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Ishilove:
What manner of foolishness is this? God, in His infinite wisdom gave man the gift of the knowledge of medicine and healing, so what is wrong with going to the hospital to get cured?

When an affliction has biological root causes, you attack it with orthodox medicine. If it has a spiritual foundation then you handle it spiritually.

, though a fantastic researcher and journalist, is unfortunatelly rabidly anti-church so this crap she posted doesn't come as a surprise.

ilynem:
There is no christian version or Muslim version. Every religion tries to reach the Same God. Many of them just do it the wrong way. Jesus says, no one goes to the father but through me. Other religions reject this and this where we differ. Any path that doesn't go through Jesus leads to a dead end even though they think it leads to God. There are no many Gods, just one.
And of obeying the moral teachings of Jesus which makes me an infinitely better person is delusion? Then I like it

ScienceWatch:
LET IT BE CLEAR, THAT THERE IS NEVER CONFUSION IN THE BODY OF THE MIGHTY JESUS CHRIST.

What you are witnessing, good Sir, is a scam perpetrated by A SATANIC ATHEIST named here as Oaroloye.

He has cowardly chosen JESUS and the awesome miracles as his victim.

He will shamelessly twist Hell into any TRUTH so that it matches his Satanical agenda.

This idiot is small fry ! His lift don't go all the way to the top. He is now using the BIBLE to prove that JESUS CHRIST CONTRADICTED HIMSELF.

This madman also uses the BIBLE to prove that RAPE IS NOT A SIN.

IT seem like he is using Meth/ Tic which eat holes in the users brain. He display massive gaps in applied intelligence.

ilynem:
I really want to slap my own face because you keep dragging me back to religion. God didn't start with religion. I am pointing you to God. Not religion. I have agreed with you. The earth, the galaxy, the universe does not need religion. But they need GOD. Religion is man made but Christianity is the Christ way of life. People followed God way before Christ was born. Christ only brought about a new dispensation. We no longer live under the old law but under grace. God is the IT factor not Religion.

ilynem:
You keep calling the universe and I keep dragging you back to our planet. And I keep telling you, I don't follow religion. I follow God. Religion is not the important thing, God is. And my God is Jesus. The universe has no need for religion and that I agree with you. But it has every need for God.

ilynem:
At first you say, my post made a lot of sense and I went "yippee! Someone who supports me" and then I read on and it just goes downhill from there. So where do I start?
The fact people claim to have serve the real god doesn't meant there is no real God. When there is a complex math problem, majority of us might fail it. But it doesn't mean there is no answer. It just means we have to be taught the right answer. Now you say this what causes division? I agree with you. Religion causes a lot of division but as I keep banging, Christianity is not a religion. You want division to end? Embrace Christianity. TRUE CHRISTIANITY because we are taught to love our enemies. To be at peace with them. Christ died for people who didn't even love him. We follow Christ and that is why even though people from the other religion keep killing Christians, true Christianity teaches us to show them love and not discriminate.
Now you say God doesn't want to be tested. Well, ya! That's why He's God. He has absolutely nothing to prove to you. If you create a computer, are you bound to the computer's will or is the computer bound to yours? God is not the one on trial, we are the ones on trial.
You want God to and evil in the world? Now there is a problem with ending evil. What do you qualify as evil? See, everything is Black or White. There is no middle ground. It's either good or evil. You want God to end evil? Then we are all going to die because everyday we commit evil. Whether it is as small as lying or as big as rapping or killing. Evil is evil. But of course, evil will end on the last day when Christ comes back.
The whole simple rule that brought up this debate. Love your neighbor as yourself. Do you know if we all followed this simple rule, there will be no boko haram or Isis. No starving children on the road, etc.
And finally. God isn't condemning all of us to hell. Hell is our choice. Like I said, its Black or white. Hell is made for the agents of Satan and Satan himself. If you are not an agent of God, then you are an agent of Satan. Black or white. It is your choice. Its either you get on your knees and say "Father, let your will be done" or you refuse to kneel and God tells you "your will be done".
You lose absolutely nothing in being a Christian. The teachings of Jesus (and his apostles), unadulterated holds the key to every problem in life. Stop looking at charlatans under the guise of men of God. Look at Jesus and your life will be so much better.
Modified: forgot your point on the universe. ERM...are you saying the universe has no beginning?

