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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Nobody: 11:45am On Jun 27, 2020
MrBible:
Almost all self taught talk trash like you do. Go an get a CS degree first and stop making up what you don't know about.

My problem with CS students so called boasters. Okay Mr CS how does a server and client computer establish a connection between themselves?

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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Nobody: 12:32pm On Jun 27, 2020
Mr Self Taught go and get a CS degree first then you can make better use of your time developing complex applications, doing research and coming up with new solutions to real world challenges. Zoom the whole world are using now for virtual communication was developed by a CS grad.

A good CS degree covers Network/Socket Programming which includes 'The 7 Layers of the OSI and other Network Protocols needed to allow a server and client computer to communicate within a LAN, WAN or over the internet. I will not waste my time here going into details into your question as this is a very wide and specialist area that only Electrical Engineering, Electronic Engineering, Software Engineering and CS grads can fully understand. Just because you can connect a server and a client computer together does not mean you know that is actually going on behind the scenes.
The question I gave to your self taught colleage relates to common programming tasks a company needs in order to automate their processes.

SegFault:

My problem with CS students so called boasters. Okay Mr CS how does a server and client computer establish a connection between themselves?

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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Nobody: 12:36pm On Jun 27, 2020
MrBible:
Mr Selt Taught Go and get a CS degree first then you can make better use of your time developing complex applications, doing research and coming up with new solutions to real world challenges. Zoom the whole world are using now for virtual communication was developed by a CS grad.

A good CS degree covers Network/Socket Programming which includes 'The 7 Layers of the OSI and other Network Protocols needed to allow a server and client computer to communicate within a LAN, WAN or over the internet. I will not waste my time here going into details into your question as this is a very wide and specialist area that only Electrical Engineering, Electronic Engineering, Software Engineering and CS grads can fully understand. Just because you can connect a server and a client computer together does not meant you know waht actually is goingon behind the scenes.
The question I gave to your self taught colleage relates to common programming tasks a company needs in order to automate their processes.

I hope you can read and by the way. Introduction to networking is something that is compulsory for CS students (it's in my syllabus) keep on shifting goalpost. Okay another question, what are the phases of compilation?
Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Nobody: 12:43pm On Jun 27, 2020
For your information 'Introduction to networking' is a first year model/course and this is child's play compared to Network/Socket Programming done in later years. When you have studied Network/Socket Programming later on you won't come back here to make noise anymore.

If you need help with your course exercise on phases of compilation, here is a good video for you to watch:
Phases of Compiler | Lexical Analysis | Part -1/3


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbriL-zIKMk


SegFault:

Introduction to networking is something that is compulsory for CS students (it's in my syllabus) keep on shifting goalpost. Okay another question, what are the phases of compilation?

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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by ayoola27: 2:46pm On Jun 27, 2020
AdekunleScience:
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pls is the jetbrains working in ur browser...

I tried following up the lesson but it keeps telling me I'm offline...

I'm using operamini
Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by AdekunleScience: 3:06pm On Jun 27, 2020
ayoola27:


pls is the jetbrains working in ur browser...

I tried following up the lesson but it keeps telling me I'm offline...

I'm using operamini
I can't really say why it's not working on your browser. Perhaps you should download a modern browser like chrome.
Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by ayoola27: 4:09pm On Jun 27, 2020
AdekunleScience:
I can't really say why it's not working on your browser. Perhaps you should download a modern browser like chrome.

it didn't display on my Chrome either
Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by AdekunleScience: 6:05pm On Jun 27, 2020
ayoola27:

it didn't display on my Chrome either
Check your internet connection.
Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Nobody: 3:54am On Jun 28, 2020
MrBible:
For your information 'Introduction to networking' is a first year model/course and this is child's play compared to Network/Socket Programming done in later years. When you have studied Network/Socket Programming later on you won't come back here to make noise anymore.

If you need help with your course exercise on phases of compilation, here is a good video for you to watch:
Phases of Compiler | Lexical Analysis | Part -1/3


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbriL-zIKMk


I am already doing socket programming so? It's not even hard at all. Though a little annoying but heck.
Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Nobody: 3:56am On Jun 28, 2020
MrBible:
For your information 'Introduction to networking' is a first year model/course and this is child's play compared to Network/Socket Programming done in later years. When you have studied Network/Socket Programming later on you won't come back here to make noise anymore.

