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jesusjnr2020:
Hi bro. I haven't concluded oh. From my first rapture dream it appeared we escaped the great tribulation, because it was after we were teleported from the danger zone to somewhere safe I suppose, that the devil appeared, which probably signified the beginning of his time to reign. So I thought it was before the great tribulation, but when I checked a place in the Bible where Jesus spoke of the rapture, it seemed to contradict it.

Later i saw where Jesus spoke of being worthy to escape these things. So what things was He speaking about if not the great tribulations?

So I haven't still gotten it oh. I'm still in the process of doing so that's why I can't take any firm position now, even though anyone was fine with me.

God bless.

obonujoker:
Hello bro.

I thought we've always concluded from biblical passages and references that the great tribulation is before rapture of the saints.... Jesus Christ himself specified this in Matthew 24 from vs 31.

Also in the parable of the ten virgins, after the bridegroom came, and the five wise virgins entered, the door was shut... The parable never recorded any second chance for the foolish virgins rather, let's see the bridegroom's reply in
Matthew 25:10-12 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

From these chapters and verses, a wise child of God should be able to deduce the truth, and shun the left behind movie series and John Darby's erroneous teachings

I will add more scriptures later from St Paul and John the Beloved.

Righteousness2:
Let no one Deceive or Confuse you.
The next agenda on the Time table is the Snatching away of the Saints otherwise known as The RAPTURE.
It could happen at anymoment!
Everything is Fulfilled!
Be Ready!
Live Ready!

Righteousness2:
Keep Decieving yourself!
Events will be Clear in your eyes soon

Ziel20:
On the rapture, I strongly believe its gonna be before the great tribulation.

Some people get confused though because the bible mentioned saints whose blood cried for justice.

Let me point something out. At the time of the rapture, there will be believers who did not ready themselves. Who will be left behind.

Now when the tribulation starts, people will be forced to receive a mark. Some of these believers who are left behind will strongly oppose that in such a way that many will pay for their redemption with their own blood.


They will rather die than take the mark. Taking the mark means that their is no more redemption for you but everlasting damnation.

DSC7:
You are the one that have not taken time to understand the Bible.......

Jesus is coming very soon(Rature) but not now bro xcept if death does not permit you(us) to witness it.....There are still many events yet to be witnessed.....Read the book of matthew and Revelation to understand better......




Las Las Watch and Pray always for even Jesus or the Angels dont know when the hour will be Except God Almighty....

jesusjnr2020:
The Rapture: Before Or After The Great Tribulation?

This is a topic that appears to be generating a lot of hot debates among Christians presently. I don't think there's much doubt about the rapture taking place, because that's generally agreed upon by Christians to be a certainty. But the bone of contention was when exactly it would take place, if before or after the great tribulation.

I must admit though that this topic is one that I'm not well informed about, because It's not been an area of interest to me. Anyone of them was good enough for me because I was made by Jesus to be prepared at all times for all kinds of situation just as the apostles.

Luke 12:35-40 (KJV)

Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Hence i'm not really concerned if the rapture takes place before or after the great tribulation, because I'm always ready as my loins are girded about and my light is always burning as the Master had instructed. And I believe that ought to be the same for every one of His followers.

However last year I got a rapture dream for the first time in my life. That was sometime in June. Since then I have had two more and one great tribulation dream. The most recent being the rapture dream I just had a few days ago.

It gave me the impression gave that the end was very near, hence people needed to be warned about this so that they can repent and be ready for the rapture.

So although such information may not be of much significance to me, there were yet those who need to aware of such. therefore being God's servant, i was meant to warn them about what was imminent, which explains the rapture dreams I've been receiving.

And that's what I've been doing since. Although repentance has always been a key part of my message, now it's become even more urgent because it seems there's not much time left going by the timing and frequency of the endtime dreams.

For more details on those rapture and great tribulation dreams, you can go to this thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/6386851/just-woke-up-third-rapture#98508258

I must also admit though, that because of the rapture and tribulation dreams I was now more informed about the rapture than I used to be beforehand, that I intended to share my view about it. However when I realized that i was still not informed enough to give a definite position on that subject, I had to suspend my initial plans, so as not to mislead others.

Therefore it's only when i'm ready for that, i would do so, although as things stand now, I'm more inclined to the position of tribulation before rapture, and that I believe is a safer position to be in the meantime, that may yet change along the way.

But for those who are completely sure of when the rapture would take place, this is an opportunity to convince those of us who aren't if the rapture would take place before or after the great tribulation.

As I said earlier though, regardless, the most important thing is for us to be ready at all times for all possible scenarios as Jesus instructed us to be.

