Kobojunkie:
1. The Old Law and the Prophets which Jesus Christ also preached are of importance. However, the one and only Gospel remains Jesus Christ.

2. A disciple is a servant who can and will never be greater than His Master. Jesus Christ Himself made this known to you in His Gospel/Law to you. There is only one Gospel/Law and the details of the Law are found in the Words of Jesus Christ-- everlasting Words.

3. Canonized by whom? God?

I did not at any point imply that any of the disciples/apostles was greater than Jesus Christ.
I simply stated that since they taught what Jesus Christ taught, through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, then their epistles are also Word of God.

What do you understand by John 16:12-14

“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."

Dtruthspeaker:


There is no difference save that the first report lays the beginning of the world and the last report covers the end.

I do not agree with your premise simply because saying there's no difference between old and new covenant/testament means nothing changed after the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ?
And means it's pointless naming one old and the other new.

sonmvayina:


I did so and he told me to stay clear of idolatry..

I am doing just that..

I prayed to God. And he opened my heart, there is nothing about Christianity or new testament I don't know. I was an alter server and two time secretary of the cyon in Benin city.

So when I encountered God. He opened my eyes to the paganism in Christianity. He adviced I keep the laws and when I failed I should sincerely ask for forgiveness and he is ever ready to forgive.. and that his mercies endures forever....and if he has forgiven, he has forgiven, he does not need the blood of humans or animals. That those belong to the realm of Lucifer .What he desires is a contrite heart..
And also that we are all his children and he loves us dearly..

He alone is God..and there is no one beside him..

I've been there, trust me. May be not at the same level as you.
If you don't mind me asking, did you receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit back then?

Kobojunkie:
1. There is only one Gospel--- the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God --- and it is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ told you that He alone is The Way to the Father, The Truth of God and The Eternal Life of God. So, what other Gospel do you cling to in His stead?

2. Accept the compendium of the Bible? I don't understand. Scripture does not begin or end with your Bible as there are other scriptures outside of your Bible.

1. There is only one gospel- Jesus Christ. True
But before Jesus was born, there was the Old testament. Hence the old testament is important.
And after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, there were early disciples, some of whom became Apostles.
If you had been one of these early disciples of Jesus Christ, and you preached and taught what Jesus taught you through the understanding of the Holy Spirit, would that mean that you were continuing in Gospel of the Word of God?

2. Exactly. But the 66 canonized books were carefully compiled.

Kobojunkie:
1. I "biased" definition happens to come mainly from the teaching of Jesus Christ warning His followers warning them that the doctrines and traditions of men are nothing but lies that deceive men away from God's Truth - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.

2. Jesus Christ never practiced Judaism, the religion. Instead Jesus Christ lived His life in submission and obedience to God's Law and Covenant in the Land of Israel, the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan. Judaism was the religion practiced by the Pharisees and Saducees, and many of the teachers of the Law of His time, and Jesus Christ openly railed against it casting their doctrines and traditions as nothing but lies with which they Shackled the people with for their gain.

The challenge I've observed concerning you,, if I may share is that you only accept the synoptic gospels as word of God.
As good as that is, you need to accept the compendium of the Bible as the Word of God. Both Old and New Testaments and Pray for the Understaning of the Holyspirit.

I believe you're a vessel that will do mighty works in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.

sonmvayina:


Kpele..sorry oh..ejoor.

You are just finding it hard to accept that Jesus is a Roman empire creation..

Probably because you have invested your whole life on it..

My dear jesus is a fictional character created by Rome to deceive gullible people and you fell for the scam....

God gave humans laws to keep and follow so that we will live in peace and enjoy our human experience. End of the day our bodies return to the earth, and our breath returns to God who owns it ..

I have invested very little compared to a lot of people. I've doubted, backslided and even strayed away.

I believe I've answered you already.

Whenever you're truly ready to find the Truth, you'll pray to God with an open, humble and repentant heart.
It's easier to do so today, cos truly tomorrow might be too late.

sonmvayina:


Continue in your delusions..

When the time comes for you to wake up to the fabrication you will. But now continue to wallow in your believe in absurdities...

