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Jeromejnr:
To show that man never knew how to eat meat before Noah's time,in Gen 9:4. God teaches his family how to eat animal meat as he instructs them not to eat the blood that comes with it. If they ate meat before, would they have needed that instruction.

Now read this:
"Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

4“But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it."

take note of that bolded.

Read this article also on the issue: Take note of bolded.

"In Genesis 9 Noah receives a covenant from the Lord. Part of the covenant removed the prior restrictions against eating meat, allowing Noah and his family to kill animals for food. However, the allowance came with this proviso: “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it” (verse 4)." http://www.gotquestions.org/eating-meat-with-blood.html



Don't use modern day English to define the word beast in the Hebrew language.

This is the meaning of the word beast used in that scripture:

beast
chay (khah'-ee)
age, alive, appetite, beast, company, congregation, life(-time), live(-ly), living (creature, thing), maintenance, + merry, multitude, + (be) old, quick, raw, running, springing, troop.

BTW,not all translations use the word "wild beast". So yes a translator can be wrong in presenting the message as it is. There are many proofs online do a research.


Now read this to show shedding of blood was never allowed among beasts in the garden.

Genesis 9: But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being"

God said He will demand an account of all blood shed including from animals. Well, lets rethink. Why will he demand an account from animals if to shed blood in the garden was His original purpose?

I think I have made much of my point.

you are on point sir.

Now i referred my question to jesica (op)

let her answer my question.

Jessicha:
If they partook of the sin , that make them sinners . You mean animals are sinners too ?

Good, i will also like to ask you a question.

were Adam and Eve commanded to eat the animals for food when they were still in the garden? If no, why? and if your answer is yes, pls can you explain with reference from the bible.


Thank you.

bxcode:
That's not who God is, it's religion that has succeeded in painting God like that. It's a pity and I don't for once blame anyone who dosent believe in God after hearing all these stuffs about rules and regulation one has to keep or else God strikes you, atheists are bolder than Christians in this aspect because they make more sense than most Christians who dosent even know the true nature of God. If ihadn't known this truth about God, you tell me that i need to worship someone who will strike me anytime i don't live up to his standard, i wouldn't want to do anything with that thing no matter what i will gain from him. But that's not who God is truly, he is not an angry God or a wicked or mean God as 99.99% of most religious doctrines teaches today. How I wish I can have a platform to let share with people on the true nature of God. God is a good God.
Op, there could be thousand and one thing that could be preventing your already answered prayers from manifesting from the spiritual realm to the physical realm. I don't know where to start from but you we can talk if you feel like cost all on me.... just let me know if your mind is free to that effect.

bxcode. pls could you share some of these true nature of God here?

I will be interested to know them.
Or still send me an email. gnwaneri@ymail.com

Thank you.

Yea, animals dies simply because they also partook of the sin of Adam.
Or did you think that Adam were eating those animals in the garden?







Check my thread, will animals also make it to paradise?

However the bible also made me to understand that, there are some special people living among us that God is personally involved and also responsible for their coming. e.g, Jesus, John the baptist, Jeremiah, Samson, Samuel, moses, Isaac.

You can check about their conception,

even Adam, to be mentioned but a few. Their accounts really shows that God is directly responsible for their coming into this world, and they also have one impact and the others.


And they were all a blessing to us. PROV; 10:22, Which says the blessing of the lord maketh rich and added no sorrow.


Now these evil ones causing sorrow in our midst, is God also responsible for their coming?


I really want us to discuse about these.

I have read all the comments here. Almost everybody are in support of these dislike button.

Over to Seun.







Are you for us or against us?

SeverusSnape:
Shock what?... Even if an opinion poll is carried out today, Most Nairalanders won't vote in favour of a dislike button.

But i myself am in support of it.






Shall we proceed on the voting?

Flets:
Some months back, Buhari and his APC condemned this same negotioation by the Ex-government
Few days back, Defence headquarters claimed they eliminated Bokoharam
Last week, Buhari said Chibok girls have been married out to Bokoharam members
There is no greater level of inconsistency and hypocrisy as this

Which girls are they negotiating for?.... the already married out ones?
Who are they negotiating with and where are they located as we've been informed that all BH camps have been dislodged?
Is Buhari negotiating from a position of strength or weakness?

And now... we are negotiating with terrorists. If only people are aware of what is going on in this country under APC.
The target end to all this is amnesty to some terrorists while some girls will be revealed as Chibok girls

If they show you the chibok girls will you be able identify them?

JMAN05:
Why?

Hmmmm.. Prov ; 10, 22 says the blessing of the lord maketh rich and added no sorrow.

Why is it that all these evil people are giving a lots of sorrow to their parent and to the society at large?

