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Maximus69:
Yes o!

Trivina and the other women got up so early this morning working with the butchers on the cows!

You're also invited but it's zoom zoom zoom party, we only arranged for takeaways.

So do you stay around Lagos?

Ehen..what's the occasion?...let's rejoice with those who are rejoicing...lolol

Maximus69:
Before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses, i used to imagine worshipers of God will always be the coolest and easygoing people on earth, but after studying the JWs for some time i drew back because i said to myself "they're not different from other religionsists". Not until a Muslim told me "the one and only TRUE Religion on this planet is those people carrying bags up and down" i objected telling the old man "i've been with them for some time but they're not different" it's then i heard something really strange!
He said
Do you expect them to be perfect in the things they're preaching?
Do you think they'll easily catch-up with what they're teaching?
Why do you think i'm pointing to them as the one and only TRUE worshipers yet i'm not one of them?

He concludes "they have the best organized setting to make peace amongst themselves and they don't allow external forces to influence their thoughts unlike all other religionsists, so if you now see some of them behave just like other religionsists, know that is a sign that they willingly submit themselves to be members they weren't hypnotized or charmed as most people do say of them"

That's what made me return, otherwise by now i'll be an atheist.
So the attributes of the new personality Christians were admonished to put on is not the natural habits we grew up to know in the human society, we are working hard to make it our own, if anyone misbehaves we must make them know that we're not under a spell, we know what we chose to do with the rest of our lives.
All these people you're chatting with have failed in their effort to change the truth that's why they are all holding on to straws, Rozz is the person that's important on the thread to me and she has gotten the clear message that TRINITY is nonsense and ingredients.
As for whether i speak abusively or derogatorily to any Trinitarian, atheist, freethinker it's what they deserve on faceless social media, in my neighbourhood they call me "Pastor" due to my exemplary lifestyle, and Rozz i've won over to realize that TRINITARIANS are confused and credulous gaggles.
Please make them know that you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses, that's what you need on faceless social media, whoever wants to know the truth will reason with you, your restraint won't change anything because they will meet JWs out there that will pay them in their own coin if they misbehaves!
Good morning!

That old man is certainly full of wisdom... succinctly said and totally the truth.

My restraint is not primarily for them..my restraint is me striving to do what is right...do I have a string of expletives to use on people...yes..but I refuse to..my father never said said a word of abuse to my mum not even once that I know of..I have also tried to do the same for my wife...is it tough, yes...do I feel like lashing out, yes..but I exercise restraint..the same is required everywhere. While occasionally lashing out can happen due to weakness but the ones I observe here has become the practice hence my posting....I have never shielded my identity when I need to...that is why in the ministry sometimes when asked who we are, we say we are friends from the neighborhood because some would never open if they hear JW due to preconceived bias..Jesus had reasons often times for not disclosing who he was also..Great job on getting through to rozz..hope she seeks for more truth

GRIMMJOE:
It's funny you think your self as one of them, even though they public disgraced and rejected you.

Lololol...e no hard reach like that oga...this is a public forum....jeje laye..I was neither disgraced nor rejected..because I wasn't asking for acceptance from anyone..I don't think it..we are all part of one body...it is only my congregation that can disfellowship me for a serious offence..no one can reject anyone here

andrewbaba44:
Andy don already come for am before reading this your comment

The only part I agree with him is that pep doesn’t fancy black players ,you can tell from the days of almighty Samuel eto ,you already saw how nacho was shipped out

I find this very hard to believe..pep has been shipping off players he thinks doesn't suit his style of play regardless of race or continent..one of those who got the worse treatment was Joe Hart.

johnw47:
of course you a false jw don't believe God's word but prefer your own made up story




Luk 24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.

Jesus was ressurected in His flesh body, He wasn't at first recognised
because His head and body was so badly beaten by the roman soldiers
He showed them the holes in His hands and feet to assure them.

