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Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 4:36pm On Dec 26, 2013 |
Wallie: For the recurrent expenditure to reduce certain unpopular steps need to be taken, which most reasonable people will agree with. Yes! |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 4:34pm On Dec 26, 2013 |
Ilaje44: Correct. |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 4:29pm On Dec 26, 2013 |
slydog: We should not expect any magic from the 2014 budget in terms of capital projects. Capital projects will get N1.1 trillion in 2014 budget while the remaining N3.7 trillion will be used for recurrent expenditure - to pay the salaries and running expenses of about 2% of the population. |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 1:44pm On Dec 26, 2013 |
4 Play: I find the disingenuous posturing here laughable. The simple truth is that cutting recurrent expenditure will require huge cuts in the public sector headcount/pay and in fuel subsidies none of which is popular with those bemoaning the high recurrent spending ratio. Remember that the fuel subsidy spending is not even reflected in the ratio so our recurrent spending is even higher than is acknowledged. But does it mean we are helpless? Is government stuck? Okonjo-Iweala put it this way: She said: “Do we want to get to a stage when virtually all the monies and resources we earn are being used to pay salaries and allowances for public servants, who make up a minute percentage of the country’s population? “If we do, it means that government workers will take up the entire budget of the country with nothing left for roads, water, education and others.” http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/08/no-money-to-meet-asuus-demands-says-okonjo-iweala/ |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 1:31pm On Dec 26, 2013 |
gboss4sure: Who compares a Government responsible for just a state with a Government responsible with 36 states in all areas. Kwanso or whatever his name is should just shut de crap up You obviously commented without following the thread from the beginning. |
Politics / Re: A Thread For Christian Northerners For GEJ 2015 by Pukkah: 1:28pm On Dec 26, 2013 |
This thread is divisive. It's needless. Let's focus on issues and achievements of the government. |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 1:14pm On Dec 26, 2013 |
Iolo: If Jonathan does some drastic things like you've mentioned and then removes fuel subsidy, many people that went to Ojota would not even mind. How about making solemn promises to use the savings from subsidy removal to build specific projects in all the geo-political regions (e.g. 4th Mainland Bridge, Second Niger Bridge etc) and saying that people must hold him personally accountable for the promises? Would someone like Obasanjo have had the 'liver' to write such letters if Jonathan had been courageously and selflessly shaking up the system while making clear sacrifices? |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 12:40pm On Dec 26, 2013 |
nellycobs: What is the rubbish about his capital project that includes match making of widows and widowers to produce almajaris. Akwaibom did 30:70 and the projects can be seen. Failed governors looking for who to blame. What's the proof that the capital budget includes match making of widows? There's no government in Nigeria (LGAs, states and the FG) that can't save more money from its recurrent expenditure. The level of waste is unbelievable! The Akwa Ibom government you mentioned is where the Governor gives people millions for Mr Biggs lunch and assembled 9,999 choristers for carol! Let's be honest, is that not an overkill? |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 12:34pm On Dec 26, 2013 |
taharqa: Let me just say that d 72% Recurrent figure proposed for this yr is troubling and personali disappointing, esp as it is a very unwelcome reversal of this Govt's yearly reduction of d Recurrent from 77.1% in 2010 when it came in to 68% this yr. I wud hv loved to discuss furda but can't type more at d moment; wud just enjoy u guys disagree and hopefully agree at sm points ie Debate..... I salute you for this objectivity. I strongly believe that the government can do more for the people of Nigeria with the same level of revenue but it must be business unusual. |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 12:21pm On Dec 26, 2013 |
