YES! Only God chose those who are taking the lead in this setting unlike what you have in the world where you have to vote people you never met before just because they're from your tribe or nation or skin colour!
By the end of the day those you chose out of nepotism are the ones making you cry over the natural resources that supposed to benefit all of you.
God chose those to rule in his kingdom and we are already getting close to the system, that's why you're seeing LOVE, JOY and PEACE amongst the worshipers of my own God.
You will never see such anywhere, after all you want to be controlled by your own people, but we are ready to subject ourselves under God's rulership. Our salvation is on the way when all those wicked people you gave your mandate will be exterminated by God's Kingdom! Daniel 2:44

We are proudly children and subjects of God's kingdom!

Jman24:

I'm happy you realized it was meant to control a large population with you inclusive

Maamin:


Now you are saying there are more than one true God?

You seem to be roping yourself one way or the other.

Rope ke... how do you mean.
Is Jesus Christ a true God or not?

Now when the bible said only saviour it clearly did not mean that there could be possible no other saviour, right... other saviours came up. Same with true God

Jman24:



Stop contradicting your self. You claim it was people who brought the word ; immortal, deity etc but it wasn't people that suggested or wrote that Jesus died to reconcile us to same invisible God. Unless you are telling me a part of God who is immortal died.
( you have made a nonsense of his immortality if you ask me)
Like I said, nothing is 'absolute'

One of the major problem of man to God's word is understanding and ability to comprehend.

The Bible is not a circular book.

Jman24:



Stop contradicting your self. You claim it was people who brought the word ; immortal, deity etc but it wasn't people that suggested or wrote that Jesus died to reconcile us to same invisible God. Unless you are telling me a part of God who is immortal died.
( you have made a nonsense of his immortality if you ask me)
Like I said, nothing is 'absolute'

One of the major problem of man to God's word is understanding and ability to comprehend.

The Bible is not a circular book or it will be futile if your seeking of it takes an academic pattern.

Tcwork:
Even your own scriptures support my teaching that Jesus Christ /Jehovah is Saviour. Thanks for bringing up 1John4.14

You are doing the same thing that you dont want another to do to you

Tcwork:

Rope ke... how do you mean.
Is Jesus Christ a true God or not?

Are there more than one true God? Name them

Maamin:


Are there more than one true God? Name them

I asked you, is Jesus Christ a true God or a false God?

Maamin:


You are doing the same thing that you dont want another to do to you

1 John 4.14

In addition, we ourselves have seen and are bearing witness that the Father has sent his Son as savior of the world.
From this scripture, whathe was Jesus Christ sent to be? From the verse, who is the Savior of the world?
If I am sick and my father sends me a doctor, does that make the doctor any less than a doctor?
Jesus Christ was a Saviour sent to the world. This was my point all along.

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Stop contradicting your self. You claim it was people who brought the word ; immortal, deity etc but it wasn't people that suggested or wrote that Jesus died to reconcile us to same invisible God. Unless you are telling me a part of God who is immortal died.
( you have made a nonsense of his immortality if you ask me)
Like I said, nothing is 'absolute'[/]


Can you define the bold in relative to the discuss?

bixton:



One of the major problem of man to God's word is understanding and ability to comprehend.

The Bible is not a circular book.

Oh, give me a break.!
But you can comprehend or twist what ever suits you?

There is nothing academical here.
God being immortal and a part of him became mortal.? come on Africans!

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Logical reason is logical reason hallucinations is hallucination.
It is illogical to say a part of immortality became mortal. That's my point.
But any other submission we are bringing to the table is not an absolute because they were stories written by mortals

Maamin:


You are doing the same thing that you dont want another to do to you

Lol.
I can even climb one of their pulpits and twist the salvation story to the side of Judas. After all it was through him that Jesus was betrayed and if not for that .. maybe salvation wouldn't have come fast.
Remember Jesus told Judas explicitly "do what you have to do fast"

All these are philosophical ideas.

And yet, someone else could counter me that it's not so since a curse was placed on one through whom the son of man would be hung on a tree.

