₦airaland Forum

HigherEd:
Did anybody force anybody to give towards universities. Or did any church promise free education before starting a university project. If you are not willing to support the church university then don't give.

Make them also stop collecting money from people they intend to disenfranchise at the end of the dat using the name of God.

Junior66:
You make sense oga. What I think we should be debating is whether churches should go into that sector or not because there do not make any profit there, in fact all church universities in Nigeria are a drain on the resources of the church contrary to the general belief that they make profits. In my opinion, churches should concentrate on some these things you listed. They touch people more than any university can.

Thank you. Correct man there.

CodeTemplar:
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Stop sniffing dust you no gree. See as your mumu show there.

lawkenoz:
say no more brother, you've capped it all. These sheeple know the truth, but like brainwashed people, they suffer from cognitive dissonance. They know what the church of Christ stands for or rather should stand for, but too caught up in defending the bloody GOs.

If their main aim was contributing solely to society and helping the needy, we would see projects that are conspicuous and undebatable. instead all we hear of those type of good works are whispers and rumours. Church branches littered everywhere instead of NGOs and meaningful things.

Give me a church that improves the lives of the people both physically and spiritually, I would walk miles to attend it.

When i read this post i thought i was the one who wrote it. You wrote my mind. Following you right away.

lawkenoz:
say no more brother, you've capped it all. These sheeple know the truth, but like brainwashed people, they suffer from cognitive dissonance. They know what the church of Christ stands for or rather should stand for, but too caught up in defending the bloody GOs.

If their main aim was contributing solely to society and helping the needy, we would see projects that are conspicuous and undebatable. instead all we hear of those type of good works are whispers and rumours. Church branches littered everywhere instead of NGOs and meaningful things.

Give me a church that improves the lives of the people both physically and spiritually, I would walk miles to attend it.

When i read this post i thought i was the one who wrote it. You wrote my mind. Following you right.

CodeTemplar:
If A and B contribute to build who contributes to run the school. By that I mean who contributes to fuel the school plant, to pay lecturers, to buy equipments, to fund research, to stock the library, maintain the hostels?

Please I like to hear a detailed answer to this important question.

Should it be offering, the beneficiaries, philanthropists, partners or should the school separate the rich and charge them higher.

Are you insinuating the church dont take offering from the poor and channel to those?

Well here is a good reply for you from Dolby. Read it slowly and carefully thrice for it can teach you moral sensitivity:


Alot of people have digressed from the point here but it's ok. Everyone wants to talk.

Is good upbringing and godly devotion meant for "the few poor but intelligent ones who can pass scholarships"?
Is Christ teachings meant for only class who can pay high fees??

The church shouldn't have set up institutions that can only be available to a select few in the society. Institutions that further widen the gap between the rich and the poor shouldn't have any place within the church.

My grandma was quite poor, her English wasn't so good coz it was tainted with Yoruba accent but her writing is so beautiful ! She writes in cursives! She went to a missionary school and paid close to nothing.

Think about it: If the Temple/Synagogue in Jesus time had a University and Peter and Luke were to write scholarship exams, who do you think would have gotten scholarship to study medicine? The system might have pronounced Peter a dullard and Luke as intelligent. Churces should think about Jesus first in all dealings.

They should build primary and secondary school that are still quite easier to manage and make it available to the masses. University education isn't the pinacle of success.

AlphaMajestic:
lwkm.."immoral discrimination"..are u lawyer?? is there like any law against dis horrible crime...like legally in our system.. dats stuff sounded really funny

Lol. I was trying to properly qualify the act of shenanigans who are trying to project what they are doing on people even to the point of narcissism towards those who call out their immorality.

darkelf:
God bless you sir. My points exactly.

Now, if these churches feel that our federal and state universities aren't up to par. It would've been smarter for them to at least make quarterly donations to these schools in terms of equipments, transport shuttles, conducive hostels and so on. I tell you brother, they would've achieved their goal of providing sound education to members without the associated controversies of high cost of school fees. But no.

Is it that they didn't factor everything before establishing their steep-priced universities? Or, they were blinded by greed to even think at all?

The Bible says that judgement will begin from his house. It was said that Robin hood stole from the rich to give to the poor but our religious private universities seem to be doing the opposite. Is this really fair?

To the defenders of these so called religious higher institutions, think about this deeply. Would Jesus have established a university where the majority couldn't afford? If he were here on Earth now, would he happily endorse such daylight thievery? Are we as Christian's not admonished to follow in the footsteps of Christ?

