DappaD:


Mediator is not a title for Jehovah, fine. Okay, so since Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant, certainly that cannot make him God since he's the go-between. Do you find yourself at crossroads here? I hope so for your sake.

Know today that authority bestowed on someone doesn't mean glory was shared at any point. After all, in ancient Israel, Jehovah gave his holy spirit to several imperfect men so they could accomplish several tasks as leaders, judges and even kings.

Jehovah allowed imperfect humans, ‘dead men walking’ in fact to occupy his throne on earth. 1Chronicles 29:23. He has also granted the same authority to Jesus to rule in a greater capacity in heaven. Ezekiel 21:27/Revelation 3:21
Jesus is to rule as King over those who will rule as subordinate kings and Lord over those who will become subordinate lords whom will eventually number into a 144,000 under-kings, priests, judges. 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 14:1-5, 20:4,6

With that aside, while Hezekiah was ruling as king over Judah, why was Jehovah still calling himself “King”? Isaiah 44:6

Did Jehovah share his glory with any of the aforementioned even after granting them authority?
Your guess is as good as mine.
That's the real FULLSTOP mister man.

You your God given brain for once Mister Man.

The people you quoted can u provide any of them making this statement:

John 17:5 and now glorify me, thou Father, along with thyself, with the glory which I had along with thee before the world was.

Telling a lie one million times will never make it true....

Janosky:

1) Jesus, The first born of every creature came through the Father of all.
Romans 11:35-36. Ephesians 4:6.

*2)
Matthew 28;18, Jesus received it from the Source- his Father.

"Sit at my right hand," Jesus obey the command in heaven..
You come here dey DECEIVE yourself with Fictitious claim of equality .
Na so your SENSE reach

New International Version
All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you."

All means Everything..........Do u have an explanation for this verse? Nah Jesus talk am himself.

All..........Jehovah's Authority, Jehovah's Power, Jehovah's Glory, Jehovah's Omnipotence, Jehovah's Everything (All)....Do u agree?....Answer this question if u get mind !

Emusan:


Firstly, the word God was not in the original manuscript. This is the literal translation by YLT YLT: For it was becoming to Him, because of whom [are] the all things, and through whom [are] the all things, many sons to glory bringing, the author of their salvation through sufferings to make perfect, now you will quickly accept this to support your lying doctrine but reject other versions that did the same in a place like 1 Timothy 3:16 and call them fraud.

Hypocrite!!!

Lastly, the same Jesus you've been lying against of not being SOURCE OF ANYTHING, is the same one the verse you quoted says He is the PIONEER/SOURCE of Salvation. Thank God you even bracket the world "Jesus" yourself.

See how you're exposing your shameless lying mouth yourself.

Take cognizance of why I quoted the verse.
God is not in the manuscript, Agreed, but was Hebrew 2:10 a reference to the Father ? Yeye

Secondly, pioneer is not source , For the records it was The Father that Send his son Jesus as savior

" Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes and now testify that the Father sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. " 1John 4:14

Source is the one who sends

God raised Some human savior's for isreal, they are not the source of the salvation , but he who send them.

livingchrist:
see yeye a king is what anybody bear but not the title king of kings, and Lord of lords. There are many kings but there is only one King of kings.
Jehovah gives people authority but has he ever given anyone his position before? Only Jehovah is called the king of kings and the Lord of lords.
Jesus shared the glory of The father with him.
that the father has belongs to Jesus what part of it is not clear.
All the positions/glory/honor of the father also belongs to him.

This question is still waiting for you.

DappaD:


With that aside, while Hezekiah was ruling as king over Judah, why was Jehovah still calling himself “King”? Isaiah 44:6

DappaD:



This question is still waiting for you.

'king' is not a title peculiar only to Jehovah.
But you see eehen the title Lord of Lords, God of gods is only for Jehovah.

Emusan:


And the same scripture affirms that the same "ALL THINGS are through the Son and for the Son"

so it's THE SAME "ALL THINGS" if Jesus is included in that ALL things then it means Jesus came through HIMSELF.