TrajansKong:
Correct. They must burn forever on endless lakes of flame. So it is written, so it shall be done. Our God is a mighty God - a jealous, angry Lord of Hosts. There is no pity after death. Just judgement. God's judgement is harsh. Fear him, obey him, worship him that your voice may also be lifted in His eternal praise, not racked in anguish fore'er in the brotherhood of lost souls...

You must be a very wicked person.

Boko haram are far better than you.

quote me anywhere.

JMAN05:
God is said to be the giver of child and the creator of each of us cos He made the first man and woman and created humans in a way that allows for childbirth. However, God is not involved in every case of child birth. He has already created the process, so He receives praise for it.

There are some cases God gets involve to open a barren womb.

Thank you for your contribution.

But am not satisfy.....

I knew many women who visited an herbalist, native doctors, witch doctors, in search of babies or the fruit of the womb.
And these people will have canal knowledge with them and they will conceive bear children.

While some women will sleep with a man who is not their husband, will also conceive and deliver the baby.

Is it not possible for God to nullify, neutralized, or eliminate their seamen when it is about to formed a baby? Since he knows that both of them have committed an abomination.



On another account, when David committed adultery with Uria's wife
the woman conceived and bear a child but
the bible recorded that God kill the baby.

does it not supposed to be prevented earlier from the womb when it has not yet formed?


Somebody like shekau, binladen, Hitler and many others are supposed to be prevented or abolished from the womb.




So these and many more makes me curious to know if God is truly responsible for child bearing.

tpiander:
why not suggest adoption.

lord have mercy.

Yes, i have actually tried that, then, but she frowned at it. She doesn't like the suggestion at all.

But right now she doesn't have the capacity to do so, because of cash.

Madam lecturer, why don't you point them out?








Is it a must to comment?

I have my reasons for asking these question.


And i passed through hell when my wife is about to deliver, we tried what we could to make sure my wife delivered successfully but at the end of day we ended up doing c.s which cost me 140,000. excluding other things which i did not included. And these is a man that earns 25,000 on monthly salary.


I knows how i cough out these money.



Anyway i was actually greatfull for everything as he saw me through.God is my witness.


I have a niece who have marry for 25 years now and have done almost everything humanly possible to make sure she conceive but all to no avail. And she is ready to spent any amount of money to make sure she is pregnant. I myself have also taken her to many places but finally give up. And age is no longer smiling with her.


Even now one is in my former church who has spent almost 20 years to get one and yet nothing is coming out of it. And now she has stop coming to church.



But what baffled me now most, that even warranted these question was the fact that a girl who is still in the secondary are getting pregnant, and will later born the child who does not even need it. Most will even abort them.


And what about the mad women on the road, they will also get pregnant and bear children.
While armed robbers, rapist, ritualist and boko haram victims are not left out.



Don't even talk about the harlots, theirs, is on daily bases. While most throws theirs into the dust bin and canners.


I knows how many i saw in the canner on my way to work who is not dead yet, with people watching with amazement.



Please let us be sincere here, is it God that is given them all those children and for what puppose?




Am very curious about these.

Matured mind pls.



Thank you.

These ones are irrelevant. They could be actually saying the same thing. my wife gave, i gave or we gave. What actually matters is something has been given out.


Op is trying to look for something where there is notting.



because i know you are trying to say they contradicted themselves.

kandiikane:
It's his arrogance that even got to me. If it was me personally, I would have told him way before, the day you bring a rubbish ring for me, my answer will be no. It's either a ring I like or no ring. If society wants me to be a slave to you I might as well get the best dang ring to show for it.

You re a female, while are you pretending to be a male tru ur moniker? though, you definitely sound like a woman. quote me anywhere.

Everybody can not work as a pastor. It is only pastors, deacons and bishop were advised not to marry more than one wife. @op if the said lady is desperate in getting married, pls let her marry whosoever she wanted to marry. after all Jesus said to those Jews that there is no marriage, husband and wife in heaven but we shall be like Angel of God.


That woman knows her right. She knows what is good and what is bad. And right now she is desperately in need of a husband.

So even if you tell her not to go, she has already decided in her mind on what to do. quote me anywhere.

Pls allow her to continue.



A man can marry as many wives as possible but a woman can only marry one man.

Her happiness should be your utter most priority don't be too religious about it.



All those shouting born again born again, it is easier said than done.



NOTE THIS, IF SHE WILL BE CONFORTABLE AND SECURE IN THAT MARRIAGE PLS LET HER REMAIN THERE. AFTER ALL THAT'S WHAT WE ALL NEED IN MARRIAGE.



God does not have problem with Solomon marrying many women, but he has problem with him when his wife began to mislead him into idolatry.



That's what i have for you.

permsec:
I'm not more than 35 years as required by the constitution. thanks

Then why don't keep your mouth shut, until you are up to the constitutional age.

permsec:
The lady above has said it all. what an intelligent and articulate response.


