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hopefulLandlord:
just went through ogaga profile, seems he was very famous and even claimed to have powers that can make people rich lol

just learnt of Iya.witch too

Yeah he was. His comments scared the living daylights out of me then.
I couldn't even dare to mention him.

hopefulLandlord:
are those guys atheist?

They are Satanists (at least that's what they call themselves).
They declared for Satan in the way Christians would declare for Jesus.
It was scary stuff.

Homeboiy:
Rancho from the 3idiots

how far

Oga boss. I greet you.

Na fear make you open this thread o.
If you spend enough time on this section you'd get used to it.
I remember how Ogaga4l.uv and Alfa.Seltzer used to frighten me with their pro-Lucifer comments when I first discovered this forum.
You can still check out their comments.

Great news! I was heartbroken when they went off. What is dead may never die.

Guy you don kolo.

1Sharon:
That nigga keeps giving himself away, hes not talented

I guess so. He can't help himself.

butterflylion:
Not context but reality. Go and read up on free transfers in football and you would see how ignorant you were to even use it as an example.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN PLEASE GIVE THAT FELLA A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. HE CAME HE LEARNED AND HE WENT AWAY!


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I'm leaving because I've seen you are like the doctor.
Una no dey tire.
You can have the last word now.

butterflylion:
Sorry bro but free is NEVER a price tag. Price is linked to A SALE. free is not a sale but a give away!

If transactions of value can take place that means something was given in exchange for another and in the case of free transfers it only occurs when a player's contract is over and the club does not wish to renew. In other words the club saw no further VALUE in the player so chose to GIVE HIM AWAY due to the fact they no longer have a contract with him.

The New team who SEES VALUE in the released player now sign a new contract with him so to the player and receiving club it isn't free Afterall but to the releasing club it is free.

You are the one to give it up because I have shown you analytically how erroneous you have been throughout this argument and also shown you when and how you suddenly began singing my own song.

Context
Context
Context
Anyway, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Signing out.

butterflylion:
Hahahahahahahaha you are now jumping to my camp in confusion.

These are your comments earlier

This is circular reasoning in line with the theory of subjective value. I already explained that.

You also said :
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That is a general statement and implies the value of Neymar is same worldwide but now you switch to my camp after I showed you your error by saying the below



Now you agree that value is relative and value sometimes does not need to be paid for. VALUE CAN BE GOTTEN FOR FREE!

you did not even know when you changes your song and joined me in my chorus

See guy I have educated you enough and I believe you have also unconsciously taken to this education based on your shift all of a sudden.

VALUE IS NOT LINKED TO PRICE AND VALUE CAN BE GOTTEN FOR FREE!

VALUE DOES NOT ALWAYS NEED TO BE PAID FOR!

PRICE IS SELF SATISFACTORY AND NOT GENERAL.

VALUE MAY HAVE A PRICE TAG, MAY BE UNABLE TO BE QUANTIFIED AND MAY ALSO BE GOTTEN FOR FREE. all this is relative to who it is valuable to.

Bye for now!

In the context of this discussion, "free" is also a price tag.
Transactions of value can take place without money exchanging hands.
An example is free transfers in football.
Guy give it up.

butterflylion:
Na wa o! Why are you so blind to the obvious.

I said price per value is not general but relative but you said price per value is general.

Price does not determine value! This is what your stance implied : it implies that once a high price is placed on an item anywhere in the world then that item must be valuable to everyone in the world. THIS IS WRONG.

I had to take time to give you a lengthy breakdown so you would see the glaring difference but as expected you still did not see it.

It's alright anyway, not everyone is meant to quickly grasp simple issues

Anything else?

Stop putting words in my mouth.
No where did I say or imply that "anywhere in the world" nonsense that you have come up with.
It is your usual manner of inventing an argument so you can defeat it.
Value is subjective. So is price.
Neymar is worth 225 million to PSG. We know he's worth far less to Arsenal.
The buyer will only pay for a product what he thinks it is worth (value affecting price).

You have realized your folly so the next thing is to start saying things I have not said.
Well done.

butterflylion:
Value does not necessarily affect price. It is not set in stone.

What you are doing is known as subjective theory of value Which is simply a circular reasoning.

If you say value affects price then anyone who sees the high price SHOULD believe that item is valuable to them. WRONG!

value is relative to people and what one person has given value to and caused a high price tag on it does not mean everyone or another person would also give same value to the same thing or even be willing to pay a dime for it.

Value is gotten via SELF SATISFACTION! if it can satisfy me then I MUST HAVE IT!

but if it cannot satisfy me then I DO NOT WANT IT EVEN FOR FREE!

there are those things which hold SENTIMENTAL VALUE to people. For example a car made in 1940 which in todays world has no physical value due to its technological backwardness and limitations but to another it holds SENTIMENTAL value and such people are called COLLECTORS or ANTIQUE COLLECTORS.

you can have such a 1940 vehicle sitting in your garage and rusting away and even looking for who would come and buy it for scrap metal. But a sentimental collector would come and offer you $500k for it.

