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emöfine2: Hi Ptolomeus

I'm not so focused on any particular God that has been described before. It’s more of an examination of “god” beyond the perimeters of religion. So if this authority that has always been alluded to actually exists independent of whether one acknowledges this entity or not...its existence would still stand thus making the actual existence of god(s) an objective truth even if it’s not universally accepted. However the nature of this supposed objective truth or this supposed god is what I’m inquiring and if it’s nature allows it to be compatible with objectivity.
If god exists and is not neutral, then such god has biases...thus my question: would an “objective truth” proceed subjectively?

But it’s a very muddled question(s) so I understand if it’s confusing I’m still trying to make sense of what I’m trying to relay .

How have you been by the way?

Always a pleasure reading what you write.
Intelligence amounts to inner peace. Thank you.
There is a God who created everything is said. But unlike the Judeo-Christian god, he was not "looking down, toward the ground to see if Emofine doing his work ... Sorry for the term, but that is very stupid to me for a god!
The god of which I speak, made the creation of the universe but then left her "guardians" to maintain the universal equilibrium. That he created universal balance. Then, a god is not fair or unfair, it's about the concepts of good and evil. He does not do justice, not distribute punishments and rewards ...
I hope my bad English is understood!


Here's all good ... you are getting the first frosts.
I hope you are well.
I enjoy reading your posts

A lake of fire ... that's original!
A virgin who has four children ...
A hell where souls (which are immaterial) burn!
A god who demanded sacrifices of virgins, but then does not want sacrifices.
A son of the dying god who stops believing in his father and asks him why he leaves?
May be criticize Christianity for many things, but not for lack of originality.

SNCOQ3: ^^^Actually, their is a universal moral law called the Golden Rule - credited to Jesus Christ.

"do not do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you"

Please research it. Even non-christians acknowledge it to be true.

That rule was moral to which Jesus appealed when he took a whip and drove the merchants from the temple?
That golden rule is the rule that the biblical God was demanding sacrifices of virgins and children for him?
That golden rule is taught by Christians in Africa and South America?
Christian and Arab set up their immorality, the taught, the imposed.
Today the world has the moral and ethical foundations that have marked both Islamic and Christian.
Those who preach love of neighbor are the first to celebrate a war.
All in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, amen.

SNCOQ3: Trash the generalization. Christians don't worship saints; only a specific denomination pray to this saints to 'talk to God' on their behalf. This is a false doctrine with a pagan origin sneaked into the church a long time ago. The Bible is our only authority and their is no scriptural support for that unfortunate error from Genesis to Rev.

'familiar spirit' are no spirit of dead humans or 'spirits of our ancestors'. They are a class of evil spirits who understand the world and its system all too well because they were here before us.

Oh ... dear friend ...
I do not want to distort the tread, but as you are very anxious to talk about their faith, let me tell you that Jesus was born, lived and died. It is true that he died by hanging on a cross, humiliated, and undignified way for a god. But beyond all that, is a spirit. Christians call it "holy spirit", which confirms that it is a spirit. Christians are spiritists, worship a spirit.
You should not disqualify other, because they worship spirits like you. Nor do you call satanic, those who they do not know Satan.
Satan exists only in Jewish-Christian religions.
Do not demonize others. Embrace your faith, but does not disqualify their peers.
Fanaticism in your religion is not a sin?
Right.
On with the thread that is interesting.

S.T.A.P
Slaves of tithing and the pastor

teeroy: A man parading himself to be a pastor with the name, Dr. Paul Ruby Borngreat and formerly with the Believers Loveword Ministry is currently being hunted by the Nigerian Police Force for the theft of a hefty amount of foreign currency. The public and churches in particular are warned to be at alert as this man moves from one church to the other with the intent of defrauding and stealing fom innocent indivioduals.

He was last seen in Abuja in mid- January 2010 but is currently believed to be in the Lagos metropolis. Any member of th public who sees him should either report to the nearest police station or call the following numbers; 07036761985, 08059261828 and 08067713196. There will be an apprecable reward should such information lead to his apprehension.

Find below a recent photograph of him.

False prophets. All frauds. Joshua first.

SNCOQ3: On the other hand, Satan (with his superiority complex) and his Familiar Spirits

I guess when you talk to spirits, you are referring to the spirits worshiped by Christians, right? The spirit of the dead whom they call "saints." I think that's not grave, nor that it is satanic. The worship of spirits on the part of Christians is nothing Satanic.

mimifonwon: White man's religion stole our morals that our traditional faith made sure was set.

A universal truth, dear friend ...
Regardless of some irony that may arise in the thread, is interesting. She wears the analysis of many things.