If there is anything I would like you to take from our engagement today, it's to respect other people's beliefs.
I won't shove mine down your throat, I can only explain why I hold my belief.
And I respect yours. There is a reason you hold your belief too.
However, wisdom is justified by her children (results).

Shalom.

sonmvayina:


The heart and soul of the Tanakh is the Torah. The idea of a Messiah only surfaced when the Jews longed for an anointed king who will deliver them from their enemies and end all oppression against the Jewish nation.

Messiah means anointed king or priest....

It is by no means a demi god....

I understand you. And you are very right.
It is the same reason the Jewish leaders (Pharisees, Saducees, Scribes) rejected Jesus Christ, and still reject him till date. (Only few Jews believe in Jesus Christ.)
Because searching through the scripture- Law and Prophets (Tanakh/Talmud/Torah) it was not clearly stated. And for a good reason.

Truth is, it is a Mystery. It is spiritual.
Had it been clearly stated, the devil would have known God's redemption plan for man.
Satan would not only have ordered 2 year olds to be killed like Herod did, he would have made sure Jesus Christ never suffered or died to fulfill and accomplish His spiritual victory.

To begin to see it in the Old testament is simple, Only when you believe in God and Jesus Christ his only begotten Son. That explains why a Christian believes it completely.

John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

Humility Before God

Perhaps the highest level of pride in the bible is to raise our hearts and forget God after he has blessed us.
God continued to sound this note of warning vehemently in the ears of the Israelites when He delivered them from Egypt. Yet they became proud and suffered grave consequences for it for generations.

Deuteronomy 8:1-19
"Be careful to follow every command I am giving you today, so that you may live and increase and may enter and possess the land the Lord promised on oath to your ancestors. 2 Remember how the Lord your God led you all the way in the wilderness these forty years, to humble and test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commands. 3 He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your ancestors had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord. 4 Your clothes did not wear out and your feet did not swell during these forty years. 5 Know then in your heart that as a man disciplines his son, so the Lord your God disciplines you.

6 Observe the commands of the Lord your God, walking in obedience to him and revering him. 7 For the Lord your God is bringing you into a good land—a land with brooks, streams, and deep springs gushing out into the valleys and hills; 8 a land with wheat and barley, vines and fig trees, pomegranates, olive oil and honey; 9 a land where bread will not be scarce and you will lack nothing; a land where the rocks are iron and you can dig copper out of the hills.

10 When you have eaten and are satisfied, praise the Lord your God for the good land he has given you. 11 Be careful that you do not forget the Lord your God, failing to observe his commands, his laws and his decrees that I am giving you this day. 12 Otherwise, when you eat and are satisfied, when you build fine houses and settle down, 13 and when your herds and flocks grow large and your silver and gold increase and all you have is multiplied, 14 then your heart will become proud and you will forget the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 15 He led you through the vast and dreadful wilderness, that thirsty and waterless land, with its venomous snakes and scorpions. He brought you water out of hard rock. 16 He gave you manna to eat in the wilderness, something your ancestors had never known, to humble and test you so that in the end it might go well with you. 17 You may say to yourself, “My power and the strength of my hands have produced this wealth for me.” 18 But remember the Lord your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your ancestors, as it is today.

19 If you ever forget the Lord your God and follow other gods and worship and bow down to them, I testify against you today that you will surely be destroyed. 20 Like the nations the Lord destroyed before you, so you will be destroyed for not obeying the Lord your God."


But if we remain humble before God, His promises are true from generations to generations..

Proverbs 3:5-6
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths."

sonmvayina:


Stop deflating...

Let me oblige you, the universe has a creator. He is not a man or human being. God is the universal consciousnesses personified....

The universe is mental....not material..

Thanks for sharing.
From our interactions here, I observed your exposure to Judaism/Old testament seems to be the basis for your rejection of Jesus Christ. Right?
Do you believe God has a redemption plan for his creation, since the fall of Adam in the Old testament?
If yes, what's your understanding of God's redemption plan?