If you need help with your course exercise on phases of compilation, here is a good video for you to watch:
Phases of Compiler | Lexical Analysis | Part -1/3


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbriL-zIKMk


You did not even list the others. So what makes you different from the others you are feeling bigger than abegii shift. You did not list the syntactical analysis or semantic analysis or even optimisation.
Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by AreaFada2: 6:56am On Jun 28, 2020
Hmmmmm
Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Person2person(m): 7:01am On Jun 28, 2020
observing
Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Nobody: 7:02am On Jun 28, 2020
ARCHEMEDESME:
I've noticed a certain trend ; a lot of self taught developers seem to look down on a cs degree after learning just an aspect of computer science.

For example someone who decides to learn backend web development ( which is a subset of cs)by taking an udemy course thinks he has learnt more than a serious minded cs student . They go about saying stuff like :" I didn't study computer science but I can know more than a cs major" but they seem to forget that computer science goes beyond developing websites. To me it's a waste of time of time studying cs just because you want to be a web developer , correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's what boot camps are meant for .

But that doesn't change the fact that some CS majors know nothing , I've come across some CS majors that can't code but that doesn't make a cs degree worthless.
But do you think such people are right ?

Self-taught programmers are the best, no one forced them to do anything, enthusiasm and passion alone drive them. They chose the path not primarily because they want any financial gain or any certificate, they only fell in love with something abstract at the beginning, they stayed on it and they later found out it is a rewarding and promising path.

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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Nobody: 7:08am On Jun 28, 2020
I am self thought with no cs degree but very proficient with 5 languages, python and delphi being my favorite. I am also OSCP certified.

I hate web development, dont know why but thats just me.

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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Ytgud: 7:10am On Jun 28, 2020
No doubt CS major know it all but don't master it all. Self taught master what she want /needed.

But no matter how, CS have an edge over self taught
Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by techmo(m): 7:10am On Jun 28, 2020
To programme is a different thing, and to design a software is a very complex thing that you learn through C.S

I laugh at dunce who learnt a programming language and felt they have arrived lol, Computer scientists write the so called programming language for you and it's compilers, they write low level programmes , machine language and programme most appliances software


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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by lawrenzooo: 7:11am On Jun 28, 2020
You would not blame those self thought developers. I have seen CS graduates that don't know how to boot a computer let alone program. Majority of our graduates are just paper graduates ( it cut across all fields) and its not there fault most of the time as our educational institutions are not helping matters when it come to practical. back then in school in my department we had over 200 computers in our lab but there was never power for us to use the computers.

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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Microwhy: 7:12am On Jun 28, 2020
Probably a case of sabi sabi
Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by AscentSolutions: 7:13am On Jun 28, 2020
MrBible:
My advice is that a serious company should employ a CS grad and allow them to learn on the job or train them if they do not have enough experience. Most self taught are just noise makers as getteing a programming job is through connection rather than what you know.

Saying a CS grad cannot code is because self taught are not professionals so they don't understand that a professional can look up reference materials as their knowlegde is very wide unlike a self taught that only know the little bit of programming they do all the time.

You will hear self-taught saying a language is out dated when a new language or tool is out, not knowing that every language and tool has what they are best for and that the major existing languages and tools are kept up to date and can even perform better then the new ones.

Many complex projects are being scrapped because self taught do not have the knowledge to implement them and they will not give a CS grad the oppotunity to come in and implement those projects.

Gibberish, absolute gibberish.