The value that collector PERSONALLY gave to that thing determined his price but to you, it held no value. NOTE THAT IT WAS A PERSONAL DETERMINATION AND NOT A GENERAL ONE.

Hope you are not still confused sha

Oh God.
Is this satisfaction not what I meant by utility?
Does this not affect price?
From your car example you have just shown that value/satisfaction and price are not independent of each other so why are you wrestling with your shadow?

butterflylion:
You do not need to continue because you have nothing more to add.

You said price and value are not mutually exclusive and I just told you that value and price are mutually exclusive because value can be gotten from a free item while price cannot force me to place value in anything I personally see no value in.

In that regard value is everything while price is simply a personal preference placed on value.

Does value affect price?
Simple yes or no!

butterflylion:
Chai Chai Chai.

So much empty headedness in one person. SMH.

Value has nothing to do with price.

A FREE THING CAN BE MORE VALUABLE TO ONE THAN THINGS HE PAID FOR.

VALUE IS PERSONALLY GIVEN WHILE PRICE IS MARKET DRIVEN!

I CAN DERIVE IMMENSE VALUE FROM A SIMPLE FREE HUG THAN FROM A DIAMOND ENCRUSTED WATCH I BOUGHT FOR $1M

VALUE CANNOT BE BOUGHT! VALUE CAN BE ATTACHED BUT NOT PAID FOR!

read these again and again until sense falls on you.

Let me repeat. VALUE AFFECTS (DETERMINES) PRICE AND NOT PRICE AFFECTING (DETERMINING) VALUE!

sell a car for $50billion and I will not buy it simply because I SEE NO VALUE IN IT!

HOWEVER SHOW ME REASON WHY I SHOULD VALUE THIS CAR THEN I WOULD DETERMINE MY PRICE FOR IT AND IN MOST CASES MY PRICE WOULD BE HIGHER THAN YOUR AASUMPTIONS.

good marketers would always tell you to sell value and not price because price is nothing. VALUE IS EVERYTHING!

I hope you have read the link I gave you and filled your empty head with some nuggets of knowledge. If you did and still do not get it then gerraraahiaaa men! I would then treat you as a special needs nairalander.

I think you are crazy.
Where have I said price determines value?
Please show me where I said it before I continue.

greenstar:
you've message

Still open? Sent you a PM.

butterflylion:
Your block head is certainly doing a number on you today.

Let me help you a bit before you get cardiac arrest.

Value represents the amount of money that you are willing to pay for anything. Price is the amount of money that you are asked to pay for it

READ THIS OVER AND OVER UNTIL IT SINKS IN!

PEOPLE BUY THINGS IF VALUE IS GREATER THAN PRICE!

PRICE NEVER AFFECTS VALUE!

(Read that over and over as well)

Regarding this streets of gold issue, it's common sense that God would use only the best for man based on mans values hence the street being paved with gold. But since it would be on the streets and trampled upon (I know that is God talking about how common he sees it) but we place value on it.

VALUE IS WHAT YOU GET! PRICE IS WHAT YOU PAY. VALUE IS NEVER DEPENDANT ON PRICE!

I can see you are no longer holding on to your precious stones argument

Being block headed is curable. Receive your cure

I am getting tired of you. Show me where I said that price affects value.
I told you that gold will drop in value if it becomes commonplace and gave you a real life example.
Value is what you think something is worth. Its UTILITY and this is not independent of price.

Stop creating arguments so you can defeat them.

Neymar is very valuable, so he commands a very high price.
They are not the same thing, but the distinction is subtle.
If you still don't understand it then you should gerarahere.

butterflylion:
The value of gold in this new Jerusalem would be valueless and you know why? It's because it would be on the streets! People would trample over them.

The writers from their own perspective saw it as value but from Gods angle it's of no value since its for all to walk on even though it would be of the best quality.

On earth gold is rare but it's value isn't! I can see you do not still understand what value really is

Even when its common place its value wouldn't change simple as ABC.

Gold is precious not because it is rare. It is because it is chemically uninteresting.

I suggest you and anyone else who is interested should read this


http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25255957

The value of gold isn't dependant on supply. Because gold is a mineral, it's strength and value lies in its properties and that takes us to our periodic table. Read the article I just posted. If you cannot I would post it here for you.

Regarding the gates and walls I am sure you saw me mention the gates would never be shut. I may not have all the answers but I do know one thing and that is that the gates will never be shut so this means the gates or walls are not for fortification. If they were then they should be shut at some point. But the scriptures say at no time ever will they be shut.

