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PoliticsRe: Dress Code In Benue; Ladies Banned From Wearing Trousers! by PTH(m): 2:44am On Aug 06, 2007
babyosisi:
You guys should tell this denex guy to shut up.
http://www.medicalecology.org/diseases/d_african_trypano.htm
grin grin  grin Thank u Dr. osisi. The amount of ignorance exhibited here leaves me speechless sometimes.

babyosisi:
I lived in Nigeria for years and almost all cases of sleeping sickness(Trypanosomiasis) was in the north so is leprosy,polio,riverblindness,meningitis.
Name the infection,it's endemic in northern Nigeria.
Someone will soon tell us afterall toothache is endemic in the south too.  grin grin

You forgot to add yellow fever too. i remember when we went to serve in the north, we were all forced to take immunisations enmasse. I couldnt help but wonder how we managed to remain the same country and yet so vastly different.
PoliticsRe: Dress Code In Benue; Ladies Banned From Wearing Trousers! by PTH(m): 2:38am On Aug 06, 2007
Danmasani:
Interesting, It is for a fact that the creation of additional states was a desire for every region of Nigeria at the time. So is it today. Almost every tribe in every Nigerian state once a state of its own because Gowon said so according to you!
This is untrue. The initial decision to split the viable and powerful regions into states was done by military fiat and against public oppinion. The present "desire" of every tribe for state creation is simply because of the free oil money that is handed out to otherwise unprofitable, unviable, corrupt individuals interested more in amassing ill-gotten wealth and getting federal/political appointments than in having a state.
in today's Nigeria, the number of states rather than productivity now governs who gets what.

Danmasani:
So when will u start extraction of the oil in Ogun and Ondo states. You know that might help us with the current situation in the Niger-Delta or is the Federal Government stupid not to have started that already a long time ago. State the obvious facts here--it is not in commercial quantities!
False! Ondo has commercial quantities of crude oil and bitumen. Ogun has commercial quantities of crude oil and has already commenced plans to begin oil exploration. The lazy and sleazy federal government does not do any extracting or exploration of oil, rather it relies on foreign companies who then pay rent that we all share.
the rest of us have learned our lessons from the Niger Delta experience, no one will be foolish enough to allow drilling of oil reserves in the west at least until the leeches in the north are no longer there.
why do you think the west is the most vehement group in support of a federal system of government? You think they too do not like free oil money from the Niger Delta?

Danmasani:
Question?? Has the distribution of Political positions and the hierachy of power in Nigeria not follwed the existing geo-political zones? Do u need me to prove to you that the President, VP, Senate Pres, Senate VP, House speaker and the PDP chairman are 'zoned' to this geo-political arrangements?
there was no zoning in 1960, none in 1963, none in 1979, none in 1983. Zoning did not enter our lexicon until 1999 and that is a fact.

Danmasani:
Why haven't you rejected it if it is meant to placate the south.
We are no fools, we know what befell us when we attempted to reject a fraud in 1993. No one wants to pay the price for "democracy" again.

Danmasani:
You call us illiterates--  What manner of irony is it that the first educated Nigerian President came from the North with a Masters for that matter. Obasanjo with all his "literacy" has taken Nigeria further backwards and u don't see that!
Obasanjo was merely a stooge of the north. If you bothered to check the south voted enmasse for Olu Falae.

Danmasani:
Presently an on-going investigation is happening about Trovan, a drug against meningitis given to kids in Kano who later died arising from complications due to it. The Kano and Nigerian government are both suing Pfizer for that. So tell me something? Will it be wrong if Bola Tinubu suspends Polio vaccination for his people had he suspected that complications might arise from them? Will he let them accept the vaccine and face the possibilty of future severe repercussions( an ex which is Trovan) or will he have hesistated and required testing for toxicity and severe side effects on humans? I'll leave that for your "rational side" to answer!
This is irrelevant. The decision to stop vaccinations in the north had NOTHING to do with the trovan experience. Afterall the rest of the country recieved vaccinations from the SAME batch. The trovan incident was a drug trial and NOT a vaccination.