God bless.

emmayoc:
Please we need to be careful not to mislead people with wrong believes and doctrines not supported by the word of God. This question is often asked those who say rapture before tribulations and I also asked u. Pls show me just one verse, only one verse in the Bible that tells u it's rapture first. U can't never see that.

But Bible states categorically that it's tribulations first then rapture take place. There are many scriptures in the Gospel, Epistle and book of Revelation. I will only show u two references in which Jesus our Lord Himself said in

Matthew 24:29-31:
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

2 Thessalonians 2:2-3
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Please I will emphasize again very strongly. Let your argument and beliefs be based on God's word which is the standard by which all matters are judged. Thanks

PeaceLoveJoy:
Exactly the same stand I share. Honestly, after reading points from pro post tribulation, I was dazzled since I was born into pre tribulation. I have dreamt about rapture too, 3 times to be precised, but that was a very long time ago before I was 7. Well, dreams can be a reflection of what we take in, and can be visions. Only you can tell. You just need to be more sensitive. What I know is that when one is prepared, whether pre or post, one has nothing to worry about. Though, it is good to know, but when people start laying too much emphasis on it and base their faith and fate on it, hmmmmm...they just allow the devil to score cheap goals against them. I can flow with either of the two fractions. None of them will ever give a concised answer, but I have learned from both.

For me, I do not care again. What is important is to know Christ and the power of His resurrection. Finished. Pre, post, in btw, along side, almost within, or whatever, I do not care again. It is a distraction from the real issue.

God bless you.

DSC7:
You are the one that have not taken time to understand the Bible.......

Jesus is coming very soon(Rature) but not now bro xcept if death does not permit you(us) to witness it.....There are still many events yet to be witnessed.....Read the book of matthew and Revelation to understand better......




Las Las Watch and Pray always for even Jesus or the Angels dont know when the hour will be Except God Almighty....

emmayoc:
Please we need to be careful not to mislead people with wrong believes and doctrines not supported by the word of God. This question is often asked those who say rapture before tribulations and I also asked u. Pls show me just one verse, only one verse in the Bible that tells u it's rapture first. U can't never see that.

But Bible states categorically that it's tribulations first then rapture take place. There are many scriptures in the Gospel, Epistle and book of Revelation. I will only show u two references in which Jesus our Lord Himself said in

Matthew 24:29-31:
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

2 Thessalonians 2:2-3
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Please I will emphasize again very strongly. Let your argument and beliefs be based on God's word which is the standard by which all matters are judged. Thanks

emmayoc:
Please tell them. People just say things without judgement or verifying from scriptures what they are quoting. What I don't understand is people quoting things without any tangible reference

Righteousness2:
Continue in your deceit! There is Nothing holding the Rapture of the saints! Instead the Rapture is what is Holding the antichrist from showing up! The Rapture can Happen at any Moment! Nothing is Holding it! JESUS could snatch away his bride now, today, tomorrow any Moment! Don't Deceive yourself or allow itself to be Deceived!!

jesusjnr2020:
The Rapture: Before Or After The Great Tribulation?

This is a topic that appears to be generating a lot of hot debates among Christians presently. I don't think there's much doubt about the rapture taking place, because that's generally agreed upon by Christians to be a certainty. But the bone of contention was when exactly it would take place, if before or after the great tribulation.

I must admit though that this topic is one that I'm not well informed about, because It's not been an area of interest to me. Anyone of them was good enough for me because I was made by Jesus to be prepared at all times for all kinds of situation just as the apostles.

Luke 12:35-40 (KJV)

Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Hence i'm not really concerned if the rapture takes place before or after the great tribulation, because I'm always ready as my loins are girded about and my light is always burning as the Master had instructed. And I believe that ought to be the same for every one of His followers.

However last year I got a rapture dream for the first time in my life. That was sometime in June. Since then I have had two more and one great tribulation dream. The most recent being the rapture dream I just had a few days ago.

It gave me the impression gave that the end was very near, hence people needed to be warned about this so that they can repent and be ready for the rapture.

So although such information may not be of much significance to me, there were yet those who need to aware of such. therefore being God's servant, i was meant to warn them about what was imminent, which explains the rapture dreams I've been receiving.

And that's what I've been doing since. Although repentance has always been a key part of my message, now it's become even more urgent because it seems there's not much time left going by the timing and frequency of the endtime dreams.

For more details on those rapture and great tribulation dreams, you can go to this thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/6386851/just-woke-up-third-rapture#98508258

I must also admit though, that because of the rapture and tribulation dreams I was now more informed about the rapture than I used to be beforehand, that I intended to share my view about it. However when I realized that i was still not informed enough to give a definite position on that subject, I had to suspend my initial plans, so as not to mislead others.

Therefore it's only when i'm ready for that, i would do so, although as things stand now, I'm more inclined to the position of tribulation before rapture, and that I believe is a safer position to be in the meantime, that may yet change along the way.