Let them keep defending PMB in all his actions. Hypocrites!

Will you come and contest for presidential election in 2019?



Lets see how competent you are.







WAILING WAILERS.

I used to think that nairaland is a place where we can meet some intelligent people.

Contracts has been awarded since years back, now the same contracts was abandoned since last year because of lack of fund, yet somebody here is putting the blames on Buhari who has just resumed office. Is that not madness?


Who awarded those contracts and what happened to the money given to them


THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS BEGGING FOR ANSWER.


Or is it what hatred has reduced us to?

But buhari did the same, we coundnt hear word. until he made it publuc.
The pdp governors should also follow suit.

MarvellousGod:
A human being can't be classified as an asset because he/she can't be exchanged for money....

That shows how educated he is, huuuh? Senator indeed

Thats depends on what you mean by asset and how you defined it.


My child can mean my asset.

Truckpusher:
Fake story and propaganda for dumb gullible people - How can you punish a bribe taker and set free the bribe giver ,in the eyes of the law they are all as guilty as hell.Though I'm sure that this kind of tales by moonlight was meant for the 'change' chanting zombies.

Yeye dey smell.

So for your eye now you don talk beta tin?

And you failed to read where it said, the president have ordered the (sss) security attached to aso rock villa to thoroughly investigate the scam.

Continue.

Can a molten tell the molder why did you mode me this way?


















Go and read the book of Ezekiel. Thank you.

PastorOsamede:
You haven't understood me. Oyedepo's incident you referred to is not new and very minor. Here we are looking at time and attention. Why did Benny Hinn's marriage collapse sometime in the past? He would later admit that he shut out his wife and children from his life while travelling from place to place ministering.

JESUS is first no doubt. But I don't believe that HE would be happy if a preacher's actions directly ruin his home, destroy his reputation and damage GOD'S image.
Those Scriptures I quote are very necessary for success in Christian ministry.

If benihin or what do you called his name is a truly servant of God, there is no way God could allowed his marriage to crumbled.

Unless something is wrong somewhere.



THIS IS THE WEAPON THE DEVIL IS USING TO PULL AN ANOINTED MEN OF GOD DOWN.




And if you think other wise. Pls continue.

AikayDaWrapper:
I'm just saying their time lines are different.

Luke says that Pilate sent Jesus to Herod and Herod and his soldiers humiliated Jesus before sending him back. The others bible chapters don't say this.

One of them (can't remember which) says Jesus was questioned by the pharisees during the daytime while the others say it was at night.

If you ask me the death of Jesus was a conspiracy between Pilate and Herod. Read Luke Chap 23 verse 12: "And the same day Pilate and Herod where made friends together: for before there were an enmity between themselves".

If you read the records the Romans kept about the generals they sent to govern Isreal it states that Pilate was one of the meanest men to Govern Isreal. He was a military man and committed some atrocious acts while he was in charge. Why did the disciples try paint him as a kind soft man. I think politics was involved.

But most importantly why did the other gospels refuse to put the fact that Jesus was sent to Herod by Pilate. Only Luke did. IMO that was a very important event that was acknowledged by only one gospel.

If you ask me Jesus was growing in influence and the people were already calling him King of the Jews. Pilate got scared. Herod got scared. They both formulated a plan to kill him.

Then that is not a contradiction.
pls what is contradiction? that where the problem lies.


If you were ten in number, and i tell a story if i should ask ten of to repeat that same story exactly as i said it. Believe me all of you will definitely omit one thing or the other. true or false? but you will all arrive at a particular points. And will agree the same thing, thats not a contradiction.








The most important is thing is that the disciples of Jesus tell us a story about Jesus.

HOW HE CAME INTO THE WORD TO SAVE MAN FROM THEIR SIN.

HOW HE DIED AND RESURRECTED, AND FINALLY ASCENDED TO HEAVEN.


NOW DOES THESE PEOPLE AGREED IN ONE THING OR ARE THEY SAYING A DIFFERENT THINGS? THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING EVERYBODY SHOULD UNDERSTAND.

AikayDaWrapper:
I'm not taking any sides here.

I'm looking at things from a neutral perspective.

I'm just exposing some flaws and contradictions in Christian mythology. If you check the Bible even the stories on Christ's crucifixion do not tally up in Mathew, Mark, Luke and John

So does mark confessed that Jesus died while luke says otherwise?
do they not agree in one thing? so what actually is the contradiction there?



just curious.

PastorOsamede:
"And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life" (Matthew 19:29).
From the Scripture above you can perceive that it is pure wisdom and marriage commonsense that a preacher marries someone who is directly relevant to his calling. Obviously the spouse feels detached from the ministry of her hubby.

