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sonmvayina:
How did the Christian arrive at jesus after reading the Jewish scriptures??

That is my question...

Anybody that can provide authentic sources outside of Christian propaganda will win a life time supply of the last thing they bought..

God cannot send his son to earth and nobody noticed..it is impossible....I want an eye witness account..somebody that actually saw him

Or when God said he had a son that he was sending as a ransom...and sacrifice for sin in the old testament...

What is your understanding of Creation and where we are today?

"For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." John 1:17

"But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10-11, Hebrews 10:16-18

"Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them." Ezekiel 36:25-27, Joel 2:28-29

The Law Through Moses;
-Deuteronomy 5:5-21 The 10 Commandments
-Deuteronomy 6:5 The Law through Moses
-Luke 10:25-28 Eternal Life through The Law of Moses as confirmed by Jesus Christ

Grace and Truth Through Jesus Christ
-John 17:3 Eternal Life through Grace and Truth through Jesus Christ
"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."
-John 3:1-21 Jesus explains this mystery. Being born of Water and of Spirit. There is no condemnation for all who believe in Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God.

These Promises and Prophecies were fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost.

"When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:1-4

God fulfilled His Promise through the Victory of Jesus Christ on the Cross.
We now have Victory in the name of Christ over sin, death and Satan.
All we have to do is come into the knowledge of God through Jesus Christ.

"Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation." Acts 2:38-40

"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Romans 8:1-4

What then is the conclusion?
You can either remain in the Law, struggling to fulfill the requirements of the Law, by which no flesh can be justified.
Or you can accept the Grace and Truth that is in Christ Jesus, by which we have Liberty as we Walk not according to the flesh but Walk according to the Spirit.
It is important to know that Abraham did not live by the laws of Moses, God imputed Righteousness on him, simply because he believed on God. Genesis 15:6. Romans 4:3

Of a Truth, Walking in the Spirit, Living by Faith upholds the Law. Romans 3:31
As Grace is simply the Law being programmed into our hearts without the sacrificial requirements of the Law.

The Mystery therefore is that God does not condemn us when we commit sin in Christ, because Christ lived on earth and knows our weaknesses and strengths and He makes intercessions for us daily before the Father.
He has also given us the Holy Spirit to Comfort us and Help us grow, shaping us through the Power of His Word and True Ministers into His image and likeness, according to our repentance, willingness and revelation of His love for us and for creation.

The New Covenant is a Covenant of the Spirit.
We do not simply walk by sight or dictates of the law. We can only truly know God's will according to the Holy Spirit and Word of God when we have been born of Water and Spirit.

Truly, Creation awaits the manifestation of the sons of God.
"For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now." Romans 8:19-22

Hiswordxray:
pressplay411
When you zoom in on the parts of a body, you will think all that exist is that part. For example, if you are laying on a table and I take a picture of you and zoom in on your hand so that the rest doesn't show in the picture. Anybody who looks at that picture would think the hand is all that there is. They would think someone cut a piece of hand on the the table.

If I continue like that take several parts of your body, zooming in only on those parts, cutting out the rest, then I will have scattered pictures of different parts of your body on a table. Yes, we would have individual scattered pieces and people would not know it is actually one body, one person. This is exactly how the Church is today. We have denominations and teachers who have zoom in one part of Christ, making it look as if that part is all there is.

But if I should stop zooming in, and I just take a picture of the whole of your body then people would finally see that it is one body with different parts. These various parts represented by different denominations and movements is actually one body, one person (Christ). These denominations and movements have been presenting a view of different parts to us, that is why we are so divided. But if only we have a view of the whole body, we will see how the different parts are actually joined together to form one body.

This is what I am trying to do in a course that I started. The course is titled Oneness With The Truth . There I am presenting an wholistic view of Christ, and I am demonstrating how the difference parts fit together into one body. My hope is that many Christians come to take this course and then our view will change.