Sincere 9gerian: I think that all things considered, your views here are balanced. However, there are more things the government can do to make more money available for development. If you move round the country, outside the offices, you will pity Nigerians. People are suffering! The type of budget we are running cannot develop Nigeria even if you make an angel the President of Nigeria and President Jonathan must urgently do something about it IF he wants to develop the country or even start the process. It was brilliant of him to compose the Oronsaye Committee which later produced a report of about 800 pages and stated that the cost of governance in Nigeria was among the highest in the world! What's happening to the implementation of that report? I admit that government is reportedly making some progress with respect to ghost workers but that's like scratching the surface. What we need is a bold overhaul of the entire system. |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 12:05pm On Dec 26, 2013 |
Goddex: Are you admitting that the propaganda machine of opposition is more effective than that of the Federal Government? You said 'a few of the reforms during OBJ were all done in his second term'. Does it mean he did most in his first term? This would contradict what you're trying to say. By the way, privatization, monetization and banking reforms started in OBJ's first term. I think the demolition in Abuja also started then. Amosun is demolishing houses in Ogun state too and he's in his first term. A decisive government will do what has to be done. Simple. The majority will support Jonathan once they can SEE that his reforms are for the common good. President Jonathan was massively popular as at the time he won the election with his party having an overwhelming majority in the National Assembly. I don't think he fully tapped into those strengths to effect major transformational changes in the system. 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 11:51am On Dec 26, 2013 |
Goddex: More than half of the people at Ojota went there to protest not because of mere subsidy removal but because government was also insensitive in terms of its own expenditure. People were outraged to hear about the details of the budget to the extent that mechanics were quoting figures. People were asking 'what sacrifice has this government that wants us to make sacrifice made'? Even now, what sacrifice has the government made? Can't the Jonathan government do anything about its own expenditure, eg jets? Fasola restricted the working hours of okada in his first term and carried people along before restricting them from major roads. He was careful not to ban them outrightly. The average Lagosian saw no sense in okadas playing highways and so what Fasola did was really a no brainer which people generally accepted because they were highly informed. Who in his right senses would oppose a Jonathan government that wants to reduce the cost of governance after carrying people along and making its own sacrifice? Even the opposition would be disgraced if they try to frustrate him. But is he also ready? And pls reduce your font size. 3 Likes |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 11:46am On Dec 26, 2013 |
OAM4J: Thanks. And where is the person saying people have not been making suggestions? These are suggestions here o. By the way, it's not compulsory for the people to make suggestions. The leadership of the country is voluntary and is not for the faint-hearted. The social contract is for the government to protect lives and properties and ensure the welfare of the people. |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 10:20am On Dec 26, 2013 |
awodman: Does Kwankwaso have the Military,Police, SSS and other security agencies under his payroll? These are mere excuses. Someone could also reverse the argument and ask if Kano earns as much as the FG? The question is: are we stuck with an unhealthy 72% in favour of recurrent expenditure? Are you defending this? Is the government helpless? The truth is that no government (whether or not Jonathan is the one there; or whether it is PDP or APC) can develop the country with this kind of budget. There's no magic wand. If this kind of budget continues, millions of Nigeria will continue to rightly blame the government for non-performance. Nigerians are suffering and poverty and unemployment levels are unacceptable and scandalous. Something has to give! What's the transformational government of Jonathan doing to change the status quo and shake up the system? 7 Likes |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 10:09am On Dec 26, 2013 |
