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brocab:
You are mistaken-
{Hebrews 13:8-9} Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace and not by foods of no value to those devoted to them.…
God gave all authority to Jesus-God never took back His Authority! All authority was given to Jesus.. Yesterday-today and forevermore..

I don't listen to strange teachings, I read the Bible holistically and listen to healthful teachings from the holy scriptures.
Can you explain the following scriptures vizaviz your statements above.

24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he “has put everything under his feet.” c Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

TheLoneCitizen:
Brother, we looking forward to the climax tomorrow.

How is yours?

Its going great, the experience has been wonderful...Tomorrow we will wrap it up. Cheers man

TheLoneCitizen:
Yeah, in a recent Christian study.

Now I got yah!....wink wink...just wanted to confirm. How is the zoom going.

TheLoneCitizen:
Look! The Man!

Hmmm...lolololol...did you just read the story of Pilate and Jesus recently

golddare:
I know but my point is that it's a culture that relegated females, why not the first child instead of being gender bias. Imagine how you will feel if you are the firstborn but a female or a situation whereby the first wife had 4 girls and the man decided to marry another wife that eventually had a son.

You need to look at how villages where structured then, what challenges they faced and how it is addressed.
The houses makes up the clan and the clan makes up the village. Each house head is a decision maker, these decisions are made in the respective associations and age group, there are age groups that makes war decisions, there those that prepare for war and fights the war. If the woman inherits the house, that house is effectively cut off, she can't join in the decision making, neither can she mobilize her sons for war, her children are not from that village, they might even be from the enemy's place. When the woman marries, he goes to his husband's place, the house will no longer count as a force in the clan. The house would collapse
Most cultures in the world do not give women the right to inherit titles of their father or to be the head of their house.
Many of the reasons might no longer be tenable, so necessary changes are acceptable to ease everyone's suffering.

golddare:
Now let's reason this together, if the first son is the last born then he takes over the house even if that's the only house. If the first son is the first born and he is not rich enough to do the burial alone he loses out. Its not only in the East that marginalisation of women is going on, its happening in Esan land too. I know its culture and it has caused a lot issues between families.

Possibly, but most times what you are expected to do to claim that right are not expensive, maybe just to buy the cloth to wrap the dead body. You would be expected to entertain people and of course your siblings are expected to contribute but they won't disinherit you because you can't entertain the guests. What if you are the only son, would they give your house to a kinsman because you don't have money.
Like I said women can inherit the father's properties, there might be a few places where this is not the case.

golddare:
Maginalising women for over a century in the name of culture, any culture that doesn't have human face all over Nigeria must be abolished. Another one is that of Edo that gives everything to the first son, imagine that.

This is not true, if the first son performs the burial rites , then he can inherit hereditary titles and the house where the father lived and died. If the man has no sons, then the eldest daughter inherits the house but not the title. The title goes to the next of kin of the man. Any other property would be shared amongst the children both male and female. Any child born out of wedlock who is not known in the household i.e whose mother did not cook for the man in the house is disinherited, but if the son is brought into the house and the man affirms that he is his son, then he can get inheritance. You can also not disown a known son without performing some rites.

brocab:
One of God's sons-but not the Son who has all God's authority giving to Him..
What this means you bow down before an angel-you worship an angel-not of the Son of God Himself..

Jesus needing to receive his authority from God and then later submitting that authority back after using it to accomplish all God wanted shows clearly we are talking of two divine beings, a father and a very loyal and obedient regent...not the same person.

brocab:
Your argument is now with the Watchtower, they did leave John 1:1 in tact-until your bible was discovered by writer Charles Russell.. the founder of the Watchtower-a 33 degree Mason, Russell decided to create his own god from a misquote he believes Jesus is not the Son of God, but Michael the archangel who few down to earth to become the man Jesus to save the world from destruction that's coming....
Wow-this is a over rated theory..
But we can't deny the truth, now can we?

That is a blatant lie...Russel never said and neither did any JW say that Jesus is not the Son of God....what Jesus declared himself the son of God...what he did not do was to say he himself is God the Almighty. Michael the archangel and Jesus are one and the same Son of God...if you dont think Michael is Jesus..fine..but dont use say we ever taught that Jesus is not the Son of God or that he is not divine.