I rest my case.

Exactly what i was telling one herd thinker before.

slydog:
Lol, come to think about it, did A and B contribute equally?

Ask Jesus in the widows mite parody. You unchristly minded worldly thinking minded Christian claimer.

AlphaMajestic:
look at wat ur saying..the rich Nd d poor funded d building..d only reason d Church shud bring d poor into a partnership shd be cos of d poor ..the rich has it all..dey can decide to school anywhr dey like...then after completion wether standard or substandard.. only the rich will end up schooling there...

dnt u av shame..u Nd dis ur mermaid husband drayzee or waheva his name is...we r spose to be fighting for equal rights in government... not churches

They really have an important part of their brain fried by constant brainwashing or are beneficiaries of the flawed system. Imagine how she is choking herself by herself with illogical analogy.

So A and B contributes to build then after the cost of schooling is placed so high that only A can afford it makes sense to that chaff brain and her GO? If this people were the ones Jesus handed over christainity to , their selfishness, senseless and inhumane minds would have destroyed the religion or unleashed a fuxked version on the world. And na them claim santimonous pass.

She is supporting not just sentiments against the poor but real immoral discrimination while telling you not to support sentiment against the rich.

DrayZee:
E don do o. Scattered all over the place yet one you you cannot mention.
Abeg go rest. You don try for today

You never asked me to mention but i dont even need to every sensible person knows every major catholic, Anglican and Adventists church by missionaries had free education in the major headquarters and zones.

DrayZee:
E don do o. Scattered all over the place yet one you you cannot mention.
Abeg go rest. You don try for today

Are you blind, deaf and dumb that you don't know about hitherto free missionary schools and orphanages. Call the name of your village and will tell you the one nearest to it back then. So you get a clue what real missionary projects sounds like.

LaExpert:
Mr Ignorant, just think for once before you say trash.

Those 'missionaries' you keep saying are majorly Catholics, Adventists, Baptists Anglicans etc. They all still exist and all have schools today...and those schools aren't free neither are they affordable to you and the 'poor'...and that's why you will keep complaining. In fact, Babcock (Owned by the Adventist Church,) is one of the most expensive private schools in Nigeria.

Infact, I challenge you to show me 10 free Universities that have been built by missionaries.

If Winners for example, want to begin an outreach in a remote village in the North and they build a secondary or primary school, do you, in your ignorant mind, expect them to pay a fee in such school?

They really have an important part of their brain fried by constant brainwashing or beneficiary of the flawed system. Imagine how she is choking herself by herself with illogical analogy.

So A and B contributes to build then after the cost of schooling is placed so high that only A can afford it makes sense to that chaff brain and her GO? If this people were the ones Jesus handed over christainity to , their selfishness, senseless and inhumane minds would have destroyed the religion or unleashed a fuxked version on the world. And na them claim santimonous pass.

LaExpert:
Mr Ignorant, just think for once before you say trash.

Those 'missionaries' you keep saying are majorly Catholics, Adventists, Baptists Anglicans etc. They all still exist and all have schools today...and those schools aren't free neither are they affordable to you and the 'poor'...and that's why you will keep complaining. In fact, Babcock (Owned by the Adventist Church,) is one of the most expensive private schools in Nigeria.

Infact, I challenge you to show me 10 free Universities that have been built by missionaries.

If Winners for example, want to begin an outreach in a remote village in the North and they build a secondary or primary school, do you, in your ignorant mind, expect them to pay a fee in such school?

Where this dumb goat come out from de bleat chaff? Who said missionaries build free universities. Its like you forgot to wear your glasses before reading my posts.

I challenge you to show where i said missionaries built universities.

Abeg go piss for transformer if my posts de twist your brain.

DrayZee:
Lol. After everything na like dis your argument end.
Branches. Because I look like their managing director.
Master of insults. Go lie down joor.

Argument end where ? Mentioning one mushroom foundation doesnt change the facts that the brand of christainity by your so called GO's is a joke as they are much more focused on the business center may use mushroom foundations for fronting. When they are serious for and with real missionary humanitarian structures we will know as then you wouldn't have asking people to research first to know just like those of missionaries that are scattered all over the place

DrayZee:
Bye bye. It's obvious you have nothing reasonable to say, that's why you resort to insults.
Habitation of Hope by RCCG.
Conduct your own research and learn. Don't type uninformed.
Peace.

With how many branches and serving how many? Imagine if it were as renowned as the uni by receiving as much focus by the church as given to the uni? Then you wouldn't have to mention it before a lot people know it.

