperate for your hebrew masters sha

so you can claim Prof. Akintoye never claims African origin of Yoruba?
(see screenshot below from Chapter 1, pages 8- 9 of Prof. Akintoye's "A history of the Yoruba people" IF you didn't know, now you know , you can't lie here

2.
lmao you are just a clown. So I have given diverse opinions on who the Ooni is...really ? Where, when? who did i say the ooni was? And i talked about Pharaohs origin of Yoruba Oonis and East Africa origin of Yoruba people ...lmao
Abeg o, don't carrry your nonsense imagination to claim i said what i did not say.
Ask your silent confused one time supporter Rossikk about Ooni being of Pharaonic origin

Ignorance beyond redemption. Let me ascertain the following:

1. I have reference this Professor Banji Akintoye in the past when obalufonII hadn't deactivated. So,it is only new to a young lad like you. Kindly go to school and study to have Ideograms knowledge,if you're interested


2. Yoruba language is a franca lingua amongst West Africa in at point in time in history, which made it look as if Yoruba parted ways with some West Africa ethnic groups ( go study).This has been proven by research work over two century agos.

3. Iwo Eleru archeological fit of fossil human of about 7000BC never match Yoruba's ancestors humanoid features.

4. It is a fact that Yoruba's ancestors Art works are unlike Africans Art work, even if such work were done from 1200AD upward in West Africa

5. Professor Akintoye didn't specify where the exact home ancient Yoruba was based. His information is a based on assumption without fact. If the Professor wrote 4000BC, before the split in language, does it mean, he is right ? (Olodo)


6.Pofessor Banji Akintoye can't read the ideograms on Opa Oranmiyah.


7. The Ajami/Anjemi is even an Arabic inscriptions as well that was developed distinctly to fit into Yoruba's writing pattern much later, around 17th century upward which is even different from Hebrew pictographs(Semitic language)

8. Stop lying, and go verify your posts some years ago when you acknowledged pharaohs thrown was Yoruba's in the past. Liar!

9. Have you ever seen the facelaid pavement that was constructed in Ileife around 1200AD/1300AD ,which is different from other African's ? (Go study to understand the scientific technological know how of ancient yorubas)

Olu317:


Ignorance beyond redemption. Let me ascertain the following:

1. I have reference this Professor Banji Akintoye in the past when obalufonII hadn't deactivated. So,it is only new to a young lad like you. Kindly go to school and study to have Ideograms knowledge,if you're interested


2. Yoruba language is a franca lingua amongst West Africa in at point in time in history, which made it look as if Yoruba parted ways with some West Africa ethnic groups ( go study).This has been proven by research work over two century agos.

3. Iwo Eleru archeological fit of fossil human of about 7000BC never match Yoruba's ancestors humanoid features.

4. It is a fact that Yoruba's ancestors Art works are unlike Africans Art work, even if such work were done from 1200AD upward in West Africa

5. Professor Akintoye didn't specify where the exact home ancient Yoruba was based. His information is a based on assumption without fact. If the Professor wrote 4000BC, before the split in language, does it mean, he is right ? (Olodo)


6.Pofessor Banji Akintoye can't read the ideograms on Opa Oranmiyah.


7. The Ajami/Anjemi is even an Arabic inscriptions as well that was developed distinctly to fit into Yoruba's writing pattern much later, around 17th century upward which is even different from Hebrew pictographs(Semitic language)

8. Stop lying, and go verify your posts some years ago when you acknowledged pharaohs thrown was Yoruba's in the past. Liar!

9. Have you ever seen the facelaid pavement that was constructed in Ileife around 1200AD/1300AD ,which is different from other African's ? (Go study to understand the scientific technological know how of ancient yorubas)

This is just stupid and another shameless scope
Never have I seen a more shameless individual who runs from pillar to post in desperation.

This is what you said
"as if the authors[Akintoye] they mentioned and rely on ever claimed that their research work on Yoruba ethnic group affirm Yoruba people as indigenous to Africa."