1808: "and the Word was a god" – Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
1822: "and the Word was a god" – The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.)
1829: "and the Word was a god" – The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829)
1863: "and the Word was a god" – A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863)
John L. McKenzie (Catholic Biblical scholar) wrote that ho Theos is God the Father, and adds that John 1:1 should be translated "the word was with the God [=the Father], and the word was a divine being."[43][44]
B. F. Westcott is quoted by C. F. D. Moule (Lady Margaret's Professor of Divinity in the University of Cambridge):

The predicate (God) stands emphatically first, as in 4:24. ‘It is necessarily without the article (theós not ho theós) inasmuch as it describes the nature of the Word and does not identify His Person
Philip B. Harner (Professor Emeritus of Religion at Heidelberg College) says:
Perhaps the clause could be translated, ‘the Word had the same nature as God.” This would be one way of representing John’s thought, which is, as I understand it, that ho logos, no less than ho theos, had the nature of theos.[47]

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effectz123:
Really? Words and names do not determine who you are? and you give scriptural backing. You probably aren't reading the bible. Words and names can determine who you are. It's replete in the bible with examples. The fact that you want to prove someone wrong doesn't mean you need to nullify facts.

Why dont you give your own scriptural backings?

brocab:
You are mistaken-we all know, we don't worship the same God-your god doesn't line up with any bible-let alone the NWT bible.
It's not cursing-it's common sense why I won't agree with your literature, it's false hope!
Nothing good could come out from it-none of you read your bibles-because it doesn't make sense-this is why you try to understand the KJ's, but then, the KJ's is confusing for you too..

None of us read our Bible?..I have read the Bible cover to cover...verse 1 to the end and not just me millions of JWs,...it is one of our first spiritual goals.
What you don't know is that we have printed and distributed tens of millions of KJV to people

brocab:
We already have cults giving out literature that doesn't concern God that's flooding the net-your's is just another cult giving out cartoon magazines that doesn't supply any support to anybody other then the Watchtower-
Your magazines maybe free but your bibles are expensive, which of course none of you have them-because none of you could understand them.
This gives the world a good reason why none of you could understand the KJ's-and in good reason-your magazines are full of dreams and wonders of false hopes.

Our bibles are free, the number of our magazines in circulation and the readership shows millions all over the world appreciate them, with books like 'my book of Bible stories' 'young people ask' ' the secret of family happiness' and the awake magazine.These are well-known books cherished by jws and non-jws worldwide. Our books give the divine hope of the future from the Bible and millions have turned their lives around to benefit from this hope.

When you are talking about black in terms of light or physics, then blackness is the absence of light, this is just a phenomenon.
Black colour itself is real
In chemistry there is black pigmentation, if you mix some colours together you get black, and when you mix black with yellow or red, you get a different colour entirely, so is it the absence of light that changed the colours. Black is a colour in it's own right, so the entire premise of his teaching is hogwash.

ajl:
You are not getting it. Words and names are powerful.

Words and names do not determine who you are... Your Actions determines what becomes of you...not some random label someone gives you. Some people were named due to circumstances of their birth (isaac, benjamin etc), this does not necessarily define how their lives would be. Some others had their names changed to commemorate some epochal events in their lives like abram...to abraham...or Isaac to Israel....Abraham was blessed when he was Abram not when he was Abraham....and Isaac wrestled with the angel as Isaac not as Israel. It was not the old name nor the new name that made them what they were.
So this pseudo-Christianity teaching of oyakhilome has no basis in the Bible. In the Bible there were people that were named black...Noah's grandson was named cush and cush means black, one of Abraham's grandson was named Ephah which means black. The shulamite girl that was wooed by King Solomon in the songs of Solomon, said she is black and beautiful.
Calling someone or group of people by using a descriptive feature has been a trait of humans from the first man.

brocab:
And it sucks even more-when one chooses to become a JW-knowing he or she will never become satisfied in knowledge they retrieve learning about the Watchtowers cultist literature..

Don't transfer your needs on others. We are very well taken care of spiritually and it is attestable by all impartial observers.
Our literature's and books are available online without charge in over 500 languages, pls do tell me which other cult exposes themselves like that.

ChrisKels:
The waste man is at it again. This time, the fraud was caught fighting while drunk outside of a bar, assaulting police, resisting arrest in Greece. I just can’t help but imagine the reactions from English media if it was some black player.


Is this not worse than Isaac Success's case? Imagine assaulting a policeman in a foreign country

Where is that joke of a Britico wannabe that always comes here to talk in the nonsense as though bad behavior had to do with race?

It is not a case of bad behaviour been associated with race, even though he was harsh and never forgave the poor boy...maybe he had so much high hopes for the guy and success fall en hand heavily.
If you are a foreigner, you won't be given the same liberty like a native, so you have to be extra good and extra careful, if you don't, you will fall into their hands.
My son can misbehave in my house and he would be punished but he would still remain my son( except when the thing don pass be careful) but if a stranger should come an misbehave in my house he may not not get a second chance,..