Maynman:
I didn’t say what’s messiah called in greek, I asked the origin of the word



But you are asking me about the jews who don’t speak English.

What’s the origin of the word “messiah”?
Don’t you need to understand words you are using, or you just regurgitating what they told you.

I don't believe in engaging is rigmarolic argument.
We both understand what I mean by Messiah. This discussion is not about the origin of the word Messiah.

So you do agree that the bible does teach that the Jews were promised a Messiah.
My simple question to you is "Who do you perceive is that Messiah?"

Maynman:


Jews don’t speak English, what’s the origin of the word “messiah”?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants

מלך המשיח
Messiah, Christ, Kristos, etc
I do not speak Hebrew either, but we both understand each other cos we both understand English.
You did not answer my question though.

Who do you perceive is the Messiah?

Maynman:


The reason is because that’s what the text says,
My question to you is why do you desperately want it to be Jesus Christ a mixture of latin and greek name?

The jews that owns the books we are quoting reject your jesus from rome.

The jews didn’t create New Testament, they have no reason to, your jesus doesn’t exist outside the New Testament.
So tell me why you think a character in New Testament is what is been referred to in tanakh?

Do the Jews believe in the prophecy of the Messiah?
If yes, who do you perceive is the Messiah?

Kobojunkie:
Religion is a system of power, and control built atop on theologies and traditions of men, designed by men with which to rule over their fellow men. God never gave Religion to men. He gave to the Israelites His Law, YHWH, a National Constitution — the Law of Moses — but men decided they would rather have for themselves Judaism, the religion. God then gave Jesus Christ, His Law, and Gospel in the Kingdom of God, to the House of Jacob; but again, men decided they would rather have for themselves religion and so here we are today with a religion called Christianity that is nothing of what God in fact desires from men. The reason for the division you observe in your churches has to do with the fact that the religion itself has nothing to do with God's Law, Jesus Christ.

Your definition of religion seems quite biased.
Because the knowledge of God comes through studying under a religion.
If you believe in Jesus Christ, you'll have read in scripture that he practiced Judaism from childhood until he became of age in his ministry.
And today, we need Christianity to know God through Jesus Christ.

Maynman:


Comprehend with sense please.

כִּי יֶלֶד יֻלַּד לָנוּ, בֵּן נִתַּן לָנוּ, וַתְּהִי הַמִּשְׂרָה עַל שִׁכְמוֹ, וַיִּקְרָא שְׁמוֹ פֶּלֶא יוֹעֵץ - אֵל גִּבּוֹר - אֲבִי עַד: שַׂר שָׁלוֹם

For a child has been born for us, a son given to us, and the government will be on his shoulder. his name will be “Wondrous counsel, God is mighty (i.e. Hezekiah), my father endures, prince of peace”.

I have no predisposition towards you or your opinion.
I noticed from your previous comments, you perceive it refers to King Hezekiah and not Jesus Christ.
I simply want to know your reason.

Maynman:

the operative word here in Hebrew is Yulad, “was born” from the Hebrew grammatical construct of Binyan Pu’al. The English translations that dubiously say “is born” are therefore incorrect. Being that this refers to someone who “was born” and already living during Isaiah’s time, that is 700 years before Jesus! So in no way, can this verse refer to Jesus. But rather, it refers to King Chizkiyahu (Hezekiah), a contemporary of Isaiah’s.

Do share your understanding of the scripture Isaiah 9:6, with reason please.

sonmvayina:
How did the Christian arrive at jesus after reading the Jewish scriptures??

That is my question...

Anybody that can provide authentic sources outside of Christian propaganda will win a life time supply of the last thing they bought..

God cannot send his son to earth and nobody noticed..it is impossible....I want an eye witness account..somebody that actually saw him

Or when God said he had a son that he was sending as a ransom...and sacrifice for sin in the old testament...

What is your understanding of Creation and where we are today?

