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Uyi Iredia: Christianity is a first & formost a philosophy and what I mean by philosophy in this context is 'a way of living'.

Hardly.
For his Jewish roots. Had there been no Judaism, Christianity would not exist today.
Christianity is not independent nor original.

You think I'm going to read all that?
Read it five times every volume of "Don Quixote de la Mancha" and I promise I read your article.
Greetings!

@Martian, Dear friend.
I'll explain, because my friend Olaa does not want.
Olaadegbu opened this thread ...
Obama is a Christian (said Christian), who defends torture at Guantanamo, Cuba blocking and rape and murder of Arabs in Iraq and other Arab countries.
Not good for the image of Christians, another Christian to be a filthy so low.
opened this thread, to try to make people believe that it is a Christian who commits these atrocities. He himself () feel ashamed of belonging to the same sect that Obama ...
So Olaadegbu try to remove responsibility to Christianity ...
But it is impossible.
Obama promotes and ordered the torture of people shackled in Guantanamo hunger of civilians in Cuba, the killing of civilians ra.pe of women and torture of innocents in Iraq ...
and likes or does not like .
OBAMA IS CHRISTIAN!
That is the great preoccupation of my friend Olaa!

His mother in law lives with you?
That's the explanation!

Vodun worship, which are Ancestors Fon.
Benin is considered the birthplace of this cult, which combines the visible and the invisible.
As a result of some historical inter-tribal wars, some Vodun became part of the pantheon of Orisá Yoruba.
Such is the case of Nana Mburuku and Somponnó .

My respects.

Dudu_Negro: Ptolomeus, thank you very much. The whole point of sharing with one another here is to increase in our understanding and growth. I have learnt from many people here what I didn't know and I have also shared a lot of what I know here. Again, thank you for your kind words.

To get at the root of Yoruba language it is important to understand Yoruba rituals. The Yoruba we speak today is modern and has lost the ancient tongue. In ancient times, communication in Yoruba language revolves around our cosmological beliefs and those beliefs were documented in art forms.

These stories of the beginning and descent are very old and dated far back into the beginning of Ife. Everyone of the story, in one version or another, is also documented in Semitic scriptures. The story of a wrongdoing in the garden of Eden, the expulsion, the divine decree, the covenant of the Kingdoms, the desecration of Earth by mankind, the flood, the drunkeness and the snatch of the sack, the noble beginnings of the races, . . . and so on and so forth. On the surface the stories are contradictory and confusing and creates division. The spirit of the story however contain one consistent and indivisible truth. In all of these too the nature of the elements is revealed to mankind. For example the fire element. It is said that Aramfe gave Ogun iron with which to soften and till the land and bring good things to mankind. In the battle between Oduduwa and Orisa, Ogun was in Oduduwa's camp. But Ogun shared his power with mankind and they learnt the secrets of the iron. But in the same narration we also learnt that Aramfe dispatched vulture to deliver fire to mankind so the goodness of it can come to their benefits. But what is fire? It is said that while man was created from earth, jinns were created from fire. Each of the element - Earth, Water, Fire, Air - exist in dual form. Duality, or two, is an essence of the cosmos itself.

When our SPIRIT is seized by fire it manifests in truth with the divine order - constructive outcomes. When our EGO is seized by fire it manifests in a different way - destructive outcomes. When you combine an EGO under the influence of fire with the power of Ogun (the secrets of iron), then you end up with cudgels and gadgets and armory for shedding blood.

I do not speak Yoruba, and I understand that sometimes the same word can mean different things ....
But the word "ARA" actually does not mean "BODY"? (in the sense of material body, physical body).
It is a question that I have been generated with the last comment.
And as always I beg you not understand I'm doing criticism, quite the contrary ... his comments shed much light to my humble knowledge.

Regarding your comment on the modern Yoruba language and the former, I have in my possession aduras to Orisa, which come from the days of slavery. It would be of interest to me that you (and why not, and other partners) give me your opinion on the dialect used in these aduras. What do you think possible?

From already thank you for your wisdom and spirit of collaboration.
I remain at your service
Very friendly

tpia@:
in all your studies, you didnt come across anything telling you african empires dealt in slaves?