But I think the preacher should also ponder on this Scripture below:
"For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?" (1 Timothy 3:5).
His home is his first ministry. Prophet Eli of the Old Testament incurred shame and tragedy simply because he overlooked his "daddy" role to his family.

You see,do you no why i mentioned bishop oyedepo in my earlier post.?


We don't actually know who we are serving.

From that very scripture you just posted. Mathew, 19;29.
There is also another verse where Jesus made it clear that if you can not do those things mentioned above you can not be my disciple.

There was a time oyedepo was preparing for a service in his church, and was told that his wife was very sick and has been hospitalised, instead of him rushing to were his wife was, he choose go ahead with the service. Now before the end of the service he was told that God had healed his wife miraculously. I am not a member of winner chapel But he gave us this testimony on one of his sermon, when i visited.


Many pastors had failed in their callings, while most of them have bigger problem because they choose their spouse first before God.






Even apostle paul whom they re quoting can never ask you to choose your spouse first.
He love God so much thats why he chooses not to marry, don't you know that if he was around now will he have choose his wife first.



Mount Zion film which that man was even talking about is just an imagination it is not real. I have also also watched it before.


When you choose God first, he will also make sure that your marriage does not crumble.



That's why you should never marry a Jezebel as a wife, even as a minister of God.

Otherwise they will help you to fold that your ministry. because their mission is to control your ministry and pull it down. Am talking from experience


Many men of God had abandoned God and began to worship their wives and God will also abandon them.


PLEASE IF GOD TRULY CALLED YOU, MAKE SURE YOU ABANDONED EVERY OTHER THING AND TAKE HIM FIRST.

THEN HE WILL SURELY CAUSE EVERY OTHER THINGS TO RUN AFTER YOU.


PROV:4,7. WISDOM IS THE PRINCIPAL THINGS.......

YOU IT IN YOUR MINISTRY.

altamaurice:
I quite agree with you to a great extent though I do not disapprove of a female pastor or teacher...what am saying is heading a church, running the affairs of the church....to that I say a very Big No....take one bottle of orijin...

Fine, you can not be better than paul that gave those instruction.

Paul did not condemned women in participating in the things of God, but they were not permitted to be in charge of authority.


Every woman read that part where apostle paul gave that warning , but they decided to ignore it because of pride.


Mary was the mother of Jesus but she still respect and worship Jesus.


When Jesus started his ministry how many women did he called be his disciples? or where their not good and honest women then? Or do you think he doesn't know what he was doing?


Can you imagine someone asking a question here, that between wife and ministry which one is more important or to be taken first.


That's how low we have been reduced to, and it is very pathetic.


Yes lets me repeat myself, woman can also receive a gifts, eg. prophesy and Evangelist, speaking in tongues they can even teach but the gift of pastor and apostle are no go area for them. God is not a God of confusion.
I repeat those ones are no no no for them, holyspirit give these gifts according to who we are.


my wife is also an evangelist, we were ordained in the same day. women among us were ordained as deaconess, evangelist, and prophetess.
While the men among us were ordained as pastors, deacon and evangelist.


few more later one of the pastor were now ordained as apostle. That's how it suppose to be.


Now what some women do is to enroll in bible schools and some of them will be ordain as pastors their, while some general overseas will ordained their wives as pastor to make them happy.

So if the g.o is not around his wife will take over the pulpit.

While others will be looking for a space or better still build their own churches and become the G.o of their church.


They were everywhere but this is not biblical.


one orijin for you too.




But lets i forget, nobody is saying that women are slave or should not be respected, but no body should also disrespect the word of God in other to honour women.



We must love the Lord our God with all our might, mind, heart and with all our strengths.

bonechamberlain:
Lord have mercy, when would this country look elsewhere and stop all these jubilation about anything that involves America.

But if the news reads, boko haram has bomb this state and 44 dead, you will be jubilating. Shame on you.

You see, you have asked a very controversial question.



And having know this, is the reason why we are having problem in our ministry.



You must choose between one.

either Jesus or your wife, is like trying to make a choice between to ladies.



Bishop Oyedepo told his wife frantically that his God is his first choice at the beginning of their relationship.
And that he can not joke with him.

And they have an agreement before going into marriage. And the woman accepted the offer.


And God also make Oyedepo to understand that if he decided to take such decision, then as long as he God live no principality, or power will pull him down.



Now take it or leave it if every pastor fall bishop Oyedepo will never fall.

And God also love this woman greatly for allowing her husband to concentrate wholly on him, and therefore promised that their marriage will never crumble.













YOU CAN NOT DECEIVE GOD.

One must be more important than the other.


Therefore if you choose your wife as more important, then know you fully that you are building your house on a faulty foundation.(sand)