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CrimeCanadian Cops Cry For BlackBerry Wiretap by Recognise(op): 9:37pm On Mar 26, 2009
Canadian cops cry for BlackBerry wiretap
How to eat a golden egg

By Dan Goodin in San Francisco
Posted in Security, 25th March 2009 22:06 GMT

It has recently dawned on Canadian officials that communications sent with the BlackBerry are among the hardest mobile messages to eavesdrop on. But rather than congratulate the Waterloo, Ontario-based Research in Motion on a job well done, they're calling for laws that would force service providers to use only technology that can be tapped.

Police and politicians in Canada call the BlackBerry the device of choice for criminals and law enforcement, according to the CBC. That's largely thanks to the BlackBerry Enterprise Server, which encrypts data and secures network connections. Layer on top of that some additional encryption software - which is easy to do on the Blackberry - and you've got something close to military grade security, the news service says.

Enter liberal member of parliament Marlene Jennings, who tells the news service that cracking the BlackBerry and other devices that use strong encryption is essential for law enforcement to do its job.

"Law enforcement needs it, Canadians need it. It's an essential tool for the battle against crime," she says.

No doubt, not all police surveillance is bad, and the protection encryption provides from prying eyes cuts both ways. Which is to say that sometimes encryption is going to make it easier for bad guys to conceal their illicit ways.

But a lot of perfectly legitimate people - including a certain leader of a large, western state - swear by the BlackBerry precisely because it is viewed as more secure than iPhones and all its peers.

Sure, law enforcement would be required to have a warrant before they could access any encrypted communications. But the US Secret Service isn't likely to take comfort in such formalities, and neither are millions of business people who want to exercise some level of control over the messages they send.

So, to MP Jennings and her allies: Good luck fighting a losing battle against technology. And a warning: If you're not careful, you may kill the goose that lays your country's most golden of eggs. ®

SOURCE: Click here
Christianity EtcRe: Men Are Like God by Recognise: 11:13pm On Mar 24, 2009
KunleOshob:
@Recognise

Your post is quite insightful, but it is quite obvious that man's true destiny and purpose is not very clear although there are several hints in the bible we still are not very certain and the church leadership has done more to confuse us than educate us cause they simply don't know and every pastor is pursuing his own agenda.

I am also aware that the bible we use today, passed down to us by the Vatican is just what they decided to canonize as "ordained scripture" there is evidence that other ordained scripture were deliberately left out by the Vatican at that time because they were considered books of higher spiritual value and this books can still be found in their archives today even though catholic faithfuls deny this.

I believe God revealed answers to our forbearers and the answer is still with us today albeit adulterated and concealed from us by a "privileged" few.

This is one of the reasons I don't subject my self to church doctrines anymore. Churches tell you what they want you to believe and not necessarily the gospel truth.
@KunleOshob (m)

My fellow lord and peer . . .

I was only going to be reading postings and not submit any until the weekend but against my better judgement I waived to reply to your posting

I habitually take pleasure going over your dogged (i.e. strong-minded) postings dropped in now and then.

On the issue of Man’s true destiny and purpose, these are not far fetched.

Here are some few pointers:

1) What did Man have in the beginning?
2) What did Man lose before and/or without even stepping out of Eden?
2) What is the nitty-gritty, the bottom line, the core message, (i.e. crux) of Jesus Ministry whilst on Earth?
3) What was He proclaiming and explaining during his Ministry?

The answers to the above not exhaustive pointers reveal Man’s true destiny and purpose.

I bet you know, one doesn’t see much when one’s closed up to a mirror.

However, the moment one steps back a bit, one doesn’t need to strain the eyes (i.e. to look too hard) to make out things, to see clearly and properly for that matter.

As regards church leadership doing more to confuse than to enlighten or pastors pursuing their own agenda, we’ve heard it said “You can’t keep a good man down” but I’ll say even if you do, it won’t be for long. That's all I'll say to that.

You are absolutely right concerning the circumstance of the "ordained scripture" - its a travesty . . .

All the same, the situation is “ba” and not entirely “bad”

It could have been worse, moreover the worst is yet to come, if you know what I mean (PS: terrible times are ahead)

With regards to church doctrines, it is one’s responsibility with the help of the Holy Spirit to be able to tell the difference between “organised church” doctrines and “organic church” principles and separate them.
Christianity EtcRe: Jade GOODY Died Today - Has She Really Gone To Heaven? by Recognise(op): 7:30pm On Mar 22, 2009
redsun:
Her death just show how vain the whole shit of celebrity is all about and as well as  the devastating effects of cancer,worst than aids

And I personally believe that all the cosmetics, chemicals in food, drinks and cleaning agents are the main causes of this flesh eating cancers.

And for some reasons, most white people don't rinse their plates and utensils after washing with chemical, they seems to feel at home with chemicals and any reasonable mind can tell they are dangerous, just as they kill the so-called germs and bacterial, so they kill humans slowly
@Redsun

True about the chemicals and processed foods etc
but is your assertion concerning "white people" only
because I know of a handful of Naija ladies that got horribly snatched by death cum cancer before their prime
Christianity EtcRe: Jade GOODY Died Today - Has She Really Gone To Heaven? by Recognise(op): 7:05pm On Mar 22, 2009
Pastor AIO:
Not here too!! Please stop it already. What was the point of Jade Goody? 
@Pastor AIO

My lord and fellow peer.

Someone has to drop Jane GOODY in here at some stage, either sooner or later, innit?

What's the point of Jade Goody you asked.

Stung by death at 27.

Hope she made peace with God before exiting


MrCrackles:
You dont go to heaven on the basis of dealing with an illness in a brave way!
MrCrackles:
Topic

Jade Goody~RIP

As for heaven, God knows best!

Absolutely not for any human being to conclude on!
@MrCrackles

Absolutely . . .


sara j:
Well it definently won't send you to hell either.

Courage and bravery are one of the most important credentials to get you into heaven, I'm sure.

I'm sure many other people would be feeling sorry for themselves and turn against God.

Thats why so many people probably go to hell.
@Sara j (f)

Hmm, not entirely convinced its a one way street.

Its likely two ways, either turn against or turn around to God.

Such death especially at a young age certainly will set people off reflecting on life - about now, after death and eternity . . .


Recognise:
Mr Clifford said Goody's children had known their mother was seriously ill.

