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Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 9:10am On Jan 09, 2021
I promised some of my new friends on nairaland that I would make a thread to discuss who Jehovah is.
I guess we all agreed that Jehovah was the covenant God of the children of Israel. It was he who entered a covenant with Abraham and led Israel from Egypt.
He revealed himself unto all the prophets of old.
The question is who is Jehovah.
In his great final prayer, John 17.3 (KJV)
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
A true knowledge of God is essential for the salvation of man.
For the purpose of this discussion, I would be using the king James Bible and the The New World Translation

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 9:14am On Jan 09, 2021
(Jehovah, of the Old Testament was none other than the Son of God, Jesus Christ. He created the world under the authority and direction of God the Father. Later, Jehovah came to earth as the Savior and Redeemer of the world. This truth is one of the most misunderstood doctrines in the history of the world, despite the fact that the Old Testament is filled with evidence to support it.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 9:25am On Jan 09, 2021
Before his mortal birth, who was Jesus Christ?
John 1 new word translation
In the beginning was the Word,+ and the Word was with God,+ and the Word was a god.*+ 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him,+ and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
What has come into existence 4 by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men.+ 5 And the light is shining in the darkness,+ but the darkness has not overpowered it.
9 The true light that gives light to every sort of man was about to come into the world.+ 10 He was in the world,+ and the world came into existence through him,+ but the world did not know him. 11 He came to his own home, but his own people did not accept him.
1st we learn that Jesus Christ created the world and everything in it. He gives life to every man both good and bad.
Then in verse 11, he came to his own home but his people did not accept him. His home here is Israel. The Jews did not accept the God of Israel.
Now I would compare old testament prophecies to new testament revelations to show that Christ and Jehovah are one and the same person
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 9:37am On Jan 09, 2021
1. His name is I Am
Exodus 3.13-15 KJV
Jehovah tells us that his name is I Am
13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
John 8.57-58 Jesus Christ declared I Am
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Hence the I Am That visited Moses is the same Christ of the new testament

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 9:50am On Jan 09, 2021
Jehovah created the world
Isaiah 45.11-12
11 This is what Jehovah says, the Holy One of Israel,+ the One who formed him:
“Would you question me about the things coming
And command me about my sons+ and the works of my hands?
12 I made the earth+ and created man on it.

In the new testament we learn that Jesus Christ created the world
John 1.1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word,+ and the Word was with God,+ and the Word was a god.*+ 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him,+ and apart from him not even one thing came into existence
Colossians 1.15-17
He is the image of the invisible God,+ the firstborn of all creation;+ 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,+ whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him+ and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things,+ and by means of him all other things were made to exist

Isaiah and the new testament were talking about the same person, the Creator, Jesus Christ
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 9:59am On Jan 09, 2021
One last scripture that proves Jesus Christ is Jehovah.
Exodus 6.3 (KJV)
3and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Jehovah tells Moses that he visited his father's of old using the name of the God Almighty but his own name was unknown to them.
In fact exodus 6.3 was the first time he announced himself as Jehovah.
Because Jesus Christ represented the father, he often used the name of the father rather than his own name... Jehovah.
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 10:09am On Jan 09, 2021
In case you still doubt, it was Christ that led the children of Israel to the promise land.
Corinthians 10:1-4 KJV
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by haekymbahd(m): 12:59pm On Jan 09, 2021
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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Janosky: 2:17pm On Jan 09, 2021
Tcwork:
One last scripture that proves Jesus Christ is Jehovah.
Exodus 6.3 (KJV)
3and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Jehovah tells Moses that he visited his father's of old using the name of the God Almighty but his own name was unknown to them.
In fact exodus 6.3 was the first time he announced himself as Jehovah.
Because Jesus Christ represented the father, he often used the name of the father rather than his own name... Jehovah.

1 kings18:39 and John 17:3,

When all the people saw it, they immediately fell facedown and said: “Jehovah is the true God! Jehovah is the true God!”
John 17:3, Jesus says his Father, Jehovah is the only True God.

Bros, your claim is FALSE.
Kpele grin

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 10:10pm On Jan 09, 2021
Janosky:


1 kings18:39 and John 17:3,

When all the people saw it, they immediately fell facedown and said: “Jehovah is the true God! Jehovah is the true God!”
John 17:3, Jesus says his Father, Jehovah is the only True God.