@ghostofsparta: I never saw a Nigerian film. I do not think we're talking exclusively a religious issue, but also ethical.
Europeans and Arabs not only imposed their gods, but also their vices.
Every priest (of religion whatsoever, and regardless of the name that have) is an intermediary between man and God.
My best regards

OLAADEGBU: Are you also a fan of Aleister Crowley? Will you vote for Obama if you happen to live in the U.S. of A?

All good Christians should vote for him. Satan will try to destroy it ... Satan knows that our Lord has placed in front of the United States a Christian anointed by God! Satan will do everything we can to change that ...
You do not vote? Perhaps you would not vote for a Christian?
You vote for an agent of Satan?
Come on Olaad, you are an intelligent man, and respectful of Christ!

Niflheim: tell me,did you suck obama's dick?whoever denies obama is a servant of satan?do you worship him?he legalized sex with animals and you have the guts to say he receives advice from jesus?

Dear brother.
The priests of the time also criticized Jesus for being with prostitutes and dinner with people of low repute.
Sex with animals, and adultery were common in the days of David, Solomon and Abraham ... Read the Bible.
How to say that Obama is a servant of Satan? When he is an anointed of the Lord!
You believe that God will defeat Satan putting Obama in front of the most powerful country? Obama is an elected Mr. ... is the most prominent Christian ... chosen by God himself ...
Obama has been anointed by the Lord, as was Moses, Noah ...
You say it is a servant of Satan? Watch out!
You should fear God and respect their decisions, you have called God "Satan."

Pray save your soul ...
Aleluiah

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Hello dear friend Emofine. How are you?
Not all "gods are equal"
Here we are talking about the Judeo-Christian god ...
I'm just going to take one example, which I hope will be vivid and clear.
Question: For Jews and Christians, adultery is a sin? Yes or no?
If the answer is "yes," then ask him to Judeo-Christian god why did not punish David? Solomon? Noah? and so many other sinners? On the contrary ... were his proteges!
I think that answers the question.
As I said before, depends on God we are talking about.
Un beso de amigo!

buzugee: let me sum it up for you ' CALIENTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE' ' LATINOOOOOOOOO HEATTTTTTTTTT '

Hahahaha!
A hug dear friend!

logicboy: I understand you. America is corrupt but Nigerians should not overlook their problems when criticizing America.


Uruguay plays good football!

Thank you dear friend.
For the Uruguayan football is the greatest passion ... We are second in the FIFA ranking!

I agree with you. Debmos not forget our own problems. Look, in Uruguay for about twenty years ago, still sleeping with the front door unlocked ... now we all have bars ...
Do not forget our problems, find solutions ... but if Nigeria or Uruguay are compared with the United States ... No such comparison ... Our people, beyond the needs, still have certain ethical values that the U.S. has already forgotten for many decades.
I send you a big hug!

The Europeans and the Arabs brought their gods not only to Africa and America ... also imposed their culture ... his view of life ... profit, lying, theft and crime. These are the foundations of cultures in Africa and South América imposed ... All with the blessing of Allah and Yawe.
"We were happy, then they came ... They took the gold, and left us the Bible."


Dear friend MusKeeto.
I respect your opinion, and also his theological position.
Africa was invaded many times, European, Arab ... I do not think solely responsible for this have been the African gods.
Jews lived landless for many years, they were slaughtered, enslaved and humiliated a thousand times. The Islamists (we seek a close case in history) in Iraq were killed, raped, humiliated, displayed, and still continue to be tortured at Guantanamo. We can blame Allah or to Yawe that?
I agree with you that man must help himself, regardless of religious belief, but do not think you should blame a god or gods, so they could not or were unable to defend the men.
Africans and Native Americans fought with spears, they came with guns.
Not a question of the gods.
I hope you understand my post, no offense intended toward you.

I'm a foreigner. Just a researcher of African culture, and especially the Yoruba.
I confess I am somewhat surprised by this question, and nobody has had a reply.
Historically, the Yoruba tradition indicated that the ancestors must be buried at home. This tradition was banned by the Europeans. These burials, now, (by Western influence) may seem strange, in fact relate to the profound respect for the ancestors.
In times of slavery, that tradition is intended to continue in some countries in South América with varied luck. When slavery was abolished, some houses remained a symbolic place, sometimes called Igbalé (whose translation is complex, I hope that some Yoruba step in and correct my statements or claims-)
An old Yoruba proverb says "We stand on the shoulders of our ancestors."
It is a sensitive matter on which we disagree or not, but that is part of the tradition and ancient culture of the people.
I hope some Yoruba brother membership extend the comment
My respects to all, especially for my dear friend Odumchi!

