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oyb:
Oh, I know you're Bullshitting, it's just the suckered who believe your bs I feel sorry for. I'm just not sure if it is exaggeration of your role or outright lying.

oyb:
Oh, I know you're Bullshitting, it's just the suckered who believe your bs I feel sorry for. I'm just not sure if it is exaggeration of your role or outright lying.

oyb:
How many litres is the facility? How many tanks? How many loading arms?

oyb:
Interesting. So let me get this straight, you did the entire boqs for an oil and gas facility? Civil, piping, mechanical, electrical, communications, fire fighting, above ground tanks?

Just you , not a team of QSes?

adanny01:
As far as i am knowledgeably informed, cost engineering and quantity surveying are not exactly the same. Their duties however are very similar but their field defers.

Quantity surveying deals majorly with building construction while cost engineering with engineering projects such as a refinery, high voltage power lines/substation, power generation etc.

QS uses the term BOQ - Bill of quantities while Cost engineer uses the term BEME - Bill of Engineering Measurements.

adanny01:
Using project management as an example, there are schools that offer project management as bachelor degree. These graduates are not just tasked with project management duties, it becomes their profession.

I have done project management duties in my former company writing monthly progress reports and chairing monthly progress meetings and even representing the project manager etc. However, i would never be appointed or employed as a project manager with my little experience. In Nigeria, to be nominated and approved a project manager for a government related project requires minimum of 10yrs project management experience and 15yrs overall experience along with COREN plus other conditions.

What is now the duties of a graduate of project management (bachelors)? He will not be employed a project manager without experience. So project management as a field of engineering is experience and also a profession.

I can say the same with Cost engineering, its not just a duty, but a profession studied in undergrad and pg level. In my experience, I have been a cost engineer, a project manager, a structural engineer, a foundation engineer, a civil engineer, a driver/mechanic, a draftsman etc. Those were my engineering duties but that doesnot qualify me to be taken by Dangote group as their cost engineer for their refinery project. I have to get a certification or accumulate experience with regards to cost engineering.

I can get admitted for masters in Cost engineering, project management, foundation engineering etc as a civil engineer. A chemical engineer can be admitted for cost engrg and project management but not foundation engrg. I can only use my cost engineering training for civil engineering projects but cannot cost chemical engineering projects.

I am saying lets not limit cost engineering to duties of all engineers but recognise it as a professional engineering discipline side by side with QS as a discipline. Duties are the same but profession is not the same.

CASTOSVILLA:
Hello Property lovers, Engineers, Fellow Architects and Quantity Surveyors in the house, this is Arc. CastosVilla. How much will it cost to erect this Mansion? I need your replies, it will aid me a lot.

Facilities :

Ground floor
1. Lounge (6x8m)
2. Bar (3x2.7m)
3. Bedroom 1 (4.5x4.5m)
*Wc/shower (3x1.8m)
4. Bedroom 2 (4.5 x5.1m)
*Wc/shower (2.7x1.5m)
5. kitchen (4.5x5.4m)
*Terrace (1.2x4.5m)
*Store (1.8x 3.6m)
6. Laundry (3.6x 4.5m)
*Veranda (1.2x3.6)
7. Dining (4.2x4.8m)
8. 2 staircases
9. Entrance porch (4.5x2.4m)
10. Ante room (3.6x 4.2m)
*Visitors wc (1.2x1.8m)

Upper Floor
1. Master's bedroom (5.7x5.1m)
*Wc/shower (3.6x4m)
*Balcony (1.2x2.4m)
2. Master's lounge (5.7x4.2m)
*Balcony (2.4x4.5m)
3. Madam's bedroom (4.8x5.7m)
*Wc/shower (2.4x3m)
*Balcony (1.2x2.4m)
4. Bedroom 5 (5.1x4.5)
*Wc/shower (2.7x 1.8m)
5. Bedroom 6 (5.4x 4.8m)
*Wc/shower (1.8x3.6m)
6. Family lounge (4.2x4.8m)
*Balcony (4.2x1.5m)

Daboomb:
Let us not go into this University Vs. Poly Graduates thing again.

Each one of them have their areas of core competence but are meant to be compementary toone another, to get a finished product.

University graduates are NEVER trained to be hands-on (as in technical DIY, under-the bonnet stuffs) for jobs.
They are trained to use their BRAINS, Not their HANDS!
A University graudate is practically a "Designer" of projects (be it Engineering, Medcine, Architecture, Computer Software, et.c).
Their brains have been developed to CONCEPTUALISE POSSIBILITIES, where non exists and to put such CONCEPTS on paper.

This is where it ends!
So, dont be surprised that a University trained mechanical Engineer cant get under the bonnet and repair his own car!
He is just not trained to do such and it is not necessary on his part, anyway. There is someone else (Poly grad) trained to do such.

But ask him to DESIGN a non-existing vehicle to certain specs, he will go to those Engineering Software, use his knowledge and come out with a prototype that WILL WORK!
Again, that is where it ends.

The Poly Graduate on the other hand, is trained to USE HIS HANDS, they are very hands-on and are trained to COMPLEMENT, by picking up where the University Graduate left the job.
The are the ones that really bring concepts designed by a Uni-graudate, TO LIFE.
Just give him any design and he would use welding machines, nuts and bolts and put it together.
If it is faulty, he would repair it.
That is their advantage and area of competence.

But without mincing words, you will notice straight away that their conversational English is almost zero, too much poor English (but they dont really need it and dont do much of English in school, unlike the Uni-gradaute.
What they need (an dhave in large quantity), is their hands-on experience, which a Uni-gradaute does not have

They are not "thinkers and brain workers" who develop ideas from scratch,, unlike the University crowds.
They mostly cant put what they know (ideas) across in a way that catches attention (I have interviewd a few and l know this) even when they have it in their mind!
But just give then something to work on (brain work) and you will see tha they are geniuses!
That is why you will find a lot of them in 'practical' jobs like Construction, Surveying,Manufacturing, Elelctrical, e.t.c

Let me stop here and summarise:
Both Graduates (Uni and Poly), are developed to COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER, one is not better than the other but each is a proffessional and have its area of core-competence.