Jesus had lost so much blood, and it was three days since his body had nourishment
and so He asked for food. Luk 24:41

Jesus isn't a deceiver, it is His body that was resurrected, just as He said




also:

Joh 2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Jesus said He would raise His destroyed temple-His destroyed flesh body
and that is what He done, He didn't raise some other body, but His own destroyed body
with holes in His hands His feet and His side

as Jesus dead body lay in the tomb, on the third day Jesus Spirit-the Word of God
raised His destroyed flesh body, just like He said He would



Luk 24:41  And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 
Luk 24:42  And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 


^^ God raised Jesus destroyed body, it was God the Word-Jesus Himself in the Spirit

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Apostle peter clearly stated
“Christ also died for our sins once and for all. He, the just, suffered for the unjust, to bring us to God. In the body he was put to death; in the spirit he was brought to life. And in the spirit he went and made his proclamation to the imprisoned spirits.” (1 Peter 3:18, 19, NEB; RS)
When Jesus was resurrected, he was resurrected as a spirit. His human flesh and blood has been used as a sacrifice to redeem mankind, Jesus said that he was giving his “flesh in behalf of the life of the world, you dont claim back what has been given or used as a sacrifice to God, how then is it a sacrifice if you can have it back.
Jesus first appearance was to Mary, and he didnt appear as a battered, bruised-head, hole-in-hand person, half naked person. Jesus was fully clothed and didnt have any physical pointers for mary to recognize him with, she thought he was the gardener, not as someone half-beaten to death. Then later he appeared to disciples journeying to emmaus, They traveled together for 7 kilometers, probably for some hours, having serious discussions from the scriptures, am sure if he was with his previous body, his face, his gait, his voice and with all the holes they would have recognized him, it was until they were dining together and he broke the loaf and shared it that they recognized that this person is Jesus, then he dissapeared. The person portrayed here does not look like someone bloodied, battered and hungry and certainly not half-naked.

Then as they were relating these events to the disciples Jesus appeared right in their midst with the doors locked and showed holes in his hand so that he may believe and for them not to think it is an illusion, Jesus asked if they have any food and he ate a piece of fish. Jesus definitely had ample time to eat if he was really hungry, there is nothing indicating that he needed them to feed him. If he could clothe himself he certainly can feed himself but he doesn't need such nourishment because he was raised up a spirit. All these actions were just to put the mind of his troubled friends at rest and not alarm them further or frighten them with supernatural displays. Jesus appearing and disappearing at will, moving through doors and all, clearly shows he is a spirit using a materialized body just like the angels that appeared to zechariah, manoah, gideon etc

Acts 13:32-37
So we are declaring to you the good news about the promise made to the forefathers. 33 God has completely fulfilled it to us, their children, by resurrecting Jesus;+ just as it is written in the second psalm: ‘You are my son; today I have become your father.’+ 34 And the fact that He resurrected him from the dead never again to return to corruption, He has stated in this way: ‘I will give you the expressions of loyal love promised to David, which are faithful.’*+ 35 So it also says in another psalm: ‘You will not allow your loyal one to see corruption.’+ 36 David, on the one hand, rendered service to God in his own generation, fell asleep in death, was laid with his forefathers, and did see corruption.+ 37 On the other hand, the one whom God raised up did not see corruption
Jesus never had a fleshly corruptible body again after resurrection.

brocab:
So Maximus will be treated unequally-because of his background-his a Muslim murdering Christians-then he turned himself over to the Watchtower! Is there a difference
It is a well known fact to those who are familiar with Jehovah’s Witnesses that they forbid military service. They even forbid non-combat military service which has been a suitable alternative to conscientious objectors for many decades in this country.
While they can’t actually disfellowship someone for joining the military the Watchtower can and does disassociate them and treats them as if they were disfellowshipped.
Apparently the illegality of discriminating against someone who chooses to serve their country in military service directly affects what the Watchtower will and won’t do to their members.
So Maximus couldn't possibly be accepted-but unequal to any member of the Watchtower-a lost sheep ready for the slaughter...
Poor bugger...

Nobody is treated unequally amongst witnesses, if you are a witness and join the military, you can be disfellowshipped, we dont dissociate from people who are not disfellowshipped. And there is no illegality in it.

Maximus69:
You're a compound fool!

Now spell "Rozz" backwards, you beggar!