ilynem:
Hmmmm. And you keep skipping around the Bush. Are humans insignificant in this universe or not. Yes or no?
Now let us talk about insignificance for a moment. You mentioned Jesus dying in an insignificant village. First, might I point out, Jesus didn't die for the universe (you keep mentioning the fact it is 14 billion years old), He died for humans. Let's talk about insignificance for a moment.
A British soldier Tandey saved a man's life in world war 1 at an insignificant spot in this big mighty world. That man was Hitler and and over 60million people were killed by his actions.
Muslims claim only an insignificant number of them are radicals and yet the mighty world shakes at the threat of Isis, The Taliban and all other Islamic groups including your Boko Haram.
Someone somewhere decided to have sex in an insignificant village in Afghanistan and guess who the child was? Bin Laden.
What point i'm I trying to make? Just cuz Jesus was born in a small village called Bethlehem doesn't negate the fact that he died for u and I. It doesn't change anything. Big things start small. And probably at an insignificant spot where no one is even paying attention.

ilynem:
I said, according to your evolution theory. Giving you the benefit of the doubt that that nonsense is actually correct. I never said the universe revolves around humans. But from your argument, humans are insignificant in this universe. There are two different things. And oh! By the way, the universe revolves around God. Something cannot come out of nothing. It has never been scientifically proven! So someone somewhere created this universe and this universe revolves around Him. And He is God.

ilynem:
I can't believe you typed this with a straight face. The universe is 14 billion years old, according to your evolution theory, humans came into existence some 2 million years ago. That's insignificant compared to 14 billion years of the world's existence. Do you mean to tell me that humans aren't important because of when they came into existence?
By the way, 14 billion years is nothing compared to the Beginning and the end which is God. Ignorance is Bliss my friend. Enjoy it.

ilynem:
You see, that's your problem. Everything revolves around my God. You can't ask me to think outside my God, it's like asking me to remove my brain before thinking. No matter how large I enlarge my reasoning, it is still within the scope of my God.
You are right though. Religion is an emotional bondage. That's why Christianity is not a religion. While religion keeps you in all kinds of bondage, Christianity sets you free.

ilynem:
Sir, you just shot yourself on the foot. Leviticus predates all the philosophers you mentioned. And as we believe Jesus to be God, we believe He gave that rule to Moses. So from the Christian standpoint, Jesus has the original claim to that rule.
Secondly, please correct me if I am wrong. But "Do unto others what you want others to do unto you" is centered Karma not love? I should do good to hopefullandlord so someone else will do good to me. I won't want to so evil to you for fear that someone will do the same for me.
But let us look at "Love thy neighbor as thyself". I believe, correct me if I am wrong, that this is centered around Love which Jesus came to preach and live. I won't want to hurt HopefulLandlord not because I am scared of someone else hurting me, but because I wouldn't do that to myself. That is the sacrificial love Jesus came to preach and show to us. And I think that is a little deeper.

hopefulLandlord:
The part you don't get in that analogy is that it makes no different to me if various historical/legendary figures existed or not. Most certainly ancient history is not accurately recorded. It's hard enough to sort out truth from exaggeration in events in our own time that we have access to more information let alone events that (supposedly) happened millennia ago BUT I'm not going to have an existential crisis if it turns out that Julius Caesar/Confucius/Alexander the great never existed. I'd just shrug and go on about my day. But if there were proof that Jesus never existed you'd freak completely out.


they are basically the same thing!

here's the thing, these so-called wise words have a way of getting refined overtime and layering upon one another over the years and (usually) getting better and better as humans learn from trials and errors when it comes to all aspects of life

to prove this let's look at the timeline of the wise words

first ever documented version of it was the story if the eloquent peasant which dates between 2040 – 1650 BC with the words "Now this is the command: Do to the doer to make him do."