Faulty dead reasoning, If he came through himself, he won't have Exist in the IMAGE of someone else ... He came through the Father in whose image he was made.

See how your shameless face is being exposed.

So do you now agree that WE BELONG to Jesus?

When you can boldly say, Jesus owns NOTHING!

because I didn't see you foaming mouth on that like before.

Shameless lying liar like your father the devil.

Your level of cognitive dissonance is so high

Nothing belong to Jesus ... Until he was given. Owner needs nobody to give him anything .

Jesus explains " Father ...you have GIVEN him (Jesus) authority over all mankind " John 17:2

Why does an Owner still need to be given authority over what he owns ? Are you okay ?

Have you learnt that Human Being means ALL THE PEOPLE LIVING ON THIS EARTH?

Jesus and the Father are the same Being.

No human being means " A man "

A single person.

Human BEINGS mean all the people .

Oponu man, and the ALL THINGS are through Jesus which means Jesus came through Himself.

The same Jesus that exist in the image of someone else ?

Cognitive dissonance

freshboi88:

You type like a 9 year old..Boy!!!
If they put your sense on auction, the highest bid will be 5 naira....Ode!!!
U think u have made sense. U would have if these verses were not in the Bible.
2 Sam 7:16 And your house and your kingdom shall be established for ever before you: your throne shall be established for ever.
Palsm 45:6Your throne, O God, c will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
So what is common in all these scriptures. They point to an everlasting Kingdom of Christ reign. Do u know the meaning of Everlasting??
Everlasting..... Something that has no end...Ages to Ages Christ reigns.
Now come back to ur interpretation of the verse u put up. Does it tally with an everlasting Christ reign. No!!!.....This renders your interpretation useless and not consistent with scripture.

Calm down. Jehovah promised Phinehas son of Eleazar an EVERLASTING PRIESTHOOD. Numbers 25:13
That is, Phinehas and his offspring were to carry out priestly duties FOREVER.
But wasn't that arrangement discontinued when the Greater High Priest, Jesus Christ came on the scene? Hebrews 6:20
The priesthood of Aaron, Eleazar, Phinehas and others served their purpose but the arrangement had to be changed to fit the one who was coming after them. Deuteronomy 18:15,18
It's the same with Jesus Christ. His Kingdom is everlasting in the sense that it will fully serve its purpose during his 1,000year rule(Rev 20:4-6), before he hands it over back to his Father, Jehovah. 1Corinthians 15:24-28

Emusan:


One thing you've not been able to do is to counter these scriptures.

The same scripture says:

1. Jesus is the source of life/The life/That eternal life.
2. Jesus is the source of creation.
3. Jesus is the source of Salvation
4. Jesus is the source of Faith.

All these put your lying mouth in shame for saying Jesus isn't a source of ANYTHING.

If your postulation is correct at 1-4 , it means 1Corinthians 8:6 lied that the Father is the source of all things.

Jesus is not the source of life, he was granted life.

Jesus is not the source of creation, nobody is his son

Jesus is not the source of salvation , He was sent

Jesus is not the source of Faith , he was sent

Source is a wrong word in all this cases.

livingchrist:
'king' is not a title peculiar only to Jehovah.
But you see eehen the title Lord of Lords, God of gods is only for Jehovah.

So where is that one written in the Bible? So far as the Bible indicates, the titles reserved for only Jehovah are King of Eternity, the Almighty, the Grand Creator, Sovereign Lord and many many others that I can't remember now. Ecclesiastes 12:1; Revelation 15:3
But for the “Word of God”, Jesus to become “King of Kings, Lord of Lords” it shows that the authority was bestowed on him, not that he originally had it before. Revelation 19:11-16

livingchrist:
mumu, Are we talking about Hebrews or Romans11vv36.

What you idiot failed to understand is that you just established that Jesus and the father are one being.

Hahahahaha
One being means one same person , is that your final condition ?

If all things came through the father and son, it makes them co creator, Roman 11vv36 applies both to the father, son and holy spirit.

Romans 11:36 apply strictly to the Father . Yahweh Almighty

Nothing like co creator, nobody is Jesus son.