Now, concerning practicing oneness as a body, we will need a structure that will allow such practice. And I have discovered a structure called the ecclesia, that would allow for the practice of unity and oneness in the midst of diversity. Ecclesia allows us to maintain our individual uniqueness and the diversity of the body, yet ensuring oneness and unity in the body of Christ.

I wrote more about this structure in a post here on Nairaland. This is the link:
https://www.nairaland.com/5650436/ecclesia-vs-church-system-better

This argument can be used to justify that all monotheistic religions are also just different parts of one body.
Which I don't believe you agree with.

JoeNL22:
See rubbish talk!.....but you can insult obi. A man without political structure. Don't worry. We will tell you that sane Nigerians through obi are the structure.

Does PO qualify as a Senior citizen in the political architecture of Nigeria?
On the contrary, he's the babe among the 4 major aspirants.

Though I don't subscribe to online bullying and mud-slinging, obidient online trolls make it difficult to support PO.

Nazgul:
The problem is people would still borrow money from them, then come online to cry victim. If everyone stopped patronizing them, they'll shut down. It's that simple.

If you run a loan coy or work in one, you'll understand why some of them go to this extent.
Though some of this is quite extreme.

A lot of Nigerians take loans without intention to pay back. And are serial borrowers taking loan from every new loan app that surfaces.

I used to work as a credit officer in an MFI, I can tell you what I faced. it was not a funny experience.

My advice, if you have no intention of paying back, then don't go and take loans. Loans are not charity or give-aways.
Cos people's jobs are on the line when people default on loans. And some coys end up folding up when their bad loans are too much, and run them bankrupt.

jesusjnr2020:
My beloved bro, though you may not know this but you're actually God-sent. It was God that brought you here Himself, because He's the One that sent me here and is backing me, not man.

Since the time I said I was praying for you sometime last year, I've not stopped. In fact I actually prayed for you today even though it's been over eight months since we last had any manner of conversation. And it's not long since I just concluded my prayers that I came here, and, lo and behold, there you were. Your situation exactly fits the idea of this thread, which is to especially handle matters that man has not been able to solve with medicine and science.

Now from what you said, I have a feeling that it's a demonic influence behind what you're experiencing, that's why it couldn't be traced by the doctors you saw. And it's just moments ago that God told me He'd given me authority over the demons, so I believe your case has already been settled because it wasn't meant for evil but for good, but God just wanted to use your case to glorify His Name in this thread.

Therefore you're already healed right now, and any thing behind your experience has been sent packing out of your body never to return anymore, in the Name of Jesus whose Words I rep here in Nairaland and elsewhere. Amen!

I await your testimony bro.

God bless.

Amen.
Nice to have you back bro. Thanks for the prayers.
By God's grace I hope to share my testimony soon.

jesusjnr2020:
Luke 4:14 (KJV)
And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

Matthew 4:23-24 (KJV)
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

I have been having loss of appetite a lot recently. The sight of food literally churns my stomach that I feel like throwing up.
I rarely eat, even when order some of my favorite meals.
I've seen two different doctors but still the same.
People have started complaining that I'm emaciating.
Please pray for me.

hoopernikao:
CORRECTING THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF CALLING JESUS AN ANGEL

CORRECTION 1: BIBLE EXPLICIT DETAILS AVAILABLE TO US DID NOT POINT TO JESUS DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY AS ANGEL.

Knowing fully well how God is a detailed being. Going by the scriptures, there are key things that the scriptures and God wouldnt have paraphrased or used lazily. For example, you will see doctrine or Faith, Righteousness, Salvation etc are well explicit and documented in the bible. These were so, so that we can have clarity.

Hence going by context of the scriptures, you cannot see any where to ascertain the doctrine of Jesus is Angel, any where. Those who claimed that have to robbed the scriptures to arrived at it.

See few bible usage of words related to Jesus below.

Jesus was referred to in many names in the scriptures, from savior, Christ, Son of Man, Son of God etc, but we cant see anywhere it included the name of an angel to represent him.