Confucius, Mozi and Laozi then gave their own version around 500BC

"Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself." — Confucius (500 BC)

"If people regarded other people's families in the same way that they regard their own, who then would incite their own family to attack that of another? For one would do for others as one would do for oneself." — Mozi (400 BC)

"Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." — Laozi (500 BC)

Greek Isocrates version is also pretty interesting

"Do not do to others that which angers you when they do it to you." – Isocrates (436–338 BC)

notice how each of these versions of the golden rule predates Jesus himself

let's stop the etymology here and look at the bible which you read very well I believe, if you read the bible you'll see that what Jesus said predated Jesus himself!

read Leviticus 19:18

"'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

take a look at the bolded very well

this shows that Jesus infact HAS NO GENUINE CLAIM TO THE GOLDEN RULE, it had been existing before Jesus was born and Jesus just repeated it

Ochoiho:
When I hear people mocking my God, I pity them deeply, knowing that their time is fast running out and their end is terribly pathetic.

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OtemAtum:
I have also compared Yahweh with a dog before and it is because it is a norm in the world. It is easy for a christian to compare Allah with poo. And it is easy for atheists to compare Yahweh with anything. It's all for the fun of it. Right from the ancient times, even the so-called great prophets male fun if other people's god. This reminds me of Elijah of the Neanderthal who was making fun of Baalim and his prophets. There is no god immuned from being ridiculed.

IMO, I think the matter of gods should be taken the same way we take football clubs. For example, as a Chelsea fan, it is allowed for me to make fun of Arsenal and Man utd if they don't make the top 4(sebi they also make fun of Chelsea last year when we didn't make top 9) . However, it should not affect my normal day to day relationship with the arsenal fans in real life. I think the spirit of sportsmanship should be introduced to religion. It makes a lot of sense.

Aaronsrod:
The Bible instructs us in Leviticus 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death.

It is well.

Muafrika2:
Only the best are imitated and passed off my friend. ...

That the most powerful kingdoms and powers have been seeking power and expansion in the name of Christ ( first the Roman Empire, then the Europeans) should give you an Idea of the kind of power and influence that Christ has over the earth. Even the US still uses the name of Christ to exert political influence.

Muafrika2:
That's the beauty of Christianity. It can blend and be moulded into any culture. African included. Ageless.

Muafrika2:
I thought you were onto something until you started blaming religion for something you haven't made clear enough

Those gods of our ancestors are well known for demanding human sacrifices, forbidding inventions, and no, they cannot be "repackaged," in fact, that you are even suggesting repackaging is testament to just how outdated they are. Christianity is the only religion that has proven to be resistant to age.

Aaronsrod:
Jesus came to set us free. That is all you need to know.

Fukai:
The Kingdom of Axum, which is present-day Ethiopia, officially adopted Christianity as a state religion in the fourth century, more than 200 years before the Muslim prophet was even born. And even before this, there were already many Christians in Ethiopia. Arab Muslims enslaved Africans in mass, castrated them, and shipped them to the Middle East. The Islamic Slave Trade was the earliest, longest, and worst slave trade known to humanity. More black people were enslaved by Arab Muslims than Europeans, and the Arabs were enslaving the Europeans as well. The majority of Arab Muslim countries didn't ban slavery until the 1960s when the United Nations pushed them to end their evil ways, and even now, to this day, Arab Muslims are still enslaving black people. South Sudan seceded from the North because the Northerners began to view themselves as Arabs instead of blacks, and began to ENSLAVE the southerners, sickening.

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annunaki2:
I keep repeating it, Islam is the worst calamity that ever ravaged this planet.

otemanuduno:
keep ur new Jerusalem in ur pocket and give me a new Nigeria instead.

adepeter26:
Remain small, this op for Don lose his remaining sense

lepasharon:
Otemanuduno you have triggerred ppl o