TVTKOKO:
I like the fact that this celebration is giving some people HBP. wether they like it or yes, it would always be celebrated to the ends of the earth.
Coming up with stories such as, it has pagan origin but yet they forgot that the days of the week has idol meaning.
Hypocrisy is their surname.


Dear Christians all over the world, let no one discourage you from celebrating this day because, from our hearts, we are celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ and not some pagan god. This is the most important thing.

Merry Christmas �

MrBottle:
So it means you must believe in the bible to be saved. Is that the teaching of Jesus?
When he was alive there is nothing like the bible instead it is Torah, the Jewish scripture. Jesus never saw the bible as we know it today cos it was compiled years after his death. So how come the emphasis on bible believing churches by modern Christians since Jesus Christ we follow didnt subscribe to a "bible" when he was alive. Why that division as if the bible on it's own saves?

MrBottle:
So it means you must believe in the bible to be saved. Is that the teaching of Jesus?

Originakalokalo:


God said: Love your neighbor as yourself. Do not kill. Do not steal. Do not commit adultery.

We do all we want and when trouble comes, we ask the question, where is God?

He gave us those laws to be able to live peacefully with each other.

In case you didn't notice,. Peace has been taken away from the world. Peace is an individual thing.

The Earth is in Pains. The world is in Labour, about to give birth....


Until men learn to follow the commandments of God, the world will always be in chaos.

Do the will of God. Stop querying him

asuustrike2009:

God is everywhere.You can call upon him anywhere and he will answer you. God gives warning most times to man but man out of knowing more than himself falls into the trap of the devil.What happened in Las Vegas was already revealed by God through his prophets but was ignored.

Franky826:


Speak for yourself ooo.

Have had 3 ask me out back then we dated and it all went well. *The last just married last month*.

Nipeks:


My opinion about a supreme omnipotent being is irrelevant. I am as clueless as everybody else. The only difference is that I admit it.

Nipeks:



Your initial response was not harsh at all.

You have agreed that you are not in control because you cannot control all eventualities.

It is easy to take credit after trying very hard and everything eventually fell into place.
Maybe you even pulled some strings yourself that contributed to everything falling into place.
But not everybody has the strength, opportunity, motivation e.t.c that you had. They did not choose not to have those advantages.
If those disadvantages are factors that determine their will power then they are not also in control of their will power.
But even will power is not enough. There are people who tried harder and pulled more strings than you but didn't succeed because of the situation beyond their control.

If you roll a dice 1 million times under the same condition (e.g the size and shape of the dice, the direction and speed of the dice, the motion of the hand rolling the dice etc.) you will also get the same result. The dice may think it's size and shape is a factor that influenced the outcome but it did not choose the cause of its size and shape, therefore, it did not choose the outcome.

Free Will is literally not free will.

Nipeks:



Your initial response was not harsh at all.

You have agreed that you are not in control because you cannot control all eventualities.

It is easy to take credit after trying very hard and everything eventually fell into place.
Maybe you even pulled some strings yourself that contributed to everything falling into place.
But not everybody has the strength, opportunity, motivation e.t.c that you had. They did not choose not to have those advantages.
If those disadvantages are factors that determine their will power then they are not also in control of their will power.
But even will power is not enough. There are people who tried harder and pulled more strings than you but didn't succeed because of the situation beyond their control.

If you roll a dice 1 million times under the same condition (e.g the size and shape of the dice, the direction and speed of the dice, the motion of the hand rolling the dice etc.) you will also get the same result. The dice may think it's size and shape is a factor that influenced the outcome but it did not choose the cause of its size and shape, therefore, it did not choose the outcome.

Free Will is literally not free will.

Nipeks:


Sarcasm?

You don't have to stop if you have a point to prove.

Maybe if I used emoticons, you would know I'm not offended.



I want to be wrong if proven wrong.

tosyne2much:
No such thing as destiny and this is very evident in the story of Adam and Eve. God gave them the power to choose between life and death and they chose the latter. Or should we say that it has been destined that Adam and Eve will betray God?

Like I said earlier, nobody is destined to die in an auto crash, carelessness and lack of safety precautions causes mostly result in auto crash. No father is destined to sleep with his own daughter, no man is destined to marry a troublesome wife and vice versa. Seun Osewa was not destined to own Nairaland.

The term "destiny" is only used to encourage people to accept their fate especially when they have tried their best and things are not working out

Nipeks:


You are assuming things. First, I am not a believer of "God". I have not mentioned Destiny or God anywhere. I don't know where you are getting that from.

This is not a religious war.

My logic is simple.

Your actions are shaped by your wants and fears.
You don't have absolute control over your wants and fears.

Do you understand that or you want me to elaborate?