"She sat down and explained that Mummy was going to heaven and that heaven is where people who are ill go to get better," he said. <<<<shocked shocked

"She said when they look in the sky and see a star, that's Mummy looking down." <<<<shocked shocked
Was expecting reactions or comments to the above white lies black lies OK whatever drivel (i.e. the above poppycock - indicated by my chevrons and shocking smiley)

If she didn’t know where she’ll be after death
instead of perpetrating this in likes of Santa Klauss-cum-Tooth Fairy monstrosity fib
why didn’t she better ask somebody or simply keep shtum, hmm?

Preposterous claims, absolutely shocking . . . 
Family12 Weeks After Wedding Found Out Hubby Was A "Paedo" by Recognise(op): 4:00pm On Mar 22, 2009
Bride had to turn tech without Sarah's Law
By Jane Atkinson, 22/03/2009

A DEVASTATED bride is calling for a change in the law after discovering her new husband was a CONVICTED PAEDOPHILE a few weeks after they wed.

Mariella Grove only found out about his sick past when she caught him leering at a neighbour’s two young daughters.

She is now calling for Sarah’s Law to be brought in across the whole of Britain—so other women do not have to suffer the anguish she has been through.

Tearful Mariella, who has a 15-month-old grandson, said: “If this had been in place where I live I would have known who I was marrying and who I was allowing to come into contact with the children in my family and in my area.

“Everybody has a right to know if a convicted paedophile is coming into their lives.

“I am not a parent of a young child but I allowed a paedophile into my home, my life and the lives of those around me.”

The News of the World has been campaigning for Sarah’s Law—named after tragic Sarah Payne, who was just eight when she was slaughtered by monster Roy Whiting—since July 2000.

It would mean the public would have controlled access to the sex offenders’ register, and so far we have achieved 14 pieces of new legislation to protect children.

At least ten children have been saved from potential sex attacks, thanks to trial schemes. These are to be extended further across the country, and will be evaluated later this year to see if they should be enforced across Britain.

But any new laws will come too late for Mariella, 52, who approached the News of the World with her story.

We have changed her and her husband’s names for legal reasons.

The mum of two grown-up children married Bruno Grove last summer but had no idea her new love had been convicted of indecent assault on two 12-year-old girls in 1993.

Since then Grove, 43, had changed his name by deed poll—and none of his family or friends had revealed his shocking secret to Mariella during their whirlwind six- month romance.

The couple first met when Mariella was caring for Grove’s mum who lived near her in Milton Keynes, Bucks.

Mariella said her friends adored him—and her grown-up son and daughter, in their 20s, thought he was a caring companion for their mum.

She recalled: “When we met he was loving and attentive. We were like teenagers in love. Bruno wanted us to adopt a baby, and I thought he would make a wonderful father. I feel so stupid about that now.”

But after their wedding last summer, Mariella said Bruno changed. She explained: “He had told me he’d changed his name by deed poll because he’d had financial problems before he met me.

“I accepted that until after we married and he turned into a Jekyll and Hyde character. A nasty streak came out and he was very possessive.

"He wouldn’t let me speak to his family on my own, which now I realise was for fear I’d find out something.

“In the back of my mind I knew something was wrong.”

But it was only when Grove refused to stop peering into Mariella’s neighbours’ garden, where two young girls were playing, that she decided to turn detective.

She said: “I would regularly catch him looking out our bedroom window. He was leering at the girls as they bounced up and down on their trampoline. They were nine and 14. He became obsessed with watching them.

“He said he was just looking at the flowers in the garden so I told him to go downstairs to do that but he wouldn’t.

“I became really concerned and thought I would check him out—find out if there was anything in his past that he was hiding.”

She went to a library and searched through local newspaper archives for Bruno’s previous name. When she could not find anything she contacted the local crown court and asked for help.

Then, 12 weeks after her wedding day, she was shown files that revealed Grove’s previous conviction.

He had been sentenced to a community service for 100 hours and was under a probation order for 18 months, with a condition to attend a sex offenders group. He also had to pay £100 costs.

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Mariella recalled: “I was physically sick— I’d married a monster. I confronted him and said I knew the truth, he was a paedophile.

“He tried to deny it and claimed it was all lies but I had the documentation. I immediately asked him to leave. I’m pushing through the divorce as fast as I can.”

Bruno has moved in with his mother and Mariella is pushing for Sarah’s Law to be enforced throughout Britain.

She said: “Our laws don’t do enough. People can change their name by deed poll and hide from things like this.

“Changing your name and hiding the fact you were a sex offender is terrifying.

“I’m just glad that I found out what I did. Others might not be so lucky.”

SOURCE: Click here
Christianity EtcJade GOODY Died Today - Has She Really Gone To Heaven? by Recognise(op): 1:11pm On Mar 22, 2009
[size=14pt]Reality TV star Jade Goody dies [/size]
Page last updated at 11:18 GMT, Sunday, 22 March 2009

Reality TV star Jade Goody has died at the age of 27.

She died at home with her family in Upshire, Essex, in the early hours of Sunday after a high-profile battle with cervical cancer.

Her mother Jackiey Budden, who was at her side as she died, said: "My beautiful daughter is at peace."

Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he was "deeply saddened" by the news and described Goody as "a courageous woman both in life and death".

"The whole country has admired her determination to provide a bright future for her children.

"She will be remembered fondly by all who knew her and her family can be extremely proud of the work she has done to raise awareness of cervical cancer, which will benefit thousands of women across the UK."

Goody shot to fame after being a contestant in the third series of Big Brother in 2002 and was taking part in a version of the show in India last year when she was told of her illness.

The disease spread to her liver, groin and bowel and she was told it was terminal in February.

The star had been treated at the Royal Marsden Hospital in west London but wanted "to spend all the time she had got left" with new husband Jack Tweed and sons, Bobby, five, and Freddy, four.

Goody died at home at 0314 GMT on Mother's Day. Her body was taken out of her home shortly before 0800 GMT.

Speaking outside the home, Ms Budden said: "Family and friends would like privacy at last."

Mourners started arriving at the house to pay tribute to Goody within minutes of the news breaking.

Jackie Marron, who was among those leaving floral tributes at the gates, described Goody's work to highlight the risks of cancer as an "inspiration".

"The way she's done her things is absolutely fantastic,  her courage, her guts," she added.

The star had been christened in a 20-minute ceremony at the Royal Marsden on 7 March while in a wheelchair and was assisted by nurses during the service.

Media interest

Goody's illness had featured in the media on a daily basis over recent weeks.

She married partner Jack Tweed on 21 February at Down Hall Country House Hotel in Essex. OK! magazine paid a reported £700,000 to cover the event.

Goody stipulated that the entire amount should be passed on to her sons.

The wedding was also filmed as part of a documentary series following the star and was screened on digital channel Living.