Danmasani:
For your information, the Fulanis herd cattle and the span the entire sub-region of West Africa and trust me, they go to school. Your Harvard MBA holder and Minister, Nasir El- Rufai is one!
Thank God for El rufai. Maybe he can inspire the other lazy almajiris to attempt at least primary school too.
PoliticsRe: Dress Code In Benue; Ladies Banned From Wearing Trousers! by PTH(m): 2:19am On Aug 06, 2007
Kai! in the bid to be noticed some will go a long way to exhibit their ignorance.

denex:
@PTH

You Lagos, Ekiti, Ogun and Ondo state are oil producing states?
Pray tell, how many barrels of oil are they producing per day.
appologies if i put it the wrong way, they are known to possess proven researces of crude oil. Mining of bitumen actually takes place in Ondo state. Ondo i think is also considered one of the oil producing states by the FG.

denex:
That shiny-shiny sand that 419 scoop from Osun state to catch mugu is actually gold? Wonderful! And how many bullions of Gold have been mined. At least locals mine the gold in Plateau and Kaduna states.
there is gold in ilesha, perhaps you need to direct this question to the ministry of solid minerals.

denex:
And don't forget only Bauchi, Plateau, Taraba, Cross Rivers, Kano and Adamawa states have been confirmed to have great value of Uranium in Nigeria. Y'reckon, Uranium: the power source of the future?
hmmm did anyone mention uranium here by chance?

denex:
Let me also add that southern Nigeria has local disease like trypanosomiasis, Leshmaniasis and the South-West is the world headquarters of Sickle-Cell Anaemia: a disease with not possibility of cure and little hope of treatment.
Sickle-cell anaemia is a hereditary disease and thus cannot be lumped together with pathogen-borne diseases that are the result of poor hygiene. You cannot vaccinate against sickle-cell. that is why you should have taken biology class seriously! grin
PoliticsRe: Dress Code In Benue; Ladies Banned From Wearing Trousers! by PTH(m): 2:03am On Aug 06, 2007
Danmasani:
Quotes from PTH

Welcome to the Islamic Republic of Nigeria. Time to get my family out before hijab becomes the national dress code for females.  

Sharia Republic of Nigeria = Northern Nigeria, sand, camels and poor excuses for men


you forgot to include illiteracy, poverty and disease

But still went to contradict himself
this is not even about sharia. How Stupid can one be?? huh huh
simple! i meant my response on the north had nothing to do with sharia or lumping everyone northern as muslim.

i know very well that Benue is a mainly christian state, i lived with a benue family for 1 yr so i dont need you to tell me what gboko looks like.
PoliticsRe: Dress Code In Benue; Ladies Banned From Wearing Trousers! by PTH(m): 1:57am On Aug 06, 2007
Danmasani:
Someone is bring Bitumen and Gold into this thread. When was the last time Nigeria exported gold or depended on it? If so , how about the Tin and Columbite in Jos or the Cottons in Zaria and Kaduna or the Groundnut pyramids of Kano? Those days are gone. Why, because the entire Nigerian state forgot about all her potentials the moment the first barrel of Oil was extracted in Olibiri (1957).
Those days disappeared the very day northern Nigerian retards masquerading in military uniform decided to ruin our federal system of government.
Well before dear Yakubu Gowon split us into 12 states and unified government, the west could care less about oil drilled in Bayelsa.

Danmasani:
You say Lagos, Ekiti, Ondo are Oil-producing state- Hahaha. Do you know that even Bauchi and Kogi states have oil deposits but are nothing compared to what the Niger-Delta holds. PTH, tell me how much Oil is extracted from Lagos, Ekiti or Ondo states as you said in your thread!, Absolute nonsense.
NO. Aboslute zilch! Bauchi and kogi states ARE NOT oil producing states. NNPC on the basis of the nauseating federal character policy has sunk billions of naira on prospecting for oil in Bauchi WITHOUT SUCCESS.
Ogun and Ondo states have PROVEN oil and bitumen reserves.

Danmasani:
Accuse Northerners of splitting the South--last time i checked, the Ijaw man will not be happy if called Igbo nor will the Edo be glad to be identified as Yoruba, So how is splitting who? The clamour for Presidency, VP, Senate for all this while have been split among the 6 geo-political zones in Nigeria and whose making is it? The Northhuh?
When did the nonsense about "6 geopolitical zones" start? Was it part of our national lexicon in 1993?

The clamour for zoning of political office only became important when we all realised we were being taken for a ride by a bunch of illiterates who contribute NOTHING to the federal purse and yet claim that the presidency is their birthright.
Abdulsalam Abubakar introduced zoning in 1999 in order to placate the south!

Danmasani:
PTH, if you have nothing to else to bring to this debate other than your obscure observation and immense sense of stupidity, then i say you back off and concentrate at the topic at hand, giving good logical reasons for the persecution in Benue state. If not, continue to dwell in your rashness and I will square you off with every stupid statement you dish out here!
Last i checked, all u've contributed to this thread is an exhibition of verbal diarrhoea. Keep it up. Where is the "logical reasoning" in ever post of urs?
i wont also hesitate to point out your numerous gaffes each time you post.