Of course if you, dear friend.
Unfortunately you are right, talk about Africa is to associate it with chains and slavery. Slavery, unfortunately, I do not know if he finished in the XXI century.
I do not associate the chain of Oduduwa with slavery.
I associate African slavery, with the Arab and European chains.
Not that of Oduduwa.
That's what I pretended to express.
But perhaps you and I are talking about the same.

My respects.

shymmex: The Yoruboid group is a branch of Defoid, which itself is a branch of the Benue–Congo subfamily of the Niger–Congo language family

Dear friend:
Your article is extremely interesting, and I have read carefully.
I do not speak English, I use translator, so I may not understand all of the above. I am a researcher of culture, traditions and stories Yoruba. I've surprised a little, with his claim that the Yoruba line descended from Congo.
Could you expand a little on that?.
I would like to clarify that my only intention is to learn and exchange knowledge, I do not critique any opinion, and I'm not questioning your comment, at all!.
I am interested in having a dialogue with you.
I express my respect, and thank you for the beautiful article!

Dear friend Dudu_Negro.
His presentation is really warm hug. I always understood that Yoruba cosmology was very deep. It amazes me that some forum members, they ignore these traditions, and also consider them primitive and unintelligent. When that traditions are beautiful!.
I have read several interpretations of the origin of the universe (none as complete as yours). In one of those versions, is quoted as a chameleon, whose mission was to confirm that the land spread by the bird was really strong ... Do you think of that?

Another version relates the loss of the sack of Orisa, with palm wine ... Have you heard anything about this (P.F. Verger, "Orixas", p. 252)

The story goes that Oduduwa, have founded Ile Ife. On the other hand, would have established Orissa is still king of the Igbo.
The question is:
This "rivalry" between Oduduwa and Obatala (Orisalá), It may be representing the historical struggles between the two kingdoms?

I do not want to introduce myself in veiled land, nor I abuse your wisdom and kindness, but I would like to know your opinon.

You are a highly educated person!
It's a pleasure talking with you.
I send warm greetings!

tpia@:
chains typically are symbols for slavery, or capture.

so the chain legend probably means that.

In history there have been many chains. Of origin Arab or european .. All strings are wrong if enslaved ... This is not the case. We are talking about another topic, that you may not know. My respects.

Dudu_Negro: Ptolomeus,

Thank you for your kind words my friend. I can share quite a bit but I must also be mindful of the need to respect the veil. As I said earlier, the veil is there for a good reason.

I also see where Anonymous commented that she finds it hard to reconcile the story of Oduduwa descending from a chain. So we should start then from the chain descent. Before that, I should clarify your question on who Aramfe is.

In the sacred texts, the being of Aramfe was elaborated in the topic on 'Beginning". Aramfe, it appeared was in a separate realm that predated and distinct from the Earth realm. If you follow the narrations you will see that man was in a spiritual state of being and enlightenement. . . a state of bliss, free from want and limitations, the paradiso of man's beginnings and one which after our exit we wished and yearned to return to. The garden of Eden, so to speak!

Is Aramfe same as Olorun or was Aramfe same person as Adam, our primordial father, or could this Aramfe be Abraham? Let's study the name Aramfe itself. The first person history attributed with this name was Abraham.

To my knowledge, there are three people that GOD endowed with perfection - 1. Adam; 2. Abraham; 3. Jesus.
I am thinking that Aramfe is a title for one who is divinely perfected. See the following from the Bible and compare with the Ooni's narration of the beginning of mankind. Genesis 17




From the Odu Ifa oral, Aramfe was made in the image of GOD and was not mankind. His children when they were sent out of Eden and to Earth were reclassified and became mankind. So the story in sacred texts talking about beginning of mankind is reference to the before and after Eden.

We should now get away from this and talk about the descent from heaven.

