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bossladyMo: DEPORTATION TOH BAHDT!

607 is a cool ride. Mine is auto system, V6 (2007 model), although not up to a year and I have not had up to 6 months experience with it before I left the country.

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I think you will need an affidavit for yours while it is not necessary for the child.

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I think the certificate is okay, no need of using affidavit; same for the little child too.

Texaco, Toludadon and others, I like your opinions and approaches to issues. While some of us may tend towards a party, which is not bad anyway, but we must put up things for the benefit of our land and society. The discourse of this thread has tilted away from the original title and are still maintaining decorum, which is what governance has to be.
I am still looking forward to hearing more contributions from you guys anyway.

texaco1: hello my bro, sorry for my long silence. The problem with nigeria is not bad leadership but bad follower ship,I know this will come as a surprise to many. You see in the us here , most of their citizens are deeply involve in the electioneering process, let me put it like this ,you can't win unless the people want u to. That is why debates are done, candidates mingle with ppl and you have to table your points and policies and how you intend to carry it out.but in nigeria that isn't the case,I can tell you that half of those that vote in nigeria are party members of parties not that it isn't so here but what about the other. People,nigeria is a nation of about 150million but still less than half of thatt number has voters card. For example look at the case of ekiti ,I am sure there will be over 5million ppl in that state but less than 1million voted,nigerian feel indifferent toward goverment and only complain when the wrong ppl get there,until nigerians take their destiny in their hands and realize that their vote is their power ,nigeria will continue to have bad leadership. Rigging starts from voters registration and I can bet with u that unless govt mandates it many ppl won't register,now how will they exercise their power to choose?

I agree with you on that, but in a situation in which our leaders all travel to other countries and see what happens there, a form of exposure I will say, and cannot replicate that in their country is something pathetic to me. Dora Akunyili, of blessed memory, was sick and nothing could be done in any of the Nigerian hospitals until she had to be flown out of our country. What if the country she was flown to didn't put their house in order, would she be flown there? A German friend of mine wanted to go for another postgrad study in UK before but dumped that school for the one in his country because he won't be paying a minimal fee for the cost of the program. As a Nigerian, what benefits have we gotten since birth? The Akinjides of the 1960s are still the same set of Akinjides that we are hearing today, but they haven't added much impact to our society but what their own pockets. As wealthy as Nigeria is, because Nigeria is not a poor country, only few people can lay claim to the wealth of the land, leaving vast majority out of the loop and our leaders see how other countries treat their citizens. Why don't they crave for inculcating that in our country and see whether people will die for them or not?
In Oyo State for example, we saw how monies were being shared (I am sure you would know this). When the Mapo hall was renovated, we know the project was inflated; this is not peculiar to Oyo State alone, but to all states in Nigeria and we want to talk about progress in our land when these are happening? It cannot be sir. In one country, I heard that the government sometimes give their permanent residents some money, out of their own generosity, and here we are jumping up and down over crumbs. It just seems like we are not ready for change at all.
On this forum, we all see how our compatriots bicker against each other on political issues. Not everyone will belong to the same party, but the reverse is the case in Nigeria, whereby party faithfuls will see opponents as enemies instead of agents of growth and development. Will I blame them? Just quite sad.
Oyo State is a big state, with vast area of landmass; a hub for agricultural development to me, yet the government hasn't deemed it fit to tap into that to launch into aggressive mechanized farming; same with all states across the southern hemisphere of Nigeria. What stops states like Delta, Bayelsa, Akwa Ibom, C/Rivers and Rivers from tapping into their fishing potentials, by establishing caned fish companies? Why should we be still importing vegetable oil to Nigeria?

texaco1: do u want us to treat this point?because tthis is another topic entirely . Very wide topic and It is an issue that a lot.