"For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." John 1:17

"But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10-11, Hebrews 10:16-18

"Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them." Ezekiel 36:25-27, Joel 2:28-29

The Law Through Moses;
-Deuteronomy 5:5-21 The 10 Commandments
-Deuteronomy 6:5 The Law through Moses
-Luke 10:25-28 Eternal Life through The Law of Moses as confirmed by Jesus Christ

Grace and Truth Through Jesus Christ
-John 17:3 Eternal Life through Grace and Truth through Jesus Christ
"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."
-John 3:1-21 Jesus explains this mystery. Being born of Water and of Spirit. There is no condemnation for all who believe in Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God.

These Promises and Prophecies were fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost.

"When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:1-4

God fulfilled His Promise through the Victory of Jesus Christ on the Cross.
We now have Victory in the name of Christ over sin, death and Satan.
All we have to do is come into the knowledge of God through Jesus Christ.

"Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation." Acts 2:38-40

"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Romans 8:1-4

What then is the conclusion?
You can either remain in the Law, struggling to fulfill the requirements of the Law, by which no flesh can be justified.
Or you can accept the Grace and Truth that is in Christ Jesus, by which we have Liberty as we Walk not according to the flesh but Walk according to the Spirit.
It is important to know that Abraham did not live by the laws of Moses, God imputed Righteousness on him, simply because he believed on God. Genesis 15:6. Romans 4:3

Of a Truth, Walking in the Spirit, Living by Faith upholds the Law. Romans 3:31
As Grace is simply the Law being programmed into our hearts without the sacrificial requirements of the Law.

The Mystery therefore is that God does not condemn us when we commit sin in Christ, because Christ lived on earth and knows our weaknesses and strengths and He makes intercessions for us daily before the Father.
He has also given us the Holy Spirit to Comfort us and Help us grow, shaping us through the Power of His Word and True Ministers into His image and likeness, according to our repentance, willingness and revelation of His love for us and for creation.

The New Covenant is a Covenant of the Spirit.
We do not simply walk by sight or dictates of the law. We can only truly know God's will according to the Holy Spirit and Word of God when we have been born of Water and Spirit.

Truly, Creation awaits the manifestation of the sons of God.
"For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now." Romans 8:19-22

Hiswordxray:
pressplay411
When you zoom in on the parts of a body, you will think all that exist is that part. For example, if you are laying on a table and I take a picture of you and zoom in on your hand so that the rest doesn't show in the picture. Anybody who looks at that picture would think the hand is all that there is. They would think someone cut a piece of hand on the the table.

If I continue like that take several parts of your body, zooming in only on those parts, cutting out the rest, then I will have scattered pictures of different parts of your body on a table. Yes, we would have individual scattered pieces and people would not know it is actually one body, one person. This is exactly how the Church is today. We have denominations and teachers who have zoom in one part of Christ, making it look as if that part is all there is.

But if I should stop zooming in, and I just take a picture of the whole of your body then people would finally see that it is one body with different parts. These various parts represented by different denominations and movements is actually one body, one person (Christ). These denominations and movements have been presenting a view of different parts to us, that is why we are so divided. But if only we have a view of the whole body, we will see how the different parts are actually joined together to form one body.

This is what I am trying to do in a course that I started. The course is titled Oneness With The Truth . There I am presenting an wholistic view of Christ, and I am demonstrating how the difference parts fit together into one body. My hope is that many Christians come to take this course and then our view will change.

Now, concerning practicing oneness as a body, we will need a structure that will allow such practice. And I have discovered a structure called the ecclesia, that would allow for the practice of unity and oneness in the midst of diversity. Ecclesia allows us to maintain our individual uniqueness and the diversity of the body, yet ensuring oneness and unity in the body of Christ.

I wrote more about this structure in a post here on Nairaland. This is the link:
https://www.nairaland.com/5650436/ecclesia-vs-church-system-better

This argument can be used to justify that all monotheistic religions are also just different parts of one body.
Which I don't believe you agree with.

JoeNL22:

See rubbish talk!.....but you can insult obi. A man without political structure. Don't worry. We will tell you that sane Nigerians through obi are the structure.

Does PO qualify as a Senior citizen in the political architecture of Nigeria?
On the contrary, he's the babe among the 4 major aspirants.

Though I don't subscribe to online bullying and mud-slinging, obidient online trolls make it difficult to support PO.