Why are you outing her if she is the one really..they would make her deactivate this too...the watchers are still watching am sure...but it is actually futile she can keep creating profiles and be masking her comments...first hint..she should become a male..lolol

Maximus69:
The caustic abusive speech is not to be heard from Christians because people in our neighbourhood know our faces and most of them call us Pastor even after objecting several times.
But on faceless social media, there is no such rules, whoever insult me for chatting friendly with others i'll rubbish such a person double fold.
Nobody is seeing your face here, is that not the reason that stupid, worthless, hopeless, useless, sadistic, jobless beggar claiming GRIMMJOE has been typing abusive speeches even after begging me for money?
If not for Tatime who reminded me, how could i have known that it's the same person who begged for financial assistance that's been insulting me simply because i believe in God?

Guard Against Abusive Speech and Obscene Jesting

IN RECENT years profanity and obscene jesting have become, if not popular, at least the accepted thing in the world. The common expression is that “everyone does it,” thereby implying that there is nothing wrong with vile speech so long as the majority indulge in it. It is well to be on guard against such false reasoning, lest one be ensnared into imitating the riffraff of the world in their use of filthy words, obscene jesting and dirty-joke-telling.—Eph. 4:19; 5:3, 5; Col. 3:5.

Christians, especially, should feel this obligation, because they are called to be lights in a dark world. They are commissioned to hold forth words of life and hope. They are commanded to ‘let their light shine before men, that others may see their fine works and give glory to their Father who is in the heavens.’ (Matt. 5:14, 16) Their speech should, therefore, be of the very highest caliber at all times.

Jesus gave another reason for speech control when he said: “I tell you that every unprofitable saying that men speak, they will render an account concerning it on Judgment Day; for by your words you will be declared righteous, and by your words you will be condemned.” (Matt. 12:36, 37) Therefore, to stand in a favorable position before God, one must guard against using abusive speech, dirty-joke-telling and obscene jesting.

Jesus’ apostle Paul also stressed this point. After counseling Christians against imitating the unprofitable, immoral ways of the world, Paul, showed the need for discarding the old personality for a new personality, one created according to God’s will. After saying this, he says: “Let a rotten saying not proceed out of your mouth, but whatever saying is good for building up as the need may be . . . Let all malicious bitterness and anger and wrath and screaming and abusive speech be taken away from you . . . Let fornication and uncleanness of every kind or greediness not even be mentioned among you, just as it befits holy people; neither shameful conduct nor foolish talking nor obscene jesting, things which are not becoming, but rather the giving of thanks. For you know this, recognizing it for yourselves, that no fornicator or unclean person or greedy person—which means being an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of the Christ and of God. . . . Therefore do not become partakers with them; for you were once darkness, but you are now light in connection with the Lord. Go on walking as children of light.” (Eph. 4:2–5: This is timely advice for this day and age.

This may not always be easy to do, especially so if you have to work with people who are habitually inclined to use filthy speech. But a Christian is encouraged to put up a strong fight for the faith. He must buttress his mind against speech contamination by not excusing profanity, as some do, or even allowing filthy expressions to enter his mind. For example, recently an automobile mechanic reached under the hood of a stalled vehicle to make an adjustment. The wrench slipped. His hand banged against the hot steel block. For the next few moments the air was charged with a flow of rage and profanity, as the repairman raced about spewing out verbal filth. A few onlookers were amused, while others excused the man for his behavior because of what had taken place. But a Christian must not find excuses for language that defames God’s name and debauches creatures, no matter what the reason. There is no excuse for profanity.

Perhaps it would not be half so alarming if all profanity were confined to garages and indulged in only by those who banged their thumbs and hands. But alas! such is not the case. Almost everywhere one hears foul language. In factories and offices, in sports arenas, theaters and college dormitories filthy speech gushes forth day after day. Persons in all classes, from managers, lawyers and congressmen to soldiers, sailors, women, children, church members and preachers, have been guilty of using profanity. It has become just another aspect of the general pattern of this modern age, its profane thinking and profane living. Christians, however, must be no part of it.

starbuck:
I thought this happens only in Nigeria ...

These set of fishermen are too bloodied, poor dolphins

This never happens in Nigeria..this is just blood-letting. Nigerians kill to eat not for sport and never at this scale.

The western world we often laud for their conservative efforts and animal rights sensitivity have been the one who made many species go extinct with their wholesale killing sprees just for sport.

