Joshmodest:
Christianity is the most confusing of all religions ... if Jesus is the origin of Christianity , why should apostle Peter's opinion on husband and wives become something everybody should abide by ...
if u look at it clearly , men wrote these books , and like I always say no matter how you try to tell me, that they received Inspiration from God , their sentiments can never be overlooked ....
imagine ibiyeome or Adeboye or even father the father oyedepo , were alive then and had the chance of writing the bible , abi are they not getting inspiration from God ? they would have put things like if anyone defames you lock him up , or if your secretary is tempting you sack her or pay your tithe if not if it will be tithe for you , and the sweetest of all -- if you don't pay your tithe you are under a financial curse ....
And people of these days would have to abide by such nonsense ...

You need no bible to tell you that , your wife is also human , and needs respect to and not a slave that you can order around the place or insult the way you like cos one book says she has to submit ....
if the bible had even put it the way freeze said it ,my respect for the writer would be really high !

Daddy freeze , oyedepo , Adeboye , ibeyiome are all same of the same , confusing and brainwashing people , I prefer Freeze's brainwash tho , cos he comes with facts and not sentiments !!!

It is because you read it while looking at it from the slavery point of view and this is why you didn't get the point Paul made.

When Paul talked about husband loving his wife as Christ love his church and gave his life to it. He talks about Sacrificial love of the husband to his wife. One that does not think of his own gain but that of his wife. One that will not consider self first before his wife. Was Paul talking about husband being a slaughter goat?

Submission on the other side by the wife to her husband is not that of a slave to her master but a submission in love in every sense as the Bible puts it.

Please, tell me if with these two ways from husband to wife and wife to husband in bad for a home to be built upon.

Freeze can be selective just to gain audience without looking at the Bible holistically. Bible is to be read verse by verse to understand the Author's intended meaning alone.

Omoluabi16:
All these pastors are disappointing. They should stop giving this guy relevance. Outside this his attention seeking and attack on scriptures, he's just another unknown yeyebrity.

lol too late. Everyone is this country knows daddy freeze

bkool7:
Is this man saying the wife must submit totally to the husband but the husband is not obliged to reciprocate?

You just want a "Yes sir" wife.

Is that a union or companionship?


That's more like a boss and slave relationship.


Even Jesus honoured his disciples by washing their feet. And that's Jesus o

No get the message clearly. You will understand this better when you also read Ephesians 5:21-26. You will understand clearly.

Igbochief001:
Daddy freeze never said wife's should not submit to the husband ...he only said it's a two way thing ...both husband and wife should submit to each other ....and gave a Bible verse to back it up

I wonder what's wrong with that ?

The 2 way submission is different from the submission to Christ (the type Ephesians 5 says) .
Otherwise u are implying Christ should submit to us

[quote author=GarangDeMabior post=93764279]All these nonsense, See exactly what Christ did below

'Mr. Brown had thought of nothing but numbers. He should have known that the kingdom of God did not depend on large crowds. Our Lord Himself stressed the importance of fewness. Narrow is the way and few the number. To fill the Lord's holy temple with an idolatrous crowd clamoring for signs was a folly of everlasting consequence. Our Lord used the whip only once in His life - to drive the crowd away from His church."


If Christ our Lord will be here today, he will use whip to drive out Oyedepo, Adeboye, Ibiyeomie, Ben Akabueze, Daddy freeze and others away from his church.[/and the five thousand men excluding women and children that followed Jesus at one time I believe they are few too what of the four thousand men excluding women and children that number is few I believe..] The Lord speaking in Jeremiah 30:19b I will multiply them and they shall not be few. Don't just follow the herds and talk follow them because you understand context of matters

tumababa:


I meant freeze misinterpreted the verse he quoted wrt husbands and wife. 21 is d end of a sentence. 22 started a new sentence which was the chapter that was directed to wives then husband. And it was quite clear.

Submission is not only the job of the wife like oyedepo pointed out

It's the job of both as freeze pointed out and stated in vers 21

Joshmodest:
Christianity is the most confusing of all religions ... if Jesus is the origin of Christianity , why should apostle Peter's opinion on husband and wives become something everybody should abide by ...
if u look at it clearly , men wrote these books , and like I always say no matter how you try to tell me, that they received Inspiration from God , their sentiments can never be overlooked ....
imagine ibiyeome or Adeboye or even father the father oyedepo , were alive then and had the chance of writing the bible , abi are they not getting inspiration from God ? they would have put things like if anyone defames you lock him up , or if your secretary is tempting you sack her or pay your tithe if not if it will be tithe for you , and the sweetest of all -- if you don't pay your tithe you are under a financial curse ....
And people of these days would have to abide by such nonsense ...