Nazgul:
The problem is people would still borrow money from them, then come online to cry victim. If everyone stopped patronizing them, they'll shut down. It's that simple.

If you run a loan coy or work in one, you'll understand why some of them go to this extent.
Though some of this is quite extreme.

A lot of Nigerians take loans without intention to pay back. And are serial borrowers taking loan from every new loan app that surfaces.

I used to work as a credit officer in an MFI, I can tell you what I faced. it was not a funny experience.

My advice, if you have no intention of paying back, then don't go and take loans. Loans are not charity or give-aways.
Cos people's jobs are on the line when people default on loans. And some coys end up folding up when their bad loans are too much, and run them bankrupt.

jesusjnr2020:

My beloved bro, though you may not know this but you're actually God-sent. It was God that brought you here Himself, because He's the One that sent me here and is backing me, not man.

Since the time I said I was praying for you sometime last year, I've not stopped. In fact I actually prayed for you today even though it's been over eight months since we last had any manner of conversation. And it's not long since I just concluded my prayers that I came here, and, lo and behold, there you were. Your situation exactly fits the idea of this thread, which is to especially handle matters that man has not been able to solve with medicine and science.

Now from what you said, I have a feeling that it's a demonic influence behind what you're experiencing, that's why it couldn't be traced by the doctors you saw. And it's just moments ago that God told me He'd given me authority over the demons, so I believe your case has already been settled because it wasn't meant for evil but for good, but God just wanted to use your case to glorify His Name in this thread.

Therefore you're already healed right now, and any thing behind your experience has been sent packing out of your body never to return anymore, in the Name of Jesus whose Words I rep here in Nairaland and elsewhere. Amen!

I await your testimony bro.

God bless.

Amen.
Nice to have you back bro. Thanks for the prayers.
By God's grace I hope to share my testimony soon.

jesusjnr2020:
Luke 4:14 (KJV)
And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

Matthew 4:23-24 (KJV)
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

I have been having loss of appetite a lot recently. The sight of food literally churns my stomach that I feel like throwing up.
I rarely eat, even when order some of my favorite meals.
I've seen two different doctors but still the same.
People have started complaining that I'm emaciating.
Please pray for me.

hoopernikao:
CORRECTING THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF CALLING JESUS AN ANGEL

CORRECTION 1: BIBLE EXPLICIT DETAILS AVAILABLE TO US DID NOT POINT TO JESUS DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY AS ANGEL.

Knowing fully well how God is a detailed being. Going by the scriptures, there are key things that the scriptures and God wouldnt have paraphrased or used lazily. For example, you will see doctrine or Faith, Righteousness, Salvation etc are well explicit and documented in the bible. These were so, so that we can have clarity.

Hence going by context of the scriptures, you cannot see any where to ascertain the doctrine of Jesus is Angel, any where. Those who claimed that have to robbed the scriptures to arrived at it.

See few bible usage of words related to Jesus below.

Jesus was referred to in many names in the scriptures, from savior, Christ, Son of Man, Son of God etc, but we cant see anywhere it included the name of an angel to represent him.

Basic name usage as per Jesus.

SON OF MAN: Used 16 times directly
CHRIST: 569 times
JESUS: 975 times
SON OF GOD: over 50 times
SAVIOR, LORD, PRINCE, MASTER, PASSOVER, REDEMPTION, OFFERING FOR SIN etc: Used over 300 times.
ANGEL: 0 times

Note: No single verse referred him to as angel. Not even indirectly or by error in both his divinity or humanity. NONE.


Usage of MICHAEL and ANGELS in Scriptures

MICHEAL: 5 times
ANGELS: 94 times.

In non of these were they referring to Jesus. NONE.

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Also see.

USAGE of the phrase "HIS ANGELS"

One of the claim of those advocating Jesus as angel or archangel is a context that placed him in the phrase "JESUS AND HIS ANGELS"

They claim, that means Jesus is an arch angel since he has angels. The deception in this is that such person subtly remove the fact that there are other personalities in the bible that were referred to in such phrase too.