Goody, originally from Bermondsey, south London, was initially famous for showing poor general knowledge on Big Brother. She was later accused of being racist towards Bollywood actress Shilpa Shetty during a celebrity version of the show.

However, public opinion softened when the star became ill.

She was open about wanting to exploit media interest in her battle with cancer to raise public awareness of the disease and prevent other women from suffering her fate.

Mr Clifford said: "I think she's going to be remembered as a young girl who has, and who will, save an awful lot of lives.

"She was a very, very brave girl and she faced her death in the way she faced her whole life - full on, with a lot of courage."

Cancer Research UK chief executive Harpal Kumar said: "Her brave battle with an aggressive form of cervical cancer has received widespread public attention and encouraged thousands of women to seek advice on how to prevent the disease.

"She has done a great public service by raising awareness of the importance of screening during her last few months of life."

'Celebration of life'

Phil Gould, associate editor of OK magazine, said: "Most women that I know who are in their 20s have now gone for smear tests or are trying to get smear tests because of what's happened to Jade."

Even in death the cameras will remain firmly fixed on Goody as preparations are made for her funeral.

Before she died she told those around her she wanted the service to be a "celebration" of her life.

"She wants it to be a big celebration because it's her final farewell to everybody," Mr Clifford said.

Describing the funeral as a "Jade Goody Production", he said the funeral cortege would process through Loughton - near her home in Upshire, Essex - after church service. No date for the service has yet been set.

Mr Clifford said Goody's children had known their mother was seriously ill.

"She sat down and explained that Mummy was going to heaven and that heaven is where people who are ill go to get better," he said. <<<<shocked shocked

"She said when they look in the sky and see a star, that's Mummy looking down." <<<<shocked shocked

He added that he hoped Goody's family would be left in peace to grieve.

TV presenter Jeff Brazier, the father of Goody's two sons, said he was "devastated" at Jade's death.

"I'm grateful the boys were able to say their goodbyes and spend that precious time with their wonderful mother," he said.

"Bobby and Freddie are my absolute priority and I will be doing everything I can to be their rock and to give them all my love and support to get them through a confusing and upsetting time."

Tweed, 21, is awaiting sentence after he was found guilty of attacking a taxi driver and threatening to stab him after leaving a club in Essex last year.

He was jailed for 18 months last September after assaulting a teenager with a golf club.

SOURCE: Click here
CelebritiesBig Brother Reality TV star Jade Goody Dies In Sleep by Recognise(op): 11:49am On Mar 22, 2009
[size=14pt]Reality TV star Jade Goody dies [/size]
Page last updated at 11:18 GMT, Sunday, 22 March 2009

Reality TV star Jade Goody has died at the age of 27.

She died at home with her family in Upshire, Essex, in the early hours of Sunday after a high-profile battle with cervical cancer.

Her mother Jackiey Budden, who was at her side as she died, said: "My beautiful daughter is at peace."

Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he was "deeply saddened" by the news and described Goody as "a courageous woman both in life and death".

"The whole country has admired her determination to provide a bright future for her children.

"She will be remembered fondly by all who knew her and her family can be extremely proud of the work she has done to raise awareness of cervical cancer, which will benefit thousands of women across the UK."

Goody shot to fame after being a contestant in the third series of Big Brother in 2002 and was taking part in a version of the show in India last year when she was told of her illness.

The disease spread to her liver, groin and bowel and she was told it was terminal in February.

The star had been treated at the Royal Marsden Hospital in west London but wanted "to spend all the time she had got left" with new husband Jack Tweed and sons, Bobby, five, and Freddy, four.

Goody died at home at 0314 GMT on Mother's Day. Her body was taken out of her home shortly before 0800 GMT.

Speaking outside the home, Ms Budden said: "Family and friends would like privacy at last."

Mourners started arriving at the house to pay tribute to Goody within minutes of the news breaking.

Jackie Marron, who was among those leaving floral tributes at the gates, described Goody's work to highlight the risks of cancer as an "inspiration".

"The way she's done her things is absolutely fantastic,  her courage, her guts," she added.

The star had been christened in a 20-minute ceremony at the Royal Marsden on 7 March while in a wheelchair and was assisted by nurses during the service.

Media interest

Goody's illness had featured in the media on a daily basis over recent weeks.

She married partner Jack Tweed on 21 February at Down Hall Country House Hotel in Essex. OK! magazine paid a reported £700,000 to cover the event.

Goody stipulated that the entire amount should be passed on to her sons.

The wedding was also filmed as part of a documentary series following the star and was screened on digital channel Living.

Goody, originally from Bermondsey, south London, was initially famous for showing poor general knowledge on Big Brother. She was later accused of being racist towards Bollywood actress Shilpa Shetty during a celebrity version of the show.

However, public opinion softened when the star became ill.

She was open about wanting to exploit media interest in her battle with cancer to raise public awareness of the disease and prevent other women from suffering her fate.

Mr Clifford said: "I think she's going to be remembered as a young girl who has, and who will, save an awful lot of lives.

"She was a very, very brave girl and she faced her death in the way she faced her whole life - full on, with a lot of courage."

Cancer Research UK chief executive Harpal Kumar said: "Her brave battle with an aggressive form of cervical cancer has received widespread public attention and encouraged thousands of women to seek advice on how to prevent the disease.

"She has done a great public service by raising awareness of the importance of screening during her last few months of life."

'Celebration of life'

Phil Gould, associate editor of OK magazine, said: "Most women that I know who are in their 20s have now gone for smear tests or are trying to get smear tests because of what's happened to Jade."

Even in death the cameras will remain firmly fixed on Goody as preparations are made for her funeral.

Before she died she told those around her she wanted the service to be a "celebration" of her life.

"She wants it to be a big celebration because it's her final farewell to everybody," Mr Clifford said.

Describing the funeral as a "Jade Goody Production", he said the funeral cortege would process through Loughton - near her home in Upshire, Essex - after church service. No date for the service has yet been set.

Mr Clifford said Goody's children had known their mother was seriously ill.

"She sat down and explained that Mummy was going to heaven and that heaven is where people who are ill go to get better," he said.

"She said when they look in the sky and see a star, that's Mummy looking down."

He added that he hoped Goody's family would be left in peace to grieve.

TV presenter Jeff Brazier, the father of Goody's two sons, said he was "devastated" at Jade's death.

"I'm grateful the boys were able to say their goodbyes and spend that precious time with their wonderful mother," he said.

"Bobby and Freddie are my absolute priority and I will be doing everything I can to be their rock and to give them all my love and support to get them through a confusing and upsetting time."