Africans... Una well done

MaxInDHouse:
That's exactly what is found written in our book (Bible) but that's not JEHOVAH Sir!
Each time JEHOVAH promises to come in person he always sent a human representative that's visible to humans and a mighty spirit being to be working hand in hand with the human representative. So both of them are JEHOVAH'S representatives not JEHOVAH himself!
Note what Satan told Jesus about the angel that supposed to be working hand in hand with Jesus just as it was with Moses! Luke 4:9-11

For clarification please read the Bible book of Exodus 14:19, so was it JEHOVAH that came down as a spirit being or one of his angels?

Ex 14.19
Then the angel of the true God+ who was going ahead of the camp of Israel departed and went to their rear, and the pillar of cloud that was in front of them moved to the rear and stood behind them
Luke4.9-11
He then led him into Jerusalem and stationed him on the battlement* of the temple and said to him: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down from here,+ 10 for it is written, ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you, to preserve you,’ 11 and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’”

Can't you see, anytime an angel represent God, it is always clearly stated so we are not confused.
But you went on to assume that it must be the same everywhere.
How did you come about such assumption?
Where the writers of the bible fools or lying when they said Moses spoke with Jehovah face to face.
Please let's not write our own bible. It's either we accept the written word or not. We can't put words in the mouth of the prophets they were not drunk when they wrote these things

Maamin:


The same way you're creating classes of Gods and differentiating small letter g and capital letter G God some while ago.

You obviously do not understand my words. My point was that there is nothing like a small god. That was my point. Pls go back and carefully read my text

The understanding is not given to everyone that's why Jesus said there's a sign that will help people living in the endtime to RECOGNIZE his followers They will have LOVE permeating their Organization globally and people throughout the earth will notice it! John 13:34-35

If you truly understand the word then present the religious group that's having such unusual kind of LOVE in their midst, if you don't know this then it means you don't understand Sir! Daniel 12:10

Tcwork:

Ex 14.19
Then the angel of the true God+ who was going ahead of the camp of Israel departed and went to their rear, and the pillar of cloud that was in front of them moved to the rear and stood behind them
Luke4.9-11
He then led him into Jerusalem and stationed him on the battlement* of the temple and said to him: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down from here,+ 10 for it is written, ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you, to preserve you,’ 11 and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’”

Can't you see, anytime an angel represent God, it is always clearly stated so we are not confused.
But you went on to assume that it must be the same everywhere.
How did you come about such assumption?
Where the writers of the bible fools or lying when they said Moses spoke with Jehovah face to face.
Please let's not write our own bible. It's either we accept the written word or not. We can't put words in the mouth of the prophets they were not drunk when they wrote these things

MaxInDHouse:
The understanding is not given to everyone that's why Jesus said there's a sign that will help people living in the endtime to RECOGNIZE his followers They will have LOVE permeating their Organization globally and people throughout the earth will notice it! John 13:34-35

If you truly understand the word then present the religious group that's having such unusual kind of LOVE in their midst, if you don't know this then it means you don't understand Sir! Daniel 12:10

So which organization is the love permeating from ?
Funny max

Tcwork:

Yea the trinity doctrine is not based in scriptures but you don't seem to get it. On the other hand the scriptures teach that Jehovah of the old testament is Jesus Christ

Fallacy.
Psalm 83:18, Jehovah is the Most High God.
You claim he is Jesus.
How will the Most High God have a Father.
What is the name of the Father of the Most High ?

Tcwork:

Oga that is the most plain scripture even for a child. Why don't we accept the scriptures without creating human interpretation.
Face to face does not mean an intimate communication it mean face to face.
And how does judges 6.11-22 have to do with this discussion. Gideon saw an angel, that was well documented and Moses saw Jehovah, equally well documented. And please everyone knows the meaning of face to face no need to twist the bible

Exodus 33:20-23

20 But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”

21 Jehovah said further: “Here is a place near me. Station yourself on the rock. 22 When my glory is passing by, I will place you in a crevice of the rock, and I will shield you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 After that I will take my hand away, and you will see my back. But my face may not be seen.”

Bros, verses 20 & 23... Is it in your Bible?