And I showed you That indeed, Akintoye affirms Yoruba are indigenous to Africa

You don't need to say anything else but read the screenshot and shut up
This is how you sight imposters and fraud. Maybe you are not even Yoruba trying to tarnish Yoruba history and scholars. Imagine the fool trying to say shitt about Prof. Akintoye, a lowlife o.. Imagine

macof:

maybe there is something you see, that i don'T see. do highlight the accurate and good evidence Olu317 or his band have ever provided
As well as this "new information"

Olu317 claims that there are certain terms and names that are borrowed from the Yoruba language. I guess he will represent himself in that sense.

As for the new information, The Returning Queen, Kemetic symbolism and the technology used in the Obelix of Oranmiyan, Kemetic type Sun dials, well as the fact of a Yoruba mythological King who we find to have been the founding ruler of ancient Kush.

I have tried to explain to the dude that Yoruba is indigenous to Africa but it seems he’s finding it hard to fathom these facts.

That shouldn’t even be up for debate.

What I want is for us to look into these terms that he claims to have been inserted into the Hebrew language and the to and fro movement of Kemet.

Olu317:
.but I have found out they once lived outside Africa, and they move to and fro to Egypt (,North African enclave)..

Forget about semantics and the inconsequential stuff, defend the above statement.

Let your scholarship does the talking, what we need are the terms that you claim are borrowed from Yoruba and the narrative that has us living in Kemet and beyond.


Yoruba are 100% indigenous to Africa and aren’t Hebrew get that off your mind and concentrate your focus on the above.

Olu317:


Ignorance beyond redemption. Let me ascertain the following:

1. I have reference this Professor Banji Akintoye in the past when obalufonII hadn't deactivated. So,it is only new to a young lad like you. Kindly go to school and study to have Ideograms knowledge,if you're interested


2. Yoruba language is a franca lingua amongst West Africa in at point in time in history, which made it look as if Yoruba parted ways with some West Africa ethnic groups ( go study).This has been proven by research work over two century agos.

3. Iwo Eleru archeological fit of fossil human of about 7000BC never match Yoruba's ancestors humanoid features.

4. It is a fact that Yoruba's ancestors Art works are unlike Africans Art work, even if such work were done from 1200AD upward in West Africa

5. Professor Akintoye didn't specify where the exact home ancient Yoruba was based. His information is a based on assumption without fact. If the Professor wrote 4000BC, before the split in language, does it mean, he is right ? (Olodo)


6.Pofessor Banji Akintoye can't read the ideograms on Opa Oranmiyah.


7. The Ajami/Anjemi is even an Arabic inscriptions as well that was developed distinctly to fit into Yoruba's writing pattern much later, around 17th century upward which is even different from Hebrew pictographs(Semitic language)

8. Stop lying, and go verify your posts some years ago when you acknowledged pharaohs thrown was Yoruba's in the past. Liar!

9. Have you ever seen the facelaid pavement that was constructed in Ileife around 1200AD/1300AD ,which is different from other African's ? (Go study to understand the scientific technological know how of ancient yorubas)

You are still on this scam or we should look else where for what actually afflicts you? Any doctor in the house? This simply can't be normal

*

macof:

1 & 3
lmao
/
this guy can lie so shamelessly. so desperate for your hebrew masters sha

so you can claim Prof. Akintoye never claims African origin of Yoruba?
(see screenshot below from Chapter 1, pages 8- 9 of Prof. Akintoye's "A history of the Yoruba people" IF you didn't know, now you know , you can't lie here

2.
lmao you are just a clown. So I have given diverse opinions on who the Ooni is...really ? Where, when? who did i say the ooni was? And i talked about Pharaohs origin of Yoruba Oonis and East Africa origin of Yoruba people ...lmao
Abeg o, don't carrry your nonsense imagination to claim i said what i did not say.
Ask your silent confused one time supporter Rossikk about Ooni being of Pharaonic origin

KWA kwa people lumpup group of people old school anthropology ....we need to write our own history

German racist and supremacist group your people and you are boldly talking about it ...I'm yoruba man nothing like kwa group ,,,To hell with Diedrich Westermann in his grave with his Kwa group

kayfra:


You are still on this scam or we should look else where for what actually afflicts you? Any doctor in the house? This simply can't be normal

open up your brain

read book by anta diop on connection of yoruba and Egypt..i would rather go with african scholars than white people or stick to my Yoruba history ife as the centre of creation

Amujale:


Forget about semantics and the inconsequential stuff, defend the above statement.