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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by blessedchild234(m): 7:16am On Jun 28, 2020
So you want to tell me that a computer science students degree is worthless without python programming be sleeping there, your career as a programmer /developer is more solid when.you have cs as a base study most especially if studied for it abroad or in standard institutions the settings will always be different.
Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Nobody: 7:16am On Jun 28, 2020
I'm self taught and recognize the need to get a CS degree. Planning to, even discussed it with my boss and he gave me some good options for it. Has to be from abroad though, I'd rather do a memory wipe and learn again than get a Nigerian CS degree.
For now any one with knowledge of where I can find a structured playlist of CS classes from reputable institutions on YouTube should do well to let me know.
Searches like UC Berkeley Webcast and CS 10 - The Beauty and Joy of Computing give answers but rather scattered and random

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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by EvilSec: 7:17am On Jun 28, 2020
lawrenzooo:
You would not blame those self thought developers. I have see CS graduates that don't know how to boot a computer let alone program. Majority of our graduates are just paper graduates ( it cut across all fields) and its not there fault most of the time as our educational institutions are not helping matters when it come to practical. back then in school in my department we had over 200 computers in our lab but there was never power for us to use the computers.
EvilSec:

While new students might not realize this, "computer science" does not teach how to code. Instead, it teaches lots of useful information that coders might need, like O(n) or OS fundamentals.

To learn to code, the best route is self study rather than CS or any other major. There’s probably no other skill for which there is so much freely available high-quality learning material online.

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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by golddare: 7:19am On Jun 28, 2020
ARCHEMEDESME:
I've noticed a certain trend ; a lot of self taught developers seem to look down on a cs degree after learning just an aspect of computer science.

For example someone who decides to learn backend web development ( which is a subset of cs)by taking an udemy course thinks he has learnt more than a serious minded cs student . They go about saying stuff like :" I didn't study computer science but I can know more than a cs major" but they seem to forget that computer science goes beyond developing websites. To me it's a waste of time of time studying cs just because you want to be a web developer , correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's what boot camps are meant for .

But that doesn't change the fact that some CS majors know nothing , I've come across some CS majors that can't code but that doesn't make a cs degree worthless.
But do you think such people are right ?


I think you should also look at why the CS major student are not making "waves" so that the road side guys can feel inferior or close their mouth.

Answer is "jack of all trade master of none" . You will observe that you were taught every bit of everything during undergraduate, you major in one aspect during postgraduate and so on. However, the road side guy had major in that tiny aspect for the 6-7years you have spent trying to know everything. You will agree with me you cant beat him or her in that tiny field and the only way to beat them is take them round all your courses but who cares.
I did MSSC 2006 at NIIT and was shocked the guru asked us to go and meet those road side guys if we actually want to be very good. This is the same reason a Prof in Mech Engine cannot stand the a good road side mechanic. It's not pride, they are good and it's the law of specialization but they dont have the right to disparage the CS major students and I will encourage any CS students to start going to the road side guys right from 100L to begin their journey into specialization, dont wait till PhD, in the world of CS school can be overrated.

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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by ReactJs(m): 7:19am On Jun 28, 2020
Lol! This mrBible guy is just salty and insecure af! You’ve got to be on a different level of insecurity to be ranting all over this thread. I didn’t learn CS, neither did 3 of my friends that are all doing great in their line of work. I am not going to be the person to diminish the usefulness of a CS degree but when it comes to PROGRAMMING, Baba SOME of you CS students are just so full of sh!t. Your employer needs depth. They want to see what you’ve done and what you can do. How come we’re all getting offers from Europe if we’re not good? I have only met on outstanding CS guy who’s crazy at what he does. Just keep improving and stop crying like a little baby

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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Nairalandmonika: 7:22am On Jun 28, 2020
ARCHEMEDESME:
I've noticed a certain trend ; a lot of self taught developers seem to look down on a cs degree after learning just an aspect of computer science.

For example someone who decides to learn backend web development ( which is a subset of cs)by taking an udemy course thinks he has learnt more than a serious minded cs student . They go about saying stuff like :" I didn't study computer science but I can know more than a cs major" but they seem to forget that computer science goes beyond developing websites. To me it's a waste of time of time studying cs just because you want to be a web developer , correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's what boot camps are meant for .

But that doesn't change the fact that some CS majors know nothing , I've come across some CS majors that can't code but that doesn't make a cs degree worthless.
But do you think such people are right ?
Lol I have met quiet a few cs graduate,while some are very good most of them I have met don't even know how to code. Some still have to go back n take same udemy course that the non cs graduate are taking.

Most people expect that after studying cs u should be some kinda guru but that's not the case I guess that's why people don't take cs graduate serious.