I notice you had nothing to say about polio and the north? Illiteracy and the north? Last i checked i did not introduce the concept of "educationally less advantaged states". Perhaps that is also a stupid policy introduced by those who would rather herd cattle than go to school.
RomanceRe: Confused-my Corper Or University Girlfriend? by PTH(m): 1:41am On Aug 06, 2007
the dangers of long distance relationships.

sit down and study your options very well. I would say to stay with the lady u've spent 5yrs of ur life with but what if the new girl is actually the one for you?
If settling down is what is on ur mind then it shouldnt take you time to figure out which would make the best partner for u.

The new girl is still a student while u're a worker. hmmm that on its own is a red flag. What if she goes to serve too and just like you, finds another guy that she is also into? Choose wisely, no one can advise u.
PoliticsRe: How Will History Judge George Bush by PTH(m): 1:34am On Aug 06, 2007
I-man:
Obama has only legislative experience while Clinton had "executive" experience,albeit as Gov of Arkansas.However,I think its a significant difference considering the office of the President is part of the Executive arm.
true. Same can be said of Hillary Clinton too. But she will definitely benefit from having for husband a former president.
PoliticsRe: Dress Code In Benue; Ladies Banned From Wearing Trousers! by PTH(m): 1:29am On Aug 06, 2007
If this is an example of how you approach issues then i am not surprised at the low literacy level in the north.

Danmasani:
PTH, Please can you tell me what Ondo state contributes to the federal purse. Or what SIGNIFICANT contribution does Osun, Anambra, Lokoja, Adamawa, Ekiti gives each month to the federation called Nigeria, NOTHING

And why is that? Because 90% of Nigeria depends on Oil= The Niger- Delta!
Not really! those who carved up Nigeria into tiny bits did not put into consideration their economic viability. The 6 states in the west put together are also oil-producing states (Ekiti, Ogun, Ondo, Lagos!), Ondo also has huge deposits of bitumen. Osun state is a treasure throve of gold deposits.

Put the entire north together, what have they contributed to the federal purse in 47 yrs? Pls do some reasoning rather than spouting uncouth verbiage!

Danmasani:
So don't come here telling me some bullshit about the North not surviving without the South or being like Niger---We all are going to be like Niger if the Niger-Delta was not there at the moment.
1. The south can clearly survive without the Niger Delta
2. When northerners want to start their usual tricks they attempt to split the south into south, lagos and niger delta. The Niger Delta is a bonafide part of the south!

And No! the igbos and yorubas wont be like Niger without the Niger Delta because they too have oil resources.

Danmasani:
Dont even bring the talk of Lagos because Lagos is on a whole new different level in Nigeria. It's been the one and only vibrant centre of the past 100 years.
The usual northern trick of trying to separate Lagos from the south so as too perpetuate the untruth that afterall we are all on the same plane. Ogun state also has access to the sea! But for the leprous governments of ur corrupt northern rulers most parts of the south would have been like Lagos.
What of Portharcourt?

Danmasani:
So don't come here saying shit u don't know anything about, equating North= Poverty, exposing your idiocy and stupidity all over the place. Tell me one place in Nigeria where poverty is not affecting the people.
Last i checked the north alone accounts for 79% of the world's cases of the polio virus! Go figure!

Danmasani:
Just like Debosky said here, its unfortunate that the 1st thing anyone thinks about once he sees Northern is Sharia/moslem driven? I'm getting sick of people not wanting to learn especially assholes like you PTH
this is not even about sharia.
PoliticsRe: How Will History Judge George Bush by PTH(m): 1:20am On Aug 06, 2007
I-man:
Clinton and Kennedy,rightfully in my view,also suffered the "inexperienced" tag.It is politics.Your perceived weaknesses will be highlighted and discussed and there is nothing remotely racist in the Obama context.

Obama has actually received far more postive press than any other candidate.
I definitely agree. I however think the "inexperienced and naive" tag has been used much more on Obama than Clinton in 1992. Clinton was actually seen as a fresh faced alternative to the gerontocratic regimes of Bush senior.
PoliticsRe: How Will History Judge George Bush by PTH(m): 1:12am On Aug 06, 2007
k0be:
Inexperience, that's what CNN keeps exploiting about Obama. He's inexperienced, America is unlikely to take a risk on
That is the excuse white america is preparing in order not to be seen as racist. Clinton and Kennedy where about the same age as obama when they won landslide elections and just as inexperienced.