MaxInDHouse:
The understanding is not given to everyone that's why Jesus said there's a sign that will help people living in the endtime to RECOGNIZE his followers They will have LOVE permeating their Organization globally and people throughout the earth will notice it! John 13:34-35

If you truly understand the word then present the religious group that's having such unusual kind of LOVE in their midst, if you don't know this then it means you don't understand Sir! Daniel 12:10

I really love the simply way you see life. Anyone that does not agree with your line of reasoning is against Christ..
And it's funny than whenever we come up against what we can't explain we end up saying "You can't understand."
Who told you it is about me? This is a forum. Explain yourself. Even if I am so stupid that I can't understand. Someone else would.
Now you are claiming monopoly of understanding, go ahead and let's hear from your immense knowledge. Tell us, did Moses see Jehovah or not.

Janosky:


Fallacy.
Psalm 83:18, Jehovah is the Most High God.
You claim he is Jesus.
How will the Most High God have a Father.
What is the name of the Father of the Most High ?

How can't the most high God have a father. In fact why shouldn't he have a father? You need to ask basic questions first. What does it mean to be a God? What does it mean to be the most high God

Tcwork:

I really love the simply way you see life. Anyone that does not agree with your line of reasoning is against Christ..
And it's funny than whenever we come up against what we can't explain we end up saying "You can't understand."
Who told you it is about me? This is a forum. Explain yourself. Even if I am so stupid that I can't understand. Someone else would.
Now you are claiming monopoly of understanding, go ahead and let's hear from your immense knowledge. Tell us, did Moses see Jehovah or not
.

Exodus 33:20 -23..

Tcwork:

How can't the most high God have a father. In fact why shouldn't he have a father? You need to ask basic questions first. What does it mean to be a God? What does it mean to be the most high God

Bros , are you sure you're not joking?

Janosky:


Exodus 33:20-23

20 But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”

21 Jehovah said further: “Here is a place near me. Station yourself on the rock. 22 When my glory is passing by, I will place you in a crevice of the rock, and I will shield you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 After that I will take my hand away, and you will see my back. But my face may not be seen.”

Bros, verses 20 & 23... Is it in your Bible?

Please that was a different time. Moses and the congregation were not privileged to see Jehovah's face everytime but the few times he was seen, it was clearly recorded
Genesis 32.30
30 So Jacob named the place Pe·niʹel,*+ for he said, “I have seen God face-to-face, yet my life* was preserved

Tcwork:

Please that was a different time. Moses and the congregation were not privileged to see Jehovah's face everytime but the few times he was seen, it was clearly recorded

Bros, when and where did your Bible say that was a different time?

Maamin:


You are doing the same thing that you dont want another to do to you

I taya for the Bros Tcwork..
When the holy scriptures catch him napping,he deflects what the holy scriptures is saying

Janosky:


Bros, when and where did your Bible say that was a different time?

Did you not read the chapter? In verse 11 Moses saw God face to face and in verse 20 the privilege was taken from him. I am such you read it

Janosky:


Bros , are you sure you're not joking?

Since the begin of this thread, I have depended on the scriptures for all my teachings. Not on logic

Tcwork:

Please that was a different time. Moses and the congregation were not privileged to see Jehovah's face everytime but the few times he was seen, it was clearly recorded
Genesis 32.30
30 So Jacob named the place Pe·niʹel,*+ for he said, “I have seen God face-to-face, yet my life* was preserved

Hosea 12:3-4... Jacob fought with God's messenger he saw face to face..

Is God's Messenger His representative?

Janosky:


Exodus 33:20 -23..

If you want, I would give you a list of many others who saw Jehovah. So if the case of Moses is not so clear to you just let me know so I can give u many other references of men seeing Jehovah

Tcwork:

Since the begin of this thread, I have depended on the scriptures for all my teachings. Not on logic

The beauty of our interactions is that everyone following up our convo can check up the holy scriptures cited here and know what's true and what's not.

Janosky:


Hosea 12:3-4... Jacob fought with God's messenger he saw face to face..

Is God's Messenger His representative?

Oga come Jecob is not a fool. He fought with God's messenger that is clearly stated and he's seeing God is equally stated. I trust Jacob knows the difference