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SIRTee15:
Why should I doubt it?
Give me evidence why I should doubt it.
It's not just how U feel

You no go believe am khe?

They don package books by anonymous authors for you as scripture, u gats believe every inch of it..

SIRTee15:
I don't consider psalm 91 a messianic psalm. It's a poetic psalm that's applicable to everybody.

Some Christians may have attributed it as such but it's not amongst the messianic passages as per 2nd temple Jews.
Pre Christian Jews do not see it as a messianic prophecy.

Besides no messianic prophecy defines the whole of the Messiah ministry.
So I don't get the point of your argument at all.

Do messianic prophecies come with messianic stamp?

In Matthew 4, we are told devil try to tempt Jesus by asking him to jump off the highest point of the temple, he said to him "If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning YOU,  and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

And Jesus replied "It is ALSO written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.

And we know for a fact that the verse used by the devil is Psalm 91, and Jesus did not deny that the psalm is about him, infact he affirmed it by replying with: it is ALSO written

Coincidentally, this psalm is all about someone that will be in danger of death and will pray to God and God will save him miraculously and this Psalm also foreshadow the name of Jesus.

And we are told Jesus was praying to God, He prostrated and ask God to take the cup of death away from him.

SIRTee15:
I think the council of Jerusalem is one of the most misunderstood passage in the bible.
And this is because people confuse Acts 15 and Acts 21.
Now I can't bring the whole chapters here but will advise U to read both and cure your own if ignorance.
Now I will summarise both chapters here starting with acts 15.

Acts 15
Paul was summoned to Jerusalem to explain the disagreement going on about circumcision amongst gentiles.

Paul went to Jerusalem and defended his stance that gentiles should not be circumcised.
Jewish Christians of Pharisee background countered and insisted gentiles should be circumcised.
The disciples of Jesus including Peter and James agreed with Paul and wrote a letter to the gentiles that no one should burden them with circumcision and any other mosaic law apart from eating food offered to idols, sexual immorality and strangled animals.

The council of Jerusalem clearly concluded and agreed with Paul that the gentiles do not need to be circumcised and so not need to follow the mosaic law.

Acts 21, James reiterated that gentile Christians are not bound to follow the mosaic law but Jewish Christians still need to follow the tradition and culture of their ancestors.
That was the bone of contention in acts 21 and not Paul's message which is targeted towards gentile Christians.


U guys will do anything to vilify Paul but will conveniently agree with other messages that validates Paul's teaching.

In acts 10, The Lord spoke to Peter on a vision

11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

So what will U say about above....

I'm not sure I can trust the book of act as it was written by Luke who was Paul disciple. The book is better called acts of Paul sef rather than the acts of the apostle. Because its all Paul.
I believe it was only written to push the narrative that all is good between Paul and the Original apostles, Which I believe is not the case.

It is evidently Clear from writings of Paul that he was in constant conflict with some other people teaching the message of Jesus Christ.
He even refer to them as "Super apostles" in a derogatory manner.

SIRTee15:
Didn't Isaiah 53 confirmed God indeed saved Jesus?
because I don't get your point.

This is part of Psalm 91

You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked.

If you say, “The Lord is my refuge,”  and you make the Most High your dwelling,

no harm will overtake you, no disaster will come near your tent.

For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways;

 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

You will tread on the lion and the cobra;you will trample the great lion and the serpent.

“Because he loves me,” says the Lord, “I will rescue him;I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

He will call on me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble,

I will deliver him and honor him.

With long life I will satisfy him and show him my salvation.”

Can you reconcile this passage with Christainity understanding of the Messiah? Because this look more like Islam Jesus than Christainity Jesus.

Can you reconcile this passage with suffering servant of Isaiah 53?

SIRTee15:
Have not heard of spiritual offspring?

John 1.12

Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.

I don't think that part is talking about spiritual children.

If the verse is talking about spiritual children it won't be talking about prolonging his days.

SIRTee15:
Paul is very correct. Jesus said the same thing.