What experience does Clinton have? Was she not one of those who voted in favour of the Iraq quagmire?
PoliticsRe: 90 Nigerian Women Arrested For Indecent Dressing In Lagos. by PTH(m): 1:10am On Aug 06, 2007
karaye:
thank u afam,ladies need to be monitored because of there dressin stuff.indecency has become the order of the day.what is the benefit in exposing your boobs or ass.God bless u fashola.
Reading this you'd think ladies are 2yr olds.
Foreign AffairsRe: 9 Killed, 60 Injured Yesterday In US Bridge Collapse by PTH(m): 1:07am On Aug 06, 2007
denex:
@PiTy H

I really pity your state of mind. If I wanted to travel out of Nigeria, my stepfather is Swiss and we've have not taken up his offer to move to Switzerland in fact my stepbrother who is halfcaste does not share his Nigerian citizenship with Switzerland. So bone the matter wey you dey talk. abi for your mind now, yankee better pass switzerland?
we thank God, you get lifeline. grin
PoliticsRe: Dress Code In Benue; Ladies Banned From Wearing Trousers! by PTH(m): 1:05am On Aug 06, 2007
Danmasani:
Its unfortunate that some people equated the North with poverty, disease and illteracy. shocked shocked, Thats as if the rest of Nigeria is flowing with milk and honey and apple tree of good life!
Not even you can deny that without the south, northern Nigeria is as good as being no better than Niger Republic. Please tell us how much the entire 19 states in the north contribute to the federal purse.

The south is not flowing with milk and honey but it is not a cesspool of disease, illiteracy, poverty and ignorance either.
PoliticsRe: How Will History Judge George Bush by PTH(m): 12:50am On Aug 06, 2007
k0be:
Yes, you got that right.
Can somebody provide an outline of his foreign-policies; what he said he'd do with regards to the on-going war, what he plans to do with America's allies, and how he'll handle the fight against terrorism.
He's said he will be willing to talk to America's enemies like Iran, Venezuela e.t.c. That has drawn flak from the likes of Hillary Clinton who is capitalizing on that to show him up as naive and inexperienced.
What clinton advocates is the same Bush strategy that has not worked in the last 8 yrs!

If Obama loses he still has plenty of time to come back and recontest. Hillary Clinton is definitely the best material out there now.
PoliticsRe: How Will History Judge George Bush by PTH(m): 12:39am On Aug 06, 2007
@ kobe,

I have the feeling that Obama's only stumbling block will be the democratic primaries. If he beats Clinton then he is as good as having won the presidency. I doubt if America will vote a republican back to office whether the democratic candidate is black or white.

Many white americans will vote for Obama, the problem is a lot of blacks still think he has no chance with white voters and wont bother to vote for him since it will be tantamount to a waste of your vote.

Give Obama a shot. He sounds like the fresh face America needs to sell itself to a world that is increasingly hostile. clinton wont do any better than Bush!
Foreign AffairsRe: 9 Killed, 60 Injured Yesterday In US Bridge Collapse by PTH(m): 12:36am On Aug 06, 2007
see wetin visa refusal don cause. grin
PoliticsRe: How Will History Judge George Bush by PTH(m): 12:22am On Aug 06, 2007
Paw-Paw:
At the end of the day weather naija care or it doesn't, it is still my country. I won't run to another man's land and claim it as mine. Na human beings build america, and at the beginning they also had problems. Look at china at the moment, no one could have seen this 20yrs ago. Listen you can come back home I promise to give you job in my company, you don't have to go through this unnecessary humiliation from white people.
grin grin grin If going to school all expenses paid by the federal government is synonymous with being humiliated by white people then i'd rather suffer this humiliation than go through the "joys" of rejection by my own government.