Why not? You see, nobody knows it all, and that is why we all learn everyday. You are in a country where things work, and what we see our leaders do here and throw ourselves into frenzy is what will be regarded as junks; you and I know this. Although I don't really know what happened, since I am not in the country now, but a situation in which a sitting king, a respectable person, is being accused of corruption is totally a thing of disgrace. Why are our leaders so desperate to be in office? They are because they know that they can easily buy out people to get into power and once it is done, they forget about the essence of leadership.

Texaco1,

Although I know what politics does to our society but don't you think looking out for one's interest, which is what our politicians are doing, is detriment to the growth of our nation? If it's about money and what people are going to get, are we not trading-off our collective gain in the future for temporal crumbs?

Many people do say that the elites do not vote; should I blame them for not voting when it appears that our supposed leaders are bereft of political ideology and they can easily sweep off many of our people off their feet.

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While the government has something to do with economic growth of a state, it is not an achievement of a government in listing a private establishment at theirs. The malls built are not the government's doings but investors doing but kudos to the government for creating a viable environment for economic growth.
However, true economic growth to me, is when I start seeing agriculture take the center stage in the State, and even rural areas enjoying more than what the urban.

DrummaBoy: Thank you sir for your admonition. I take it as a word to myself too.

Indeed it was to avoid such "petty fight" that I thought it good to discontinue my conversation with Ihedinobi.

One of the realities some of our brethren who live outside the shores of this country might have lost touch with (this is not intended for Ihedinobi; I don't know where he lives) is that they do not realize the extent of the damage these teachings are doing to our national life at the moment, especially the thinking of our young people.

That's why the objective of this thread must be pursued to a logical end.

To be honest, it has damaged us. The church used to be the last place where corruption would be traced but not, it's like the church is at the epicenter of financial impropiety. I never believed my ear when I heard that some people, in my church at home, were involved in inflating the cost of getting land for a project. I was highly ashamed. I heard the senior pastor in my mom's church, although not part of the WoF movement, say that sometimes they get disappointed in giving an unbeliever work to do because they won't have complaints with them unlike the members of the same household of faith now that they will be begging to get things done correctly. An issue that relates to perpetuating fraud was witnessed recently, something that involves a deacon, and one would wonder why these are happening to us? The church, that should be complementing each other, is now competing against each other. If not building, it is membership, and if not membership, it is income. It's like the church is moving away from what it used to be before and one would always ask WHY?
Our campus fellowships are now turning into something else, as some of these teachings are what believers are now fed with.

sainty2k3: Education sector: perhaps one other achievement of ladoja admin. That will not be forgotten in a while, 25 student per class, building new schools and new classes with employment of teacher to achieve this. It became worse during Akala, who stopeed trending the path, and further worsened during Ajimobi term,who has been hiding behind the stick of road construction.

Ladoja had a plan for the education sector but he couldn't finish it, or probably say he couldn't work much, due to the crises that maimed his government, but he did badly with the way he lumped-up schools together (same thing Osun governor did recently). He had a plan of re-building all schools, hence his start-up work on constructing 33 model schools across the State at that time. Not all schools had the 25 students/class thing, except you are talking about the model schools he did and not all schools were rebuilt.

sainty2k3: Why Ajimobi must go? The widely asked question, I will like to answer without a partisan mind
In 2011 he promised heaven and earth to the civil servants but what do we see; reduction of salary, irregularly paid salary, pegged promotion, heavy deduction. Mass retrenchment (though he later recalled some). He is now try into be friendly with them , promising them heaven again, but once beaten twice shy

Yes, Ajimobi promised some things to the civil servants but he later reneged on it. The minimum wage issue is one of my grouse with him, although he gave the reason why that happened, but I believe he shouldn't have canvassed for votes with that promise at that time. As for reduction of salary, I heard the rumour but I have not seen anyone talk about it, except you know one. The Akala government was accused of that too.