TATIME:
Formal and informal remember?

Formal and informer yes...caustic abusive language...no no no

Maximus69:
The underlined is really nice and strengthening, you only need to move fast with Jehovah's Organization, you must be fast in declaring your stand because delay to do so is dangerous!

The key to identifying Jehovah's lost sheep is in that question "where is pure worship? or who are those practicing pure worship?"

Jesus was preaching and teaching throughout the districts of Judea (amongst the Jews) many ignored him and most people rejected him due to his poor and lowly background, now he's traveling to Samaria to preach the same message. While waiting for his disciples by Jacob's well one promiscuous Samaritan woman came to fetch water, Jews and Samaritans don't mingle together due to the long time strife between the divided nation, so when Jesus asked for a drink this woman questioned Jesus "sebi you Jews don't like having dealing with Samaritans, how come you a Jew asked me for a drink?" Jesus seized the opportunity to preach but the promiscuous woman thought Jesus (a young, handsome, impressive and charming looking man) is another toaster, so she asked Jesus to give her a better type of water that she won't need to be coming to fetch always, (she's imagining something else) so Jesus abruptly changed the topic of discussion by asking after her husband, she felt uneasy as this young guy is suddenly changing the sweet chat to something she doesn't want to discuss (her past life) so she quickly objects "i don't have a husband", then Jesus said something that must have shocked this woman "that's true because you've had five men in the past and even the one you're staying with now you don't really love him" this woman quickly sensed something fast this man must be a prophet . So she seized the opportunity to ask Jesus the question all sheep of Jehovah always want to find answer to "between the way our own people (Samaritans) worship and the way you people (Jews) worship, which one is approved by God?"

This woman (though promiscuous) became the first person Jesus openly told directly saying "I am the Christ"! John 4:7-26

So never hesitate to make yourself known from now on, pure worship has become what Jesus envisaged back then, it's now on the top that all other hills are looking at from below {Matthew 5:13-16} those who will listen will surely listen and those who will not certainly will never listen, however some of us plants others amongst us waters but it's Jehovah that keep making it grow!

Thanks, i got your email!

We don't need to drag this...all I have said and continued to say is...we can pass the message without getting dragged into quagmire of abuse and bad language.and also not to become righteous overmuch...you guys have done a great job defending the truth of the scriptures.

TATIME:
The message of hope for interested citizens of God's Kingdom is about to end and another fierce message of judgment is imminent, now is the time to stand firm and see the salvation of Jehovah, so please keep declaring it fast anytime, anywhere, anyhow and before anybody that we are Jehovah's Witnesses, the one and only organization of Jesus' followers, let him who is disposed to everlasting life grasp quickly that we are different from them all, there is no more time for hesitation!

Declare the message 'anyhow' ...where is your reference for this please

TheGoodJoe:
The first goal was a fantastic worked goal but most of the plays by arsenal were cheaply giving away.

You guys call it out foxing, I call it sitting deep and hoping to win. Props to them but, that was not a tactical masterclass when you rely on sitting deep most of the game.

Sitting deep means choking the space and closing gaps and preventing those runs behind defenders that mancity use to destroy teams

TATIME:
He is surely studying with JWs but not mature enough to speak the language! :-!

I hope you are not referring to me...if you are...I wonder on what premise you are assuming this..studying...well all of us are Bible students, we will never graduate from studying...on that you are right..lololol

Just for more clarity...I was baptized at ota assembly when it was not yet an auditorium on September 7 1991, I won't mention other privileges of service through the years. I asked dappa if he wants the zoom link I can give him, and I will remove him after 10mins because I manage the meeting...I only cautioned on the language I have seen being used here by people who am sure are JW. Even though it is online, we are still ambassadors of Christ when we discuss Bible truths with people in no way should we resort to disparaging words..would you do the same when you meet an irate householder..before the quarrel burst forth take your leave..proverbs 17:14
If someone is not agreeable to the message and we can not continue in an amicable and amiable tone then it is better not to comment at all.

GRIMMJOE:
She's been expose to many religion and believes, it's up to her to complete the rest of the journey.