You need no bible to tell you that , your wife is also human , and needs respect to and not a slave that you can order around the place or insult the way you like cos one book says she has to submit ....
if the bible had even put it the way freeze said it ,my respect for the writer would be really high !

Daddy freeze , oyedepo , Adeboye , ibeyiome are all same of the same , confusing and brainwashing people , I prefer Freeze's brainwash tho , cos he comes with facts and not sentiments !!!

You are actually truly confused if you think Peter or Paul's writings were their opinions. Good luck with that thinking.

But I really don't blame you. I blame Christians who have not shown what Christianity truly is, or demonstrated the power of the true Christian life.

tundeloveday:
You no get sense

U that have sense explain

I'm not saying the pastor has the guidance of the Holy spirit all I'm trying to say is that it takes a divine wisdom of the Bible to understand the scriptures. The Bible isn't a poem. Don't be biased with your comment.

nedekid:

And the so called pastorpreneur have the guidance of the holy spirit? Funny you.

Some people are daft.. Why would a sane human being take marriage counsel from a product of a broken marriage like freeze?.. Since he knows the scripture very well why did he fail in his marriage?. Why not ask him to get a new wife n submit to her like he preaches..we celebrate failure and mediocrity alot in this country that's why we discuss bb9ja shut and elect corrupt n dead people into office

Nauttyprof:


He was selective and gave his own meaning whereas the Author's intended meaning is of utmost importance. If he had read Ephesians 5 from verse 21 downwards verse by verse, he would have understood the Author's intended meaning.

Wife is to submit to her husband by being subject to him in every sense just as the Church is subject unto Christ.

Husband is to love his wife sacrificially just as Christ love the church and gave his life for it.

The Author's intended meaning alone stands and not our personal view or what we impose on the Bible

Now that's your own interpretation ...if the wife was the only one meant to submit there won't be verse 21

21 gave the condition for which wife would be submissive .. if 21 is met then 22 can follow

Stop saying he was selective when oyedepo did same thing

Blitzerz:

The 2 way submission is different from the submission to Christ (the type Ephesians 5 says) .
Otherwise u are implying Christ should submit to us

Didn't Christ submit his himself for us ? Which submission is more than giving your life

Didn't Christ give his life first before we became submissive to him ?

Awol1:
I agree with Freeze sometimes but he's wrong this time.

Wives' submission to their husbands is not only biblical but also cultural and traditional. And as much as we want to westernize, there are things we must never compromise.

Bastardization of our marriage institution will be the undoing of the African people. Freeze should not speak further on that.

Daddy freeze never said wives should not submit to their husband. Have you read and heard what he said or you just react on hear say ?

farem:


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2177355615741631&id=444807728996437

This is a pure distraction. Christians are making this man relevant because they keep replying him . I hate it whenever I see pastors giving him attention

Joshmodest:
Christianity is the most confusing of all religions ... if Jesus is the origin of Christianity , why should apostle Peter's opinion on husband and wives become something everybody should abide by ...
if u look at it clearly , men wrote these books , and like I always say no matter how you try to tell me, that they received Inspiration from God , their sentiments can never be overlooked ....
imagine ibiyeome or Adeboye or even father the father oyedepo , were alive then and had the chance of writing the bible , abi are they not getting inspiration from God ? they would have put things like if anyone defames you lock him up , or if your secretary is tempting you sack her or pay your tithe if not if it will be tithe for you , and the sweetest of all -- if you don't pay your tithe you are under a financial curse ....
And people of these days would have to abide by such nonsense ...

You need no bible to tell you that , your wife is also human , and needs respect to and not a slave that you can order around the place or insult the way you like cos one book says she has to submit ....
if the bible had even put it the way freeze said it ,my respect for the writer would be really high !

Daddy freeze , oyedepo , Adeboye , ibeyiome are all same of the same , confusing and brainwashing people , I prefer Freeze's brainwash tho , cos he comes with facts and not sentiments !!!

You're the one confused... there's nothing confusing about Christianity...the scriptures were written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit if this is not clear to you then seek clarity to it from the Holy Spirit

prekumohtim:


This is a pure distraction. Christians are making this man relevant because they keep replying him . I hate it whenever I see pastors giving him attention

Daddy freeze has made more people read Bible than your pastors have done in the past 20 years

GarangDeMabior:
All these nonsense, See exactly what Christ did below

'Mr. Brown had thought of nothing but numbers. He should have known that the kingdom of God did not depend on large crowds. Our Lord Himself stressed the importance of fewness. Narrow is the way and few the number. To fill the Lord's holy temple with an idolatrous crowd clamoring for signs was a folly of everlasting consequence. Our Lord used the whip only once in His life - to drive the crowd away from His church."