since_1914: Even government agencies that are capable of funding part of their own expenditures will fold their hands and wait for Ministry of Finance to fund them. Take the case of Nigerian Embassies for instance, how much do they remit back to the Federation account from the Visas fees and other levies that are being collected. You've raised very good points. So many of the MDAs are not even remitting funds. It's not clear what a number of them that are known to be cash cows are doing with the money. This is a shocking excerpt: At least, 11 of the agencies have been declaring losses every year and, therefore, have not been remitting anything to the CRF. They included agencies widely known by the public as veritable cash cows for the federal government. For the past three years, notably, high-flying, huge revenue generators like the NNPC, Customs Service, BPE, NIMASA, NERC, FAAN, Nigerian Immigration Service (NIS) and Nigerian Broadcasting Commission (NBC) have not paid a kobo into the CRF. The Federal Inland Revenue Service (FIRS), rather than pay its operating surplus to the CRF as listed by law, has been sending it to the Federation Account. http://sundaytrust.com.ng/index.php/top-stories/14674-nnpc-npa-nimasa-others-not-remitting-surplus-internally-generated-revenue 3 Likes |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 9:56am On Dec 26, 2013 |
Kingspin: The headline is laughble. To me, it look like a personify beef. Is a party?. I agree that the headline 'get as e be' and is capable of turning this useful topic into a political fight. But is there any patriotic Nigerian that's not concerned about the issues at stake? The bitter truth is that the Jonathan government will never perform if the recurrent expenditure remains at this level. |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 9:46am On Dec 26, 2013 |
Iolo: A transformational government will leave no stone unturned to change the status quo. We would not be discussing this if we wanted to sustain or defend the status quo which everyone knows is crippling and cannot deliver development. For example, Sanusi Lamido once made the following statements: “At the moment 70 per cent of Federal Government’s revenue goes for payment of salaries and entitlement of civil servants, leaving 30 per cent for development of 167 million Nigerians. That means that for every naira government earns, 70 kobo is consumed by civil servants." Is this not scary? What's government's plan to address this bad case? What's government doing to reduce the expenditure on the National Assembly? A transformational government would engage the key actors and try to bring down the costs. But is the government also showing good examples in its own expenditure profile and tolerance for corruption? 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 9:37am On Dec 26, 2013 |
revolt: one of the hardest things to do is attempting to sack a civil servant, Cos they're statutorily backed up the only solution is to remove the most tasking sectors from government hand ie deregulation and what happened in nitel will simply take place. okonjo tried some of these and people went to occupy ojota. Nigerians are myopic bunch, that shoots themselves in the foot. demagogues sway them cheaply What has happened to the Oronsaye Committee report? Why was the Committee set up if the report would be left to gather dust? http://www.punchng.com/news/oronsaye-report-fg-may-scrap-220-agencies-others/ Why is government finding it difficult to restructure for efficiency? The Oronsaye report stated that the average cost of governance in Nigeria is believed to rank among the highest in the world. Oronsaye said: ``For example, there are 541 Government Parastatals, Commissions and Agencies (statutory and non-statutory). ``Going by the recommendations of the Committee, the figure of statutory agencies is being proposed for reduction to 161 from the current figure of 263. http://www.businessdayonline.com/NG/index.php/news/76-hot-topic/36052-oronsaye-committee-recommends-abolition-of-32-fg-agencies-merger-of-53-others Do you know the extent to which people are suffering in Nigeria? By the way, what did Okonjo-Iweala do that made people occupy Ojota? Also, where did you get the impression that civil servants can't be sacked? 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 9:20am On Dec 26, 2013 |
Goddex: Hahahaha. . . so, suddenly Kwakwanso, Wamakko and other PDP renegades are now the toast of APC media? Fools, hypocritical Propagandists. Back to the point anyway At first I wanted to ignore your post because of its arrogance. Why would you label people posting here as 'mumus' who don't know the workings of the government? Do you know them? The most knowledgeable people don't write off others or make condescending remarks about them. Now to the topic. All the points you made will be cancelled by this words from none less than Vice President Namadi Sambo. Hear him: "The recurrent expenditures will be trimmed further from 71.5 per cent in 2012, to about 68.7 per cent in the 2013 budget, while the capital vote is expected to increase to 31.3 per cent from 28.5 per cent in 2012." http://www.punchng.com/business/business-economy/well-reduce-recurrent-expenditure-to-68-7-sambo/ What's your comment on this? Why is the ratio worsening? You claimed minimum wage was effected in 2011 but Sambo made his remarks after then! Where is the effect of the reduction in fuel subsidy payments on recurrent expenditure? You also mentioned minimum wage. Didn't states implement the minimum wage? You mentioned inflation rate. Did the inflation rate affect only the FG? It's good anyway that you said the rate later stabilized. There's no point politicizing this topic. Nigeria belongs to all regardless of political party divide. It's pointless to label people with dissenting views as haters, opposition or enemies. 20 Likes |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 8:05am On Dec 26, 2013 |