The problem we expereince is that the Nigerian environment has been so bastardised such that only "conceptualisers" (brain workers) are in much demand, simply because we are not a manufacturing/producing nation.

The hands-on people dont have much to do right now and that is reflective in our poor level of development, low level of production, e.tc even when Nigerians are in many top "brain positions" all over the world.

I hope this settles it once and for all.

phemmy88:
Well, I see a lot of unethical professionals here.

BOQ= Bill of Quantities

A bill of quantities (BOQ) is a document used in tendering in the construction industry / supplies in which materials, parts, and labor (and their costs) are itemized.

In lay man's term.. Its a comprehensive "Quotation" showing how much will be required to complete a particular construction project.

* As a Client, if you're embarking on a construction work and and u request contractor(s) to tender for such project .....he/she will prepare and submit a BOQ to you.

* For you to be able to Negotiate properly as you're a Novice in the field, you'll need the service of a private(consultant) Quantity Surveyor that will give you an holistic Estimate on the proposed. This is to be able to compare your contractors Quotation by using your private Qs BOQ as a yardstick.



Thank You.

Olazzeedris:
Nawa ooo! Mr JJC@ Raymondfirst born so u can be urter these can statement! remember there are elderly professional in this forum if ur biding for contract u don't molest someone else!
Mind u calling ur self a QS u are non competent to compite for a contract infact u re absolutely zero (4 saying most contractors are normally infilate quote, so you means no straight forward contractor again?When most of qz also gave different infilated quote to the client and pally with contractor for the lesser quote in other to have there way.

The op ask u what is BOQ then you can not defined in simple manal without molesting others professionals, is this how u re thought in school?
Nawa 4 children of these days

EgunMogaji:
This is just a general notice aka warning to the properties readers.

We've had quite a bit of downright fraudulent activities served on many members via this forum. We've had many dangerous activities like baiting of vendors to sites to be robbed right here on this forum, we've had many alleged contractors that showed the project of other people as their own project, we've had contractors that were doing shoddy and sometimes downright dangerous work right here on this forum.

And these are just the ones that made it out in the open. Many are resolved in the back end offline.

Just because someone is a voracious poster on this forum doesn't make them a consummate expert. Due diligence is the key.

Keep your wallets close to your chest, do intricate (I used this word specifically) research on their off and on Nairaland work/builds/projects before committing to work with anyone.

The level of 419 when the dollar was N160 was great and I cannot just imagine it now that it is at N350.

Good luck to all concerned and as usual my respect to the true professionals on here.

blacksta:
Hi
Will email you shortly

Manbiman:
Please share your breakdown cost and estimate here

Manbiman:
Hello Nairalanders, I have been following a few thread on this forum for a while. I have learned a lot from the top builders and -commentators - u know yourselves". My question is that am starting to take a step into getting my own personal personal home..

I spent some time doing my own sketch using Chief Architect software from scratch- I came up with this plan here... So how much do you think will cost. Rough estimate

Building location - Akwa Ibom - Ikot Abasi all suggestions are highly welcomed. Thank you in advance

Manbiman:
Who knows a good Architect with proven good record here on NL -

1. For electrical drawing , Plumbing
2. structural drawing, elevation

All the drawings needed for submission to LG for C of O

I have the floor plan but needs modification and to be converted into appropriate measurements.

Thanks in advance.

blacksta:
Hi
Will email you shortly

blacksta:
Thank you for this Informative idea .. Please what is a BOQ and can you recommend a very good QS

Thanks

blacksta:
Thank you for this Informative idea .. Please what is a BOQ and can you recommend a very good QS

Thanks

blacksta:
Please Guys recommend a Contractor or Leave your details here thanks

I have a project ( Demolish and Rebuild) in Lagos State and looking for contractor who will carry this out for me

ihebrooke:
That means that you're the main Oga, then. We no be firstborn. Oga, drop something for your little pikin.

ihebrooke:
My Oga, I hail. You no need "Just waka pass" You fit drop "Egunje" for us. Which of the boys are you referring to? First born? Last born?

ihebrooke:
Mail sent

ihebrooke:
Mail sent

ihebrooke:
Mail sent

Timtol:
Yeah!
The project had been delivered but the client says he's busy and will reach back soon.
Payment done.
Will reach u also.
Calm down ooo...lol
Well done oga mi

Timtol:
Block plan of our project in Ogun State Nigeria....


4bedroom,guest room ensuit,anteroom with toilet,laundry,library.
Well managed plot liable to accommodate more building...


Whatsapp: 08100452977
mail; timtolnl@gmail.com


No matter how small or how narrow ur plot might be we r ready to take up the challenge.


Good morning

einsteino:
it still sounds absurd to me. if the Engr is being employed by another Engr who he is training under, he may not even mind 60k. This is because his interest is the tutelage and not the pay. but if he is to work for someone that has nothing to offer him, and in an unsecure position such as a short term project, where he is to deploy his experience and knowledge that he expended time and resources to acquire, it would be irrational to even discuss a monthly fee. The practice is to bill per milestone or the entire project, that way he can deliver the project in the shortest possible time and rededicate his time to some more gainful engagement.

Anyways sha it is a bungalow and like you said its a low budget project. these days any Engr with some sense would rather leave such to those who impersonate us. its better to focus on more technical projects where ones services wouldnt be haggled like an unskilled labourer's and everyone involved appreciates what they each bring to the project.