A couple very unique position ... Extremely Be interested me! I did not have registered the name Aramfé .... Thank you very much.
In my humble opinion, the lowering of Oduduwa by the chain, is symbolic, a parable. As far as I know (you authority to confirm by tine or not) the Yoruba language is very descriptive, and is very common to hear stories like that on Oirisa ... that tells something that happened, sno that seek to explain certain situations.
This thread is wonderful.
And I have found very few pesonas in this forum who know the traditions of their origins as you.
I really congratulate you!
A big hug dear friend

The paper of the Bible is often very soft. I do not use drugs, but I know of Christians who have the habit of reading in the bathroom ... and ... having had some setbacks, they have told me that they turned to the Bible.
However, the lack of a few pages and read the story does not change.
That is the opinion of them.
Others have told me that excited a lot by reading the passages of Sodom and Gomorrah, and imagining Salome dancing.

Not the devil who tempts, but the sick mind of some people. Thus, some pastors who have se.x with prostit.utes or servants of the church, trying to save his image ... blaming the devil. The devil does not sin sin who we are. What sense does not have se.x with a beautiful woman? If we then hide in the dark to mastur.bate? or erotic dreams make us wet the bed? That too is a sin. Do not blame us the devil.

Martian: Ok, after you convince them, what will be the solution to this monumental problem of this one man not being a christian?

He's not a christian. So..............

My dear friend Olaadegbu insists.
The problem is that Obama Olaa has made things very ugly.
First, he promised to change the direction of the State, eliminating Guantanamo. and many other things ....
But Obama continues to allow torture of Arabs in Iraq, Guantanamo, and probably soon try invador to Iran in order to rape women, kill children and the elderly ... Obama continues the inhumane blockade against Cuba ... All that appears is not a Christian.
But as a pastor one day be tempted by Satan (Jimmy Swaggart) and is found with five prostit.utes, Obama is human ... But man does not mean not being a Christian. Obama is an anointed the Lord Jesus Christ. We must believe in him as the purest of Christians. I have the certainty that it will vote Olaadegbu, and he will do it with love and devotion. All Christians will vote for Obama ...

Aleluiah

In the cristian concept, it is impossible not to sin. To commit sin in thought. Therefore, the heavens will be empty forever, and hell as a bus packed at rush hour.
Buzugee I think is a kind of sense of humor, and the devil will reserve beautiful she-devils and good alcohol. Goshen360 is a good person ... he will not have problems.
Olaadegbu also a good guy, but Satan will condemn him to celibacy and teetotaler for all eternity (imagine seeing those wonderful holiday and unable to participate).
You have to be convinced. The sky is empty.
Having sex with a beautiful woman is a sin to look at a beautiful woman is a sin, think of a beautiful woman is a sin to dream of a beautiful woman is sin, and bedwetting ... is a sin ...
All go to hell. Let us friends of the devil, and ask everyone to be considerate of us.
Amen!

Nothing makes a pastor is reasonable.

[quote author=@ Toba]

Yeah,
Particularly I refer to you, who called me atheist without knowing who was speaking.

dup.

Catholic, Christian and Islamic ....
It's the same story with a different title.
Pedop.hilia and sexual deviance of all kinds ...
There are different ...
Some blame the devil who commit ra.pe, others say that Allah permits.
All garbage.

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ATMC: lol, take ur time o. Must u make a joke outta every. I go punch u o! I'm talking of something serious nd u r jonesing. On top every every, u still dey ask y cake is there...ha'ba! It's representing nah, a symbol of many tins such as d sweetness of marriage, d bitterness, unity in performance of task: d cutting. Nd this is where d issue lies...whose hand should be atop nd y. U already saw my take on dt. I wan hear ya own

Wow, my English is so bad ... I almost do not understand hahahaha!
But I know that yours is a joke. Me too I love jokes!
I liked the idea of ​​throwing the cake in the face of the groom!
Funny things can happen in a marriage ...
Perhaps the funniest thing that can happen is that a cake of multi-storey fall at the time of cutting! ...

One thing you could invent, to prevent discrimination against women is that men marry skirt, pants and women ...
But ... women do not want to change back then?
(This is a joke)
It is pleasant to talk (or write) with you.

Pastor AIO: I'm not sure it is neo-colonialism. Why? Because while we practiced our own religions and had our own governments for 400 to 500 years of our history we sold a great deal of our population into slavery, we warred against each other constantly, we failed to develop any significant infrastructures and many other failures.