Now that you know Romans 11:36 apply to the Father , What came through him that didn't come through Jesus ? (They are separate persons )

Freshboi87:


Jesus own nothing and yet he is KING of kings and LORD of lords

Rev 19:16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

Who gave him that authority ? Matt 28:18

Very silly guy

Janosky:

1
John 5:26. Matthew 28:18 from Jesus mouth, he received it ,Mr Lienus .

2.
John 20:17 the God of Jesus is Not your God, 3 pagan spirits worshipper.

3
John 3:16-17,36 He was sent to give salvation. 1 John 4:14-15,His God is the Source.
Believe it or condemn yourself.
You have made your choice by your wacky claims on this thread.

4. John 15:15. Hebrew 5:7-8, Jesus says he was taught, he learnt and obeyed.
He never argued against his Father teaching unlike Mr Lienus

The day sense will fall on you, there will be a great joy in the camp of your father the Devil.

But for now, your father the Devil is still very much disappointed in you because of your lack of sense.

freshboi88:
Barristter07 ran away when his lies were exposed.

Love how I gave the final blow with the King of kings verse, it just nailed him. It was amazing, very amazing. In fact, probably the most amazing moment if 2020.

Even Janosky fled with his tail in between his legs. And finally their father the devil fell down in a lightening strike manner.

Don't ever mess with the truth!!...Capish??

Na wah, e get as E be

freshboi88:

You your God given brain for once Mister Man.
The people you quoted can u provide any of them making this statement:
John 17:5 and now glorify me, thou Father, along with thyself, with the glory which I had along with thee before the world was.
[s]Telling a lie one million times will never make it true[/s]...

In his final prayer to Jehovah, not to himself, Jesus requested that his Father glorify/exalt him to the state in which he was before coming to the earth. Because according to Philippians 2:7, he took the form of a servant by becoming human. So he prayed that Jehovah restore him to spirit life in heavens.
And Jehovah indeed “glorified his Servant, Jesus” after his death and resurrection. Acts 3:13
Still no mention of any glory shared.

freshboi88:


You your God given brain for once Mister Man.

The people you quoted can u provide any of them making this statement:

John 17:5 and now glorify me, thou Father, along with thyself, with the glory which I had along with thee before the world was.

Telling a lie one million times will never make it true....

Verse 24 the Father gave him that Glory.

silly boy .

DappaD:


In his final prayer to Jehovah, not to himself, Jesus requested that his Father glorify/exalt him to the state in which he was before coming to the earth. Because according to Philippians 2:7, he took the form of a servant by becoming human. So he prayed that Jehovah restore him to spirit life in heavens.
And Jehovah indeed “glorified his Servant, Jesus” after his death and resurrection. Acts 3:13
Still no mention of any glory shared.

Barristter07:
Take cognizance of why I quoted the verse.
God is not in the manuscript, Agreed, but was Hebrew 2:10 a reference to the Father ? Yeye

Breeze has blown and fowl yansh has been exposed.

That verse is for Jesus.

Secondly, pioneer is not source, For the records it was The Father that Send his son Jesus as savior

Even your father the Devil will be so shocked at the lies you're peddling on this thread.

The only thing is that you have no shame to see your lies.

The Greek translated as Pioneer "archēgos"

The Greek word - ἀρχηγὸς archēgos - is a more general term, and denotes, properly, the author or source of anything; then a leader, chief prince. In Acts 3:15, it is rendered "prince" - "and killed the prince of life." So in Acts 5:31. "Him hath God exalted to be a prince and a Saviour." In Hebrews 12:2, it is rendered "author." "Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith;" compare the notes at that place. Barnes Note!

" Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes and now testify that the Father sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. " 1John 4:14

Source is the one who sends

But Jesus is called SOURCE in that verse and not the Father.

Keep lying.

God raised Some human savior's for isreal, they are not the source of the salvation , but he who send them.

But no where were they called SOURCE OF SALVATION.

You can provide the verse where anyone was called SOURCE OF SALVATION.