you can always reapply for a visa. cheesy If na so e pain u reach.
Foreign AffairsRe: 9 Killed, 60 Injured Yesterday In US Bridge Collapse by PTH(m): 12:08am On Aug 06, 2007
Paw-Paw:
@PTH
This boy e be like say you hate naija, so why are you here? Why you no go try america forum, after them know say you be nigga o boy them go drive you commont. Hahaha.
hating Nigeria is impossible, its just that the attitude of most of you latter day naija lovers (simply because you have no other choice) is nauseating.
PoliticsRe: How Will History Judge George Bush by PTH(m): 11:51pm On Aug 05, 2007
Paw-Paw:
@PTH
I just hope america show as much love to you as you're showing here. My brother I feel you, chei.
Chei, i feel u too. I just wished Nigeria cared about u or even realised that you existed.
PoliticsRe: Dress Code In Benue; Ladies Banned From Wearing Trousers! by PTH(m): 11:50pm On Aug 05, 2007
Paw-Paw:
@PTH
After you praise america finish for another thread, you come here now to abuse northerners. Shey you dey pray for war for naija? Stay your america and leave us in peace here o.
No stress dear paw-paw, get ready to have ur wife decked in a black burqa for the rest of her life. Enjoy urself in the islamic republic of Nigeria.
Foreign AffairsRe: 9 Killed, 60 Injured Yesterday In US Bridge Collapse by PTH(m): 11:48pm On Aug 05, 2007
Paw-Paw:
I sure say you suffer gon ni before you reach america. America na heaven to you abi. Hahaha
There are many people leaving better in naija than in america, it depends how poor your family are, and the level of education. If you couldn.t gain admission to a nigerian university because you're thick as a plank and you go to some stupid university in america, stay there because those bogus certs are no longer recognised in nigeria.
As if your Nigerian certificates are accepted in ordinary Ghana! grin grin

Any idiot smart enough to cheat can gain entry to the typical Nigerian glorified secondary schools aka universities.
Is any of ur homegrown schools among the world's top 1000 colleges?
Foreign AffairsRe: 9 Killed, 60 Injured Yesterday In US Bridge Collapse by PTH(m): 11:46pm On Aug 05, 2007
Paw-Paw:
@denex
I really hate it when the Nigerian immigrants to america come here boasting of how good america is.
If to tell the truth is to "boast" then so be it. How many bridges have collapsed in Nigeria and no one has been bothered? How many times have floods, collapsed buildings in Lagos, pipeline fire disasters and Nigerian army explosions led to the deaths of thousands of Nigerians and we all pretend as if all is well.
Less than 50 Americans die in a bridge disaster and the usual "cast aspersions on America" brigade are here pontificating. At least here i can go home at 11pm without looking out for armed robbers! And did i forget to say i'm 110% sure electricity, gas and water supply is guaranteed?

Paw-Paw:
These are the people who come back home and tell people in their village of how rosy things are in america forgeting to tell them the downside of immigrants to america. I have nieces and cousins all over america and I know the racism they face over there.
your family members must be having it very rough. Since i've been here i've had not one single complaint. Is racism present in America? Sure! Just the same way racism aka tribalism exists in Nigeria. Solve your problems first before picking out that of others.

Paw-Paw:
When oyinbos come to naija they expect houseboy/housegirl, driver etc. and foolishly we give them this undue priviledges.
If you are rich enough to afford it, those "undue priviledges" are urs here too.

Paw-Paw:
Yet our people will never tell the truth, thats why every young man wants to go abroad, the naijas in america should lecture our youths about america, not make out like america is paved with gold.
America is not paved with gold but if you are hardworking you can achieve whatever you set ur mind to achieve. Can we say the same of Nigeria?
PoliticsRe: How Will History Judge George Bush by PTH(m): 11:16pm On Aug 05, 2007
of all people to use as role models tupac a confirmed thug? shocked

Is anyone still wondering why the black race is the most backward in the world?
Foreign AffairsRe: 9 Killed, 60 Injured Yesterday In US Bridge Collapse by PTH(m): 11:11pm On Aug 05, 2007
denex:
@Paw-Paw

I dey feel your yarns jare. Can you just imagine say them wan force me become American Patriot for this forum.

The only reason why I still look at what is happening in the USA is because of our African American brethren there. But from statements of people like Oprah and Rice, you will realised that they have been so massively brainwashed, they've become damaged goods.
grin grin grin Your own visa is on the way.
IslamRe: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently? by PTH(m): 11:09pm On Aug 05, 2007
Iobafemi:
we should all learn to live by the Qur'an and Sunnah of the prophet (SAW)
and our lives will be better for it
Just like the lives of the Iranians, Palestinians, Saudis, Pakistanis, Sudanese, iraqis, Yemeni? Sorry i prefer to pass.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm A Free Thinker: Does That Mean I Won't Go To Heaven? by PTH(m): 11:08pm On Aug 05, 2007
@ reverend,
in no way am i threatening you with hell. Not at all. why should you feel threatened if according to you hell does not even exist?