NRI PRIEST: Ibadan is the second most ancient city in the world Where did you get that from I guess you meant second most ancient city in yoruba land...Dude you are very funnnnny!

According to mythology Yoruba, Oduduwa (the patriarch Yoruba) founds first Ile Ife.
According to that, Ile Ife would be the oldest city Yoruba.

Dear friends.
Someone has opened a beautiful tread on the Yoruba.
The Yoruba are a people (like others) very rich in traditions, culture and history. No one has elements to bring about these wonderful traditions? The Yoruba have no language, not have a beautiful culture on that comment? They have a religion recognized worldwide?
The forum has no brothers Yoruba?

hypeman: 1. I'm aware that Nigeria is a country rich in many culture(s), and I've been privileged to read about some of them on the internet. African American scholars like : Prof. Leonard Jeffries, Dr. Ivan Van Sertima (R.I.P), Dr. John Henrik Clarke, Dr. Chancellor Williams (destruction of black civilization) etc. have written books, and have proved with academic scholarships that the African fits in perfectly into the 'modern' world. Because it was the same culture(s) that laid the foundation for everything we've today..

2. All Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam, and Judaism) are an off-shoot of African spirituality. And science and technology, language, speech, modern medicine, architecture, banking etc. have their roots on the African continent..

3. If all these assertions are true, why do we as Nigerians (Africans in general) find it difficult to embrace our culture (root) whilst still maintaining our relationship with the 'modern' world?

Dear friend.
I hope my bad English let you get me ...
1. I am a researcher of African culture. I thank the names of these researchers, they are a good reference.
Nigeria is a country rich in culture. I regret the great lack of information that Nigerians have about it. Possibly this is the work of the work of the settlers (Europeans and Arabs).
I do not forwarded to Egypt, where I prefer to talk about African culture and traditions. No one can deny to Egypt as a reference, but Nigeria has its ancient traditions. I never understood why Nigerians in general, feel contempt for their traditions, their culture, their roots, and ultimately by their ancestors.

2.I totally agree with you. Possibly I have a slight nuance of difference, and I do not refer to Egypt alone.
I repeat, no one can deny the historical importance of Egypt, but there are elements of the rest of Africa are of great importance in the history of the world. Unfortunately, the least known of these elements are the Africans themselves.

3. No one can depart from the global context. You can not go back in time and live the past. However, you may become aware of that past that cultural richness. I understand that, possibly because of the constant invasions, Africa suffers from a profound identity crisis, and that only can be overcome by realizing that there is a common past. How is it that an African ethnic group is divided into three different countries? The African map was "squared" with the Treaty of Berlin divided the booty Europe and Africa still pays the price.
When I read in this forum, some Africans argue heatedly about the Bible; on polygamy of Islam or the virginity of Mary ... and they know their mother tongue ... read the Bible in English, and called Oloorún at the god Jew. ..
I understand that your post is a call to the conscience of Africans, which is very commendable and positive. I would like to support his proposal, and every friend of the forum meditate on what has been written here.

@ PAGAN 9JA. You know I'm a high regard for you.
Regardless of the date of Hypeman about Egypt, I believe you, he and I are saying the same thing. I, personally, would rather like you to be valued more Nigerian traditions to Egyptian, but a good starting point, have at least one critical overturning Africa to western traditions and foreign religions.
Mó jubá ö!

Joshua is not valued in Nigeria. Again Cameroon puesa not allowed into the country. In Argentina he has p'rovocado much laughter when he announced the death of the President of Argentina ... A real joke ... He is not taken seriously, it can not be met who do not gain respect.
Internationally, Joshua is considered a buffoon.

uhonmora: tell this man to predict when we will have stable electricity in nigeria. I am tired of the deafening noises of generators around me.

Joshua does not predict that sort of thing.
He is adept at predicting sports results ... a circus!
Electricity will be normal in Nigeria where such charlatans are no followers, and everyone engaged in the work.

HE continued inventing ends prophecies. In January this year, Joshua announced the death of the President of Argentina. It was an international embarrassment, as the president still has a great health!
The ends, whom some call "man of god", announced the death of Obama?
I am happy that Joshua has gone to the United States ... in Africa and have barred him from entering some countries.
Joshua is a fraud known worldwide for his nonsense.
In Argentina (through failure) all assume that Joshua gets drunk and starts talking nonsense, that are considered "prophecies" by some fools. Just so it justifies what he does.

knightride: Pls kindly list the countries that have banned him from entry!

I'm a thousand miles from Nigeria and I know ... you did not know you ...?

buzugee: Good read Brother Ptolomeus. Good read. however as an atheist i will have to take your opinion with a grain of salt. its like me telling you about how nice meat taste when i am a vegetarian.