In Okonjo-Iweala's own words: She said: “When I left the administration last time (2006), we left a recurrent expenditure level of about 66 per cent, which was even considered to be too high back then. However, upon my second coming this year, I was surprised to find that recurrent expenditure in the budget has risen to more than 74 per cent. This is unacceptable.” http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/12/we-must-cut-recurrent-budget-okonjo-iweala-insists/ This says a lot about the way this government spends money and controls recurrent expenditure. 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 7:53am On Dec 26, 2013 |
Iolo: The only way to balance the National budget is to reduce recurrent expenditure. Obviously you know the Government would have to sack staff to accomplish this. Sacking of staff is not the only way to reduce recurrent expenditure. In any case, why can't unproductive people be sacked? Why can't ghost workers and ghost pensioners be fished out? A budget that funds recurrent expenditure to the tune of 72% can never develop Nigeria. This unacceptable lopsidedness is one of the reasons people are not feeling the impact of the FG. What can 28% achieve? How can a budget of 72% in recurrent expenditure create jobs? As at 2006, recurrent expenditure was 66% of the budget and this level was even considered too high then. Again, this is not Okonjo-Iweala's promise. She did tell us that government was resolved to reduce recurrent expenditure. What's happening! https://www.nairaland.com/821355/must-cut-recurrent-budget-okonjo-iweala @op, the recurrent expenditure in the budget is 72% and not 78%. http://www.punchng.com/news/okonjo-iweala-presents-n4-6tr-budget-to-national-assembly/ 3 Likes |
Politics / Re: Jonathan Hits Back At Obasanjo Again by Pukkah: 11:28pm On Dec 25, 2013 |
^^You've not made any sense! You've not even demonstrated an understanding of what is being discussed. The only person that has talked carelessly and senselessly here is your poor and miserable self. What's wrong with your head is worse than the sickness with Jonathan's impromptu speeches. Your conduct is indeed shameful! What a country. I said his handlers should advise him to limit the number or length of his impromptu speeches and you're here saying nonsense! What's bad in my opinion? Show it or keep quiet for ever. The way President Jonathan carries on with his speeches should be embarassing to his 'real' friends and all independent-minded, patriotic Nigerians. 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Jonathan Hits Back At Obasanjo Again by Pukkah: 11:05pm On Dec 25, 2013 |
And he DID NOT keep it short! He seems not to know his failing and the fact that he sweats too profusely with words! He said, “As we celebrate Christmas, we call you to prayer for peace not just for yourself or the nation but also for the world. “We should pray for agents of war, bloodletting and hostilities. Let us pray that God will restrain the powers of evil. “How many Nigerians can Togo, Dahomey, Ghana, Sierra Leone, Liberia absolve as refugees? It is important for Nigerians to ensure peace reigns here because we have nowhere to go. God has given us the best of places, it is in our interest to maintain it. “I charge you to work for peace. We must be grateful to God by living responsibly, not conducting ourselves as if nothing can happen. “Do not join anybody to cause trouble or confusion because you may be the recipient and there is no where to go. Some of you don’t even have international passports. But those who are instigating you have bank accounts and houses abroad. They will run there and come back when things have settled down. You may not be alive then. “Do not join evil doers, it is not part of Christmas. Refugees are not the best set of people. Don’t make yourself a refugee.” |
Politics / Re: Jonathan Hits Back At Obasanjo Again by Pukkah: 11:03pm On Dec 25, 2013 |