Tweed, 21, is awaiting sentence after he was found guilty of attacking a taxi driver and threatening to stab him after leaving a club in Essex last year.

He was jailed for 18 months last September after assaulting a teenager with a golf club.

SOURCE: Click here
Christianity EtcRe: Why Majority Of Christians And Their Leaders Will Miss Heaven. by Recognise: 5:15pm On Mar 21, 2009
OLAADEGBU:
@Recognise,

Nice to see you are back with a bang, especially with your illuminating, hilarious and humourous captions to brighten up a dull day. 

Bobbyaff and Viable seems to be members of the SDA which is not surprising due to their passionate emphasis on the Jewish Sabbath day.  I can only hope that they respond to my question in the post below.

I agree with you that after the seven year period in heaven with our Lord we will come back with Christ to reign in the millenial reign. May we all be ready when the Lord shall come for His own. In Jesus' name.
@OLAADEGBU

My fellow lord, how's the fort?

Ah, it's just the occasional time steal/sneak posting now and then, here and there.

If you want to confab, drop me a line and I'll holler back asap.

You know how we do it wink wink
Christianity EtcRe: Why Majority Of Christians And Their Leaders Will Miss Heaven. by Recognise: 3:25pm On Mar 21, 2009
OLAADEGBU:
@Viable,

Below is the quotation of what I said to your fellow seventh day Adventist, but up till now I am still waiting for his response, perhaps you will have something to say about the issues I raised in the post below.

Quote from: OLAADEGBU on March 19, 2009, 04:28 PM
@Bobbyaf,

I am satisfied with the fact that your church (The Seventh Day Adventists) teaches and believes the orthodox biblical teaching concerning the Trinity, the deity and incarnation of the Lord Jesus Christ, including His virgin birth, the Lord's bodily resurrection and ascension to heaven, and the prospect of His personal return to earth in glory. The sinfulness of human nature, salvation through faith in Christ alone and the necessity of the new birth which are all confirmed by you guys.

These are the fundamental issues that will determine our destinies. Hence, I extend my hand of friendship and brotherhood to you, we are brothers and sisters in Christ as we look forward to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in glory.

Nevertheless, I still think we should endeavour to study the whole truth and abide by it even when others are compromising with the evolutionist atheists.

It was Adrian Rogers that said
"It is better to be divided in truth than to be united in error,
it is better to speak truth that hurts and then heals than to speak a lie;
it is better to be hated for telling the truth than to be loved for telling a lie;
it is better to stand alone with truth than to be wrong with the multitude . . .

The religion of today is 'get-along-ism.'
It is time for men and women of God to stand, [even] if they have to stand alone."


However, we still differ on some teachings which I believe you have deviated from such as your teaching on the seventh-day sabbath, conditional immortality, investigative judgment, the heavenly sanctuary and the claim that Ellen White was a divinely appointed messenger of God.

It seems to me that you are making the same mistakes that the Galatian Christians whom Paul rebuked in Galatians 3:1-5 who were reverting back to the law instead of being led by the Spirit.

Paul's warning and pronouncement in Gal.1:6-9 should be heeded.

This is similar to the errors of the RCC who are now adding works and tradition to their faith so as to be saved, we are saved by faith alone, not plus works , and as you have rightly said earlier, that 'works' is only a product of our faith in Christ.

It seems that you have taken the gospel according to Ellen White who claimed that she saw a vision of the ark and the 10 commandments in heaven, and the 4th commandment with a halo around it and she interpreted this as being that Christians are not keeping this law.

You take her word as the word of God and this may explain why you keep insisting on the keeping the Jewish Sabbath law.

You must have forgotten or not taken notice that she was convinced that the prediction of your founder William Miller, that Christ's return was imminent to take place in 10 October 1843 and that He would set up His kingdom in America was the accurate prediction, she was again proved to be wrong.

The following morning of this 'great disappointment' is the time she now saw this supposed vision that you are now running with, trying to use the scriptures to justify her vision.

My sincere appeal to you and your members is to watch and pray so that you will not fall into the same trap that the RCC have fallen into who are now praying to the dead, a thing that the Lord has forbidden in His commandment.

Paul said
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

One of the signs that a Christian church is heading towards being a cult is when they isolate themselves thinking that they are the only ones keeping the commandments of God.

The Lord says
"Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent." Rev. 2:5.

For these reasons, let us put our argument aside and reach out to the lost who are groping in darkness, who Satan has blinded their minds from seeing the blessings of the gospel truth that has replaced the shadows and ceremonies of the old covenant.

As for the rest especially Bastage, Huxley and KunleOshob, it will do you a lot good if you can take the time to watch the videoclips posted and reflect on where you will spend your eternity.

May the Lord give you eyes that can see and ears that can hear and hearts that will perceive the light of the glorious gospel and that the daystar will appear in your hearts.
smiley So Bobbyaf is Seventh Day Adventist.

I vividly recall a couple of people, in the past, trying prise out of him which "organised church" he attends/fellowships.

He wasn't obliging then so when did he make the disclosure he is Seventh Day Adventist.

I aint got beef with Seventh Day Adventist or Bobbyaf.

Just didnt sense or saw Bobbyaf as a/the denominational type.
- no skin off my nose.

Hey just for a laugh, game to spot an organised church.


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JJYOU:
heaven.
@JJYOU

Am the same.

This malarky hullaballoo about Heaven.

I don't think they know they are coming back down back to Earth.

. . .  the penny will drop soon anyway.
Christianity EtcRe: Men Are Like God by Recognise: 1:22pm On Mar 21, 2009
Jagoon:
Men are like God and that's biblical, before some self righteous people decide to tear me apart based on that statement.

This statement if taken into proper perspective and the line of thought if developed could answer so many questions we human beings seek to know about ourselves, what we are, our purpose in life and what potential God has put in us.

Before I explain myself further let me back my statement scripturally

Genesis 1:26-27 says;

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them


From the above we can confirm that God created man in his likeness (for his own glory) even though God created man to be like him with immense powers and dominon over the earth,

God limited man this can be found well stated in Genesis 2:16-17

which states that;

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge for when you eat of it you will surely die."


From the above statement we can see that even though God created man to be like him (potentially), God restricted his knowledge there by his abilities, because the sole reason for creating man was to glorify God. But then man was led to eat of the tree of knowledge and he became knowledgeable.

Genesis 3:5-7

5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
7As soon as they had eaten it, they were given understanding and realized that they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and covered themselves.