Basic name usage as per Jesus.

SON OF MAN: Used 16 times directly
CHRIST: 569 times
JESUS: 975 times
SON OF GOD: over 50 times
SAVIOR, LORD, PRINCE, MASTER, PASSOVER, REDEMPTION, OFFERING FOR SIN etc: Used over 300 times.
ANGEL: 0 times

Note: No single verse referred him to as angel. Not even indirectly or by error in both his divinity or humanity. NONE.


Usage of MICHAEL and ANGELS in Scriptures

MICHEAL: 5 times
ANGELS: 94 times.

In non of these were they referring to Jesus. NONE.

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Also see.

USAGE of the phrase "HIS ANGELS"

One of the claim of those advocating Jesus as angel or archangel is a context that placed him in the phrase "JESUS AND HIS ANGELS"

They claim, that means Jesus is an arch angel since he has angels. The deception in this is that such person subtly remove the fact that there are other personalities in the bible that were referred to in such phrase too.

Matt 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,


The advocate used this two scriptures to draw a point on Jesus has angels, Micheal has angels, then Jesus and Michael are the same. This is a grievous error from such people and it is also and insincere effort.

Note, the same Rev 12:7 said the dragon has his angels. We likewise have scriptures that spoke about God (his angels).

Ps 91:11 For h[/b]e shall give [b]his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

1 Corinthians 13:1 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

Revelation 3:5 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared


In the 3 Scriptures above, we see angels used as possession of God. This means other advocate can also push that since God has angels, and Jesus has angels, then Jesus is God, sadly, this is what the proponent of Jesus is angel dont want to hear.

Such interpretation is just our imagination, it is doctrinally false and erroneous.

We cannot established with the scriptures that Jesus is an angel and he is surely not. Hence it is an error to suggest such as doctrine.

I will give a follow up later on CORRECTION 2 (NO SCRIPTURE ON JESUS' APPEARANCE IN HIS SECOND COMING EVER CALLED HIM ANGEL BUT MOSTLY CALLED SON OF MAN) if required.

@Janosky, Maximus69, DappaD, Acehart, Rozz, MuttleyLaff, Myer, Goshen360

I intentionally avoided this discourse for the simple fact that it is one of those that I have termed inconclusive arguments.

While we can't find the mention of the trinity of God is the bible, yet it can be inferred. The same can be said of Jesus being Archangel Michael.

By definition the word Angel means a messenger from God.
And Archangel means the Primary messenger from God.

By inference the title and position would seem only suitable to the person of Jesus Christ.

I think DappaD has done justice with the scriptural references to support this.

However like other spiritual affairs, it is subject to personal revelation.

budaatum:
What you call "divided", I call God building up a people of power in knowledge and wisdom as we learn from one another and grow. For we are mere clay until the Infinitely Wise God breathes through our nostrils to make us human as is being done here.

The only issue is, some hold their nose so the breath of God does not enter. But it's their nose and they have the right to not be stunk up.

Almighty and everlasting God, who hast revealed thyself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and dost ever live and reign in the perfect unity of love: Grant that we may always hold firmly and joyfully to this faith, and, living in praise of thy divine majesty, may finally be one in thee; who art three persons in one God, world without end. Amen.

Happy Trinity Sunday!
The day we are stunk by the Holy Ghost!

Do you really believe this is part of Gods9plan in building his church (eclesia)?

Freestainworld:
judgement will surely start from the church, the church is so divided that we see ourselves differently if we don't fellowship in the same church, I had the experience when I wanted to settle with a particular lady, her parents insisted I join their church before they give in their consent, but trust me, I told them that is never gonna happen, you can't dictate to another man on how to live his life, you feel your decision is the best, that is the same way I feel about mine, long story short, never married the babe again, and God sent an angel who I am chilling with today.

This is very common especially in the orthodox churches. This is not common in pentecostals.

SouthNigerian:
Because Christianity is no longer living from its root.

Can you elaborate?