DrayZee:
Bye bye. It's obvious you have nothing reasonable to say, that's why you resort to insults. Conduct your own research and learn. Don't type uninformed.
Peace.

You wey be professor of research but cant mention any. Imagine goat. And one shouldn't need to research first before knowing such humanitarian structures by churches it should be staring in our faces just like the ones build by missionaries do.

DrayZee:
Now you're contradicting yourself. There are many rehabs and orphanages in Nigeria. You have constantly deviated from the point of this thread. Your points are finished.
Bye bye. When your missionaries build a free university, come and tell me.

Keep trying to deceive yourself. How many of those Rehaps , orphanages and schools for blind deaf or physically challenged were built by your so called GO saints? You want to make mouths with the ones missionaries built and left deceptive mumu. Mention.

They did not build free uni's but what they did build were free or affordable and they built it for people not even their race while we are here preaching that churches should build things the poor of their own race can afford not just to favor the rich and you are bleating about.

LaExpert:
You've made no point, Mr Insider Information.

If you want free education, cry out to those in government, mismanaging your money...or seek scholarship; the Church is not obliged to give you free education. You may as well remain in your ignorance.

Even Falz wasn't asking for free education.

I guess, in your stupid logic, those missionaries who didnt tell the people this your mumu talk but built free/ affordable things for them must be stupid. A typical black goat reasoning. If you were a missionary thats what you would have told Africans then. Blacks can't even take of their people in a humane sense but they blame some whites for seeing them as inhumane semi-animals.

Thats why their brand f Christianity has not changed the country. Inhumane selfish brand that cant bring socialistic distribution of wealth to uplift the poor like it complemented capitalism in the west.

DrayZee:
The point here is that they did not build free universities anywhere. And the ones they built are not cheap either.
They also have scholarships for the poor to attend their secondary schools. Stop closing your mind.
If you know you're determined to leave here with the same mindset you came with, then inform me now. I can't be typing to someone who's not willing to accept when he's wrong.

You are the one with a closed mind. Where are the Rehaps, orphanages and free secondary schools missionaries built? Where they stupid to build things that were cheap and affordable to the poor? Imagine a self imposed truth dogder. Why didn't they start building things out of the reach of the poor in their names? Ask your selfish GO's those questions.

DrayZee:
Oya now, tell where you heard of reprisal attack in Covenant or any of the other universities.
I'm not denying anything here. They gave free secondary schools, I agree (even though the government took some of them over because they weren't free )
Your missionaries did not build any university here, not to talk of making it free. There is no free university in the world. The "missionary" universities are 10 times more expensive than Covenant.
Covenant is affordable to Nigerians and that is why it doesn't lack students. They give scholarships to the intelligent but poor among them and that is enough.
If you're not smart enough to pass scholarship exam, and your pocket no reach , then go to where your pocket reach.

They left and government took over and made them not free.

White Christians who built Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Yonsei, Notre dame for the rich also built and contributed to building free /cheap schools , orphanages etc for the poor even for Blacks. Why black pastors and christians can't build anything dedicated to be affordable to the poor? And whatever they build with peoples money must belong to them privately ? Is that how missionaries did it?

White Christians who built Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Yonsei, Notre dame for the rich also built and contributed to building free / cheap schools orphanages etc for the poor. Why black pastors and christians own must not be affordable to the poor?

DrayZee:
Lol. Youths are afraid to make the change they seek for even when it's at their doorstep.
Bye bye yo.

He prefers you to be a dummy without opinion or herd-thinker like him.

DrayZee:
You know what? Fine. So to you, the 4 or 5 cultists out of thousands of students (who know they'll get expelled and imprisoned if they try rubbish) are enough to cause a reprisal. Well done. Continue.
No one will build on a faulty foundation when they can establish a completely new one. Peace.

You've gone from "no cultists in those universities " to 4 or 5. Now, how many cultists do you think it takes to launch a reprisal attack? But thats BTW. The major point you are trying to deflect from remains that real missionaries gave blacks orphanages, free and close to free primary/secondary schools etc most but your black pastors rather establish business in their name than establish those things that can be affordable to their fellow blacks who contributed to them. And your attempt to deny, downplay or deflect from that fact makes you sound like a badly brainwashed retar*d.

laudate:
Which white ladies? The ones that run around having affairs left, right and centre at the drop of a hat? And are quick to file for divorce on a whim? Or those white men that chase anything in skirts, and are busy looking for thressomes and all other kinds of weird things? Hehehe....honourable, indeed! Abeg, comot for road make better person pass.