He made it clear only his flesh and blood can guarantee eternal life.

John 6
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

And you believe this statement attributed to Jesus is historical?

Does this not look like a cult initiation?

SIRTee15:
Isaiah 53, the suffering servant.
That's what changed.

Forget about Jesus, those who wrote isaiah 53 didn't know any Jesus.

So let's dissect Isaiah 53 without Jesus bias. Let's analyse the chapter as if both don't know any one called Jesus Christ.

Now let me ask U, who is the protagonist in Isaiah 53.
Is he a man, a nation or a group of people.

What does Isaiah 53.12b mean

For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

What exactly do U infer from this verse.

Other things U said already addressed, no need for repetition.

What I am saying is that Isaiah 53 can not be reconcile with Psalm 91 a confirmed known prophecy about Jesus, the prophecy even foreshadow his name.

You can not read Psalm 91 and believe it is the same person that was beaten, spat on, crowned with thorns, nailed to the cross and pierced with spear except if God don't keep to his promise, and we both know God always keep to his promise.

SIRTee15:
Now let me start with U.
Explain Isaiah 53 to me...
Who is the suffering servant describe in Isaiah 53?

U guys are just ransacking the old testament to justify your human sacrifice doctrine.

Is this part of Isaiah 53 not problematic?
Or are we just going to pretend it is not there?

"he will see his offspring and prolong his days"

Did Jesus have offspring we don't know about?

And how do you reconcile Psalm 91 a prophecy that was thrown at Jesus and he confirmed it is a prophecy about him, how do you reconcile that with this suffering servant of Isaiah 53 that is supposed to see his offspring?

SIRTee15:
Yes, answer above.
Now on this passage. Can U tell me exactly what Jesus said when his disciples asked him ':how can we be saved'? Go back to the passage and and tell me Jesus exact response to the question.

Paul was actually asked the same question in act 16. And his answer was "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household"

Is this the same answer as Jesus answer to the Man in Matthew 19?

SIRTee15:
Why did God tell the Israelites to atone for their sins with animal blood of he already gave them the commandments to follow for salvation.
Why tell them to sacrifice animals if all that's needed for salvation is obedience to commandment?

Even if animal blood was used for atonement in the old testament. It is obvious God is against human sacrifice in the old testament. What changed?

SIRTee15:
Jesus never preached obedience to commandment as a way to salvation, that's in your head.
Otherwise, what commandment did the criminal on the cross obey when Jesus promised him paradise.
What good work did zaccheus implement when Jesus told him salvation has entered your home today.
What commandment did the woman who announced Jesus obey when Jesus told her 'woman your faith has saved you'

That Jesus preached works as requirement to salvation is another gist from our mosques not backed by gospel scriptures.

I'm not even sure you know what you are talking about.
So how do you reconcile this statement of yours that Jesus never preached obedience to commandments as a way to salvation with Jesus saying in Matthew 5:19 that whoever does not follow the law and teaches other not to follow the law will be called least in the kingdom of Heaven?

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SIRTee15:
U are saying the same thing as Paul, a sincere faith is what gets U to heaven

No, I'm not saying the same thing as Paul.
It is obvious from Paul's writings that he is against the following of Jewish laws. Paul believed salvation and forgiveness of sin now revolves around the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ that the law is a curse. Which I believe is the reason Christains are Christain today and not Jew.

And it is very problematic when you compare Paul teachings with the saying attributed to Jesus in Matthew 5:19
"Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven"

Paul believed the law is no more biding and he was summoned to Jerusalem because of that teaching. He was told to do some rituals to prove to people he is not against following the law and he obliged like a hypocrite.

Thanks to Paul, Some Christain now enjoy pork delicacies.

Some Christain now believe circumcision that is everlasting covenant between God and Abraham as not really that important.