From the above we can deduce that God created man to be very powerful creation like himself but he decided to limit man so as to keep man in check, however Man was Mis -led to eat from the tree of knowledge and he became knowledgeable like God. With this knowledge it was possible that man would get out of hand and start challeging God's authority because he as now become like God, what did God now do? the answer and the reason for God's action can be found in Genesis 3:22

which says;

"And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

The implication of the above statement is that if man is allowed to live long enough with the potential God has put in man and the knowledge he has acquired, man could develop to being a God unto himself.

To avoid this God decided to limits man's life. There is a lot of credence to this statement, if we consider how much man as developed from the time of creation, from being mere hunters and gatherers man as developed and invented a lot of amazing things ranging from space travel to the internet, to telecommunications, to genetic engineering to so many other achievements that are too numerous to mention in this forum.

Despite all these achievements of Man there is scientific evidence that man is performing no where near his potential. A study of the human brain by scientist revealed that the average human being uses up only 5% of their brain potential throughout their lifespan and that even the most intelligent geniuses only use up 9% of their potential. This implies that if we are made to live much longer and we could use up more of our brain potential and would be able to achieve 10- 20 times more than we are achieving now.

Considering what man as been able to achieve with just 5% utilizaton of brain potential using up 100% could translate into real God like powers and you know what terrible things man could do with this powers.

NB: This post is in no way trying to diminsh the power of God over man or compare him to man, it primarily gives glory to God for being able to creat man with so much awsome potentials, it is also meant to celebrate man whom God has created for his Glory and to be like him, help us understand and appreciate who we are as human beings better and to stimulate intellectual discourse into this topic

Who is Man??
@Jagoon

This is going to be short and snappy, along with plugging a few holes; the odd fly will drop into the ointment you posted.

Men are like God . . . Who is Man?? you asked

Without a shadow of doubt Man is like God.

Simple illustration:
Mirror reflection - the image is ones likeness; it is the way one is seen, it is not actually one (i.e. the image is not one; it only bears a resemblance to one)

Another simple illustration:
Bright color clothes – wear them to express a cheerful and upbeat appearance, the bright colors are not me, they are merely an image to convey a look or expression.

So Man is like God but not God.

You talked about "Decided to limit man so as to keep man in check"

You referenced "Must not eat from the tree of the knowledge?"


Genesis 2:17]Genesis 2:17

Amplified Bible (AMP)
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and blessing and calamity you shall not eat,
for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.


New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
for when you eat of it you will surely die.


Contemporary English Version (CEV)
except the one that has the power to let you know the difference between right and wrong.
If you eat any fruit from that tree, you will die before the day is over!"
[/quote]Hmm, the latter obviously referenced from the above.

Well God hasn’t got a low or questionable self worth/esteem to feel threatened or endangered by Man at any time.

In the beginning God never had an issue with Adam becoming knowledgeable.

Man (i.e. Adam) was expected to approach, ask or question God on any matter whatsoever (i.e. Without exceptions, keep God in the loop at all time concerning issues)

It was kind of an open door policy set-up with a 24/7 direct access to GOD.

God get inundated or overwhelmed with questions? Nah, God doesn’t mind, He can handle it.

Remember the phrase? “If you don’t know, you better ask somebody”

That somebody to ask is/was GOD unfortunately Man (i.e. Adam) wasn’t keen on that idea.

On the face of it, the “limit” was for Man’s good (i.e. to protect Adam)

Remember the tree of the knowledge of good and evil possessed the power that enables one to experience the difference between right and wrong (i.e. good and evil)

One needs to have experienced (i.e. tasted something) pleasant and unpleasant in order to tell the difference between sweet and sour.

Eve was deceived. Adam? Oh no, he was not deceived by Eve or anyone for that matter.

Adam was impatient, wanted out and consequently made a conscious decision (i.e. choice) not to depend and/or rely on God anymore for information (i.e. knowledge)

Man (i.e. Adam) wanted to do it “his way” too akin to Frank Sinatra’s “I did it my way” song, consequently Man (i.e. Adam) opted for independence, self-reliance, sovereignty of his destiny etc so yielded (i.e. caved in) to the temptation.

That was an ill-advised move, a big mistake and unwise choice because from then on Adam will now have to be responsible and accountable for all decisions made and actions taken and face immediate or later consequences if any.

Eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil triggered the good and evil know-how and the experience hurtled Man (i.e. Adam) into a jam and even present-day quagmire.

The blamelessness and enjoyment of not knowing what is good or evil lost.

Did y’all notice that no one stood up to be held responsible for eating the fruit? More exactly they were playing the blame game, pointing fingers at each other - Just as in some responses posted here.

Man (i.e. Adam) could have at least, be a man that he is/was.

When asked about eating the fruit Man (i.e. Adam) could have stood up, hold up his hands, confess (i.e. admit eating the fruit) and sobbingly say something like in the below lines:

“Boo-hu-ha-ha-ha Ha-ha . . .
God! Please!! Leave Eve out of this.
It’s me, I am to blame. I am sorry.
Please give us another chance;
it won’t happen again blah blah blah . . . ”


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You talked about "If we are made to live much longer and we could use up more of our brain potential and would be able to achieve 10-20 times more than we are achieving now"

Not entirely correct and so beg to differ – Without God’s OK, potentials doesn’t bud and come into flower.

It is God that gives and/or allow . . .

Methuselah among others had lived longer. Methuselah lived to be 969. Are we sure he used up more of his brain potential than those that lived less?
- We all know why Methuselah lived that long anyway, at any rate that’s for a different posting/topic.

How Bezaleel and Aholiab came about their unique gifts readily comes to mind


Exodus 31:1-6:
Exodus 31:1-6 Amplified Bible (AMP)

1 AND THE Lord said to Moses,
2 See, I have called by name Bezalel son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah.
3 And I have filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom and ability, in understanding and intelligence, and in knowledge, and in all kinds of craftsmanship,
4 To devise skillful works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in bronze,
5 And in cutting of stones for setting, and in carving of wood, to work in all kinds of craftsmanship.
6 And behold, I have appointed with him Aholiab son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan; and to all who are wisehearted I have given wisdom and ability to make all that I have commanded you:
Just about closing and submitting this posting but you also mentioned " . . . Considering what man as been able to achieve . . ."

What is the use of achievement(s)? Where often they are centred around self glory that excludes God.

Bottom line is that the original idea was that Man do or be doing the right thing, at the right time whilst been on God’s right side (i.e. good side)

We are slowly but surely circling back to that point.


KunleOshob:
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The whole world is one big mystery,

Man has not been able to understand who God really is or what life is all about,

there are a lot more questions than answers and we would never ever know.