Agreed

andrewbaba44:
I think hirving Lozano is the record signing

I hate all these record signing...it makes money for clubs and creates so much unnecessary pressure for player..even where the clubs were clearly scammed, the anger and frustration is vented on the player...most of pogbo's issue stems from the signing fee...they were denominating all his work by 100m pounds and the result was poor as far as they are concern..see the way komekn has been going on about 25m for KC, i wonder if he was bought for 10m he will be less critical.

TheGoodJoe:
You are free to like what you want.

I am a fantastic of the possessive game. We played brilliantly today. The reason Arsenal had shots on target is because it is a counter to an open defence.

At the end it was a patked bus win. You are free to like it but it is not a fruitful long term philosophy proven over time. I hope that is how you want Arsenal to play all games.

Arsenal did this for like a generation..played good football...had possession..passed the ball to death in the 18 yard box..very tactical display and dominance but goals zippo...trophy zippo...I enjoyed it...but you cant slate them if they are not doing all the sexy football and concentrating on winning now

Rozz:
I regret creating this topic,i didn't know it will get to this,my pastor already told my dad about how I'm a jw and defending them on Nairaland,i can't remember stating anywhere here that I'm a jw or want to join,the whole thing is now complicated for me,he forwarded some of my comments to my dad.I will soon leave here permanently as I hate trouble.Sir(my pastor) incase you read this,please go through all my comments here and read them carefully,i never stated that I will join jw.im tired of all this

You are certainly free to quit if you want to..no one wants trouble for you. Your pastor has become your persecutor but what you have learned, you have learned, no one can take that from you. There are other avenues to learn that you can explore, everyone needs to work out his own salvation for himself/herself.

GRIMMJOE:
Yes your a free thinkers because you no longer need to be told what is right or wrong.

So if I dont believe religious dogma or political dogma but hold the constitution sacred like as a lawyer or judge..would I still be a freethinker

achorladey:
1. person who forms opinions on the basis of reason, independent of authority or tradition, especially a person whose religious opinions differ from established belief.

2. person who forms his or her ideas and opinions independently of authority or accepted views, esp in matters of religion.

3. Definition of freethinker
: a person who thinks freely or independently : one who forms opinions on the basis of reason independently of authority
especially : one who rejects or is skeptical of religious dogma

4. person who has formed their opinions using reason and rational enquiry; somebody who has rejected dogma, especially with regard to religion.

5. Those who contend that reason can attain to a truth that has been contradicted, obscured, or distorted by the official doctrines of a religious body which lays claim to divine revelation and the consequent right to compel assent to its teachings.

6. In his 1957 essay, “The Value of Free Thought,” philosopher and freethinker Bertrand Russell wrote:

What makes a freethinker is not his beliefs but the way in which he holds them. If he holds them because his elders told him they were true when he was young, or if he holds them because if he did not he would be unhappy, his thought is not free; but if he holds them because, after careful thought he finds a balance of evidence in their favor, then his thought is free, however odd his conclusions may seem.

By this definition, a wide range of people have been freethinkers: not only atheists and agnostics but also deists, liberal religionists, religious innovators, and those who have challenged the predominant orthodoxies in every field of endeavor, from science to politics to the arts. That adds up to a lot of people. And what it tells us is that almost every great individual in history had to, in some way or another, think free. That’s what made such people stand out. That’s generally why they became famous in the first place.

Pick the one you like

Like you said this covers almost the whole spectrum of human thinking especially with Bertrand Russell's definition.
Then how many percent of one's thoughts needs to be free to be a freethinker...if someone does not follow a political or religious dogma 100 percent but follows scientific dogma would he be a freethinker. If I believe that the constitution is just a book to contain, constrain and manipulate people and then choose to go against all the laws therein would I be a freethinker

achorladey:
Religious connotations States you have freewill religious connotations States in essence you have ability to FREETHINK. Someone that has ability to freethink is seen as a freethinker

So what would you define as freethink or freethinker

DappaD:
I'm watching match now sir I can't read all of these
All I'm saying is that a JW will NEVER send mixed signals when communicating to others that he's a Witness. If you're truly our brother then you should be able to make it known openly, even to others on this thread.