sainty2k3: Skewed imftastructure,- the major achievement he could claim is infrastructure and that is grossly skewed, infact people who met him on some request I'm their areas he always say it ' e kuku dibo fun wa' meaning u didn't vote for us. Example Ona ara LGA no electric power since 2012, no road access at Ariyo bridge which is now also abandoned. Same with Oluyole, and Apete is there too
It seems he invest in infrastructure in the center area of ib, where everyone will see it. We the Loki's are suffering, and he's not looking our side.
We are waiting till 2015

I could see someone calling for Folarin to be PDP candidate but we must not forget that same Folarin, former Senate leader, is from that Ona Ara LG, and for 4 years, the road wasn't given attention at all. The Akala government did a "patch-work" on that road twice and we still have that bridge scenario there till today. As for the power situation, I am sorry to say, the people deserve what they are getting now. Although the state government can plead with the power company to rebuild that place, but the power is still on the company/FG to do that. What were the people thinking before they went to vandalize that substation? You can't blame the government fully on that at all.
Road construction is not an achievement of a government at all, but a necessity of what is to be done for the people, but if things had been done properly, no one would be talking about bridge today. The Ajimobi government fumbled in that Apete bridge, as it shouldn't take that long before they could do that place (2011-2014 is too bad for me) and they need to apologize to the people of that area.

sainty2k3: What artisans and traders got to say, ask commercial bus drivers and OKAda riders how he imposed a sum of amount on them to register with the state, this has no other benefit that to generate money, OK Ada riders pay up to 4000,
The traders were tormented by him and his militant group who took advantage of the situation, misuse the power as bestowed upon them by the governor.

The YES-O team were not serious at all with the way they handled some things but if the traders had been compliant with the law, they wouldn't give those silly people, not all of them though, power to cause harm. There has to be order, though we like it when we see it done somewhere but we don't want it in our backyard. You may want to accuse the government of being mean with the way it handled the demolition of some shops at Agodi-Gate, but I will tell you that the government returned back to status quo of what had been before, so many years ago.

Thank you Bash92 for your expatiation.
But what about the case of reduction in FG allocation? Is it true?
The abuse of the pensioners is uncalled for, anyway.

idumuose: All these fighting because of politics and yet you can never see the sons of the aspirants fighting to defend their father,even though they

Will be the beneficiaries of the political office

It shows that some people are too shallow in thinking. Before the Ekiti election, we were shown the picture of a guy felled by a bullet (only God knows what happened) but the winner has won and he, with his party members, will be enjoying their own success at the end, not mindful who died.

Adedibu had well educated sons, some didn't even study in Nigeria sef, yet some silly loyalists were given weapons and told to disrupt peace of the land, all for the sake of his, and cronies', benefits.

People won't learn and sometimes I do not pity Nigerians at all.

Thank you Bash92.
But as it is, there are like 2 sides to the story of owing workers now. The man I quoted said that workers are not owed, as he is an example and which was why I quoted him to come back and give us clear details of the issue. Should the workers be owed, some are saying that it's due to reduction in the allocation received from the FG.

The second issue is the abuse of workers on the media. I find that too gross to believe, because I don't believe any leader will do such on air at all, knowing fully well that the bedrock and backbone of an administration's success is the people working under such administration. A case study is Bisi Akande led administration in Osun State.

Thank you Zionope.
I will also like to hear from the man himself too, so as to establish the truth further; you know that out of the mouth of two to three witnesses shall the truth be established.

saakeem2003: I wish to appreciate you all for all your contribution and also wish to thank the article writer for the job well done at least for coming out to express himself but your story and perception about this able and focus minded gov is wrong. He has been the man of the people ans we poeple in osun always salute his courage to turn Osun state round in terms of infrastructures and all his programmes. Well I want to tell you boldly that am a local govt worker in osun and Aregbesola is not owning us a single penny, all salaries paid(June paid last week) so the local govt workers have no problem with him in any way and we are ready to support him. Please I want to advice the write to always carry out his research work very well before putting anything on the internet as far as am concern Omi did not have the credibilty to be our governor now may be in the future.