Barristter07:
Faulty dead reasoning, If he came through himself, he won't have Exist in the IMAGE of someone else ... He came through the Father in whose image he was made.

Jesus is the very IMAGE of God.

Where was it said Jesus was MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.

Like I said, even your father the Devil will be so shocked on many lies you've made on this thread.

The ALL THINGS that came from the Father is the same ALL THINGS through Christ so if Jesus is part of that ALL THINGS as you lied earlier it means Jesus came through Himself.

Your level of cognitive dissonance is so high

Nothing belong to Jesus ... Until he was given. Owner needs nobody to give him anything .

Jesus explains " Father ...you have GIVEN him (Jesus) authority over all mankind " John 17:2

Why does an Owner still need to be given authority over what he owns ? Are you okay?

You're still living in this your delusion.

Weren't ALL THINGS created for Jesus?

How can ALL THINGS create for Him and still does not own ANYTHING.

Go back to that Phil 2:7 and see the reason Jesus was given Authority.

No human being means " A man "

A single person.

Human BEINGS mean all the people .

Human Being means ALL THE PEOPLE on earth.

The same Jesus that exist in the image of someone else?

Cognitive dissonance

Jesus is the VERY IMAGE of God

Lying liar JWs.

Barristter07:

Take cognizance of why I quoted the verse.
God is not in the manuscript, Agreed, but was Hebrew 2:10 a reference to the Father ? Yeye

Secondly, pioneer is not source , For the records it was The Father that Send his son Jesus as savior

" Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes and now testify that the Father sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. " 1John 4:14

Source is the one who sends

God raised Some human savior's for isreal, they are not the source of the salvation , but he who send them.

you ignorance stinks, Go and learn about primary and secondary source come back and cure your ignorance.

Jesus is the true God according to 1 John he is the eternal life.
God sending Jesus does not make Jesus a lesser being, you can send your friend to do something for you, it does not make your friend less than you.

Emusan:


Jesus is the very IMAGE of God.

Where was it said Jesus was MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.

Like I said, even your father the Devil will be so shocked on many lies you've made on this thread.

The ALL THINGS that came from the Father is the same ALL THINGS through Christ so if Jesus is part of that ALL THINGS as you lied earlier it means Jesus came through Himself.

Image of the invisible God. (The Father )

Why exist in another's image ?

If he wasn't made, he won't have been Firstborn of creation.

You're still living in this your delusion.

Weren't ALL THINGS created for Jesus?

How can ALL THINGS create for Him and still does not own ANYTHING.

Go back to that Phil 2:7 and see the reason Jesus was given Authority.

Under no circumstances would an owner be given authority.

Nobody is called his son right from when the world began. Doesn't that ring a bell ?

Human Being means ALL THE PEOPLE on earth.
Jesus is the VERY IMAGE of God

Lying liar JWs.

Human being means " A man "

Oxford dictionary

A man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

‘It is no use pointing out the obvious differences between human beings and all other animals.’

Notice that in the example, it says Human BEINGS when reffering to all the people . That brain you don't have, u gonna get by force.

Same being means one same person

Barristter07:

Hahahahaha
One being means one same person , is that your final condition ?

being means person? Go and find out the difference between a being and a person.

Romans 11:36 apply strictly to the Father . Yahweh Almighty

Nothing like co creator, nobody is Jesus son.

Now that you know Romans 11:36 apply to the Father , What came through him that didn't come through Jesus ? (They are separate persons )

where did Romans mention the father? No body is Jesus son, yet he is called the everlasting father, father to who barrister?
They are separate persons but same God.

Barristter07:


Verse 24 the Father gave him that Glory.

silly boy .

gave him glory that belongs to him.

livingchrist:
being means person? Go and find out the difference between a being and a person.
where did Romans mention the father? No body is Jesus son, yet he is called the everlasting father, father to who barrister?
They are separate persons but same God.

Oxford Dictionary
Human being

A man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

‘It is no use pointing out the obvious differences between human beings and all other animals.’


Human being is a single person. A man.