I don't know why our President (Mr Goodluck Jonathan, PhD) struggles with speeches and labours to communicate. What exactly is the problem? The pains with clear delivery is so obvious and embarassing! “When Christ was born, the Jews were told that God was giving them a King, a saviour, these are the key words." “Today because we are used to reading the Bible, immediately you hear of the word ‘saviour,’ you will think about Christ and the characteristics of Christ. “The Jews were being dominated by the Romans, it was like when we were under the colonial master, the Romans were governing them so they were in captive and you tell them that we are getting a king that will deliver you, we are getting a saviour, they were thinking they were getting somebody who will come and lead them to war and throw away all these Romans for them to be free. “But when Christ was born, I believe a number of the Jews were disappointed, the war they expected was not his own style. I think it is only in one place that Christ was quoted as carrying the cane and flogged people in the synagogue where people were trading and doing all kinds of things that are not expected in the House of God. “So today, we have similar situation. The expectations of the society are hadly met by leaders.” |
Politics / Re: Jonathan Hits Back At Obasanjo Again by Pukkah: 10:59pm On Dec 25, 2013 |
Other excerpts... “In terms of Nigeria if we have crisis, the Primate was asking if Ghana or Sierra Leone could accommodate us. “I was just laughing because even now Nigerians in these countries, the people are not even comfortable, we don’t have crisis but from Cameroon to Senegal, Nigerians are everywhere that the countries if not for political and diplomatic reasons they would have even asked some of them to leave. “Then assuming we have crisis, what would be the state, where will you go? Is it the Atlantic Ocean? So I urge you to continue to pray." |
Politics / Re: Jonathan Hits Back At Obasanjo Again by Pukkah: 10:56pm On Dec 25, 2013 |
Someone should please tell Mr Jonathan to stop talking extempore. He's simply unable to stitch his thoughts together to deliver a coherent, clear, and inspiring speech. The rambling from an ex-lecturer is exasperating. See excerpts from the church service: "For us at this time especially we the politicians that we think we own this country and begin to think about next election and doing what we ought not to do, making statement we ought not to make, writing letters we suppose not to write." “For those who know about terrorism, country that are infested with terror will hardly get out of it. If you look a country like Pakistan, we even go to Pakistan to train our soldiers, in some parts of Pakistan as we are talking now, they appear to be no government. So this country could have been worst." 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Jonathan Hits Back At Obasanjo Again by Pukkah: 10:44pm On Dec 25, 2013 |
Pukkah: Lack-lustre reply from a fidgety, uninspiring godson to an overbearing, over-rated, 'messiahnic', and meddlesome godfather. Another salvo from a lukewarm, incoherent godson to his estranged, intrusive godfather. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: President Jonathan's Food-Poisoning Suit In Gambian Court by Pukkah: 8:47pm On Dec 25, 2013 |
The display of ignorance on this thread is amazing. Jonathan was not poisoned! Those talking about APC, Obasanjo, Amaechi, enemies should be ashamed of themselves. The funny thing is that even after this clarification, more people will still come here to exhibit their ignorance. |
Politics / Re: 2015: Buhari Must Become APC Presidential Candidate, Says Yerima by Pukkah: 3:57pm On Dec 25, 2013 |
ba7man: This pedophile/ pervert should get lost jooor. Did you read the piece at all? |
Politics / Re: Breaking News! Jonathan Wooed To Become Biafra First President by Pukkah: 3:48pm On Dec 25, 2013 |
kel4soft: Biafra is dead and buried. There is no way, Rivers, Akwa Ibom, Delta, Edo, Bayelsa and Cross River will accept to merge into the SouthEast to one country. The present Edo state was not part of Biafra. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Breaking News! Jonathan Wooed To Become Biafra First President by Pukkah: 3:46pm On Dec 25, 2013 |
"According to investigations (see part of the Nigerian Amalgamation correspondence by Fredrick Lugard), the amalgamation was meant to last for only 100 years, after which Nigerians will renegotiate their coexistence" Please is there an evidence for the part quoted above? |
Business / Re: Is CBN Hoarding The Lesser Bills In The Economy? by Pukkah: 3:38pm On Dec 25, 2013 |
WHIZBRO: If you are rich, you won't care. Pray to baba God to bless your hustle. What's the definition of being 'rich' to the extent that you won't need the 'divisibility' function of lower bills? The richest countries of the world still have lower bills. |
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