Bros, your claim is FALSE.
Kpele grin
I made no claim I only pointed you to the scriptures. Is Jesus Christ a false god. He is the true God. Jesus Christ created the world and everything in it doesn't that qualify him to be the true God?

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 10:15pm On Jan 09, 2021
Let's compare some more scripture
Jehovah is the Savior.

“Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me” (Hosea 13:4).

“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord” (Luke 2:11).
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 10:23pm On Jan 09, 2021
While speaking to the unbelieving Jews Jesus said John 5:39
King James Version
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
He was referring to the old testament. The old testament basically teaches about Christ.
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 10:27pm On Jan 09, 2021
Luke 24:25-27
King James Version
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
The entire Old testament was about Christ. But when he came the Jews did not recognize him fromantic the scriptures.
Let me give you an example
The Jews will look upon Jehovah who was pierced.

“And I [Jehovah] will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn” (Zechariah 12:10).
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. … For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.” (John 19:34, 36–37.)

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 10:28pm On Jan 09, 2021
Janosky:


1 kings18:39 and John 17:3,

When all the people saw it, they immediately fell facedown and said: “Jehovah is the true God! Jehovah is the true God!”
John 17:3, Jesus says his Father, Jehovah is the only True God.

Bros, your claim is FALSE.
Kpele grin
I do not need you to believe me, only believe the scriptures

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by AntiChristian: 8:54am On Jan 10, 2021
Jesus is God.
Jesus is son of God.
Jesus is son of Man.
Jehovah is God.
Holy spirit is God.
And God is one.
Sin against the son is forgivable.
Sin against the holy spirit is unforgivable.
When Jesus was about to be baptized a voice said " This is my beloved son in whom I'm well please." So Jesus was talking to himself right?

When Jesus was dying he said Eli Eli... My Lord, My Lord...

He was calling himself again right?

"All authority on heaven and earth have been given to me" by who?

My father is greater than I.

Why did Jesus always say "my father"?

Our father who is in heaven...

Father was never on earth but in heaven!

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Caffeine(m): 9:14am On Jan 10, 2021
AntiChristian:
Jesus is God.
Jesus is son of God.
Jesus is son of Man.
Jehovah is God.
Holy spirit is God.
And God is one.
Sin against the son is forgivable.
Sin against the holy spirit is unforgivable.
When Jesus was about to be baptized a voice said " This is my beloved son in whom I'm well please." So Jesus was talking to himself right?

When Jesus was dying he said Eli Eli... My Lord, My Lord...

He was calling himself again right?

"All authority on heaven and earth have been given to me" by who?

My father is greater than I.

Why did Jesus always say "my father"?

Our father who is in heaven...

Father was never on earth but in heaven!

Not sure about your username.
Not sure what point this op is making.

But your theology is sound. Bless you.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 6:43pm On Jan 10, 2021
Jesus Christ is obviously God just like his father.
My point is, he is Jehovah not his father. That was why I made this thread
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:54pm On Jan 10, 2021
Would you appreciate if someone help you out with this riddles or you're satisfied with what you're saying? Act 8:30-31
Because the Bible clearly revealed that there was TWO Lords in the Bible book of Psalms 110:1, one said to the other "sit at my right hand" according to the Bible one of those two is JEHOVAH. You can confirm this as you crosscheck the preface of your copy of the Bible.
Anywhere you find the LORD in capital all through it stands for the divine name YHWH or JHVH.
So if one of those two is JEHOVAH, then who is the person asked to sit at Jehovah's right hand?
Let that be your own personal research but let me provide some scriptural texts as part of your research tools
Act 2: 34-36; Act 7:56; Romans 8:34

God bless you! smiley


Tcwork:
Jesus Christ is obviously God just like his father.
My point is, he is Jehovah not his father That was why I made this thread

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 11:39pm On Jan 10, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Would you appreciate if someone help you out with this riddles or you're satisfied with what you're saying? Act 8:30-31
Because the Bible clearly revealed that there was TWO Lords in the Bible book of Psalms 110:1, one said to the other "sit at my right hand" according to the Bible one of those two is JEHOVAH. You can confirm this as you crosscheck the preface of your copy of the Bible.
Anywhere you find the LORD in capital all through it stands for the divine name YHWH or JHVH.