You are absolutely free to believe whatever you wish. I just wonder why there is so much desperate attempt to prove that God does not exist if you are so sure. guilty conscience? Fear maybe?
PoliticsRe: Dress Code In Benue; Ladies Banned From Wearing Trousers! by PTH(m): 11:06pm On Aug 05, 2007
karaye:
mess u ,it seems u are an ignorant person dominated buy a religion of dancing huggin ladies durin worship with a holy book that has been doctored by selfish shits.go and read nigeria is a muslim state and member of oic,so go and eat your self.go and read what is islam were is it now but not to allow your shits to rapped u with all sort of lies.look at the internet and see were is islam.so continue to mess your sisters like animals in the name of civilization.damn u.idiot
Is anyone still wondering why Nigeria ( and northern Nigeria specifically) is still under the curse of underdevelopment despite her massive oil wealth?
If this are the calibre of people the hausas can produce what hope does the common man have?
Foreign AffairsRe: 9 Killed, 60 Injured Yesterday In US Bridge Collapse by PTH(m): 11:03pm On Aug 05, 2007
denex:
@larsinii
where did Paw-Paw say that all Americans are violent? Where? Where did you see it? I believe you should retract your insults and apologise.
Paw-Paw:
Its a curse from God. Visa or no visa I don't care, send america police to my house if you don't like what I said. I don't like americans they are very violent all over the world. How many people don die from america bullets this year. Abeg carry go jare.
@ denex, maybe you should be the one appologizing, of all things i thought you were i never knew blinded bias would be one of them.

@ paw-paw, it is hypocrites like you that will be on the US embassy queue tomorrow. remember to tell the immigration officer that you dont care for americans and their visa.
PoliticsRe: Dress Code In Benue; Ladies Banned From Wearing Trousers! by PTH(m): 4:19pm On Aug 05, 2007
karaye:
PTH AND REVEREND. you posseses all what u have said that u are illitrate,poor,ignorant.useless charlatans.your leaders know the consequences of goin naked which results in all this prostitution ,adultary,fornication that is so rampant in all your areas.u have a wife and being bleeped by someone in he name of civilization.we are not animals were mess any one u sight.freedom in america has a limit.always chew before u say.another mad said all arabs are poor only because of oil,please go to history,don't be sayin somethin that will expose your ignorance.shi, ttttttt.
ur post itself is a public exhibition of illiteracy.
So that your neighbour's wife wears trousers is sufficient excuse to cheat on ur wife?

Freedom in America has a limit sure, but i havent seen the police arresting women who choose to walk around without bras. No one has been caught raping them just yet.

And yes the arabs are dirt poor, no amount of revisionist history can change that.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm A Free Thinker: Does That Mean I Won't Go To Heaven? by PTH(m): 4:15pm On Aug 05, 2007
Ah here comes the association of spiritually blinded unbelievers aka "freethinkers".

Pls let us know how hell looks like, perhaps the freedom to think freely exists there.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm A Free Thinker: Does That Mean I Won't Go To Heaven? by PTH(m): 3:10am On Aug 05, 2007
BlkRaven:
Hi PTH
I'm not sure I understand. If evil is merely a consequence of our actions, then does that not mean that we have been given the choice between good and evil?
Not really, that you reap what you sow is not synonymous with being given the choice to choose between good and evil. Obviously no one chooses to reap evil even when that is what they sow.

BlkRaven:
That's the beauty of freethinking: I don't have to pick any God. I just acknowledge that there is one and treat people the way I wish to be treated. Choosing one God is best left to those who wish to be part of a religious group.
This is a classic example of the muddled thinking of he who considers himself a "freethinker". Is it possible to NOT have to pick a father but merely acknowledge that a father exists?
1. Every "God" has clearly distinct conditions and requirements; how do you know which one to follow?

2. Is merely treating someone the way they wish to be treated the general criteria demanded by all "gods"?

3. There is no middle road between right or wrong. You either choose a "god" to follow or you choose not to follow any. That is the real beauty of free thinking.

BlkRaven:
Now you are asking questions that are clearly from a religious perspective (I'm guessing, Christian). For me, acknowledging that God exists is enough. He reaches out to me through my experiences. I have a bad experience and I know he's trying to teach me something. He speaks to me through by my friends and also my conscience.
God is not a mysterious spiritual phenomenon. Depending on what "religion" you believe in, God is indeed real, with specific concepts of how to reach Him and how He speaks to us.
Like every appliance we use in everyday life, God has His own manual. To pretend to have a relationship with Him outside that manual is to decieve yourself. Even witches and devils can also claim to be reaching out to "God" through their own experiences.

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