Let your scholarship does the talking, what we need are the terms that you claim are borrowed from Yoruba and the narrative that has us living in Kemet and beyond.


Yoruba are 100% indigenous to Africa and aren’t Hebrew get that off your mind and concentrate your focus on the above.

I cant not teach or defend anything before some of you because, intellectual properties are paid for in full blown reality. So,when I am fully ready, you will have to patronise my book and appreciate the Yoruba ancestors work in Africa.

Are you even aware that Opa Ogun in Myth of IFe by John Wyndawn was classified as Semitic kind of structure?

Mind you,ideograms or pictographs that are not Hieroglyphs are found in Opa Oranmiyah,Opa Ogun, which has been classified as Semitic inscription, some inscription on Eluorogbo wall,etc . And purposely, I didn't mentioned what the nails inserted into the Ivory portrayed in ancient Semitic world ,despite the fact that amongst the Roman,Greek etc, this inscriptions mean something in each culture. Interestingly, Opa Oranmiyah inscription is a ‘Pitchfork' .

So, don't make it look like I conjured things without information to it before now. Seriously, your friend macof and nearly all of you have no clue over this ‘Pitchfork' inscription, which is Semitic for a long time even till now. The reason for your lack of knowledge on this thing, is because you paid no attention to it. Besides, ancient princes ,other royalty bloodline, some few priests have long died and the continuum of it died with them but their legacy is for people to have idea of their migration from their homeland.


According, to 1950s account, THE PATTERN OF YORUBA HISTORY Dr. SABURI BIOBAKU:
Director of the Yoruba Historical Research Schzme, Nigeria

‘The Yoruba are not indigenous to Nigeria; they were immigrants from a region where they came under the influences of ancient Egyptians, Etruscans and Jews. Their original home must have been in the Near East, and it is probable that the all-Black Kingdom of Meroe in the Sudan played an important part in transmitting Egyptian influences to them. Whether it was in Upper Egypt or the Yemen, the Yoruba came under Arab influences in their old homes, and their subsequent migration was connected with Arab movements. The migrations, which occurred in waves, formed parts of well-known migrations in the Sudan, through which the culture and civilization of North Africa were diffused throughout the regions immediately to the South'

But today, we have many of them not been steady on their account because of doubts and lack of evidence they see but can't interpretate.
Still, some people also believed through self conviction and through certain traits found amongst Hebrew without much evidence which made me delved into Ideograms(pictographs) learning.

On Meroe and beyond, ( Egypt), Hebrew; Near East culture, do acknowledged the power of ‘Ram ,which signify authority as also seen in Yoruba culture. There is a vivid example in, ‘Ceramic Spheres and Regional Networks in the Yoruba-Edo Region, Nigeria, 13th-19th Centuries Ac'. In which a piece of pottery with the relief of a ram's head (symbol of power, leadership, and royalty) in Yoruba culture.


In between, there is much in reading, about other culture so as to be well informed on what you don't have knowledge on. After all, the nails inserted into the Ivory were astonishing efforts, ceramic, Terracotta work. which is quite distinct from many part of Africa.

Amujale:


Olu317 claims that there are certain terms and names that are borrowed from the Yoruba language. I guess he will represent himself in that sense.

As for the new information, The Returning Queen, Kemetic symbolism and the technology used in the Obelix of Oranmiyan, Kemetic type Sun dials, well as the fact of a Yoruba mythological King who we find to have been the founding ruler of ancient Kush.