Abi na better goat wan pass? Again, If you think being honorable is not important when dating a white lady, date one then start dicking around with other ladies and see how that goes for you. But i guess you already know what happens to dishonorable guys like you with them.

ladygudhead:
Everytime the poor, the poor,the pool when the church teach n give u incites (yes churches these days do educate members both spiritually n morally how to live above financial incapabilithes, they still choose to remain poor. If not for 'the church' today the world would have been worst than it is today. Yet we attack the church( christianity )

We try to make the church better with constructive criticism and advice. However you want to interpret it

DrayZee:
Wow. Why will they fear reprisal when there are no cultists in those universities in the first place
It's like you've lost your points.

If you believe their are zero cultists in private universities you are simply delusional. Again, if churches want to upgrade government universities they can. If they want to establish things the poor can afford, they can.

ladygudhead:
Its so annoying when people keep saying "university built by the poor" who are 'the poor', can a poor man built university? Is sound education cheap? Is it possible for 'all the poor' to be offered free tuition? Are there not provision for scolarship for 'the poor',even in any school in the world? should 'a poor' contribute to build standard schools as there are and remain 'poor'? Even those that are saying their tithes are being used to acquire private jets, funny their tithes are just 50naira or they dont even pay regularly(and even giving grudgingly) , whereas the ones who sow huge sums dont even make noise. NB: This to any church that has school irrespective educatinal level. They built the school, did they also build the administration?

The amount people contribute is not the issue as whatever "small" amount can be the persons riches . I may have only 100# and give 90% its as valuable as a man who contributed 150# out of his 1 million riches . Christ made that abundantly clear. The issue here is; is it Christianly moral to collect #1 from 30 million poor people and use it to do things they cant benefit from when there are things some of them can benefit from that can be done? Answer that question sincerely without deflection, ad hominin attacks etc

Fhowe:
contributing towards these is optional nobody was forced to contribute stop looking for faults in men of God (dangerous part to follow even if they are bad who are you to judge them) .most think this private universities is all about the fees alone the fees does not include feeding and cooking is not allowed so I don't think the poor masses can still afford it if they are giving scholarship .Cut.your coat according to your material .

Optional contributions or not is not the issue here. The contributors benefitting is and missionaries who brought Christianity set some humanitarian standards opposite of which we see today by so called church leaders. That should concern any reasonable Christian. True Christians should not look the other way when the so called MOG are making a selfish mockery of the religion. Shut up and look away is not what the bible preached.

DrayZee:
Something less costly. I presented that opinion to someone and he was talking rubbish.
So, you'd prefer a sub-standard university that's no different from the public universities you're trying to run away from?
I think the better option is the scholarships that are being awarded. That way, you get to go to a premium university, coerced to maintain your grades and behavior so you don't lose the scholarship.

No. I prefer a standard secondary school with low tuition the poor can pay for than universities the poor cant pay for.

DrayZee:
Churches in the two universities I've been to hold reforms for former cultists and juvenile delinquents in general. Also preaching to them the ills of their doings is also a method of reform. That's good enough for me.
And security is not something the church should be involved in. If the church does that and there's a backlash by a particular cultist group against the church by killing members, what will you say then?
Besides, the government can cover it properly. For example, the SARS agency in Uniport literally turned that school around. That school was a den of cultism. It's only on social media that I hear of a different type of SARS.

Are you trying to proof their is no way church can upgrade existing universities if they are interested? Their is a big difference between church and Rehaps my friend stop deceiving yourself.
The church members need to be direct security personnel but can support in a million and one ways after all they also provide security in their owm universities without fear of reprisal attack by cultists on thrir members . Again its about interest.

DrayZee:
Churches in the two universities I've been to hold reforms for former cultists and juvenile delinquents in general. Also preaching to them the ills of their doings is also a method of reform. That's good enough for me.
And security is not something the church should be involved in. If the church does that and there's a backlash by a particular cultist group against the church by killing members, what will you say then?
Besides, the government can cover it properly. For example, the SARS agency in Uniport literally turned that school around. That school was a den of cultism. It's only on social media that I hear of a different type of SARS.

Are you trying yo proof their is no way church can upgrade existing universities if they are interested? Their is a big difference between church and Rehaps my friend stop deceiving yourself.
The church members need to be direct security personnel but can support in a million and one ways after all they also provide security in their own universities without fear of reprisal attack by cultists on thrir members . Again its about interest.