Dear friend.
I've already explained a thousand times, I'm not an atheist ...
But anyway ...
Consider this argument: you ever ate "morcilla"? No? Then you can not talk about pigs!

Have you ever competed professionally in football? No? Then you can not comment on Sports ...
We urinating outside the hole hahahaha!
Anyway I have a very high opinion of you.

I insist. Jesus himself had appeared to Obama, has chosen the name of God. He is an anointed ...
Understandably, some bad Christians feel envious of him ... But envy is a sin!
How Obama deny Christianity, if even Christ has been recognized as the best Christian in the universe?
As a good Christian, Obama suffers the horrible torture knowing that right now practiced in Guantanamo prisoners, with the continuing violations of the innocent Iraqi women ... But Obama is serving a mission for our Lord ...
Loving God is not only pray and read the Bible, and Obama, as a chosen, anointed of God knows what is the sacrifice!. He received directly the message that gays are creations of God and should have the same rights as other ... Its decisions are the decisions of God ... Soon, abortion is free in the united states ... the executor may be Obama, but the divine command of our Lord Jesus Christ is.
Whoever denies Obama is a bad Christian, a servant of Satan!.

all4naija: Bestiality in the highest order is found in the Nigerian society. Where people can trade humans for rituals, cannibalism,etc. Please, spare me the hypocrisy!
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I agree with the essence of what you say.
But when we refer to African traditions (discard cannibalism), I prefer to respect the past.
I wonder know what contributions have made the Western and Islamic culture in Nigeria. Slavery, hunger and ignorance.
Has progressed? Nigeria is better to Allah or Jesus Christ to that of Olorún?
Everyone will know the answer.

bestofthisyear: Your correct. What makes it worse in Nigeria is that we are a religious country as a whole, so for so much immorality to prevail, heaps of hipocracy must be prevalent in society, ie. higher figures in the church or mosque taking bribes from well known criminals and turning a blind eye to their crimes or married men chasing young girls etc etc the list goes on. We know the difference between right and wrong but pawn them off to lousy excuses like condition or nature or culture. Funny enough some of the most morally upright people in both countries have nothing to do with religion at all. All in all the US is further ahead than nigeria

Many are irritated with your comment, as many make religion the only reason for living.
Yop fully share your opinion.
Nigeria needs a lot less religion, and more self ..
Less prayer and more work ...
The changes are only made when there is unity.
My respect and a hug

Hello dear friend.
(Uruguay 4- Peru 2)
It is not matter of pride that a society is better to American. American society is the most corrupt, violent, selfish and individualistic in the world (even more than Argentina).
I do not know Nigeria, but I have no doubt that Nigerian society is far more humane and has a greater sense of ethics and morality that the United States.
Nigeria has moral concepts that come from far back in time, a philosophy of life that we may criticize many times, but that can not be compared with that scum.
In the USA people are born intelligent (of course), and others, are economically have the means ... you imagine Bill Gates born in the jungle, isolated from the world without any technological advance, with malnutrition?. I imagine being born in a village in the interior of Uruguay, raising cattle and planting potatoes?
Be critical, yes, but not lose sight of our traditional values​​!
I have exchanged a lot about Africa. Formerly, artisans and merchants left their items by the roadside, with its low price item. The buyer left in money instead of the article, without requiring that the seller was there. That is unthinkable today in Africa and around the world ... but that indicates an idiosyncrasy, a lifestyle, a concept of ethics ... that have forgotten, cultural penetration, the contempt for the native , colonization, etc.
Maybe we should look more towards inside our house, and we should look less out.
But.
If I am not mistaken, you are talking about a pastor.
We can not judge a society by a corrupt!
We know that just hecxho to pastoring, he has a 99% chance of being a corrupt ...
But he is not Nigeria ...
Agree?
Sorry so long, and I hope my terrible English enables you to understand what I express!

A big hug my dear friend!
Vamo' arriba la celeste!!

Dear friend:
I try to explain something. Sometimes, we create an image that is not real. You are convinced that God is "something", but you thought it might be different?
For example:
1. The price of sin is always death. Abraham, Solomon, Noah and many others were adulterers, and God never punished however. He did not even reprimanded.
2. You believe in god "good" spoken of in the New Testament. But this god is the same as in the Old Testament demanded sacrifices of virgins and children for him.
3. That God has punished his people many times, with terrible plagues, wars ... killed their children with the flood ... a criminal act that hit the earth ...
If you can understand that God is not all the good that many say will understand that he did not mind creating Satan, not punish Adam and Eve ... and condemn them and us for that original sin.
I do not mean to offend anyone, but the biblical god has little "good".
It suffices to read the Bible.
My regards