Like a lot of Nigerians, I was born into a Christian home but later personally rededicated myself to Christ.

It was a great experience for me personally choosing to follow Christ. I felt his love, the presence of the Holyspirit and so I decided to be discipled.

However, I realised that the body of Christ is divided, even as a local assembly where I worshipped.

Denominationalism is probably the greatest scourge of the church. I remember whenever we went for evangelism it was basically to get people to leave their church and start fellowshiping with us.
In fact you're not really a Christian until you fellowshiped with us.

I also joined a few interdenominational fellowships, most notably Discipleship classes by Bro Gbile.
In this fellowship I realised they condemned most church denominations.
If you've not been in their Discipleship class you're not yet a Christian.

I know of churches where they don't even allow marriages outside their denomination.

It makes me wonder how did we get here since God is not an author of confusion. We are supposed to be united if indeed we believe in the same Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:12-14
For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
For in fact the body is not one member but many.

This scripture makes me question what the body of Christ has become.

MuttleyLaff:
Gbam!

That is just an opinion, which is contradicted by other opinions in the commentary.
He claimed Angels made inaudible sounds, how then do we explain angels sing Holy Holy in heaven?
How them does Angel Gabriel deliver good tidings?

Another opinion in the commentary below contradicts that position and seems more plausible as it agrees with other scriptures.

i. In Paul’s day, many Jews believed angels had their own language, and by the Spirit, one could speak it. The reference to tongues of… angels shows that though the genuine gift of tongues is a legitimate language, it may not be a “living” human language, or may not be a human language at all. Apparently, there are angelic languages men can speak by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Bible Commentaries
Enduring Word.

1 Corinthians 13: 1-2

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

a. Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels: The Corinthians were enamored with spiritual gifts, particularly the gift of tongues. Paul reminds them even the gift of tongues is meaningless without love. Without love, a person may speak with the gift of tongues, but it is as meaningless as sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. It is nothing but empty noise.

i. “People of little religion are always noisy; he who has not the love of God and man filling his heart is like an empty wagon coming violently down a hill: it makes a great noise, because there is nothing in it.” (Josiah Gregory, cited in Clarke)

b. Tongues of men and of angels: The ancient Greek word translated tongues has the simple idea of “languages” in some places (Acts 2:11 and Revelation 5:9). This has led some to say the gift of tongues is simply the ability to communicate the gospel in other languages, or it is the capability of learning languages quickly. But the way tongues is used here shows it can, and usually does, refer to a supernatural language by which a believer communicates to God. There is no other way to understand the reference to tongues of… angels.

i. In Paul’s day, many Jews believed angels had their own language, and by the Spirit, one could speak it. The reference to tongues of… angels shows that though the genuine gift of tongues is a legitimate language, it may not be a “living” human language, or may not be a human language at all. Apparently, there are angelic languages men can speak by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

ii. Poole has a fascinating comment, suggesting that the tongues of… angelsdescribes how God may speak to us in a non-verbal way: “Angels have no tongues, nor make any articulate audible sounds, by which they understand one another; but yet there is certainly a society or intercourse among angels, which could not be upheld without some way amongst them to communicate their minds and wills to each other. How this is we cannot tell: some of the schoolmen say, it is by way of impression: that way God, indeed, communicates his mind sometimes to his people, making secret impressions of his will upon their minds and understandings.”

madridsta007:
Stop being silly.
The only region who have been vocal and have the history of being involved in seperation is the Old Eastern Nigeria of which the SE is a main component.
Of course you know this. Wonder what this silliness is for?

No one is talking about history here. Secession favoured SE then in the 60s/70s when the SS was part of your plan. Today you've managed to ostracize yourselves by creating enemies with every other tribe because of your arrogance and duplicity..

Besides most of your businesses are in the West because you'abandoned your arid lands for greener pastures.
Why do you think it's only broke Igbos pushing for division?
You don't know the half. Let Kanu keep gasing you while enriching himself.