SIRTee15:
That he died b4 doing any works changes nothing. If evidence of work is needed to enter heaven, Allah will make provision for that one way or another.
If Allah can allow one to enter paradise without works it shows it's NOT A MANDATORY REQUIREMENT.

don't get it twisted. Let's assume after taking the shahada, then he just continue living without offering the 5 daily salat, he refuse to fast during the month of Ramadan, he has the wealth to perform hajj he refuse, he has the wealth enough to pay zakat he refuse to pay. He will be punish. So it is a MANDATORY REQUIREMENT.

SIRTee15:
So how is this different from what Paul teach.
Paul aldo said the exact same thing.
That what U need to enter heaven is faith and not works.

Your works won't get U into heaven, it's your faith that happens the door of paradise for U.

Is that not what U said above antichristian, so how come U arguing with Paul when U both said the same thing.

FAITH AND NOT WORKS IS WHAT WILL GET YOU TO HEAVEN.

U even said by his faith, his sins will be wiped out by Allah.
Holy Christ, is that not what Paul also teach. That we become righteous by faith. We become saved by faith.

So where is all this anti-Paul coming from when U even agree with his teaching.

U Muslims are very confused. U guys should swallow your pride and come to Christ.
It's obvious Muslims are realising the islamic teaching makes.no sense.

There is no confusion there.

The case of a man that died shortly after shahada is a different case, he doesn't have time to put in the work. All that matter is the sincerity of his shahada.

It is faith and work that give you paradise in Islam and I believe that's exactly what Jesus preached as in the case of the man in Mathew 19 16-26.

If the same man meet Paul at a later time and ask the same question about salvation, do you think Paul would give the same answer as Jesus?

Which also begs the questions

If Jesus is going about telling people to follow the commandments as a way to salvation then why exactly did he need to die?

Teaching people the Lord's prayer "And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us" why exactly did he need to die?

Steep:
How come your stupid Koran acknowledge Paul as servant of Allah?

وَاضْرِبْ لَهُمْ مَثَلًا أَصْحَابَ الْقَرْيَةِ إِذْ جَاءَهَا الْمُرْسَلُون١٣
إِذْ أَرْسَلْنَا إِلَيْهِمُ اثْنَيْنِ فَكَذَّبُوهُمَا فَعَزَّزْنَا بِثَالِثٍ فَقَالُوا إِنَّا إِلَيْكُمْ مُرْسَلُونَ١٤
قَالُوا مَا أَنْتُمْ إِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِثْلُنَا وَمَا أَنْزَلَ الرَّحْمَٰنُ مِنْ شَيْءٍ إِنْ أَنْتُمْ إِلَّا تَكْذِبُونَ١٥
قَالُوا رَبُّنَا يَعْلَمُ إِنَّا إِلَيْكُمْ لَمُرْسَلُونَ١٦
وَمَا عَلَيْنَا إِلَّا الْبَلَاغُ الْمُبِينُ١٧
And put forward to them a similitude; the Dwellers of the Town, when there came Messengers to them (13)
When We sent to them two Messengers, they denied them both; so We reinforced them with a third, and they said: "Verily, we have been sent to you as Messengers. (14)
They said: "You are only human beings like ourselves, and the Most Gracious has revealed nothing. You are only telling lies. (15)
The Messengers said: "Our Lord knows that we have been sent as Messengers to you, (16)
"And our duty is only to convey plainly. (17)

The Story of the Dwellers of the Town and Their Messengers, a Lesson that Those Who belied Their Messengers were destroyed

Allah says, 'O Muhammad, tell your people who disbelieve in you,'

مَثَلًا أَصْحَابَ الْقَرْيَةِ إِذْ جَاءَهَا الْمُرْسَلُونَ

(a similitude; the Dwellers of the Town, when there came Messengers to them.) In the reports that he transmitted from Ibn 'Abbas, Ka'b Al-Ahbar and Wahb bin Munabbih – Ibn Ishaq reported that it was the city of Antioch, in which there was a king called Antiochus the son of Antiochus the son of Antiochus, who used to worship idols. Allah sent to him three Messengers, whose names were Sadiq, Saduq and Shalum, and he disbelieved in them. It was also narrated from Buraydah bin Al-Husayb, 'Ikrimah, Qatadah and Az-Zuhri that it was Antioch. Some of the Imams were not sure that it was Antioch, as we shall see below after telling the rest of the story, if Allah wills.