Now, I don't know which is true again. Some say workers are being owed for ages while others say it is a lie. Which one is true or false now?

saakeem2003: I wish to appreciate you all for all your contribution and also wish to thank the article writer for the job well done at least for coming out to express himself but your story and perception about this able and focus minded gov is wrong. He has been the man of the people ans we peple in osun always salute his courage to turn Osun state round in terms of infrastructures and all his programmes. Well I want to tell you boldly that am a local govt worker in osun and Aregbesola is not owning us a single penny, all salaries paid(June paid last week) so the local govt workers have no problem with him in any way and we are ready to support him. Please I want to advice the write to always carry out his research work very well before putting anything on the internet as far as am concern Omi did not have the credibilty to be our governor now may be in the future.

Good one.
Please, I would like you to come back and explain the stories surrounding the case of non-payment of workers' salaries in the State, as there are no clear indications of what are true and false. Did the government owe workers up to 7 months? As a resident of Osun State and also a civil servant, did he abuse or insult them (civil servants) on TV?

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I won't advice going for that kind of program so as to be on the safe side.

I got your message some days back but I don't know if you got the response via that medium. Did you?

Evergreen123: Oh yes, work that starts a month to reelection?
OK o.

I didn't say he did right in that regards at all, hence the need for him to be castigated. Same thing goes for his direction in school merger issues.

adebayonle: but the outsiders should be sure of whatever they are saying,not just be misleading other people

Yes, you are right, but that is where the insiders are meant to counter the notions the outsiders are presenting to the people who can't decipher the truth from false.

Evergreen123: u were not talking of popularity before, of course a sitting governor is gonna be more than a senator or former DG.
U made it look as if the man was excellent, truth is, he is below par in the amenities n infrastructure.
How on earth will u tell ur ppl that the state is broke only to pay all salary arrears within one wk.
That's hypocrisy and lies.
Must u wait to be challenged to do ur duties?

Really like your comment here. You see, when we support someone, that doesn't mean he's infallible or can never make wrong decisions. He will, and it's the governed that should blast him because he is there for their interests. This reminds me of what my own governor said about minimum wage before the election and when he won the election, he sang another song again, probably due to the reality on ground; was quite disappointed and devastated by that scenario. Same thing goes to Osun State, and that is where the issue of a strong opposition comes in, to put the incumbent to work.

adebayonle: Abeg only comment if u re in osun state,because its only we the osun people that know this man has improved our state.u can be in the south south or south east and know whats happening here.
#AREGBE FOR SECOND TERM

I disagree. Anybody can show interest because this is Nigeria, and as long as the people showing interests are Nigerians, no problem. What everyone is after, ruling and opposition party (and supporters alike), is good governance. It's the resident of the State in mention that can now convince the outsiders whom they think the best person is.

Soyedele1: Lol @ Akala won. Texaco1 lives in US and he is there feeding yu craps. We are here and we know what's on grnd. The only candidate that can gv Ajimobi sleepless night is Akala but unfortunately, Akala won't contest in 2015 and if he does, Nothing for him!! He can only deceive Ogbomoso, but not all Oyo State. I'm not saying Ajimobi is the best but at least he tried. We won't sell our vote for Rice here in Oyo State. Securitywise, he tried so much. I gv it to him.. He has my vote any time any day..

Ajimobi is not the best at all, but I will also say he has tried. He has disappointed me in terms of some things he has/not done in Oyo State, but he has proven himself to me and will vote him anyday anytime, although I am from an anti-APC/ACN constituency.

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Sometimes, I just wonder whether we Nigerians are ready to learn or not. As it is now, I don't think we are ready for development.

Two years ago, some workers in Ondo State, not that I was told but witnessed it myself, were saying that Mimiko wouldn't be voted for in the last election and that he didn't try at all. I couldn't ask why, since I am not from the State anyway, but learnt from the same set of people that he stopped some of the privileges, which they have termed as necessary benefits, the late Agagu government used to give them. I couldn't but shook my head from within.