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Dearest friend.
This is the first time I disagree with you.
I do not think African slavery has been the cause of traditional religions. That is to say that Yahweh is to blame the Jewish extermination in World War II.
For 400 or 500 (or more) the world was different. Everyone did the war ... It was not only in Africa.
I insist that slavery in Africa and America won the white man, the European, Arabic, and along with slavery also imposed their gods.
I do not think that the blame for everything bad in Africa has been the traditional religion, I do not think Allah Javeh or you have contributed nothing positive to Africa.
By God! what we mean?
Just to give an example (which no one is offended) .. a country like Nigeria, Petroleum! and is not getting electricity? Who is to blame for this delay? Traditional religion? The Nigerians? Or the conquistadors who took shit?
Excuse me you disagree.
I have great respect for you.
My respects.

chimithen: Wow! WOw!! WOW!!!
I feel so bad that the misconceptions here is hurting my stomach so so bad. I am not here to lecture but i will surrender myself to tackle the issues submitted here and first i must start with the idea of Christianity having something to do with a dead man....hahahahahahahah

Jesus Christ is the originator of the life style we call Christianity to day. Christ-Like is the connotation of christian and the life style of Christ on earth is what makes us more and more like Christ cause he actually became the second purest creation on earth who was born with no sin, the first was Adam. He only succeeded in the mission of working with God and attain the perfect sacrifice for the atonement of sin. hahahahahahahahahah

We do not have a particular form of worship or rule of worship cause our God is an amazing God who continues to leave us in awe in his manifestation over our life and continues to trigger a new nature within us all the time when we draw nearer to him. If you really want to understand the life of a Christian, do not look at the people you see every day cause we are never perfect, we are only living in the perfection of an already made perfect worship to God from Jesus to our father in Heaven.

Take a digestive, you may have some stomach problems.
Do not panic if you then have some diarrhea. Is normal.
Get well.

Yes it's true.
I'm not an atheist, but if I were to decide in favor of a religion, to read some comments fanatics, go to atheism.
Such is the fanaticism that display some aversive.
I do not think all Christians and Muslim are so stupid, as many who write here on the forum.

toba: repent from being an atheist and all sorrows would be gone

I am not an atheist.
But I also respect for atheists.

You missed a great opportunity to shut up.

(God has endowed man with millions of neurons and a single language ...
It teaches us that we should think before speaking ...
Would be nice if all we did)

Sorry (dup)

JeSoul: I'm sorry you keep having so much trouble with this. I think its part of the bugs or glitches with NL2. There have been reports of posters not being able to post on threads of people they are "following".

Try this.
1. On top the page that says "Followers", click on it
2. On the page, click "un-follow" on all the people/posters that you're following
3. Try again to post on those threads

Give the above a shot and let us know how if it works. Or else I'll submit a query to the admin to try to figure out what's going on with your profile. Thanks as always for being so courteous & patient, I wish I could clone you and fill the religion section with people like you it would be so peaceful.

JeSoul Thank you dear friend!
I just tried what you mentioned me.
Today I had no problems! I can hardly believe it!
My thanks go to all of you, all have been very kind to me ... I'm happy to integrate the forum!
Thank you dear friend!
And I ask you apologize for the inconvenience caused!

Image123: 1. what i know is that God is a Spirit. .

You said:
Conclusion 1. JEOVAH, YAWEH are spirits.
Conclusion 2. Those who worship spirits is spiritist.

You said it.

My respects.!

I just wonder if it is necessary to mention the Bible, to know if Mary was a virgin or not before your pregnancy to see if after calving remained virgin., ...
A little common sense ... within both blind fanaticism.

I follow closely the interesting comments from the dear fellow.

emixmasters: this topic came to mind when i watched this video titled Only in africa @

http://hitsnshit.com/?p=1044

Light will always win darkness.

A farce. Such advertisements are inspired by the Nazi publicity of the Second World War, and is very common to see fans used by Christian groups.
The pastor seems an English Lord ... Watch your vest ... is a symbol of worship of colonialists ... A black would have liked to be white ...
Regrettable.
An example of Africa that still wants to live on your knees ...
Precisely, this points to this thread ..
Against corrupt politicians and religious, as the pastor.
Live Africa Free!