إِذْ أَرْسَلْنَا إِلَيْهِمُ اثْنَيْنِ فَكَذَّبُوهُمَا

(When We sent to them two Messengers, they denied them both means, they hastened to disbelieve in them.

فَعَزَّزْنَا بِثَالِثٍ

(so We reinforced them with a third,) means, 'We supported and strengthened them with a third Messenger. ' Ibn Jurayj narrated from Wahb bin Sulayman, from Shu'ayb Al-Jaba'i, "The names of the first two Messengers were Sham'un[Peter] and Yuhanna[John], and the name of the third was Bulus[Paul], and the city was Antioch (Antakiyah).

فَقَالُوا

(and they said) means, to the people of that city,

إِنَّا إِلَيْكُمْ مُرْسَلُونَ

(Verily, we have been sent to you as Messengers.) meaning, 'from your Lord Who created you and Who commands you to worship Him Alone with no partners or associates.' This was the view of Abu Al-'Aliyah. Qatadah bin Di'amah claimed that they were messengers of the Messiah, peace be upon him, sent to the people of Antioch.

Wake up from your dream bro!

They have lied to you.

You can not reconcile Paul teachings with the teachings of the Qur'an.

Qur'an did not acknowledge Paul, Paul is not mentioned in the Qur'an.

What you are quoting is someone commentary.

Leemzyy:
You even get time 2 wrtite this 4 some hypocrate

Wetin we go do na

At least to drill the truth into their skull once in a while.

PROVERBZ:
our understanding of this scripture is that Muslims would tell us that their Isa bin Mariam is Jesus in the last days. We are warned not to believe them.

Lol

Paul claimed he saw Jesus in the wilderness and you believe him anyway despite the forewarning. The joke is on you bro.

PROVERBZ:
We are told that God would pour out his spirit into the world and people would dream dreams and for this reason we believe when non believers like Muslims receive intervention through dreams.

Delulu

PROVERBZ:
Guys, I met this guy online and he is scared and looking for answers. He wants to know if Jesus is calling him to Christianity or It’s a warning of his imminent death.
At first I thought he was not serious because he kept asking if Jesus wanted to kill him.
God has never used me before to bring someone to him and I am unsure of what to do.

He claims he was in a coffin with two people trying to bury him and then the lord appeared with his eyes as bright as. The lord proceeded to wave to him and he felt something leave his body.


I am certain the lord is calling him as this has happened with Muslims plenty of times.

What advice do you give me to give him? I’m not sure I can be the best spiritual guardian to him cuz I myself do not feel worthy.

Cc antichristian antiislam

You guys don come with your non-existent Muslim having a non existent dream about Jesus.

What happened to Matthew 24:26?

"So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it."

Your guy probably see something else, just like Paul on his way to Damascus.

annyplenty:
Nobody can say for sure because the scripture did not mention the reason, explicitly, but it could be that because Ishmael was not gotten through the promise of God. Perhaps, God did not reckon with Him

It could also be that God could have seen that Satan might plan to steal the covenant that God plan to transfer f on Abraham to His offspring, as we can see now, that the muslims are claiming that it was Ishmael God asked Abraham to sacrifice when in actual fact, it was Isaac.

Nice guess work!

So why did God promise to make Ishmael a great nation when Abraham prayed to God to make Ishmael live before God?

Do you think the great nation God promise Ishmael is going to be a Pagan nation?

And I will like to know where is the great nation God promise Ishmael?

And why was Jesus telling the Jews the kingdom of God is going to be taken away from them? Is Jesus working with Satan by trying to steal the covenant from the Jews or Jesus did not know they have an everlasting covenant with God? And which new nation is the kingdom of God given to?