But for those who are completely sure of when the rapture would take place, this is an opportunity to convince those of us who aren't if the rapture would take place before or after the great tribulation.

As I said earlier though, regardless, the most important thing is for us to be ready at all times for all possible scenarios as Jesus instructed us to be.

God bless.

emmayoc:
Please we need to be careful not to mislead people with wrong believes and doctrines not supported by the word of God. This question is often asked those who say rapture before tribulations and I also asked u. Pls show me just one verse, only one verse in the Bible that tells u it's rapture first. U can't never see that.

But Bible states categorically that it's tribulations first then rapture take place. There are many scriptures in the Gospel, Epistle and book of Revelation. I will only show u two references in which Jesus our Lord Himself said in

Matthew 24:29-31:
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

2 Thessalonians 2:2-3
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Please I will emphasize again very strongly. Let your argument and beliefs be based on God's word which is the standard by which all matters are judged. Thanks

jesusjnr2020:
The Rapture: Before Or After The Great Tribulation?

This is a topic that appears to be generating a lot of hot debates among Christians presently. I don't think there's much doubt about the rapture taking place, because that's generally agreed upon by Christians to be a certainty. But the bone of contention was when exactly it would take place, if before or after the great tribulation.

I must admit though that this topic is one that I'm not well informed about, because It's not been an area of interest to me. Anyone of them was good enough for me because I was made by Jesus to be prepared at all times for all kinds of situation just as the apostles.

Luke 12:35-40 (KJV)

Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Hence i'm not really concerned if the rapture takes place before or after the great tribulation, because I'm always ready as my loins are girded about and my light is always burning as the Master had instructed. And I believe that ought to be the same for every one of His followers.

However last year I got a rapture dream for the first time in my life. That was sometime in June. Since then I have had two more and one great tribulation dream. The most recent being the rapture dream I just had a few days ago.

It gave me the impression gave that the end was very near, hence people needed to be warned about this so that they can repent and be ready for the rapture.

So although such information may not be of much significance to me, there were yet those who need to aware of such. therefore being God's servant, i was meant to warn them about what was imminent, which explains the rapture dreams I've been receiving.

And that's what I've been doing since. Although repentance has always been a key part of my message, now it's become even more urgent because it seems there's not much time left going by the timing and frequency of the endtime dreams.

For more details on those rapture and great tribulation dreams, you can go to this thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/6386851/just-woke-up-third-rapture#98508258

I must also admit though, that because of the rapture and tribulation dreams I was now more informed about the rapture than I used to be beforehand, that I intended to share my view about it. However when I realized that i was still not informed enough to give a definite position on that subject, I had to suspend my initial plans, so as not to mislead others.

Therefore it's only when i'm ready for that, i would do so, although as things stand now, I'm more inclined to the position of tribulation before rapture, and that I believe is a safer position to be in the meantime, that may yet change along the way.

But for those who are completely sure of when the rapture would take place, this is an opportunity to convince those of us who aren't if the rapture would take place before or after the great tribulation.

As I said earlier though, regardless, the most important thing is for us to be ready at all times for all possible scenarios as Jesus instructed us to be.

God bless.

Roseey0:
Yes some people will be given the privilege to not see tribulation.

But tribulation is inevitable for most Christians. That's what tests your stance in Christ.

Go and read about the apostles and how they died before following Christ.
Your glory will be for eternity.

Roseey0:
Yes some people will be given the privilege to not see tribulation.

But tribulation is inevitable for most Christians. That's what tests your stance in Christ.

Go and read about the apostles and how they died before following Christ.
Your glory will be for eternity.

Righteousness2:
Continue in your deceit!
There is Nothing holding the Rapture of the saints!
Instead the Rapture is what is Holding the antichrist from showing up!
The Rapture can Happen at any Moment! Nothing is Holding it!
JESUS could snatch away his bride now, today, tomorrow any Moment!
Don't Deceive yourself or allow itself to be Deceived!!

engineerboat:
Read revelation 1 to the end.

You cannot compare the troubles, pains described in matthew 24 with what will happen during the great tribulation.

Is the seal upon the world

Read your bible very well please

Righteousness2:
Let no one Deceive or Confuse you.
The next agenda on the Time table is the Snatching away of the Saints otherwise known as The RAPTURE.
It could happen at anymoment!
Everything is Fulfilled!
Be Ready!
Live Ready!

justli:
The church in Africa believe in rapture before tribulation, and we have held that view for decades. The concern then is what might to people's faith if the church witness the tribulation. A lot of people will lose their faith in God.

I tried talking to someone once about the need to keep an open mind and preparation for both possibilities, but instead this brother rebuked me. But regardless, we must begin to reeducate the church on this.