I have tried to explain to the dude that Yoruba is indigenous to Africa but it seems he’s finding it hard to fathom these facts.

That shouldn’t even be up for debate.

What I want is for us to look into these terms that he claims to have been inserted into the Hebrew language and the to and fro movement of Kemet.

Who are the Kush ? Kindly read about the kingdoms that ruled Egypt. The inscription on Opa Oranmiyan isn't Ethiopian or Sudanese groups inscription but a PITCHFORK! Perhaps, you need explain what PITCHFORK means in these African culture, you mentioned.

Are you even aware some amongst these KUSH buried the dead differently from Yorubas?


Bro you can read this book for a start, ‘Lower egyptian communities and their interactions with southern Levant in the 4th miLLennium Bc.'


I won't go beyond this information.

Olu317:
Who are the Kush ? Kindly read about the kingdoms that ruled Egypt...

Most of us are history teachers here, you are making me regret standing up for you.

Anyone who studies ancient Egypt knows where the so-called Kingdom of Kush is meant to be situated.

Yes the term 'Kush' is similar to 'Nubian', Ethiopian as it was used to describe our parents and other Africans when they was in the Nile Valley, i get that.

Am not here to argue over semantics, its better to follow the common literary understanding.

Yoruba are NOT Hebrew and im beginning to doubt your claims.

Olu317:
The inscription on Opa Oranmiyan isn't Ethiopian or Sudanese groups inscription....

Again, what is the relevance of you stating that here?

Opa Oranmiyan is his staff, it is known to historians as an Obelix.

No, Oranmiyan was NOT a Hebrew because the story was based on fiction.

Whereas, Oranmiyan is a real person of history.

Olu317:
I cant not teach or defend anything....

End of discussion then.

Yoruba are indigenous to Nigeria, Africa.

There's no genuine evidence anywhere that contradicts Yoruba history.

You ought to reeducate yourself regrds history, read authors such as Professor Akintoye, Professor Ogundiran, Chiekh Anta Diop e.t.c

Amujale:


End of discussion then.

Yoruba are indigenous to Nigeria, Africa.

There's no genuine evidence anywhere that contradicts Yoruba history.

You ought to reeducate yourself regrds history, read authors such as Professor Akintoye, Professor Ogundiran, Chiekh Anta Diop e.t.c

Can you even listen to yourself ? Gosh! None of these people know where Yoruba came from. Didn't I post account of Professor Subar Biobaku? Do you even know what his speech was against Idowu ?


These well renowned men such Professor Akintoye, Professor Ogundiran, Chiekh Anta Diop e.t.c didn't affirm the exact place of origin of Yoruba's. Are you even aware that 1100AD was actually Yoruba surfaced with their advanced technology in Ileife ? And there is no information on Yoruba place of migration from anyone of them. Did you even comprehend what , ‘PROBABLY' mean in an authored book by Professor Akintoye that that macof posted ? .


When I am ready, you shall read and comprehend effectively. C'est fini.

Amujale:


Again, what is the relevance of you stating that here?

Opa Oranmiyan is his staff, it is known to historians as an Obelix.

No, Oranmiyan was NOT a Hebrew because the story was based on fiction.

Whereas, Oranmiyan is a real person of history.

Have you met Professor Banji Akintoye before to ask him if the inscription on Opa Oranmiyah was Semitic or Ethiopian or Kush ?


Like I have said,the inscription on Opa Oranmiyan is a ‘PITCHFORK'. Kindly prove me wrong! What exactly does Obelisk mean ? Ask onigegeara ,inscription on Opa oranmiyah.


Cheers .

Amujale:


Again, what is the relevance of you stating that here?

Opa Oranmiyan is his staff, it is known to historians as an Obelix.

No, Oranmiyan was NOT a Hebrew because the story was based on fiction.

Whereas, Oranmiyan is a real person of history.

Have you met Professor Banji Akintoye before to ask him if the inscription on Opa Oranmiyah was Semitic or Ethiopian or Kush ?