Matt 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,


The advocate used this two scriptures to draw a point on Jesus has angels, Micheal has angels, then Jesus and Michael are the same. This is a grievous error from such people and it is also and insincere effort.

Note, the same Rev 12:7 said the dragon has his angels. We likewise have scriptures that spoke about God (his angels).

Ps 91:11 For h[/b]e shall give [b]his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

1 Corinthians 13:1 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

Revelation 3:5 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared


In the 3 Scriptures above, we see angels used as possession of God. This means other advocate can also push that since God has angels, and Jesus has angels, then Jesus is God, sadly, this is what the proponent of Jesus is angel dont want to hear.

Such interpretation is just our imagination, it is doctrinally false and erroneous.

We cannot established with the scriptures that Jesus is an angel and he is surely not. Hence it is an error to suggest such as doctrine.

I will give a follow up later on CORRECTION 2 (NO SCRIPTURE ON JESUS' APPEARANCE IN HIS SECOND COMING EVER CALLED HIM ANGEL BUT MOSTLY CALLED SON OF MAN) if required.

@Janosky, Maximus69, DappaD, Acehart, Rozz, MuttleyLaff, Myer, Goshen360

I intentionally avoided this discourse for the simple fact that it is one of those that I have termed inconclusive arguments.

While we can't find the mention of the trinity of God is the bible, yet it can be inferred. The same can be said of Jesus being Archangel Michael.

By definition the word Angel means a messenger from God.
And Archangel means the Primary messenger from God.

By inference the title and position would seem only suitable to the person of Jesus Christ.

I think DappaD has done justice with the scriptural references to support this.

However like other spiritual affairs, it is subject to personal revelation.

budaatum:
What you call "divided", I call God building up a people of power in knowledge and wisdom as we learn from one another and grow. For we are mere clay until the Infinitely Wise God breathes through our nostrils to make us human as is being done here.

The only issue is, some hold their nose so the breath of God does not enter. But it's their nose and they have the right to not be stunk up.

Almighty and everlasting God, who hast revealed thyself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and dost ever live and reign in the perfect unity of love: Grant that we may always hold firmly and joyfully to this faith, and, living in praise of thy divine majesty, may finally be one in thee; who art three persons in one God, world without end. Amen.

Happy Trinity Sunday!
The day we are stunk by the Holy Ghost!

Do you really believe this is part of Gods9plan in building his church (eclesia)?

Freestainworld:
judgement will surely start from the church, the church is so divided that we see ourselves differently if we don't fellowship in the same church, I had the experience when I wanted to settle with a particular lady, her parents insisted I join their church before they give in their consent, but trust me, I told them that is never gonna happen, you can't dictate to another man on how to live his life, you feel your decision is the best, that is the same way I feel about mine, long story short, never married the babe again, and God sent an angel who I am chilling with today.

This is very common especially in the orthodox churches. This is not common in pentecostals.

SouthNigerian:
Because Christianity is no longer living from its root.

Can you elaborate?

Like a lot of Nigerians, I was born into a Christian home but later personally rededicated myself to Christ.

It was a great experience for me personally choosing to follow Christ. I felt his love, the presence of the Holyspirit and so I decided to be discipled.

However, I realised that the body of Christ is divided, even as a local assembly where I worshipped.

Denominationalism is probably the greatest scourge of the church. I remember whenever we went for evangelism it was basically to get people to leave their church and start fellowshiping with us.
In fact you're not really a Christian until you fellowshiped with us.

I also joined a few interdenominational fellowships, most notably Discipleship classes by Bro Gbile.
In this fellowship I realised they condemned most church denominations.
If you've not been in their Discipleship class you're not yet a Christian.

I know of churches where they don't even allow marriages outside their denomination.

It makes me wonder how did we get here since God is not an author of confusion. We are supposed to be united if indeed we believe in the same Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:12-14
For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
For in fact the body is not one member but many.

This scripture makes me question what the body of Christ has become.

MuttleyLaff:
Gbam!

That is just an opinion, which is contradicted by other opinions in the commentary.
He claimed Angels made inaudible sounds, how then do we explain angels sing Holy Holy in heaven?
How them does Angel Gabriel deliver good tidings?