May 21 :43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

TenQ:
Mohammed never read the Torah not the Psalms nor the Injeel. However, he heard stories from many of his slaves some of them who were Christians and some of the stories he put in the Qur'an are from the Jews and other far away legends like the legend of Alexander the Great or the Legend of the seven sleepers. Anything he thought was interesting was put in the Quran in form of SAJA

It was said that many of the poets in Mohammed's time made fun of him because his Saja wasn't good. SAJA was the style of literatures Poets used in presenting their songs (more like Rap Music). Mohammed latter banned any arabs from using Saja poetry so that the Qur'an remains the only surviving Saja compilation of the Arabs.

Some people insinuate that the bulk of the Quran was initially a hymn to Christ (in one of the Syriac languages)which was later modified piece by piece to become the Qur'an;in Arabic. They insinuate that this is why some parts of the Qur'an is actually meaningless unless one look at it from the Syriac languages.

These are still too deep for me so that I keep my fingers crossed and deal with the one I know.

What is this?

There is no way one who listen to the likes of Jay Smith and not lose some gray matter.

See all the gibberish you are vomiting!

TenQ:
If Islam is the Light, why is it based on LIES?

Why is it called an Abrahamic religion when there is no connection with Abraham?

Abraham pray to God in Genesis 17:18 for Ishmael to live before God and God promise Ishmael a great nation

Is God promise of a great nation going to be Idolatry pagan nation?

Where is the great nation God promise Ishmael in Genesis 17:20?

TenQ:
Why will Allah first allow you to spend time in Hell before removing you?

Why would Allah use Christians and Jews as your ransom rather than Atheists and Idolaters?

What is the Light of Islam when no Muslim can guarantee to enter paradise?

Keep on wailing bro, you go wail tire!

TenQ:
Why do you Muslims hate the Truth this much?
Even according to you Muslims, 90% of your hadiths are fabricated. Your scholars cannot even agree on basic doctrines all because of lies

Knowing about the characters: Is it possible that Mohammed or Jesus be the BEST example for mankind?

Seems you are mistaken
This is our 5 basic doctrines
1 Profession of Faith (shahada). The belief that "There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God"
2 Prayer (salat)
3 Alms (zakat)
5 Fasting (sawm)
6 Pilgrimage (hajj)
Councils were not held, we did not take a vote for those doctrines

Over 300 years after Jesus left, they were still holding councils on the nature of Jesus, they even took a vote on the nature of Jesus; and they waited another 56 years to perfect your doctrine of trinity by adding the spooky ghost to the mix.

Stop throwing stones at people living in brick house while you are living in an open shelter.

TenQ:
Unfortunately, the spirit of lies and deception prevent most Muslims from acknowledging the truth even when clearly presented to them. They are just used to defending Islam, Mohammed and Allah with lies

Q9:32. They wish to extinguish Allah’s light with their mouths, but Allah will only allow His light to be perfected, even to the dismay of the disbelievers.

There is nothing you can do about Islam, y'all been wailing since the days of Abu Jahl, your forefather in Kufr. You will just keep on wailing and wailing and wailing till Yawm al-Qiyamah the day of your grand wailing.

When are you going to learn it is a futile effort trying to bring Islam down?

TenQ:
Unfortunately for you,
The Ruh (Ruach) or Spirit in Christianity and Judaism is different from the Ruh in Islam.
God is a Spirit and the father of All Spirits. God's Angels are Spirits. Human beings are Bodies which has the Soul and Spirit. When God's spirit comes upon a man, Power is released to such a man.

In Christianity and Judaism, God is a SPIRIT.

God put part of Himself into Adam and Adam became a LIVING SOUL!

In Islam;
1. Is Allah a SPIRIT?
NO!
2. Jibril is the Holy Spirit!
Angels are not made of Spirit (they are made from fire), therefore Jibril was made from fire and thus NOT a spirit!