Like I had said,the inscription on Opa Oranmiyan is a ‘PITCHFORK'. Kindly prove me wrong! What exactly does Obelisk mean ? Ask onigegeara the,inscription on Opa oranmiyah and get back to me. Facebook is the easiest place to find Onigegeara!


Cheers .

Olu317:
Have you met Professor Banji Akintoye before to ask him if the inscription on Opa Oranmiyah was Semitic or Ethiopian or Kush ?

What has that got to does with anything, i think there is a thread for the Obelix.

Who is talking to you about the Obelix?

It isnt a pitchfork, you need to stop spreading that.

A pitchfork is what a farmer uses to lift hay.

The Obelix is not a pitchfork.

An obelix is a towering monument.

Amujale:


What has that got to does with anything, i think there is a thread for the Obelix.

Who is talking to you about the Obelix?

It isnt a pitchfork, you need to stop spreading that.

A pitchfork is what a farmer uses to lift hay.

The Obelix is not a pitchfork.

Smiles! Well, it is a PITCHFORK AND written on an IVORY. Go check very well from a well.studied angle if you visit Ileife.

Kindly study what Ivory is to the world culture and find out where such Ivory is established in Africa. Then, understand the reason Ivory/Horn is placed downward and stand erected in world culture,especially Near East.

Seriously, I know the meaning on the inscription on Opa Oranmiyah but will never expose it here on NL, no matter, how subtle or genuinely some people can be. The work I have done, is beyond me but for all Yoruba's glory and the need for vast and connected groups of Yorubas in diaspora to learn Yoruba's language in Near East

Let me list the following:

1. What does Eyes in Court society of Yoruba's mean and compare with Africa and Near East ?

2. What does vulture in Yoruba's and Near East and African culture means?


3. Why do Cross mean in Yoruba and Africa means or Near East mean ?

4. Who taught ancient Yoruba about pastoral lifestyle or cultivation ?

5. How did Yoruba beads became alike like the ones found in Near East/Middle East ?

6. Why are ancient known as mortal with clothing attire and different from other Africans ( even Ifaodu practioners confirmed it in an Odu that's called Yoruba as clothing mortals) ? This is not spitting anyone or any ethnic group!

I rest my case for now!

Olu317:
Have you met Professor Banji Akintoye before to ask him if the inscription on Opa Oranmiyah was Semitic or Ethiopian or Kush ?

Like I have said,the inscription on Opa Oranmiyan is a ‘PITCHFORK'. Kindly prove me wrong! What exactly does Obelisk mean ? Ask onigegeara ,inscription on Opa oranmiyah.

Cheers .

Hi Olu, this is the same member you know as TAO.

I got temporarily locked out from commenting with my other accounts (spambot triggers), yet I feel very obliged to point out certain things here.

You've repeatedly made a number of remarks and claims here which -- to me -- are at best not well thought-out (or reckless), and at worst untrue.

Going forward, I will be devoting a huge chunk of my time to commenting on threads of this nature as I am quite certain that the Bini lies have been reasonably nipped in the bud -- at least for now.

Having said that, I have right here with me the latest work by Professor Stephen Adebanji Akintoye -- "A History of the Yoruba People".

This work, which is the "most complete and authoritative volume since Johnson's work in the early twentieth century", is the product of "four decades of historiography research with current interpretation and analyses".

It is also important that I mention that this work enjoyed great review inputs from a galaxy of historians of African and Yoruba History such as: J.F. Ade Ajayi, Elisee Soumonni, R.C.C. Law, Toyin Falola, Funso Afolayan, and Adebayo Oyebade.

All the foregoing is so that you may appreciate and be sure of the quality of scholarship that has gone into this revolutionary volume.