Subzero047:
From : Victor Moses singlehandedly won us the Afcon

To : He was a major part we won the Afcon

To : I think Victor Moses was the reason we won the Afcon

It's called progress..lol

forgiveness:
Experience is also very important in football. We should mix our team with experience and talent.

Nigerians and experience experience..the thing vex me many many years ago.

komekn:
When I first went to high school in Warri, l couldn't understand pidgin English. I couldn't understand, Igbo or Uhrobo.

But there is learning and adaptation by association a big % is even unconscious, but it becomes ingrained and second nature by continous practice.

I learned these Nigerian languages by participation, association, integration, and continous engagement.

In Nsukka if you did not sprwak Igbo and you want to buy something the price automatically goes right up.

I have a white Caucasian friend he is a Financial adviser from Liverpool. He went to take elocution lessons because his accent created a perception of ineptitude.

When you arrive in the UK and you are working 12 hours shifts in a hospital and over time. You spend much more time with your colleagues on the hospital, than with anybody else it's inevitable that you change.

Many years ago l was on a USAF base in Germany. After a while my accent changed to an American one just by continous association.

It's not Faking it's unconscious and conscious adaptation by continous association.

But if for instance you are in the UK and all your engagements are with your own people, kparakpo. You remain unchanged and many will swear you have never been to Onitsha talk less of London.

Go stay village for one year in isolation after some time you would sound like a village man and at this stage you will have village mentality.

That's why we say some people passed through the university but the university did not pass through them.

I think you are one of them.

Nice, any language I learn I want to speak it like a native, that's just me trying to Excel at what I do. And why should I keep repeating myself to people because of my accent when I can easily say it in a way they understand me one time

SIONKPO1:
Solomon married outside his tribes and I believe anything that has to do with marriage should be based on Love and not doctrine

When the Israelites married people from other nations, their children could not speak the Hebrew tongue and could not worship God in the right way.

Nehemiah asked them to send their unbelieving wives and children away...the families were totally broken up...do you know the amount of hurt and hardship that would cause?
It was a hard decision but for true worship to be preserved, Nehemiah had to enforce it

SIONKPO1:
Solomon married outside his tribes and I believe anything that has to do with marriage should be based on Love and not doctrine

Very wrong example...lololol..he is even a perfect example for not marrying someone who don't share your beliefs

SIONKPO1:
You can't correct something by staying outside

We actually have no intention of correcting CAN...it's a voluntary organisation.

Our aim is to preach to individuals of all beliefs and creeds.

SIONKPO1:
The issues most people have with JW is that they see themselves more holy compared to others (are you aware that JW is not a member if CAN in Nigeria?

No the issue most people have with us is that we come to their house and tell them things that are totally different from what their parents and pastors have been telling them for decades.
In fact we are told to consider others to be superior to us.
Philipians 2:3 Do nothing out of contentiousness+ or out of egotism,+ but with humility* consider others superior to you,+ 4 as you look out not only for your own interests,+ but also for the interests of others.

Am sure many pastors don't teach people this, because they all want people to feel they are super and better and greater than the greatest.

We believe we are sinners and have to make sure we endure to the end to be saved, many pastors teach that they are not sinners and are already saved. Many things many pastors condemn as sin such as alcohol, trousers for women, using jewelry etc, we don't condemn, so how is it that we are the ones with a holier than thou attitude?

Goel:
It was not because of your discretion but good heart of people who didn't report you.
There were attempts to convert Indians into foreign religions like Islam & Christianity by invaders which failed early. Otherwise we would have been looking like any middle eastern or African country today.

Even today, converted Indians are found more likely to be involved in foreign funded betrayals to India and are seen as suspects by common people.

I don't dispute this, and am actually quite familiar with the history of India both modern and recent, from timur the Mongol to Akbar the great and to the last mughal emperor and the princely states plus all the issues with Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. So I know what religious differences and intolerance has caused.

So we were also very discreet in doing it and not rubbing it in people faces, if you know the way we do preaching in other countries compared to the way it is done in India, you would know it is done discreetly, but am not saying people are not aware, am saying we respect their sensitivity and adjust to it

Maximus69:
What do you think they can say or do to a military intelligence officer?
My uncle told them "leave him, he can't practice that stupid religion that belongs to MorOns" but he's so surprised to see me make changes, and when i resigned he asked me "so you're living your job for this Religion?"
Today they're all surprised that i'm making progress amongst JWs!

Wow..so you were with DMI....hmmm you people have done things in this country..things you cant say out.
They definitely cant harass you, you are a fish bone they cant attempt to swallow..dem go just leave you, make dem no come bite more than they can chew.
So what changes did you have to make and which ones were quite hard to make...if you dont mind

Maximus69:
Maximus69 too was a Muslim!