I Believe God wanted it that way, but as human beings we would keep asking questions.[/size]
@KunleOshob

You talked about:
" . . . mystery . . . we would never ever know . . .
Believe God wanted it that way, but as human beings we would keep asking questions"


I have learnt from experience directly and/or indirectly and have stopped using the word "never"

It ties up God's hand and literally limits Him . . .


[quote author=Proverbs 25:2]Proverbs 25:2

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
It is the glory of God to conceal a matter;
to search out a matter is the glory of kings.


Contemporary English Version (CEV)
God is praised for being mysterious;
rulers are praised for explaining mysteries.
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Christianity EtcRe: What Are The Old And New Covenants? by Recognise: 10:44pm On Mar 20, 2009
Bobbyaf:
. . . one of the most misunderstood topics in the bible is the Old and New Covenants.

Nearly most have been taught that the old covenant was the 10 commandment law, and that the new covenant contains only grace and promises, but no law.

. . . that the fault of the Old Covenant was with the law.

I'd just like to ask who gave the law?

Did a perfect God prescribe the law? Did He anticipate any unforeseen issues surrounding the covenant?

Who do we blame for the apparent issues? Well, let us see.

Before I proceed further though, I'd like anyone to define what exactly the Old Covenant was. This will be the basis for further discussions.

I'd like for us to take a good look at what exactly defines both.
Allow me to drop in some sparklers and fan the flames to stir up this bonfire.
- We are going to skirt around the deep end a bit. wink

Right! Here is me, putting two cents in, real quick just like OLAADEGBU, gotta run smiley
- couldn't upload this posting last night 'cos the site was continually having a downtime, better late than never eh?

i) What was God before He became a/our Father?

ii) What is LAW?

iii) What is the LAW?

Plainly, a KING.

What's more, any and/or every word that proceeds from the KING (i.e. GOD) is LAW, is the law (i.e. the KING's word is LAW)

Based on PSALM 138:2's scriptural fact, we know that GOD magnifies His Word above all His name. grin

Actually God respects His word above himself (PS: a perfect example to emulate or follow)


Isaiah 55:11:
Isaiah 55:11

King James Version (KJV)

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:
it shall not return unto me void,
but it shall accomplish that which I please,
and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Amplified Bible (AMP)

So shall My word be that goes forth out of My mouth:
it shall not return to Me void [without producing any effect or useless],
but it shall accomplish that which I please and purpose,
and it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.

Contemporary English Version (CEV)

That's how it is with my words.
They don't return to me without doing everything I send them to do."
The above references, on the surface, likely explains the reason for GOD’s word economy (i.e. His carefulness with uttering or word use/choice)

We can notice that the King’s word is potent, very potent and so an insight to why God does not talk much, talk too much, or better still often does not talk at all.

What preceded the other? The law(s) or covenant(s)? - The answer is obvious

This question begs asking, coining Jesus’ “In the beginning . . . “ phrase/style, 

“In the beginning was there a need for a covenant?” - The answer equally obvious.

In the beginning we always had the law(s) . . .

Consensual laws - entered into by mutual consent void of any formal agreement between Adam and God the King.

- Remember only one of the laws was prohibiting.

At any rate, presently the Law and covenant are mutually inclusive; like a hand in a glove we can’t have one without the other?

The circle cycle ultimately leads us back to the starting point original word logos logic idea intended by the King.

Brb. Time for a KitKat, don't cha think  . . .
Christianity EtcAtheist Nurse Tries To Get Self 'de-baptised' by Recognise(op): 9:21pm On Mar 19, 2009
Atheist nurse tries to get himself 'de-baptised' from Church of England
By Martin Beckford, Religious Affairs Correspondent

An atheist is trying to get himself "de-baptised" from the Church of England because he believes he was accepted into the religion without his consent.

John Hunt, a nurse, is one of a growing number of people around the world who want their former involvement with faith groups to be struck from official records.

Now 56, he was baptised at the parish church of St Jude with St Aidan in Thornton Heath, south London, when he was just a baby.

But as a schoolboy he decided he did not believe in God and stopped going to Sunday school aged 11.

More recently he asked Southwark diocese to remove his name from the baptismal roll, because he believes he was too young to agree to the ceremony taking place.

He was told that his baptism cannot be deleted because it is a matter of historical record.

However, he paid £60 to place an advert in the London Gazette, an official journal dating back to the 17th century, in which he rejected publicly the Christian faith, and wants church leaders to put a copy of the announcement in the baptismal roll.

Mr Hunt said: "I think it's important that more people speak out and say they don't subscribe to the historic beliefs of the Church."

He has got a copy of a "de-baptism" certificate produced by the National Secular Society, which states: "I, John Geoffrey Hunt, having been subjected to the rite of Christian baptism in infancy hereby publicly revoke any implications of that rite.

"I reject all its creeds and other such superstitions in particular the perfidious belief that any baby needs to be cleansed of original sin."

The society says an estimated 100,000 people have downloaded such certificates from its website over the past five years. It produces mock official versions, and has had to order a new consignment of parchment to meet demand.

Although the Church of England's policy is that it will not record formally those who wish to renounce their baptism, Roman Catholic canon law allows a process known as a "formal act of defection" from the faith. This means that a note will be made on a person's baptismal record stating that they have left the church.

De-baptism movements exist in Catholic countries such as Spain, Italy and Argentina, while Germans are allowed to renounce their baptism officially in order to get out of paying a church tax.

Terry Sanderson, the president of the NSS, admitted its de-baptism certificate had been produced originally as a "tongue-in-cheek" joke but added that the procedure is now being taken seriously by an increasing number of atheists.

He said: "There's so much anger against the church that people actually want to make a statement against it."

The Bishop of Croydon, the Rt Rev Nick Baines, said: "Whether we agree whether it should have happened or not is a different matter.

"But it's a bit like trying to expunge Trotsky from the photos. You can't remove from the record something that actually happened."

SOURCE: Click here
Foreign AffairsIrish Spend Most At Hotel Minibars - Survey by Recognise(op): 10:48pm On Mar 18, 2009
Irish spend most at hotel minibars - survey

JASON MICHAEL

The Irish are the biggest spenders when it comes to satisfying their cravings at hotel minibars, according to a survey released today.

Research has revealed the Irish spending an average of €23.47 on minibar items every time they go away, comfortably ahead of the Swedes, their closest rivals with average minibar spending of €17.45, and the British, who on average spend €16.66.

At the other end of the scale, it is the French and the Norwegians who are the most frugal, spending just €12 and €10 respectively, according to the survey. Two-thirds of respondents said they regularly use the hotel minibar.