Now, regarding your question to Amujale where you asked:

"Have you met Professor Banji Akintoye before to ask him if the inscription on Opa Oranmiyah [sic] was Semitic or Ethiopian or Kush?":

The most information in S. A. Akintoye's work regarding the inscriptions on the Opa Oranmiyan is found on page 79 where he makes it super clear that:

(1) The Opa Oranmiyan have spiral head "iron nails studded in a curious pattern" in it.

(2) This pattern of nail studs must have had some symbolic meaning, but unfortunately this meaning is "unknown to us today".

Listen, it is perfectly okay to openly admit what we do not know.

In sum, Professor Akintoye does not hold any such pseudo-intellectual view to the effect that the inscription is "Semitic or Ethiopian or Kush".

Neither does any 'serious scholar' (or the body of contemporary historical scholarship) hold any such view.

However, if you still insist -- even after this -- that this "curious" pattern does have a definitively known symbolic "pitchfork" meaning, then I pray that God should forgive Professor Akintoye, as well as the body of contemporary historical scholarship, for disagreeing with you on this. /s

I will respond to each and every other related remark and claim you've made in due course.

Cheers!

cc: macof, OgboAto

OmoOlofin:


Hi Olu, this is the same member you know as TAO.

I got temporarily locked out from commenting with my other accounts (spambot triggers), yet I feel very obliged to point out certain things here.

You've repeatedly made a number of remarks and claims here which -- to me -- are at best not well thought-out (or reckless), and at worst untrue.

Going forward, I will be devoting a huge chunk of my time to commenting on threads of this nature as I am quite certain that the Bini lies have been reasonably nipped in the bud -- at least for now.

Having said that, I have right here with me the latest work by Professor Stephen Adebanji Akintoye -- "A History of the Yoruba People".

This work, which is the "most complete and authoritative volume since Johnson's work in the early twentieth century", is the product of "four decades of historiography research with current interpretation and analyses".

It is also important that I mention that this work enjoyed great review inputs from a galaxy of historians of African and Yoruba History such as: J.F. Ade Ajayi, Elisee Soumonni, R.C.C. Law, Toyin Falola, Funso Afolayan, and Adebayo Oyebade.

All the foregoing is so that you may appreciate and be sure of the quality of scholarship that has gone into this revolutionary volume.

Now, regarding your question to Amujale where you asked:

"Have you met Professor Banji Akintoye before to ask him if the inscription on Opa Oranmiyah [sic] was Semitic or Ethiopian or Kush?":

The most information in S. A. Akintoye's work regarding the inscriptions on the Opa Oranmiyan is found on page 79 where he makes it super clear that:

(1) The Opa Oranmiyan have spiral head "iron nails studded in a curious pattern" in it.

(2) This pattern of nail studs must have had some symbolic meaning, but unfortunately this meaning is "unknown to us today".

Listen, it is perfectly okay to openly admit what we do not know.

In sum, Professor Akintoye does not hold any such pseudo-intellectual view to the effect that the inscription is "Semitic or Ethiopian or Kush".

Neither does any 'serious scholar' or the body of contemporary historical scholarship hold any such view.

However, if you still insist -- even after this -- that this "curious" pattern does have a definitively known symbolic "pitchfork" meaning, then I pray that God should forgive Professor Akintoye, as well as the body of contemporary historical scholarship, for disagreeing with you on this. /s

I will respond to each and every other related remark and claim you've made in due course.

Cheers!

cc: macof, OgboAto

Well,opinion is quite different from Ideograms knowledge which I am well exposed into and sincerely you can call my work pseudo intellectual view from your perspective because of this platform or reason being that I haven't launch my book in the shelf.

Having stated this,I must be honest with you that I am not the type that comes online to create a remark without purpose. Interestingly, I mentioned ‘PITCHFORK ' which has got some of you or any one in doubt ‘pondering', yes pondering because even in the glory of Professor Akintoye, he will be humble to admit to it that he has no clue over what those inscription mean.

Therefore, it is no news if you see my angle differently but you have posited cited work that has confirm the reality of the ancient Yorubas language as lingua Franca in West Africa . This same linguistic connection that scholars like A.B Ellis, affirmed that Yoruba language was the Coptic language spoken in Egypt, which he compared the cognates between these two
groups.