If Christ our Lord will be here today, he will use whip to drive out Oyedepo, Adeboye, Ibiyeomie, Ben Akabueze, Daddy freeze and others away from his church.

And how do you know this. Need i remind you that Jesus some to a gathering of 5000 men and also another 4000? There were other occasions where the crowd was so great he had to sit in a boat in order to address the multitude. So if Jesus is againt crowds why then did he do these. Just like Freeze was advised, i will also to you according to the scripture. Study to show your self approved. rightly dividing the word of truth.

Pastor worshippers full this thread
Everything freeze said is in the bible yet people are dragging him...funny!

If you say freeze is wrong this time, then you're simply saying the bible is wrong.

Nauttyprof:


No get the message clearly. You will understand this better when you also read Ephesians 5:21-26. You will understand clearly.

Which message?
The Bible's message
Or this Pastor's?

Clearly he's not telling the husband to reciprocate so how does his message compliment the Bible's?

To him it's a one way thing

Tecord1:
And how do you know this. Need i remind you that Jesus some to a gathering of 5000 men and also another 4000? There were other occasions where the crowd was so great he had to sit in a boat in order to address the multitude. So if Jesus is againt crowds why then did he do these. Just like Freeze was advised, i will also to you according to the scripture. Study to show your self approved. rightly dividing the word of truth.

Why did he drive out the crowds inside his church?

In his church and you are using another analysis totally from what Christ did at his church in Jerusalem.


You really need to Study well to show your self approved.

Joshmodest:
Christianity is the most confusing of all religions ... if Jesus is the origin of Christianity , why should apostle Peter's opinion on husband and wives become something everybody should abide by ...
if u look at it clearly , men wrote these books , and like I always say no matter how you try to tell me, that they received Inspiration from God , their sentiments can never be overlooked ....
imagine ibiyeome or Adeboye or even father the father oyedepo , were alive then and had the chance of writing the bible , abi are they not getting inspiration from God ? they would have put things like if anyone defames you lock him up , or if your secretary is tempting you sack her or pay your tithe if not if it will be tithe for you , and the sweetest of all -- if you don't pay your tithe you are under a financial curse ....
And people of these days would have to abide by such nonsense ...

You need no bible to tell you that , your wife is also human , and needs respect to and not a slave that you can order around the place or insult the way you like cos one book says she has to submit ....
if the bible had even put it the way freeze said it ,my respect for the writer would be really high !

Daddy freeze , oyedepo , Adeboye , ibeyiome are all same of the same , confusing and brainwashing people , I prefer Freeze's brainwash tho , cos he comes with facts and not sentiments !!!

Even with natural law,if your wife is submissive you'll love and cherish her,i dont think you'll have the mind to insult her.

So both daddy freeze and the men of God are right,but Wife should submit first.

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Why did he drive out the crowds inside his church?
In his church and you are using another analysis totally from what Christ did at his church in Jerusalem.

GarangDeMabior:
All these nonsense, See exactly what Christ did below

'Mr. Brown had thought of nothing but numbers. He should have known that the kingdom of God did not depend on large crowds. Our Lord Himself stressed the importance of fewness. Narrow is the way and few the number. To fill the Lord's holy temple with an idolatrous crowd clamoring for signs was a folly of everlasting consequence. Our Lord used the whip only once in His life - to drive the crowd away from His church."


If Christ our Lord will be here today, he will use whip to drive out Oyedepo, Adeboye, Ibiyeomie, Ben Akabueze, Daddy freeze and others away from his church.

Christianity is fraud..blind followers .just to enrich those pastors and co

May God bless you sir. Freeze has this penchant for digging holes around pastors words just to discredit them. A man thats bias CANNOT interprete scriptures,
driven by hate and jelousy, is pained because some pastors are comfortable. He wants the church to go back to the era of church rats, so he can feel relevant. Let him go a tackle the rot in Aso rock

Igbochief001:

Now that's your own interpretation ...if the wife was the only one meant to submit there won't be verse 21

21 gave the condition for which wife would be submissive .. if 21 is met then 22 can follow

Stop saying he was selective when oyedepo did same thing

I am not a respecter of any man of God whether he is Adeboye or Oyedepo. I believe in searching the scriptures to understand better what God is saying. I am like the Berean Christian who still goes back to know if the word spoken was true.

