aljharem: Why not learn rather that arguing blindly. You make statements that are nonsensical and when corrected, you throw tantrums. You really need to grow up
Next time don't open your mouth on Igbo matters you know nothing about. You of all people shouldn't be telling someone else that they're talking nonsense.
macof: In what way are Itsekiri not culturally yoruba? Even Edo culture that people like to say Itsekiri share is a culture yoruba can relate with. A foreigners first glance will see no difference between Yoruba and Edo culturally
Talkless of Itsekiri that are a yoruboid people... what about the ilaje? What about Owo? They aren't yoruba too
9jakool: No, unless you are descendant of Oduduwa, you don't claim such, it's more in a figurative general sense. Most Yoruba's royal lineage traces back to Oduduwa. All Yoruba weather of royal blood or not trace their origin to Ile-Ife directly or indirectly.
Also, let's get out of the way first, I'm not in any way claiming that Itsekiris are Yoruba. People are free to choose what they believe in. I simply want to know if you are suggesting that they are culturally Edoid and linguistically Yoruboid like most people like to generalize. This is where you and I will disagree.
A mix of Edo and Niger Delta, yeah. That's what I'm suggesting. Feel free to put me right.
9jakool: Yes, speaking the same way is not what ties Yoruba together, it's point of origin. Directly or indirectly, all Yorubas point their origin to Ile-Ife.
Are you suggesting that their culture is more Bini than Yoruba? Can you give me some examples? I'll argue that the core of their culture is similar to Yorubas. It's perfectly fine if Itsekiri don't claim Yoruba, identity is subject to change after all. I'm just trying to separate facts from the current myths often repeated on NL
Ile-Ife and Oduduwa, yeah. Can Itsekiri people claim descent from both?
Go ahead and argue that the core of iJekri's culture's Yoruba. It's entirely possible I'm not aware of these cultural things being an outsider.
macof: Having an ijebu and ilaje origin, speaking a dialect of the yoruba language makes them so
All this seclusion is political. If they were part of the SW it wouldn't be the case Not like that's a good excuse because even the Okun are catching up and reclaiming their yoruba identity
Yoruba identity's always been more rooted in culture than language though. Itsekiri people aren't culturally Yoruba
macof: Exactly, the deep origin of the akoko people go back to a proto-edo people who had just split from the proto-yoruba and proto-igbos. Many akoko languages hold words close to Igbo, when igbos never had a significant contact with them
As igala split from the yoruba so did akoko split from the Edo. It is really recently(starting from the late pre-colonial era) that the "yoruba" tag gradually became adopted especially by those in Ondo state as more and more yoruba culture and language influences them Its funny how a yoruba people like the itsekiri do not adopt the "yoruba" tag
funlord: No jollof yet sir....it is on the fire so for now you may have to make do with some white rice, beef cutlets, vegetables and ofada style pepper stew for lunch!
20CRATES: Ora is not Akoko Edo, although they share a border, and are both in the Edo north Zone. They also have Yoruba names and other mannerisms but to a lesser degree than the Akoko Edos.
Yeah. I know an Obadan from Ora. I obviously assumed he was Yoruba until I found out he's from Edo. I'm guessing most Ora people are bilingual in that and Yoruba.
20CRATES: * Akoko dialects - Oh my gosh! * Ede Ife (Togolese) - Damn * Idaasha - (one of the Beninois Yoruba dialects) - Jesu! * Ilaje * Owo, Ikale and Ondo tying 5th 3rdd in the Nigerian context. * Owe (Kabba), Ijumu and Oworo tying 6th. * Ekiti * Ijebu
Yup.
That's interesting too. Us outsiders with only an average understanding of these things usually rank Ijebu and Ekiti at the top (based on what we've heard). I know Akoko's on another level.
20CRATES: Akoko Ondo are Yoruba, although there were a few villages there that were speakers of edoid dialects but who have since converted, or are currently in the process of doing so.
Akoko Edo is where things get reaally interesting. It is made up of: * Etunos (who live in Igarra the LGA HQ). The Etunos are basically Egbiras who just go by a different name to be fancy because they are not in "North" like Egbira Okene people lol. * Okpameris, The biggest group * Yorubas * Unemes (Believed to be migratory blacksmiths) - some of them claim origin to as far away as awka. * Ososo * Sasaru - Enwan Etc.
In short, a tower of Babel , linguistically speaking. In Akoko Edo, you can encounter 5 languages within a 1km radius, or even different sections of the same village speaking different languages. During the times of the Western Nigeria internecine wars, they were one of the badly affected groups. They suffered some heavy Ibadan raiding, this was a period of high mobility, many Yorubas settled there and began to influence them, lifestyles and linguistically. A lot of them picked up the names of Yoruba war generals, notable people etc.
Then the Nupe Jihadists came along raiding and pillaging, and also left their legacy, especially in the aspects of traditional titles and rulership (although now, the nupe influence has almost vanished), you can still see hints of it in some last names lake Dawudu, Bakare, etc.
Starting from early colonial times, there was an additional influx of early Yoruba christian missionaries, Clerks, office/Government workers, etc into the area, they became influenced even more. The ones that retained their differences earlier all converted to Yoruba names. They all began to speak Yoruba language - which was honestly more of a plus to them naturally speaking, because of the regions extremely high linguistic diversity, Yoruba made it easier for them to relate within themselves and with their Yoruba neighbors.
Then, many migrated to major Yoruba urban centres and returned home with even more dynamics, influencing what was on ground in the villages even more.
That was how they became a more or less Yoruba people, although with ancestral very very old edoid roots. Roots that are honestly not even connected with Benin. But the original edoid stock of people.
And what's this about Ora people? Are they Akoko Edo too?
Revolva: nigga u calling me nwatakili....a kid or wat...u tink say i no hear igbo hahahha
well so bro how close ru to igalas...tell me..cos i know in anambra state there r stiill some igala speaking communities....close to my side...across d niger river..
I'm not from that side of Anambra. I'm from Agukwu Nri. Nwadiana in Awka.
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