Are you alright at all?
So you mean you can see from God's perspective but the Bible writers could not?
Do you mind telling us how you acquired this ability?
I just showed you that Musa devalued gold by increasing the supply. Why do you still insist otherwise?
Get this into your coconut head - VALUE AND PRICE ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
Did you not say that the New Jerusalem will be on earth
Value is utility. Nothing more.

dalaman:
I read the wikipedia entry Ranchhoddas posted and it suggest that the topaz mentioned in the bible is a yellow stone that is different from the topaz known today due to translation error from the Septuagint.

He's going to pretend he did not see it.

butterflylion:
Dude you have lost this one. The kind of topaz mentioned in the Bible was not specified but you can trust God to use the finest of qualities and purity

Here is a quote about Ruby.

Rubies are the most valuable members of the corundum family. Large gem-quality rubies can be more valuable than comparably sized diamonds and are certainly rarer. There is a relative abundance of smaller, 1-3 carat blue sapphires compared to the scarcity of even small gem-quality rubies.


Here you are saying that gold would drop in value if it becomes common place but the experts disagree with you and it was already mentioned in the article. So let me refresh your vision with the extract again.



The price doesn't change if gold is new bullion or heirloom jewelry.

Unlike oil, the price of gold won't drop if the market suddenly becomes flooded with gold

Yet in your ignorance you said the value of gold would drop if it becomes common place. This is why I said you have no idea what value is.


So now your argument is no longer about diamonds but why others more precious were not used ba? Kikikikikikikiki

You are gradually running out of leg room

Gates and walls are used for boundaries and fortification.

Same revelations 21 says there will be 12 gates around this city and each gate would have an angel stationed there. However the gates WILL NEVER BE SHUT.

you can see it from verse 24 to the end.

The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.


There is purpose in all that God does and there is also purpose behind why he deliberately left out Diamond.

No other gem is as valuable or consistent as gold. God loves consistency. Note we are not talking about price or worth or expensiveness. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT VALUE!

You posted Forbes that talks about expensiveness while we are talking about VALUE. i wonder why no country invests in any of your list of most expensive gems but would rather go for ever reliable gold. . THEY UNDERSTAND AND KNOW VALUE! YOU ONLY SEE PRICE! THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN VALUE AND PRICE! LET ME SAY IT AGAIN, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN VALUE AND PRICE!

Price is determined by the intersection of supply and demand! Value is not!

The cost of a product or service is the amount you spend to produce it. the price is your financial reward for providing the product or service. Value is what your customer believes the product or service is worth to them.

I believe I am done here.

Your experts are wrong. Gold will lose value if it becomes commonplace.
I gave you Mansa Musa's example which you have refused to acknowledge. The value of gold dropped when he began distributing it to everyone.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article58593.html

Your insistence on the reverse shows you only read things without thinking.
What inherent quality does gold have that would make it still valuable if it was so common that even streets were lined with it?
This article gives you an idea of the topaz that was meant.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topaz

Value is the usefulness (utility) of something. How useful will gold be in your New Jerusalem?
You should also note that value and price are not mutually exclusive.
Fortifications are only necessary when there is an adversary or a potential one. Are you expecting such in New Jerusalem?

butterflylion:
All I see is desperation oh desperation on display. Ignorant desperation! This is from the article you said I should read to the end so let me post it here. It's a common sense article from an expert. I will highlight those areas you deliberately overlooked

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Ranchhoddas I don't think you know what value is. All nations of the world speak the same language when it comes to Gold. Every nation invests in gold. Every nation has gold reserves and that is because Gold has been around for longest and is the most stable.

In fact it keeps appreciating. It's the only mineral we do not have a synthetic equivalent.

Note the part where it says that demand increases value and even if supply exceeds demand when it comes to gold the value NEVER depreciates. Value is not the same thing as cost. Diamond is costly but not valuable when compared to gold. God is a good economist and knows the value (be it future or present) of all the minerals he made.

If Gold today was of no value and was worth nothing then you would question that portion of scripture but that scripture was written when there was no mad scramble for gold investments and gold bullions such as we see today and will continue to see. Gold is more valuable than diamonds and the reason is in the same article you couldn't understand.

Also in the same revelations 21 RUBY was mentioned. Ruby is worth more than diamonds and yet ruby is part of the foundations. Read below




If Ruby which is worth more than Diamond is found in the foundation and used as decoration then why talk about Diamonds when something more valuable is already there.

Also notice TOPAZ which only became known last century yet it was already mentioned.

Also note BERYL which is an extremely rare gem. Red beryl is estimated to be worth 1,000 times more than gold and is so rare that one red beryl crystal is found for every 150,000 diamonds. Yet Beryl is part of the foundation of this city.