Back to you dwelling on verse 21, I will like to give an example for better clarity. This is in the form of instruction.

Tunde and Wale go and break that fence.

I then said further, Tunde you should use sledge hammer to break the fence blocks.

Wale you are to pickup the broken blocks and dispose them.

If you dwelled on my first sentence, you would have gotten my message wrongly till you read other statements from me.

That is the case with what Paul said too. You should not stop at 21 but read it further to understand his view on this. The instruction was progressive and didn't stop at 21.

I truly don't see the need for all the back and forth. Freeze clearly has his audience, so does Papa Oyedepo. If any Christian chooses to be confused, it is clear that the problem isn't Freeze or Papa Oyedepo, but the Christian who wouldn't check out the scriptures.

Marriage is sustained by knowledge, understanding, and wisdom- (Prov 24:3-4). I believe strongly that people who debate who should submit first are those who have issues with pride.

We may not like it as ladies, but a woman isn't a partner with her husband. Her husband is her lord, for anything that has two heads is a monster.

God instituted marriage and set order. You have issues with your hubby as a wife? Then dialogue, and if he disagrees, report him to His Lord; who is also your Lord.

If you have issues with trusting God to deal with your hubby, then it means you have issues with your salvation in the first place. There's nothing more unappealing than a lady who always wants to have her way. It takes off the poise, charisma, dignity, and charm you have as a lady.

Let the man lead. And here's the obvious: Don't marry a man you cannot submit to. I believe it's that simple.

Heavance:

Leave religion aside, and think.
If a pastor preaches the Gospel, and I have a contrary opinion due to my experience in life, does that make it an insult?
He had insulted back then fine, but not on that case at all, he only had a different opinion, simple.

Leave emotional immaturity aside and realize religion (at least Christianity) doesn't discourage thinking or reasoning. As a matter of fact God says "come let us reason together"

As for your claim about life experiences not amounting to insult. What happened between freeze and Oyedepo was a case Freeze attempting to directly rubbish Oyedepo's stand on a issue. And it bacfiree spectacularly just like the rest. We all know how freeze likes to personally insult Oyedepo too well so stop saying it is life experiences driven opinion.

Nauttyprof:


No get the message clearly. You will understand this better when you also read Ephesians 5:21-26. You will understand clearly.

Reading from 21 is misleading cos 21 is the last part of a sentence ( advice he was giving to the whole church). While 22 is the beginning of a new sentence ( advice to couples).

Nauttyprof:


I am not a respecter of any man of God whether he is Adeboye or Oyedepo. I believe in searching the scriptures to understand better what God is saying. I am like the Berean Christian who still goes back to know if the word spoken was true.

Back to you dwelling on verse 21, I will like to give an example for better clarity. This is in the form of instruction.

Tunde and Wale go and break that fence.

I then said further, Tunde you should use sledge hammer to pull down the blocks.

Wale you are to pickup the broken blocks and dispose them.

If you dwelled on my first sentence, you would have gotten my message wrongly till you read other statements from me.

That is the case with what Paul said too. You should not stop at 21 but read it further to understand his view on this. The instruction was progressive and didn't stop at 21.

Oga no body is stopping at 21 ...all I'm saying it don't ignore 21 ...the husband must submit to the wife also ..then the wife can now submit to the husband as we submit to Christ

Christ himself submitted himself to the church first by laying down his life before the church submitted to him

Djyucee1:
I'm not saying the pastor has the guidance of the Holy spirit all I'm trying to say is that it takes a divine wisdom of the Bible to understand the scriptures. The Bible isn't a poem. Don't be biased with your comment.

Ok. I understand you better.
But how are we sure daddy freeze does not have "divine wisdom of the Bible" to understand the scriptures?
After all he seems to make more sense than those chalatant pastors.

daddy freeze should leave bible interpretations and try and focus on the Quran .
i am sure he wont last one year after Muslims have dealt with him .

Deborah98:
Freeze is always looking for a way to turn the scriptures upside down....

Igbochief001:
Daddy freeze never said wife's should not submit to the husband ...he only said it's a two way thing ...both husband and wife should submit to each other ....and gave a Bible verse to back it up

I wonder what's wrong with that ?

Bible said husband is the head of the family he is not in anyway joint head with the wife. So how will a husband submit to his wife? Can you submit to your subordinates? You only show him respect and love that is the stand of the Bible and Africa culture. The western world you want to copy, how is their family life like? Broken homes everywhere.