Jakumo:
The Chinese wish to annex and own the entire African continent, because Africa has what the greedy Chinese need, namely land to house their population that breeds like cockroaches despite the tiny bedroom tackle of the Chinese male, along with natural resources such as timber, gold, crude oil and diamonds, to feed the insatiable, addictive greed of the Chinese.

To that end, the Chinese feel they need to exterminate most the black Africans that they hate so much, while enslaving the rest, whose land they expect to grab by offering loan-shark cash to corrupt African leaders, in the hopes of owning entire nations via such debt traps, forgetting that in the final analysis, the Chinese could STILL be booted unceremoniously out of Africa, and advised to collect their bad-faith bogus loans from the bank account of the heads of state that took those insulting bribes in the first place.

To any Chinese nationals residing in Africa, please be aware that you are hated with a passion, and that you will be killed for ritual sacrifice the instant your security detail drops their guard. The only good Chinese invader to Africa, is a dead one, and in good time, when the African continent fully awakens to the cancer that is this insidious Chinese invasion, Chinese nationals will be hunted down and shot for pure entertainment, until the very last of those vermin phucks off back to their polluted, wasted land of China, where they belong, and where they will rot.

Chinese parasites OUT of Africa TODAY !

You're worse than KKK.

JasonJidenna:
When the better South speak, our South West neighbors joins our oppressors to call us "5%" because their brother is the second in command.

What would you want us to do?

How can anyone take you serious with this level of your self delusion.
Only you "Better South", Jews, etc.

Honestly, everyone knows the SW is fine with division and both SE and North don't want division. Your shout for Biafra secession is only audio cry for attention.

Unfortunately the wise few from SE have to suffer because of the foolish majority.

quentin06:
Hmm Mubarak is an Arabic name, so he is Muslim.

Interestingly in this season of Islamic fast, they greet themselves Ramadan Mubarak, meaning blessed fasting.
You have to love the irony.

Flyingngel:
Ganduje is either looking for 15b or he is a religious bigot.
I don't know why Southern part of Nigeria shld not be separated from this religious extremist.

When Lagos did the same 10am-2pm you did not complain. It's for food restocking not for social gathering.

Maximus69:
You have tried but learn how to apply God's word in a practical sense.

BELIEVE connotes TRUST, meaning those who believe in someone or something must display a level of trust in whom/what they believe. James 2:18-26

It's not about lips service {Matthew 15:8} if you believe in someone or something people around you should see how your Faith is working.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses have a Faith that is working out the nine qualities of God's holy spirit in their midst! Galatians 5:22-23 compare to Matthew 7:15-20

So whose form of worship is denying the power of God's holy spirit in the practical sense? Those whose form of worship is producing the fruit or those whose form of worship is bearing no fine fruit?

@ Hebrew 4:12 Apostles Paul said the word of God is powerful enough to change your mind and that's the only way to improve your personality! Ephesians 4:24

This is a very impractical claim. How can you say only JW bear the fruit of the spirit?
That's very laughable. I'm speechless at this point.
Even the missionaries that spread the gospel to this part of the world won't denominationalize the fruit of the spirit.

TATIME:
At least he is able to discern that the fruit is what Paul listed in the Bible book of Galatians 5:22-23
And he is able to apply it to what he is seeing amongst Jehovah's Witnesses!
I think that's commendable!

From what I have observed about JW from my interactions with them, they have a vast knowledge of the bible. But they are not spiritual.
And we know through scriptures that the letter kills, it's the spirit that gives life.

Because they even deny the person of the Holyspirit who is the Power of God, calling him a force instead of a Person.

2 Timothy 3:5
Having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

Without the Holyspirit, you are religious and do not have the eternal life of Christ.

IkpuNnegiEwu44:
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Between Hausa and other tribes, who has been oppressing who? Stop the Blasphemy!

God's hand cannot be in this contraption joined by useless Lugard.

The fact remains that Hausa are more tribalistic and religious bigot than other Nigerians. Even this present Govt has been oppressing a particular tribe, so if they react back, u call it oppression of Hausa?