Human BeingS refer to many

If you say they are same being , you are saying the same person



Since you admitted they are different persons, and that Romans 11:36 apply to the Father , what came through the person of the Father ?

livingchrist:
gave him glory that belongs to him.

U don't have brain o

Christ himself, everything that make up the one called Christ belong to the Father. 1 Corinthians 3:23

Barristter07:
If your postulation is correct at 1-4 , it means 1Corinthians 8:6 lied that the Father is the source of all things.

My postulation or what the Bible says?

The Father and the Son are of the same BEING, it's so easy to see scripture saying they are the SOURCE OF ALL THINGS.

But difficult for Devil advocate like you to understand.

Jesus is not the source of life, he was granted life.

The scripture says you're a liar

Jesus is the source of life

Jesus is not the source of creation, nobody is his son

Revelation 3:14 says you're a liar, Jesus is the source of Creation.

Jesus is not the source of salvation , He was sent

Heb 2:10 says you're a liar, Jesus is the source of Salvation.

Jesus is not the source of Faith , he was sent

Heb 12:2 says you're a liar, Jesus is the source of FAITH.

You can keep deny it but scripture will continue to proof you wrong.

Source is a wrong word in all this cases.

Tell that to Jehovah who inspired His word in that way.

Barristter07:


Image of the invisible God. (The Father )

Why exist in another's image ?

If he wasn't made, he won't have been Firstborn of creation.



Under no circumstances would an owner be given authority.

Nobody is called his son right from when the world began. Doesn't that ring a bell ?



Human being means " A man "

Oxford dictionary

A man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

‘It is no use pointing out the obvious differences between human beings and all other animals.’

Notice that in the example, it says Human BEINGS when reffering to all the people . That brain you don't have, u gonna get by force.

Same being means one same person

God is given glory,

Jeremiah 13:16
Give glory to the LORD your God, before he cause darkness, and before your feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and, while ye look for light, he turn it into the shadow of death, and make it gross darkness.

Does that also mean God is not the owner of the glory he was given?

Barristter07:


U don't have brain o

Christ himself, everything that make up the one called Christ belong to the Father. 1 Corinthians 3:23

o you brainless one, Jesus also said that All the father has are his. John 16vv15

livingchrist:
you ignorance stinks, Go and learn about primary and secondary source come back and cure your ignorance.

Jesus is the true God according to 1 John he is the eternal life.
God sending Jesus does not make Jesus a lesser being, you can send your friend to do something for you, it does not make your friend less than you.

So Jesus is a secondary source ?

livingchrist:
o you brainless one, Jesus also said that All the father has are his. John 16vv15

U will have sense
Here is the twist , Jesus never said the Father himself belong to him . Did he ?

But does Jesus himself belong to the Father ?

Levels.

Barristter07:
Image of the invisible God. (The Father )

Why exist in another's image ?

If he wasn't made, he won't have been Firstborn of creation.

Show us where it was written that Jesus was MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD. Clown!

We can as well say, the Father has NO IMAGE since another person is His Image. Olodo oshi.

Jesus is The VERY IMAGE OF GOD.

Under no circumstances would an owner be given authority.

Nobody is called his son right from when the world began. Doesn't that ring a bell?

We have the Son of God and Jesus is within that GOD.

So what belongs to the Father belongs to Jesus. Says the scripture.

Human being means " A man "

Oxford dictionary

A man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

‘It is no use pointing out the obvious differences between human beings and all other animals.’

Notice that in the example, it says Human BEINGS when reffering to all the people . That brain you don't have, u gonna get by force.

Human Being includes PEOPLE living on earth.

I've provided the dictionary for that.

So the Father and the son are of the same Being.

Same being means one same person

It means NATURE here.

Ode...

Barristter07:

U will have sense
Here is the twist , Jesus never said the Father himself belong to him . Did he ?

But does Jesus himself belong to the Father ?

Levels.

All, of Jehovah's glory, throne, power, might belongs to Jesus. Use your sense, when Jehovah tell you he does not share his glory with another.

Of course Christ belongs to God, because God is the head of Christ by virtue of his humanity.