Bros wetin convince you to change and how did your family react... Some muslims that became JWs faced so much persecution, My friend's father was one from osogbo...the man see something when he became a JW.

SIONKPO1:
okay,keep up with the good work,but stop condemning the doctrines of other denominations

Everybody condemns every other person's doctrines. Pentecostals condemn catholic doctrines..The protestant movement and reformation that led to existence of pentecostal churches was as a result of condemnation of the catholic teachings and the pope, it even led to civil war. The other christians believe JW turn Bible upside down..you have seen some posters here too repeatedly calling us names and dogs and that we are from satan the devil etc...I have seen fliers distributed by churches where they depict hell fire...and they show JWs burning in hell.
So it is what it is, as long as there is a difference in beliefs...it is bound to happen.
I went for studies in India, and we preached to Hindus discreetly because if you are caught you can be jailed, openly preaching is not allowed because it can lead to religious riots. But we still have to preach the word one way or another despite threats.

achorladey:
rabzy: you need an accurate knowledge of the truth, but a lot of Christians would rather just have an idea and be content when God wants us to have more than idea.

Achorladey: This will not mean JWs have accurate knowledge of the truth. I guess? Or do Jws have accurate knowledge of the truth?

The truth the Ethiopian eunuch was after was WHO?

Must one pledge allegiance to the JWS before such one get baptized. Can someone be baptized by JWs without joining them as a member after knowing this truth?

Everybody believes they have an accurate knowledge of the truth so its not just the witnesses, the catholics, the deeper life, the celestial...the latter rain assembly and the muslims...which of them believes they dont have the truth?
So just like everyone else we believe we have an accurate knowledge of the truth.

The Ethiopian Eunuch was just an example amongst others i gave...dont see why he is becoming the subject of discussion.

Can you do wolimo with the muslim without learning the quran under an alfa..can you be baptized by the catholic even as an infant without your parents being a catholic...can the baptist church baptized anyone that has not been taught and vetted by them?

SIONKPO1:
Them don over brainwash this one
your first point,mist Christians gives their tithe cause they are convinced not on pressure
Your second point,giving most be done willingly and with a thankful heart and not acting
FYI,most Tithes and offerings given I church are used for welfare of needy members and missionary works to countries that have not heard of the gospel which you lazy people don't do but only go to peaceful christian environment
How many Muslims and pagans have JW ministered to and come to Christ?/none but you guys rather go to people that already have idea of the word
My brother,study to show thyself approved and try to know on how monies in churches are used and stop sounding bittered
Shalom

I can personally give you a muslim i preached to and eventually became a witness...i know scores of muslims that have become witnesses. And we are also after those who have idea of the word..because just the idea of the word is not enough...you need an accurate knowledge of the truth, but a lot of Christians would rather just have an idea and be content when God wants us to have more than idea...the ethiopian eunuch had an idea but it was not enough...Phillip preached to him..Apollos had an idea ( He began to speak boldly in the synagogue; but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained the Way of God to him more accurately.).. was helped to get a full grasp...

So we will keep seeking those who have just an idea of the word.

slam7000:
Respect sir if you knew Mighty Igor and Tex McKenzie.
These guys were way back before the likes of Hulk Hogan and Undertaker.

Their contemporaries were Argentina Apollo, Big Daddy, Ivan Puski that looks like a white version of Uwaezuoke, Jimmy Superfly. Mill Mascaras.

O boy...superfly sandoka. There was one group we tagged the 3 brothers...dont even know their names again...i loved the ultimate warrior..there was a guy too called kabuki, that sprays stuff I to people's face and also Ariba. We used to sing oloro ni Igor ta lo ni kowa ja.....Igor is a pain dispenser, how dare you come and fight

rottennaija:
You already implied by your statement

Of course, its a parroting of what the governing body member had said in a Jw broadcast when he said that your religion is not like the others who are interested in money so that they would be rushing to open. It was in the same broadcast he mentioned that you are not opening anytime soon (that it might be next year when the vaccine is out).

So pardon me for saying, but that is your mindset among you guys.

Well you are the one 'gloating' it here now...the same sentiment has been expressed a thousand times by pastors and parishioners alike that many churches wants to open because of tithes...why don't you pick on that....it is the one on JW broadcasting you want to air here
In the same broadcast, it was said that we would be more cautious than the government even if govt reopens business, we were asked to weigh reopening our business and making money should not be the priority but lives, even our fellowship was also affected, we are avoid visiting one another or be very careful when visiting one another, and must do so with masks, and provide cleaning agents for any visitor...all these other instructions in what way does it involve gloating...we definitely value our lives and would take all reasonable precautions..if it is gloating to you..so be it.