Now Let begin to mention scholars work that claim place of origin of Yoruba's. And today , based on your view that Professor Akintoye's work that he did for four decades, still didn't solve the identity of Yoruba's. place of origin,even if he tried. Trust me, I can't condemn a very highly reputable Professor like Akintoye because is an outstanding man in scholarly work Yoruba history. But Yoruba ancestors gave a clue about their identity, which I will expose you and others to. Take for instance, Olumide, evidence includes the sculptures known as Ife marbles and the ‘Phoenician’ characters on opá orànmíyàn, an ancient granite obelisk over 18ft high at If (Johnson 1921:6)


Next;I Intend to show an information of a professor who acknowledged through oral account, and first settlers as aboriginal's view that there were Yoruba ancestors as migrants, who were different from invaders that came with YORUBA LANGUAGE!


Note:
interestingly you have showcased, the power of Yoruba language as a great language but you underestimated your ancestors power and language.

If not because of some evil and non Yoruba but assimilated Yorubas, I would have explained the meaning of what that Opa Oranmiyan stand for.

In between, ypu habe been subtle and awesome, with your approach. Shout out to Amujale!

Olu317:
Well,opinion is quite different from Ideograms knowledge which I am well exposed into and sincerely you can call my work pseudo intellectual view from your perspective because of this platform or reason being that I haven't launch my book in the shelf.

Having stated this,I must be honest with you that I am not the type that comes online to create a remark without purpose. Interestingly, I mentioned ‘PITCHFORK ' which has got some of you or any one in doubt ‘pondering', yes pondering because even in the glory of Professor Akintoye, he will be humble to admit to it that he has no clue over what those inscription mean.

Therefore, it is no news if you see my angle differently but you have posited cited work that has confirm the reality of the ancient Yorubas language as lingua Franca in West Africa . This same linguistic connection that scholars like A.B Ellis, affirmed that Yoruba language was the Coptic language spoken in Egypt, which he compared the cognates between these two
groups.

Now Let begin to mention scholars work that claim place of origin of Yoruba's. And today , based on your view that Professor Akintoye's work that he did for four decades, still didn't solve the identity of Yoruba's. place of origin,even if he tried. Trust me, I can't condemn a very highly reputable Professor like Akintoye because is an outstanding man in scholarly work Yoruba history. But Yoruba ancestors gave a clue about their identity, which I will expose you and others to. Take for instance, Olumide, evidence includes the sculptures known as Ife marbles and the ‘Phoenician’ characters on opá orànmíyàn, an ancient granite obelisk over 18ft high at If (Johnson 1921:6)


Next;I Intend to show an information of a professor who acknowledged through oral account, and first settlers as aboriginal's view that there were Yoruba ancestors as migrants, who were different from invaders that came with YORUBA LANGUAGE!


Note:
interestingly you have showcased, the power of Yoruba language as a great language but you underestimated your ancestors power and language.

If not because of some evil and non Yoruba but assimilated Yorubas, I would have explained the meaning of what that Opa Oranmiyan stand for.

In between, ypu habe been subtle and awesome, with your approach. Shout out to Amujale!

There is no need for a long distracting and unrelated piece.

The issue is quite simple and straight:

You made a remark which suggests that S. Akintoye agrees that the inscription is one of "Semitic or Ethiopian or Kush"

I demonstrated that S. Akintoye (as well the body of historical scholarship) does not hold any such pseudo-intellectual view.

In other words, you are alone in this, and you are no more than a mere Nairaland history enthusiast like most of us.

As it stands today, no reputable historian of African or Yoruba History hold any such pseudo-intellectual "pitchfork" or MiddleEast interpretation -- Those are obsolete views held (in the past) by amateurs and non-historians like Rev. Samuel Johnson.

Full Stop!

OmoOlofin:


There is no need for a long distracting and unrelated piece.