I challenge you to show me any passage of the Quran where Allah claim that Jibril is the Holy Spirit?
Is it untrue that the only one categorically called a spirit in Islam is Isa?


But the problem now is:

Did Allah breathe Jibril into Adam?

What is Ruach (Ruh) according to Judaism and Christianity?

Do Jews believe the Holy spirit (RU'AH HA-KODESH) Is God too like the trinitarian Christains?

You said God is a Spirit in Christainity, by God do you mean the Father? Or do you mean The Father, Son and Holy spirit are all Spirits?

And Angels are made from Light and not Fire in Islam.

Mourinho 9 years unbeaten run at home is unreal, it is marvelous

SIRTee15:
I've seen U oga...
Now answer my question..

U guys claim Muhammed told U guys to be licking the black stone. No problem.

But if U see a traditional worshipper kissing an ancestral sacred stone..is it idolatry?

Your argument is flawed Oga, stop feeling yourself.

Do you know how many pagan religions believe in the concept of dying and rising man-god.

Or how many pagan religions believe in the concept of human sacrifice to appease god?

Does that make Christainity a pagan religion?

We are instructed to face the Kaaba, there is evidence for that in the Qur'an.

Anything wey happen from here

We don try, we did not bottle... Mancity is just devilish. They need to be expel from the EPL.

COYG!!!

AbuTwins:
Too many people with low IQ around!
The "I am" statements should be followed by a metaphor!

Salam Bro

It is very tiring to debate this people.

They will know what you are talking about but they will pretend as if they are dull just to reject the truth. Once you notice that behaviour, just ignore them. Don't allow them drag you down the rabbit hole.

Tottenham Una sell this match
Na God go punish Una

No champions League football at white hart lane for the next 20yrs.

Antilslaam:
Nahnu is still royal we in Arabic, I've told you go and read the history of royal we and stop defending nonsense

Below are the partners of allah as read in Quran, just read and be fine

Quran 37:153 Muhammad Asad
“He has chosen daughters in preference to sons”

Quran 37:153 Wahiduddin Khan
Has He chosen daughters over sons


AND THE DAUGTHERS ARE:

Quran 53:19-21
Have you then considered Lat and ‘Uzza And another, the third, Manat Are the males for you and for Him the females

Guy

Do you know anything about context ?
This is 2024, you should be wiser.
Stop embarrassing yourself!

Man u no go chop am khe??

COYG!!!

This mancity is just evil and devilish...

Fucking lose!

oluwaseyi0:
Not today, not tomorrow not this season

It will happen
The league is Arsenal's this season.

Mancity tears today...

I'll be there Insha Allah.

AbuTwins:
God is not a man! Anthropomorphism is false!

Numbers 23:19:
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

1 Samuel 15:29:
"He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind."

Hosea 11:9:
"I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and not a human being—the Holy One among you. I will not come against their cities."

Isaiah 40:18
To whom will you liken God? To what image will you compare Him?

Isaiah 44:6-20
Thus says the LORD, the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God but Me. Who then is like Me? Let him say so! Let him declare his case before Me, since I established an ancient people. Let him foretell the things to come, and what is to take place...

Jesus couldn't foretell the hour in Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Isaiah 55:8-9:
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Psalm 50:21:
"These things you have done, and I have been silent; you thought that I was one like yourself. But now I rebuke you and lay the charge before you."

Job 9:32-33:
"For he is not a man, as I am, that I might answer him, that we should come to trial together. There is no arbiter between us, who might lay his hand on us both."

So God is not man and can never become man!

God does not change:

Psalm 55:19 -
"God will hear and answer them—Even the one who sits enthroned from of old— Selah. With whom there is no change, And who do not fear God."

Malachi 3:6 -
"For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed."

So when did the Lord Change?

These are from the Prophets God sent.

Watch them come to this thread and start using their own logic, the word of one philosopher, or one church father that God did not send to explain the nature of God to us.. how God is 3, yet 1; How God is not a man yet he became a man.