Speak d truth and shame d Devil. IBB and Abacha dealt with Yorubas. Tell me how the ppl that have power for over 40yrs are the oppressed?

You still don't understand.
You oppress the average Hausa, so God gave you up to be oppressed by them as your leaders.
You can keep blaming Luggard, but when God works, he uses man.

Froshloaded:
Man Seen Removing And Dumping His Personal Protective Equipment After Abba Kyaris Burial at Gudu cementry, Abuja


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKgotRoaUo8

What do you think??
If an innocent person get in contact with this material, they might get infected


Kayode Ogundamisi reacting to the video wrote:


https://mobile.twitter.com/ogundamisi/status/1251537887511928832

After listening to the recorder of this video and some comments on here, I can see why God has exalted Hausas above every other tribe in Nigeria. And they'll continue to rule us if we don't change our ways

Nigerians complain of discrimination abroad. How the whites and Chinese are racist and South Africans are xenophobic. But guess what, we are the worst. Even among our own fellow Nigerians, we discriminate in the worst way.
The way igbos and yorubas are so tribalistic towards Hausas is worse than any N-word ever used against a black man in America or any stunt pulled by the KKK back in the day or worse any police brutality against blacks. The name calling and animal labelling is cringe-worthy. Why?

We need to change and start making the change immediately. A generation no doubt passed this onto us, we can't afford to pass it on to the coming generations.

Please, respect every human being regardless of tribe.
I still maintain that Hausas are ruling is in Nigeria because God always has a way of standing up for the oppressed.

God bless Nigeria.

Bluethong1:
Good morning bro/sis.


Please I just want to make this brief. I have this girl I have been dating for 2years now. She is black bold and endowed behind.

But lately she has been getting fat excessively and I'm planning to wife her. But right now I'm scared she might get worst when she start having kids for me.

I don't want to offend her. Please how do I tell her to loose some fat without hurting her?

She is the type that manipulate things and I don't want it to seems like I'm getting tired of her of trying to quit or body shaming her.

Please your advice is needed.

Thank you.

You'll be surprised she's aware of it too. So just mention it in your next talk. Blame her recent weight gain on the lockdown.lol

Janosky:
Hhmmm...

Sir , you have no response to the question I asked you?

I don't know why you claimed Jesus implied he is the Son of God....
In the holy Scriptures Jesus speaks for himself....

John 10:36 American Standard Version (ASV)
"36 say ye of him, whom the Father [a]sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"

Footnotes:
John 10:36 Or, consecrated



John 19:7 American Standard Version (ASV)
"7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by that law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God."

Shalom

Ok, thanks for pointing that out, probably the only place he mentioned it, but he still asked it as a question. But like I said, he always referred to himself as Son of Man.
It was his way of both hiding his identity and also so that the devil not know Gods plan.

Janosky:
John5:18, Jesus Christ NEVER implied it in that verse or anywhere else !
The Jews made a DUBIOUS,unfounded claim in John 5:18. Let me ask you:
If Pressplay411 calls God his Father,do you mean you are equal to God ?
John10:36. John 19:6-7, please read and study both verses. Shine your eyes.

Jesus Christ emphatically said he is the Son of God everywhere in the holy Scriptures.
John 17:3. John 20:17,30-31. Matt16:13-17.
Shalom.

The verses you referenced were implied. He did not refer to himself as Son of God but always as Son of Man.
My point is not to disprove that he's the son of God but to point out a pattern. That the same way he never referred to himself as the son of God, he likewise never referred to himself as God. But both were implied.
It's up to anyone to decide for himself.

It however doesn't stop you from accessing his Grace as even those who only saw him as the son of David were healed.

Native101:
Threads like these are an embarrassment to Christians. Just stop with all these nonsense of "this man of God prophesied this in so so year" already. What does that fvckjng solve at this point?

Mtcheew! I didn't even check the name of the OP until now. I am NOT surprised !