According to the survey, conducted by hotel-booking website Hotels.com, 84 per cent of Irish believe minibars are too expensive, and 6 per cent admit to "minibar meddling" – cheating the system by replacing what they have used from the minibar with cheaper alternatives bought from a shop.

Moreover, almost half (44 per cent) said they avoided the minibar where possible by buying snacks and drinks from outside the hotel to consume in their room, while 67 per cent of Irish are most likely to use the minibar last thing at night when the urge for late-night treats becomes irresistable.

In terms of preferred contents, two-thirds of men chose beer for their perfect minibar, with 20 per cent choosing massage oil, while women were more concerned about finding chocolate (48 per cent) and a good book or magazine (34 per cent).

The research also found a number of hotels are also catering for more exotic minibar desires. For example, guests at one hotel in Dublin can obtain a "Kama Sutra Kit," which includes a a feather, a frilly pink blindfold and a range of scented oils.

Elsewhere, a hotel in Miami is providing a "love-vendor my fridge" service that allows guests to order a number of personalised minibars, including the "Get It On Minibar," which includes a Barry White CD, edible body paint, Champagne and whipped cream.

The survey was conducted among 850 people across eight European countries during March by Hotels.com.

SOURCE: Click here
CrimeRe: Let's Catch This Paedophile by Recognise: 8:46pm On Mar 15, 2009
Manmustwac:
If i see him I go call Crimestoppers.

You should have posted his picture here on this page
FYI other Nairaland postings that has the picture

For "Let's Catch This Paedophile": Click here

OR

For "MOST WANTED:Paedophile Suspect - Help Protect Our Young Daughters": Click here
PoliticsRe: Non-stop Power Supply In Kwara State- Is It True? by Recognise: 8:10pm On Mar 15, 2009
Deor03:
Even if these projects are out of jealousy or rivalry,

I LOVE THIS TYPE OF RIVALRY, other than rivalry of the fattest Swiss account
@Deor03

My operative word (i.e. choice of words) was unhealthy jealousy . . .

Embracing brilliance and excellence in their functioning and executions is our expectations of the elected

and not for them to think the office is a call of duty or a competition for trashing out others . . .
PoliticsRe: Non-stop Power Supply In Kwara State- Is It True? by Recognise: 6:49pm On Mar 15, 2009
Nateevs:
As if that's not enough . . . Check the Asa Dam Conference Centre and Resort in Kwara State. .

I am not from Kwara and I don't even fancy Bukola . . .

but If he goes ahead and accomplishes this, then he's put Kwara on the globe . . .
@Nateevs

Most aren't from Kwara too . . .

Its a beacon of light and a ray of hope for the whole nation at large worth celebrating . . .

The Kwara State Travel Plaza and the Asa Dam Conference Centre & Resort that you kindly showcased is all about recognising very good initiatives designed to do what’s best for state and the voting public (i.e.  merely giving credit where due and acknowledging excellence regardless of state of origin . . .)

Thank God Awo set and left some precedents in the past
We know it can be done . . .
So c’mon! Why not again and/or now . . . 

PS: One just hopes such (i.e. similar) projects or undertakings here or elsewhere aren't misconstrued to be a competition or rivalry (i.e. unhealthy jealousy) between states.
PoliticsRe: Non-stop Power Supply In Kwara State- Is It True? by Recognise: 4:21pm On Mar 15, 2009
Nateevs:
uhmmmm

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@Nateevs

Here's the video play you're trying to upload . . .


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An audacious 24/7 electricity venture by Kwara State.

This course of action is admirable and praiseworthy.

My eyes have gone green but hey no hating, its all good . . .

Shame though concerning all the "will it last" fears and/or echoes.


Presido1  on March 12, 2009, 06:47 PM:

Let the state government issue a token meter to every house, office and shop
so that they will pay for the electricity as at when due

otherwise unpaid bills will cripple the system b4 long.

Token again will make them use the electricity when its necessary
and put off every appliance that is not in use.

They will save money and environment at the same time.

KUDOS to the State.
The idea of coin meters or something of the likes agreeably is necessary to deter and discourage detractors and lie in wait anti-progress agents.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Bible Quotations For Memorization And Meditation — Deuteronomy 31:8 by Recognise: 6:39pm On Mar 13, 2009
2 Timothy 4:18:
2 Timothy 4:18 (King James Version)

And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work,
and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom:
to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Christianity EtcRe: Pls Explain This. by Recognise: 7:36pm On Mar 12, 2009
Arewa4:
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BTW TRUSTING GOD AND ''TESTING'' GOD

(THATS IF U CAN)
huh undecided
@Lagosboy

Well said

@Arewa4 (f)

The former is just about not QUESTIONING GOD; (i.e. been GOD GULLIBLE; GOD CREDULOUS; GOD UNSUSPICIOUS etc)

- Outrightly sitting on a chair without questioning or checking whether it'll take one's weight and not collapse in a manner of illustration is a crude example of "trusting"

The latter in relation to certain issues/matter simply is about TRYING GOD OUT (i.e.  TRIALLING GOD concerning these issues)

- Checking a chair before sitting with confidence to ascertain/confirm it will take one's weight and not collapse whilst sitting in a manner of illustration is a simple example of "testing"

Man trusts God and vice-versa.

God tests Man. Notice no vice-versa in this respect.


God testing references: Job 23:10
But he knows the way that I take; when he has tested me, I will come forth as gold.

Psalm 66:10
For you, O God, tested us; you refined us like silver.

Ecclesiastes 3:18
I also thought, "As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals.

Isaiah 48:10
See, I have refined you, though not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction
As a matter of fact Man isn’t expected to test God.


Deuteronomy 6:16

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
Do not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah.

Contemporary English Version (CEV)
So don't try to make him prove that he can help you, as you did at Massah

Matthew 4:7

Contemporary English Version (CEV)
Jesus answered, "The Scriptures also say, `Don't try to test the Lord your God!' "

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
Jesus answered him, It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test
The exception to the above is when/where explicitly and absolutely encouraged or prompted to.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Bible Quotations For Memorization And Meditation — Deuteronomy 31:8 by Recognise: 5:24pm On Mar 12, 2009
Psalm 145:12-13:
Psalm 145:12-13

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

12so that all men may know of your mighty acts and the glorious splendour of your kingdom.

13Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and your dominion endures through all generations.

The LORD is faithful to all his promises and loving towards all he has made.

Contemporary English Version (CEV)

12Then everyone will know about the mighty things you do and your glorious kingdom.