Another opinion in the commentary below contradicts that position and seems more plausible as it agrees with other scriptures.

i. In Paul’s day, many Jews believed angels had their own language, and by the Spirit, one could speak it. The reference to tongues of… angels shows that though the genuine gift of tongues is a legitimate language, it may not be a “living” human language, or may not be a human language at all. Apparently, there are angelic languages men can speak by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Bible Commentaries
Enduring Word.

1 Corinthians 13: 1-2

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

a. Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels: The Corinthians were enamored with spiritual gifts, particularly the gift of tongues. Paul reminds them even the gift of tongues is meaningless without love. Without love, a person may speak with the gift of tongues, but it is as meaningless as sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. It is nothing but empty noise.

i. “People of little religion are always noisy; he who has not the love of God and man filling his heart is like an empty wagon coming violently down a hill: it makes a great noise, because there is nothing in it.” (Josiah Gregory, cited in Clarke)

b. Tongues of men and of angels: The ancient Greek word translated tongues has the simple idea of “languages” in some places (Acts 2:11 and Revelation 5:9). This has led some to say the gift of tongues is simply the ability to communicate the gospel in other languages, or it is the capability of learning languages quickly. But the way tongues is used here shows it can, and usually does, refer to a supernatural language by which a believer communicates to God. There is no other way to understand the reference to tongues of… angels.

i. In Paul’s day, many Jews believed angels had their own language, and by the Spirit, one could speak it. The reference to tongues of… angels shows that though the genuine gift of tongues is a legitimate language, it may not be a “living” human language, or may not be a human language at all. Apparently, there are angelic languages men can speak by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

ii. Poole has a fascinating comment, suggesting that the tongues of… angelsdescribes how God may speak to us in a non-verbal way: “Angels have no tongues, nor make any articulate audible sounds, by which they understand one another; but yet there is certainly a society or intercourse among angels, which could not be upheld without some way amongst them to communicate their minds and wills to each other. How this is we cannot tell: some of the schoolmen say, it is by way of impression: that way God, indeed, communicates his mind sometimes to his people, making secret impressions of his will upon their minds and understandings.”

madridsta007:


Stop being silly.
The only region who have been vocal and have the history of being involved in seperation is the Old Eastern Nigeria of which the SE is a main component.
Of course you know this. Wonder what this silliness is for?

No one is talking about history here. Secession favoured SE then in the 60s/70s when the SS was part of your plan. Today you've managed to ostracize yourselves by creating enemies with every other tribe because of your arrogance and duplicity..

Besides most of your businesses are in the West because you'abandoned your arid lands for greener pastures.
Why do you think it's only broke Igbos pushing for division?
You don't know the half. Let Kanu keep gasing you while enriching himself.

Jakumo:
The Chinese wish to annex and own the entire African continent, because Africa has what the greedy Chinese need, namely land to house their population that breeds like cockroaches despite the tiny bedroom tackle of the Chinese male, along with natural resources such as timber, gold, crude oil and diamonds, to feed the insatiable, addictive greed of the Chinese.

To that end, the Chinese feel they need to exterminate most the black Africans that they hate so much, while enslaving the rest, whose land they expect to grab by offering loan-shark cash to corrupt African leaders, in the hopes of owning entire nations via such debt traps, forgetting that in the final analysis, the Chinese could STILL be booted unceremoniously out of Africa, and advised to collect their bad-faith bogus loans from the bank account of the heads of state that took those insulting bribes in the first place.

To any Chinese nationals residing in Africa, please be aware that you are hated with a passion, and that you will be killed for ritual sacrifice the instant your security detail drops their guard. The only good Chinese invader to Africa, is a dead one, and in good time, when the African continent fully awakens to the cancer that is this insidious Chinese invasion, Chinese nationals will be hunted down and shot for pure entertainment, until the very last of those vermin phucks off back to their polluted, wasted land of China, where they belong, and where they will rot.

Chinese parasites OUT of Africa TODAY !

You're worse than KKK.