So if one of those two is JEHOVAH, then who is the person asked to sit at Jehovah's right hand?
Let that be your own personal research but let me provide some scriptural texts as part of your research tools
Act 2: 34-36; Act 7:56; Romans 8:34

God bless you! smiley


Psalms 110.1 This depends on the translation
KJV Acts2:34-36 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
The decision to mark the lords name in capital was a choice of translator. All letters appear in uppercase in Hebrew, they had no lowercase

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 11:42pm On Jan 10, 2021
Compare these scriptures
“I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction” (Hosea 13:14).

“But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” (1 Corinthians 15:20–22.)

The old testament and the new testament were both speaking of the very same person.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Janosky: 9:57pm On Jan 11, 2021
Tcwork:
Compare these scriptures
“I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction” (Hosea 13:14).

“But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” (1 Corinthians 15:20–22.)

The old testament and the new testament were both speaking of the very same person.

1 Corinthians 15:24-27 says,
Please dump your gospel into the dustbin.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 5:39am On Jan 12, 2021
Janosky:


1 Corinthians 15:24-27 says,
Please dump your gospel into the dustbin.

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1 Corinthians 15: 34-27
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
This is a wonderful scripture but you want to explain the relevance to our discussion?
I am not sure you even read any of the above scriptures I quoted and I am finding hard to understand your message.
Please can you clearly state your point?

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 7:43am On Jan 12, 2021
Let's compare again
10. Declare among the nations: “Jehovah has become King!+
The earth* is firmly established, it cannot be moved.*
He will judge* the peoples fairly.”+
11 Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be joyful;
Let the sea thunder and all that fills it;+
12 Let the fields and everything in them rejoice.+
At the same time let all the trees of the forest shout joyfully+
13 Before Jehovah, for he is coming,*
He is coming to judge the earth.
He will judge the inhabited earth* with righteousness+
And the peoples with his faithfulness

Now whow is coming to Judge is it Christ or his father?

Matthew 25:31-32
"When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

John 5:22
For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,

Jehovah is coming to judge the world, who is Jehovah
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 7:47am On Jan 12, 2021
AntiChristian:
Jesus is God.
Jesus is son of God.
Jesus is son of Man.
Jehovah is God.
Holy spirit is God.
And God is one.
Sin against the son is forgivable.
Sin against the holy spirit is unforgivable.
When Jesus was about to be baptized a voice said " This is my beloved son in whom I'm well please." So Jesus was talking to himself right?

When Jesus was dying he said Eli Eli... My Lord, My Lord...

He was calling himself again right?

"All authority on heaven and earth have been given to me" by who?

My father is greater than I.

Why did Jesus always say "my father"?

Our father who is in heaven...

Father was never on earth but in heaven!

SUFI, Chief Kaffir how many times shall we norture and lecture you on this?
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 8:08am On Jan 12, 2021
Further proof that Jesus Christ is Jehovah
In the book of Genesis after the creation Jehovah rested on the 7th day.
Genesis 2

2And by the seventh day, God had completed the work that he had been doing,* and he began to rest on the seventh day from all his work that he had been doing.*+ 3 And God went on to bless the seventh day and to declare it sacred, for on it God has been resting from all the work that he has created, all that he purposed to make.
4 This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time they were created, in the day that Jehovah* God made earth and heaven.

Again, we are reminded in Exodus 20
“8 Remember the Sabbath day to keep it sacred.+ 9 You are to labor and do all your work for six days,+ 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, neither you nor your son nor your daughter nor your slave man nor your slave girl nor your domestic animal nor your foreign resident who is inside your settlements.*+ 11 For in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and he began to rest on the seventh day.+ That is why Jehovah blessed the Sabbath day and made it sacred.

Here we learn 2 things about Jehovah. 1. He was the one that created the world.
2. He made and declared the sabath.
Now over to the new testament
Luke 6.5 Then he said to them: “The Son of man is Lord of the Sabbath
The new testament teaches that I was Christ that created the heavens and the earth and he is the Lord of the sabath. Not his father but him.
Who is Jehovah
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:24am On Jan 12, 2021
This is highly commendable!
That means you realize that all the titles Lord and God appeared the same way in Hebrew, it's the translators that applied upper and lower case to the titles!
So can we say Moses is Jehovah?
Because Jehovah promised to go down as god to deliver his people from Egypt {Exodus 3:8} but the person everyone saw was MOSES! Exodus 7:1 undecided



Tcwork:

Psalms 110.1 This depends on the translation
KJV Acts2:34-36 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
The decision to mark the lords name in capital was a choice of translator. All letters appear in uppercase in Hebrew, they had no lowercase
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 9:52am On Jan 12, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
This is highly commendable!
That means you realize that all the titles Lord and God appeared the same way in Hebrew, it's the translators that applied upper and lower case to the titles!
So can we say Moses is Jehovah?
Because Jehovah promised to go down as god to deliver his people from Egypt {Exodus 3:8} but the person everyone saw was MOSES! Exodus 7:1 undecided



But the bible teaches us that Jehovah actually did come down and led his people out of Egypt, I am sure you know this.
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:18am On Jan 12, 2021
He used a representative "Moses" and it was written in the prophecies that another prophet like Moses will rise among the Israelites {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} Peter clearly identified Jesus as this coming prophet who will be like Moses {Act 3:22} because when JEHOVAH said he is coming to deliver the Israelites Moses served as God and Prophet at the same time {Exodus 7:1} just as Jesus also served as God and Prophet {John 1:1} when God promised to visit Israel again! Malachi 3:1

So Moses served the same purpose as Jesus if we're to go by your analogy, God promised to come to Egypt and Moses served as his rep, God also promised to visit Israel and Jesus served as his rep. I hope you can see the similarities! undecided

Tcwork:

But the bible teaches us that Jehovah actually did come down and led his people out of Egypt, I am sure you know this.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 12:15pm On Jan 12, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
He used a representative "Moses" and it was written in the prophecies that another prophet like Moses will rise among the Israelites {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} Peter clearly identified Jesus as this coming prophet who will be like Moses {Act 3:22} because when JEHOVAH said he is coming to deliver the Israelites Moses served as God and Prophet at the same time {Exodus 7:1} just as Jesus also served as God and Prophet {John 1:1} when God promised to visit Israel again! Malachi 3:1

So Moses served the same purpose as Jesus if we're to go by your analogy, God promised to come to Egypt and Moses served as his rep, God also promised to visit Israel and Jesus served as his rep. I hope you can see the similarities! undecided

Well you make a lot of sense but in the case of Israel, Jehovah did physically guide them to the promise land
Exodus 13.21-22
Now Jehovah was going ahead of them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way,+ and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day and by night.+ 22 The pillar of cloud would not move away from before the people during the day, nor the pillar of fire at night.
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:22pm On Jan 12, 2021
That's exactly what is found written in our book (Bible) but that's not JEHOVAH Sir!
Each time JEHOVAH promises to come in person he always sent a human representative that's visible to humans and a mighty spirit being to be working hand in hand with the human representative. So both of them are JEHOVAH'S representatives not JEHOVAH himself!
Note what Satan told Jesus about the angel that supposed to be working hand in hand with Jesus just as it was with Moses! Luke 4:9-11

For clarification please read the Bible book of Exodus 14:19, so was it JEHOVAH that came down as a spirit being or one of his angels? smiley


Tcwork:

Well you make a lot of sense but in the case of Israel, Jehovah did physically guide them to the promise land
Exodus 13.21-22
Now Jehovah was going ahead of them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way,+ and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day and by night.+ 22 The pillar of cloud would not move away from before the people during the day, nor the pillar of fire at night.





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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 1:27pm On Jan 12, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
That's exactly what is found written in our book (Bible) but that's not JEHOVAH Sir!
Each time JEHOVAH promises to come in person he always sent a human representative that's visible to humans and a mighty spirit being to be working hand in hand with the human representative. So both of them are JEHOVAH'S representatives not JEHOVAH himself!
Note what Satan told Jesus about the angel that supposed to be working hand in hand with Jesus just as it was with Moses! Luke 4:9-11

For clarification please read the Bible book of Exodus 14:19, so was it JEHOVAH that came down as a spirit being or one of his angels? smiley


I am not sure I understand some of your sentences here.
But then let me ask a few questions to be sure
1 Who created the world
2. Who is the Lord of the Sabbath
3. Who is the Savior
4. Who shall judge the world
5. Who is the King of Israel or does Israel have 2 kings?
A pattern is clear here, everything attributed to Jehovah in the old testament is attributed to Jesus Christ in the new testament.
The new and old testament are not leading men to different people.
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 1:30pm On Jan 12, 2021
We learn from the bible that it was Christ that all the prophets bore witness of
Acts 10.43 (KJV)
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Every single prophet in the bible witnessed for Christ

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