I never sent any mixed messages..sometimes you don't just want to barge into an ongoing discussion on any side..and often some people are not ready to listen to whatever you have to say, once they know your affiliations due to prejudice and bias. so sometimes you may choose not to announce who you are so that they can get a chance to listen before they close up tight

achorladey:
The bold is well placed and in essence someone that believes he has freewill should readily agree he is a freethinker.

Freethinker may have political or religious connotations. So depending on what context of freethinking a person is talking of..I have freewill but I may agree that I am a freethinker...so context and definition matters

achorladey:
Is easy to call someone DISGUISE ATHEIST but you don't want to see yourself as a FREETHINKER yet you have FREEWILL.

Two different things...everyone has freewill, it is a God given ability..freethinker is how some people have been expressing their freewill and may mean different things to different people

TATIME:
Your aggression will make anyone insult you, you are not dealing with people on handcuffs so try to respect people and they will sincerely reciprocate.
For instance, Rozz got harsh words from Maximus several times but due to her sincerity he fell for her and started calling her "Sugar Baby"
It's the way you speak to people that will determine how they will respond to you. You once said "slap a Christian and see what they will do".
Of course you don't understand what Jesus meant, a slap from a man like you wasn't meant to harm you but to humiliate or belittle you, so Jesus simply means Christians shouldn't expect people to respect them for upholding the truth!

When he was reviled he didn't retaliate.1peter 2:23

Especially to be applied during the ministry regardless of the form of ministry

DappaD:
Use your chest and mention him please
If you're referring to rabzy, for the fact that he didn't speak the JW language, he can't be our brother

Dappad...I don't want to pursue this discussion with you just for this same reason...go and check my posts on nairaland...dig a bit back..I have been more active in the sports space.
you talked about pure language..it is the whole body of truth that we speak and live by. On a faceless forum don't be so gung-ho on who someone is...you can't be absolutely sure
I joined this conversation asking maximus to use milder language...thats all...and then questions of who I am came in...the billions of unrighteous do not need to support the anointed brothers because they don't know their right from left and they would have the opportunity to learn and demonstrate their obedience during the millennial reign of Christ...so all of these people would be resurrected by Jehovah...that is the truth...and those were my comments. I wonder what language you want me to speak...maybe I should send you a zoom invite to see who the Christian life and preaching overseer is

GRIMMJOE:
It's not like I didn't warn you.

Well I wasn't expecting it from maximus...dappad was not in the picture...so I was only vouching for maximus.

DappaD:
If you can ask this sort of question, you're obviously not a Witness sir

I will leave you to your assured self...you are not even attempting to explain what I asked...and it was a question not meant for you

DappaD:
All of Jehovah's Witnesses speak the same pure language! Zephaniah 3:9
So you my dear sir are not ONE of us!

Lolololol...and is that the pure language you spoke...are you absolutely sure you are speaking the truth...

komekn:
No informed objective appraisal bias.

I love your terms...e remain to put kpi

Maximus69:
I've tested so many religious groups after leaving Islam, though it's JWs that removed Islam from my mind with their teachings, but i tried to join a Christian group because i found it so irritating carrying bags and knocking people's doors due to my self-esteem back then, Trivina (my wife) who started studying with Jehovah's Witnesses for just 8 months have joined them in preaching from house to house yet i just want another Christian Organization that will not ask me to go out preaching. That's how i became Ajala travel through so many religious groups claiming Christians, one thing that baffles me is how they will tell you that it's not everything that's found in the Bible, there are certain things that is not written there yet the spirit teaches them!

That's when i realized that it's only JWs that are strictly following the instructions as stated in the scriptures, but all ended 2 years ago when Trivina told me "i know you're truly intelligent that's why i never bothered when you're going to other Churches, i'm 100% certain that you're coming back to the truth"

So it's not a new thing to me my brother, they're all spiritists, each follow a totally different spirit that's why they're having contradicting opinions but Satan so much blinded them to the point that instead of coming to agree within themselves, it's the one and only united family they're seeing as evil!

Hmmm... A big shout-out to sister trivina..many husbands are won without a word...come which people dey bear trivina...is she foreign?...

DappaD:
With all due respect, you are not a Witness so shut up sir

Pls how did you come to such a strong conclusion and insult me on top