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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 10:15pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Janosky:Correct |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 10:19pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Janosky:Like I said it is not in doubt that Jacob fought wit a messenger neither is it in doubt that he saw God. Unless u think he was lying or drunk. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Janosky: 10:22pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Tcwork: Bros, you can't change the holy scriptures... Kpele |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 10:23pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Janosky:Do you want me give you a list from the bible of everyone that has seen God in the bible? |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Janosky: 10:25pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Tcwork:John 1:18, John 5:37 no mortal has ever seen God at anytime. Angels are Elohim.. seen by men. Psalms 8:5. don't stretch your theory too far. 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 10:27pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Janosky:Haba am I the one that wrote that Jacob saw God? Or Moses saw God? I quoted the scriptures word for word. How do you now accuse me of changing the very words of Jacob. “I have seen God face-to-face, yet my life* was preserved.”+ Even if you don't agree with me or Jacob you can a least see that I am quoting word for word and not changing it |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Janosky: 10:28pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Tcwork: Please can you show this forum a photo/ drawing of God? |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 10:32pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Janosky:Yes because they saw Jehovah John 1.18 No man has seen God at any time;+ the only-begotten god+ who is at the Father’s side*+ is the one who has explained Him. It was Christ they saw. It was Jehovah they saw |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 10:33pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Janosky:I guess you are trying to add comedy to our discussion or do you have a serious point here? But thanks the comedy is good for tension |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 10:34pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Janosky:Please what do you mean by Angels are Elohim? Each time an angel represented God in the bible, it was clearly stated. When it was Jehovah himself, it was equally stated |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 10:44pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Janosky:1kings11.9 Jehovah became furious at Solʹo·mon, because his heart had inclined away from Jehovah the God of Israel,+ who had appeared to him twice I would love to see how you would explain this. Here no angel is involved. I really want to see how you would explain this |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 10:46pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Janosky:Isaiah6.5 Then I said: “Woe to me! I am as good as dead,* For I am a man of unclean lips, And I live among a people of unclean lips;+ For my eyes have seen the King, Jehovah of armies himself!” No angel involved here |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Janosky: 11:03pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Tcwork:Judges 6:11-22, Take your time STUDY.. An angel met Gideon & spoke to Gideon. At times during their conversation, your Bible says Jehovah did the talking.. an angel represented Jehovah, spoke Jehovah's message to Gideon. Verse 22 says Gideon realized he had been talking to an angel, not Jehovah. Genesis 32.30 30 So Jacob named the place Pe·niʹel,*+ for he said, “I have seen God face-to-face, yet my life* was preserved" Angels are God's Messengers, ministering spirits who appear to men in the course of their divine assignments. Genesis 32:30, Hosea 12:3-4, Psalms 8:5, Jacob saw and fought with Elohim (God's angel/Messenger) not the true Elohim, Jehovah. (When your Messenger hands your letter to the your Workers, they will say we have heard from our Boss , is the Messenger their Boss?) John 1:18 , John 5:37, men saw the only begotten god, Jesus Christ, who revealed the only true Elohim, Jehovah his Father who sent Jesus, John 17:3 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by haddeylium(m): 11:06pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
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Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by haddeylium(m): 11:14pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Tcwork: If it happens that you lived during Othniel days and Othniel was the Person Jehovah sent and raised as Saviour. You would sure be worshiping him right? or what would you do? Remember, a Saviour is a Saviour 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Janosky: 11:17pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Tcwork: Your claim about 1 Kings11:9 is akin to reading Genesis chapter 17 &18 to claim that Abraham saw Jehovah and entertained him.(Hebrews13:2) Or read Judges 6:14-16 & claim that Jehovah was there in person talking to Gideon.. Myriads upon myriads of loyal angels are at God's beck & call, whenever they perform the divine assignments, the speaking is attributed to Jehovah.. 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Jman24(m): 11:26pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
haddeylium: Oh! I have come across this It's so funny how we have been so indoctrinated |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 11:35pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Janosky:Each time an angel represented God, it was well indicated. Go and check your bible |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 11:37pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
haddeylium:I am not sure I get your point |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 11:39pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Janosky:Oga each time it was an angel, the bible clear stated it and when it was Jehovah himself, the bible equally stated it |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 11:43pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Janosky:Do you believe the bible? When the bible states that someone saw Jehovah why do you argue. I did not write the bible neither did you. Jehovah appeared to Solomon 2x that is what the Bible says. If it were an angel it would have said so. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Janosky: 11:43pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Tcwork: Thank you for your time. God bless you. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by haddeylium(m): 11:44pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Tcwork: slowly. If you lived during Othniel days and God sent him as Saviour to you. You would be worshipping him right? Remember a Saviour is a Saviour |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by haddeylium(m): 11:44pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Jman24: lol |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Janosky: 11:45pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Tcwork: Who sent that angel? Is the kernel of both message different? |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 11:48pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
haddeylium:A saviour is different from a God. Obadiah 1.21 And saviors will go up on Mount Zion To judge the mountainous region of Eʹsau,+ Many saviours have been sent. We only worship the saviour of the world |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 11:55pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Janosky:Clearly both are different times. You read verses where an angel was sent and other verses when Jehovah came himself. Do you doubt the bible. You realize I did not write these things right? |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by haddeylium(m): 11:57pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Tcwork: I like the spot you are right now Tcwork:So, now the Bible now classified Saviour. A Saviour is not a Saviour again Rest ahbegg Othniel was sent as saviour to people that show believe in God's directive. Jesus was sent as Saviour by Jehovah to people that excercise faith in him!. So, you would worshipped Othniel right?.. Yess 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 12:01am On Jan 16, 2021 |
haddeylium:I don't even understand your point. You have to clearly state your point. We were never told to worship everyone that saves us. So what is your point. And like you, I also like my spot |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 12:05am On Jan 16, 2021 |
haddeylium:I feel you are trying to make a point but maybe you are not properly expressing yourself. Are you tying to ask me why I don't worship other saviours? |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by haddeylium(m): 12:07am On Jan 16, 2021 |
Tcwork: You'll shortly. Why is Othniel not worthy of your worship as a Saviour? Remember, he was Sent just as Jesus was sent by Jehovah. |
Re: Is Jesus Christ Jehovah? by Tcwork: 12:10am On Jan 16, 2021 |
haddeylium:Good question. We worship Christ because he is the Great Jehovah. The creature of heaven and earth. For a child has been born to us,+ A son has been given to us; And the rulership* will rest on his shoulder.+ His name will be called Wonderful Counselor,+ Mighty God,+ Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. He is our great king and leader. That is why we worship him |
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