13 Your kingdom will never end, and you will rule forever.

Our LORD, you keep your word and do everything you say.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Bible Quotations For Memorization And Meditation — Deuteronomy 31:8 by Recognise: 8:13pm On Mar 11, 2009
Luke 12:32:
Luke 12:32

King James Version (KJV)

Fear not, little flock;
for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

Amplified Bible (AMP)

Do not be seized with alarm and struck with fear, little flock,
for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom!
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create Money? by Recognise: 6:38pm On Mar 11, 2009
Kola Oloye:
In the beginning there was nothing like money even trading was by barter.
@Kola Oloye

So?

Kola Oloye is here.

In the beginning was there any Kola Oloye? No

So does it prove false God didn't create Kola Oloye? No

Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create Money? by Recognise: 12:34pm On Mar 11, 2009
Dgreatrock:
Considering what people go through, do or experience just to have money

I sort of wonder such thing was really created by God.

One is never satisfied with it, if you have a $1,000 today

you find yourself seeking for $2,000 in the next instance.

I dont know how it is with you and what your views might be,

but I cant stop wondering if God created it.
John 1:1-3:
John 1:1-3

Amplified Bible (AMP)

1IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ),
and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.

2He was present originally with God.

3All things were made and came into existence through Him;
and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being.

King James Version (KJV)

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2He was with God in the beginning.

3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
@Dgreatrock

My friend, I sense you brought this up for the benefit of all.

Anyways as noticed in the above verses all things were made by God and came into existence through Him;

Nothing, not even one thing made, money inclusive has come into being without God's thumb's up.

Remember Genesis 1:22 "And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply . . .

Genesis 1:22 and having dreams fuels the desire . . .

New dreams leads to renewed visions and ultimately necessitated revised provisions . . . 


[center]Colossians 1:16 - Contemporary English Version (CEV)
Everything was created by him,
everything in heaven and on earth,
everything seen and unseen,
including all forces
and powers, and all rulers and authorities.
All things were created by God's Son,
and everything was made for him.
[/center]
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Bible Quotations For Memorization And Meditation — Deuteronomy 31:8 by Recognise: 10:41pm On Mar 10, 2009
Matthew 13:39:
Matthew 13:39

King James Version (KJV)

The enemy that sowed them is the devil;
the harvest is the end of the world;
and the reapers are the angels.

Amplified Bible (AMP)

And the enemy who sowed it is the devil.
The harvest is the close and consummation of the age,
and the reapers are angels.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

and the enemy who sowed them is the devil,
and the harvest is a full end of the age,
and the reapers are messengers.

Contemporary English Version (CEV)

and the one who scattered them is the devil.
The harvest is the end of time,
and angels are the ones who bring in the harvest.

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

and the enemy who sows them is the devil.
The harvest is the end of the age,
and the harvesters are angels.
Christianity EtcRe: Poll: PASTOR DEAD In CHURCH SHOOTING by Recognise(op): 10:29pm On Mar 10, 2009
Should pastors have minders (i.e. Bodyguards)? Don't forget the POLL survey

PS: @Epi (f)
Thanks for your input . . .
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Bible Quotations For Memorization And Meditation — Deuteronomy 31:8 by Recognise: 12:44am On Mar 09, 2009
Matthew 13:38:
Matthew 13:38

Contemporary English Version (CEV)

The field is the world,
and the good seeds are the people who belong to the kingdom.
The weed seeds are those who belong to the evil one,
Christianity EtcPoll: PASTOR DEAD In CHURCH SHOOTING by Recognise(op): 10:35pm On Mar 08, 2009
[img width=300 height=300]http:///au5zor[/img] A man shot a pastor to death and injured several others at a church during a service in the community of Maryville, Illinois, police said.

Illinois Master Trooper Ralph Timmins said the man walked down the aisle during the early Sunday service at First Baptist Church in Maryville.

He said the man exchanged words with pastor Fred Winters and then pulled out a .45-calibre handgun.

Mr Timmins said the man fatally shot Mr Winters once before the gun jammed, then pulled out a knife and wounded himself.

Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker and two of them suffered minor injuries.

Mr Timmins said officials don't know if Mr Winters and the suspect knew each other.

Maryville is about 20 miles north-east of St Louis.

Mr Winters, a father of two who had led First Baptist for nearly 22 years, was the former president of the Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor for Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the church's website.

"Our great God is not surprised by this, or anything," Nate Adams, executive director of the Illinois Baptist State Association, said in a statement.

"That He allows evil and free will to have their way in tragedies like this is a mystery in many ways. But we know we can trust Him no matter what, and draw close to Him in any circumstances."

Source: Click here

Should pastors have minders (i.e. Bodyguards)? Don't forget the POLL survey
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Bible Quotations For Memorization And Meditation — Deuteronomy 31:8 by Recognise: 9:24pm On Mar 08, 2009
Matthew 13:24-25 :
Matthew 13:24-25

King James Version (KJV)
24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,
The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25But while men slept, his enemy came
and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Amplified Bible (AMP)

24Another parable He set forth before them, saying,
The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.

25But while he was sleeping, his enemy came
and sowed also darnel (weeds resembling wheat) among the wheat, and went on his way.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

24Another simile he set before them, saying:
The reign of the heavens was likened to a man sowing good seed in his field,

25and, while men are sleeping, his enemy came
and sowed darnel in the midst of the wheat, and went away,

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

24Jesus told them another parable:
The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.

25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came
and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.

Contemporary English Version (CEV)

24Jesus then told them this story: The kingdom of heaven
is like what happened when a farmer scattered good seed in a field.

25But while everyone was sleeping, an enemy came
and scattered weed seeds in the field and then left.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Bible Quotations For Memorization And Meditation — Deuteronomy 31:8 by Recognise: 10:19pm On Mar 07, 2009
Matthew 13:31:
Matthew 13:31

King James Version (KJV)

Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,
The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed,
which a man took, and sowed in his field:

Amplified Bible (AMP)

Another story by way of comparison He set forth before them, saying,
The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed,
which a man took and sowed in his field.

Contemporary English Version (CEV)

Jesus told them another story:
The kingdom of heaven is like what happens when a farmer plants a mustard seed in a field.
Christianity EtcPOLL: The Shack - By William P. Young by Recognise(op): 11:09pm On Mar 06, 2009
The SHACK - by William P. Young

Have you heard about this book?

Have read it?

What's your experience, take, review etc of the book?


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Christianity EtcPOLL: Are You Good Enough For The Honeymoon In Heaven? by Recognise(op): 10:55pm On Mar 06, 2009
QUICK 8-QUESTION TEST

This test is designed to answer 2 questions:

1) Are you a good person according to God's standards?

2) And if so, are you good enough for the "honeymoon" in heaven?

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