Most of the badass developers I have met are not cs graduate

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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by bumi10(m): 7:23am On Jun 28, 2020
As someone graduated in CS department, is stu.pid for a web developer to equate him or her self to a computer science graduate.

Why they do that is because in the field of IT, people can care less on your degree but what you can do. And most computer science jobs you can easily startup and start doing as entrepreneur.

Nonetheless, there are also some industries within computer science that you require adequate degree to start.

Look at it this way, becoming a lawyer doesn't mean you can practice in all aspect of law. You need specialty again to practice in different law departments.

But the good thing about law is, even though you can learn it by reading law books and not go to school properly, you can't practice without a law degree.

So every dick and Harry can go an learn coding or even hardware and equate themselves to real vs graduates because they don't need degree to practice. I wish it was like law, that no matter where u learn, you can't practice without a degree or being called to bar. Law really set a huge standard.

I think IT industry is toeing that part little by little. Big industries now, you must have ITIL or CompTia A, or MSCS or some other certs before they can even consider you in any IT job. Is a good start.

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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Microwhy: 7:27am On Jun 28, 2020
illitrate:
I am self thought with no cs degree but very proficient 5 languages, python and delphi being my favorite. I am also OSCP certified.

I hate web development, dont know why but thats just me.
So please what are you really into?
Web application or embedded system..
Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Dangrace01: 7:29am On Jun 28, 2020
Black people sef una funny oh, arguing irrelevant things. Everyone has their role to play did Albert Einstein invent the atomic bomb no but it was his equation that was used.

CS and programmers is just like the physicsist and the inventors, the engineer and the technologist.

No one is really more important than the other.

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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by ediko5(m): 7:31am On Jun 28, 2020
SegFault:

There is nothing wrong in being self taught, I am tutoring myself in multiple cs courses like OS development, Internet architecture, linear algebra, physics (for the sake of gameplay programming) and System Architecture (this is very good for programmers and CS students in order to spit out code that makes optimising compilers look like dumbos). I want to also continue on Calculus (edx tutors make this stuff seem like cake, shame on Nigerian lecturers and teachers) and some others. It just depends on how you see yourself, some see it as some stupid achievement that makes them smart like Tesla while I see it as a necessity. Even college students should do it.

You have a good point.
I think the OP made the comparism between graduates of CS from a good university and a self taught.

But seriously, CS knowledge from most Nigerian universities is a joke.
Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Nobody: 7:32am On Jun 28, 2020
Microwhy:

So please what are you really into?
Web application or embedded system..

I work in cyber defense professionally and deal with embedded systems privately. I love reversing other's hard work. Maybe I cant invent but
reversing is my divine gift.
Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by specie103(m): 7:35am On Jun 28, 2020
One of the main reason I don't like programing language especially the ones that deal with web....
I look into the future of web design then and I see that in few years time, everyone will be able to do that on their own irrespective of their course of study, not only web, Even Android app development and ios due to the various CMS tools available today.

I do write codes but I enjoy commands (Networking). even with networking, I can't still seems to completely run away from writing codes sad.

Anyone who doesn't study Csc and thinks he knows more the csc major is just fooling his/herself and publicly displaying his/her ignorance.

Csc major knows something about everything when it comes to computing, and also knows everything about something. But a self taught programmer is limited to that programing niche domain.

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Re: Why Do Self Taught Programmers Over Exaggerate by Microwhy: 7:35am On Jun 28, 2020
ReactJs:
Lol! This mrBible guy is just salty and insecure af! You’ve got to be on a different level of insecurity to be ranting all over this thread. I didn’t learn CS, neither did 3 of my friends that are all doing great in their line of work. I am not going to be the person to diminish the usefulness of a CS degree but when it comes to PROGRAMMING, Baba SOME of you CS students are just so full of sh!t. Your employer needs depth. They want to see what you’ve done and what you can do. How come we’re all getting offers from Europe if we’re not good? I have only met on outstanding CS guy who’s crazy at what he does. Just keep improving and stop crying like a little baby
Don't mind him.. He is just insecure with Secondary school mentality of "science student is better than art student" .

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