You took the words right out of my thumbs.lol

Maximus69:
Please who said what was written in the Bible book of John 3:16, 5:17

As for Revelations there were many spirit sons of God who also revealed themselves as God even angels spoke as if they are God!
But Jesus never for once said "I am God"

If you have any text that says so please present it!

Ok, he implied it. But never said it.
That's because he knew it would generate the reaction you saw in John 5:18

Of course you can't see where Jesus said He is God. Just as you can't see where he said he's the son of God.
But both are implied in different verses of the scriptures.

Janosky:
Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is a God. NOT Almighty God.
1 Cor 8:5-6, Psalms 82:1,6. Man is a God.
John 17:3, who is the ONLY TRUE God?

1 Tim 3:16 KJV is a FORGERY.
Compare KJV & other Bibles , you will observe a glaring difference... (Assignment for you)

See other PROOF:

I see why 1 Timothy 3:16 can be interpreted in different ways.
In the verse, .."God was manifest"...the pronoun "He" was manifest" was used in other bible translations.

So that leaves room for conflicting interpretations.

But where the bible refers to man as god, clearly we see the difference.
We were created to be gods, but fell. Which is why we die like mere men.

But when the bible refers to Jesus as God, it is capitalized just as Yahweh.
This too however is an open argument.

That Jesus is God can only best be explained when we understand that God is Spirit, not a physical entity.
Jesus is the physical expression of God for the sole achievement of the redemption of the fallen man.

Maximus69:
Why do you live out the PRINCE of peace?
Have you ever heard of a prince without a father who is the King?

Well the verse said he will be called, meaning he will earn those titles!

Mighty God indicates that he should not be referred to as the Almighty God !

And Everlasting Father means he is coming to replace Adam who supposed to be the father of all humans but is now dead and DEAD for ever. That's why God's word also referred to Jesus as the last Adam! 1Corinthians 15:45

Jesus was here as a representative of God so whoever has seen him is like seeing God's qualities that we supposed to have learnt from Adam (our real father), Jesus as our foster father has come to teach us all the qualities of our Grandfather (God).

So all those who fails to adopt Jesus as their foster father still want to continue living as children of Adam, and since Adam is dead, all his children are supposed to be dead as well! Romans 5:12 compare to John 3:16

That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you're quoting!

I did not leave out prince of peace as you can see it is well included in the verse, I only emboldened the part that refers to the son as God.

Do you know that Jesus never referred to himself as the son of God? But rather as the son of man?
Why? Because as at then, it wasn't only blasphemous but would make no sense to the Jewish people.

But to his disciples, he first revealed himself as the Son of God. Then much later before his betrayal, he revealed himself as God.

Do you disagree with this?

Maximus69:
It's difficult to change the TRUTH!

You Churchgoers are lazy, so instead of doing a thorough research on what you were taught {Act 17:11} you just swallow like pap, then when you come in contact with a fervent student you start arguing blindly!

Well there are portions that were smuggled into the Bible by a committee that compiled the 66 books in the second century.

But today, thanks to honest hearted and sincere researchers who have helped in unraveling all the secrets, if you want to be sure of what is or is not part of the Bible, go get yourself any other version of the Bible apart from the King James Version (KJV), check all those verses that's missing in the New Word Translation (NWT of the Watchtower) then come back with your futile arguments!

Seems you're right. It wasn't in the original text.
But there are still other verses that portray that Jesus is God.

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor,  Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Nezero:
The explanation you give any part of the Bible should correlate with other parts.


Don't interpret in isolation. Jesus himself said who he is. He prayed to God. He died. He was sent.


You are free to believe whatever you want, but Jesus has a warning for anyone who stumbles others.

Matthew 18:16
"If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

People's lives depend on what they believe. Everyone will be responsible for his own beliefs. Just as the serpent deceived Eve. Eve wasn't spared the consequences.

There are scriptures that confirm that Jesus is God though, both in the Old and new testaments.

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.