The issue is quite simple and straight:

You made a remark which suggests that S. Akintoye agrees that the inscription is one of "Semitic or Ethiopian or Kush?"

I demonstrated that S. Akintoye (as well the body of historical scholarship) does not hold any such pseudo-intellectual view.

In other words, you are alone in this, and you are no more than a mere Nairaland history enthusiast like most of us.

As it stands today, no reputable historian of African or Yoruba History hold any such pseudo-intellectual "pitchfork" or MiddleEast interpretation -- Those are obsolete views held by amateurs and non-historians like Samuel Johnson.

Full Stop!

Nl is a child's play as far as I am concerned. Kindly show where Akintoye explicitly affirm that his view on Opa Oranmiyah is explainable by him. If no, then don't jump into conclusion because you have no idea.


And on the NL, is the reason I didn't even break the meaning on the obelisk/ideograms/pictographs. So, I am not perturbed but you seems to agree witg those scholars that agreed with your view of West African origin of Yoruba people but have you read if Oduduwa and group are foreigners from a reputable Professor ? Well, Oduduwa and group invaded people in Ileife ,which was founded by Yoruba or Oranmiyan ancestors.

Notice: kindly proof me wrong!

Olu317:
[s]Nl is a child's play as far as I am concerned.[/s]

(1) Kindly show where Akintoye explicitly affirm that his view on Opa Oranmiyah is explainable by him. If no, then don't jump into conclusion because you have no idea.

[s]And on the NL, is the reason I didn't even break the meaning on the obelisk/ideograms/pictographs. So, I am not perturbed[/s]

(2) but you seems to agree witg those scholars that agreed with your view of West African origin of Yoruba people

(3) but have you read if Oduduwa and group are foreigners from a reputable Professor ?

First of all, I am glad you've eventually impliedly admitted that Professor Akintoye holds no such interpretation which you appear to have attributed to him in your reply to Amujale.

(1) I am not sure if you really do take your time to read what you will be replying to.

First, what you call "his view" is the unanimous position of contemporary historical scholarship.

And this position holds that the meaning of the inscription on the Opa Oranmiyan (assuming that's what you meant where you curiously spelt "Oranmiyah" instead) is "unknown to us today".

Scholars do not simply sit all day fabricating interpretations just because there isn't any textually/orally grounded interpretation yet. No, that's not what scholarship is about.

(2) Although your points (2) and (3) here is not exactly what I am addressing at the moment (though related), but I am glad to inform you that the scientific evidence repeatedly points to the same fact that the ethno-linguistic group known today as the Yorubas first appeared on the soil of today's Nigeria.

This is the unanimous conclusion reached from the linguistic studies conducted even by our own indigenous linguists such as Adetugbo, Obayemi, Oyelaran, Akinkugbe, et al.

Akinkugbe's study being the most thorough of the inter-dialectal and external relations of the Yoruba language. She undertook the study from the point of view not only of phonology but also of lexicostatistics.

The conclusion from these linguistic studies are also corroborated by archaeological results and interpretations.

(3) For your point (3) here, I think you have missed an important question which you must first ask.

You must first ask yourself if there is any reputable historian of African and Yoruba History today who holds such view of Oduduwa having his roots in some foreign land.

Guess what! There is none. To substantiate this claim of mine, it is sufficient to borrow the exact words of S. A.Akintoye where he writes:

"All who study the history of Ife and of the Yoruba people are now generally agreed that the great political changes which began in Ife in about the tenth century were indigenous in their origin, in their unfolding and in their dramatis personae. It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised; it is only in that soil that his roots can be found."

Reference:
S. A. Akintoye, "A History of The Yoruba People", p.57.

What I think you should do at this point is the very thing that historians did beginning from the mid/late 1900s.

In other words, you should pause and ask yourself who was the first person to write something about a foreign origin for Oduduwa, and from where or whom did such writer get such account.

I have once commented somewhere, at some great lenght, on this specific topic of Oduduwa's origin. I will post it here as soon as I find the comment.