Also note SAPPHIRE which is also worth more than diamond is part of this foundation.

If those gemstones which are more expensive than diamonds are already there then why your ignorant fixation on Diamond?

All the world's economists know why Gold is the preferred choice when it comes to investing their nations income. You would make a very bad economist!

A lot of you read but do not understand what you read. It's either that or you deliberately choose dishonesty over facts sitting right in front of you.

I have helped you with a breakdown since you chose not to do that. You and everyone else can follow my comment very easily.

Value is different from cost.

Value is different from worth

Value is different from price

Value is different from expensiveness.

If you can master the meaning of these statements you would make a good economist.

Have a good morning.

I don't know why you are quoting all these rubbish.
You keep using "diamonds" as if there is only one kind of kind of diamond.
Red diamonds for example are more valuable than gold. Why were they not used instead?
Gold like any other substance is valuable because of its rarity. It will drop in value if it becomes commonplace.
I remember reading the story of Mansa Musa who singlehandedly devalued gold in regions in Africa and the Middle East.
ANYTHING CAN LOSE VALUE.
The Topaz mentioned in the Bible is not the same as the one recently discovered. Don't kid yourself.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topaz

Your other gemstones are still not the most precious in the world.

This is list of most valuable substances.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2015/11/02/12-most-expensive-gemstones-world/
The question is why were they not used?
Every other thing you have written is meaningless gymnastics?
I can also see you are refusing to tell us the reason for gates and high walls.

butterflylion:
On the contrary you are the one who does not think completely.

Verse 27 of the same Revelations 21

Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Figure that out!


Also regarding your Diamond and gold comparison I laugh in pygmy!

Only a highly prized diamond, like a very large stone or an unusual color, will hold its value or become more valuable over time. Since there is so much variability in the four C's and there is no set unit price that is recognized in worldwide markets, diamonds are valuable but not as valuable as gold......feel free to do your own research.

Next time make an effort to think "completely".

Of what use are gates and high walls then?

You should read the article you copied from to the end and understand the concept of value. Rarity is what determines value. Unusual diamonds are rarer so they are more valuable. Why are the streets not lined with such diamonds as opposed to gold that is more common.
Apart from that, there are still a myriad of substances that are more valuable than gold.
Why not those ones?
Simple answer. They did not know.

butterflylion:
Revelations 21: from verse 9 down



That's the only place streets of gold was mentioned in the Bible and it was not referring to heaven but the new Jerusalem. So those who wrote that part did not say gold was in heaven because the new Jerusalem will be on this earth.

Now you can thank me for curing your ignorance because I do not know the Bible you read that told you heaven needed Gold or had its streets made with Gold. Smh

You don't think completely.
Even if it is New Kafanchan, the point is of what use are gates and high walls.
You only use gates and high walls to prevent thieves and burglars. Are they expecting thieves in New Jerusalem?
About the gold, the only reason they used gold was because it was the most precious substance they could think of.
Diamond for instance is more valuable than gold but it was not used because they did not know of it.
Diamond was discovered less than 500years ago.

EgunMogaji:
EgunMogaji doesn't wear his religion on his cuffs and definitely not on social media.

EgunMogaji is secured and intune with his religion to not turn it into a charade.

Why the heck is EgunMogaji talking about himself in the second person?

Third person.

hopefulLandlord:
yeah, because you know gold would still be special even in heaven

Exactly.
Whoever wrote that part did not think it through.

The streets are lined with gold. Or so they say.

I am gradually starting to consider the plausibility of some things. You do not know that they do not work.

butterflylion:
Well you couldn't help it. I couldn't help it either. He may be atheist but he has a warm disposition which is not found in the much older atheists on Nairaland just as lekkyD007 observed.

He is younger but more mature. They are older but more juvenile.

He does not know you yet.

Hog farmer.

hedonistic:
The idea that our destiny is in our own hands is quite romantic and appealing. But it is only half the story.

The problem with people is that many of us give ourselves too much credit when something goes in our favour... Oh, I worked hard; that's why I'm successful. What about others who worked even harder, but failed?

Unfortunately, the notion of cause and effect does not fully explain the human condition. Human agency is not as straightforward as it seems.

The sheer fact that you are able to find motivation to work hard, to take action, to be proactive.. is in itself a function of destiny. It is beyond you. Besides, the fact that your action yields the desired results is also a function of destiny, as numerous factors could have conspired to produce a different outcome.

This is golden. Time and chance happens to them all...

So na book you come sell. You for don talk since na.

butterflylion:
Abeg if you have nothing worth typing and simply want to remind yourself of the crush you have for that woman then go and play somewhere else. No be every time lion dey play with Goat.

Crush?

How can you have a crush on a nonexistent person?
This pig farming seems to be affecting you.
Hope you are not eating the imaginary pig feed?