Emzyme:
Qui sera sera

I dont know what to believe in anymore
If am confused about God
Is it destiny i will now know about

Nipeks:



To answer your question, even though your time and cause of your death are certain, they are not known.

The truth is that you don't want to die now. Even if someone claims that it is now, you don't want to believe it. You will try your best to stay alive. Hence, you will always look left and right before you cross.

Free Will is an illusion. You think you are making the choices you want to make but what you want is the result of the situation you find yourself in.

- You choose to eat because you are hungry or because it's tasty or for whatever reason you have no control over.

- You are commenting on Nairaland because you are bored or because it's fun or for whatever reason you have no control over.

Hairyrapunzel:


Shunning is emotional blackmail first of all. Why should people be disfellowsipped for doing things not even mentioned in the Bible eg Smoking, blood transfusion, voting, joining military, entering a church, celebrating birthdays, Christmas, easter, Thanksgiving joining a church, people who attempted sucide etc?



Shunning is bad and it is a form of punishment. no normal human being will say it is normal
Shunning people because they don't agree with bible interpretation of 7men in newyork, Nathan knorr and
Rutherford is a crime
The sin you talk of is definitely the sin against disobeying rules made up by these men from 1926 till date.




watchtower is afraid of people knowing the truth about its origins and non biblical doctrines so they created a boundary so that the in jws don't get to hear its real origins, failed prophecies, its use of logical fallacies in creating doctrines and its use of threat of dying with non jws in Armageddon

Truth is never afraid of any negative influence. Truth fears no form of scrutiny




shunning is emotional blackmail it is same as killing and individual. You shouldn't take away someones number one social support it is a crime against humanity. People only come back because they miss their families. Shunning is practiced only by cults




If you really have the truth you will never be afraid of danger. Like I said is a way to keep jws from people who have discovered watchtower is a fraud. A publishing company trying to sell its books





Shunning is never a loving arrangement it is a hateful one. You shouldn't justify shunning people. It is psychological blackmail



Bible never mentioned shunning. The first time it is mentioned is in watchtower publications. Nathan knorr started the shunning rule





What is the definition of the wicked man in the Bible. The Bible never mentioned wicked people as people who don't accept the non biblical teaching of 7 men in newyork. Read 1cor5 from beginning to the end and know what its talking of.


You people just believe in fallacies. How is not eating with a somebody the same as not talking to the person?
The verse never said a wicked man is someone who does not believe watchtower non biblical teaching. I think 1cor5 was specific. And from that chapter it never said shun those people.




Wow so the shunning starts when the elders or watchtower police have finished investigation? Where is it mentioned in the Bible that you must be part of watchtower organization to be God's people? I think your leaders are delusional




Cult behavior spotted. So you shun people because they disobeyed non biblical rules made up by 7 imperfect uninspired men who say they are not led by the holy spirit? So you shun people for disobeying rules which can be changed in the future?



So shunning is now acceptable before God because 7 uninspired men in newyork say so. Interesting
Stop justifying non biblical teaching made by men who assumed that the Bible said you shun people who disobeyed Nathan knorr and Rutherfords law.

oteneaaron:


Ever heard of the "context" premising a scripture?....You only quoted 1cor 5: 13 and 1cor 5:11 read the full chapter from the begining and meditate to understand the context.

Shunning has led to suicides did you know that?

Shunning has broken families did you know that?

No matter how fanantical we maybe, we should also give space to reason.

If as a catholic i decide to leave the catholic church and beome a Jw, I'd become celebrated for leaving "babylon the great"....but i suddenly get fed up with the "cultish" activites in Jws and I decide to leave, and then become a "wicked person" ?? And become shunned??

We have to really need to stop thinking with our divks and stop been hypocritical....


Did you know that the Watchtower society wrote a full article denoucing the shunning process the Catholic church practised years ago



"Prove to yourself that what your learning is truth"

hopefulLandlord:


same here, you can check out that song, you might like it too and its clean, no bad language or seductive words

Hairyrapunzel:


The last time I checked we weren't discussing being forced to join watchtower

You see how you guys deviate from topics to cover up the practices you don't want individuals who are not jws to know?

This is another evidence your religion are a cult.

hopefulLandlord:


No! I don't want to live forever

and my signature is a chorus in the song "It's my life" by the band Bon Jovi

Hairyrapunzel:


So why should people leave their religion for your own when they can't leave your religion for other religions

You want parents from other religions to talk to their child who became a Jehovah's witness but your religion will not allow parents to speak to their children if they leave watchtower.
Your religion is a cult GBAM

mikeolu1:

When people make a decision to leave, they should not be punished for it. It's a cult behavior to punish those who disagree.
Geoffrey Jackson agreed with that at the commission. Whatch his testimony if you are allowed to.