Same thing is playing out now, where our people are concerned about today and not tomorrow. We really deserve the people that rule us.

texaco1: that is the difference with pdp , even if Mr President anoints you , you still have to go through party primaries and win ,the party has to accept you. This is unlike apc where someone is chosen at ikeja inside tinubu livingroom and forced upon party members .I think I have answered ur question

Okay then. All the best for the gladiators in your party.

dre11 and smartchoice, it's okay now. Must we be insulting to pass our minds across?

texaco1: gej has already pencilled his candidate down for oyo state and he is even yet to show his face fully,but let me give u a hint , he is below 60years of age .

Are you saying there won't be primaries?

makeitplain: My response might be a little long cos I want to be very very clear but I will make it easy to read.

Let's see how it goes at the end just like you said, and thanks for your response.

Besides, I threw in Arapaja there, not because he is running nor because he has shown his interest, but because of what I believe he can do.

makeitplain: This is not definite, Ladoja will still very likely contest but he can't win and he knows it but he will be contesting not actually to win but for some other gains.

As for Akala's intent,. not true, he's been working on his guber ambition since a very long time and he's been Gej's candidate since 2013 (those who think he's going for senate are misinformed). Hence the reason why he championed the reconciliation moves. He understands that he needs to reconcile everyone to achieve his ambition. As it stands, he is the only political figure with the most weight in Oyo PDP its only a matter of time when he will be announced as the candidate to face off with Ajimobi.

For those who think there is a crack in PDP, there is no crack, the perception of crack emanates from media sensationalism. Ppl like Teslim knows he can't make it. what is his clout or Akinjide with her Ibadan Agenda, she's now more busy with saving her minister position than playing the politics of (Ibadan man must be PDP candidate) Hence the reason why they talk less these days. They have already known the direction of things, they just have to align and move on.

The stuffs that go on on social media (nairaland, twitter, facebook etc) is one thing but what actually happens on political turf which dictates the direction of the election is completely another thing. Just to be clear this is how its going to be in 2015, Ajimobi APC Akala PDP Ladoja Accord.

I might not want to state who will win out of the three, But I am very sure who will come a distant 3rd out of the three... Ajimobi of APC.. Yes he will have the least vote from the three of them. Accord is holding it down in Ibadan while PDP is holding it down in other zones. Ajimobi has no control of anywhere he has lost his grip on APC and the party is virtually empty. Both their heavy weights and their underdogs have left. Ajimobi is the only person left in APC. Thats not the way to win election.

Ladoja contesting and not winning, I will leave it for voters to decide, as my vote, a single vote is not enough to vote in my own candidate. Ladoja is still loved by the civil service because of how he treated them in his term. He lost his bearing when he started picking fights in late 2004.

As for PDP crisis, sir, there is crisis in PDP. I am not relying on hearsay at all. There is division in PDP right now, which is normal anyway, and the division is along Oyo North and Oyo South/Central. Folarin and Akinjide are not serious to me. Folarin had the opportunity of making his name when he was in senate but what did he do? Nothing. Like I said earlier, if we are to get development we are craving for, we need to push people with ideas and innovations up front and not people with no intention or zest for creating positive impact in the society. That is where I will like to see a certain Arapaja/Ajimobi/ and another innovation-driven man from AP to slug it out next year and not Akala/Ladoja.

Akala had almost 5 years in power, the highest stay in government by any individual, but what are his records? We need to be sincere with ourselves. He just had the opportunity of being the governor when he did not expect it. If his 4 years and 11 months administration had been like that of the incumbent, it would have been good but that wasn't the case.

You can bear witness that for almost 6 years, security was at the lowest ebb in Oyo State, except the brief period of the Police Commissioner bought from Akwa Ibom, who dealt with some of the political forces then, and security issues went down when Ajimobi came in. The grouse of people with Ajimobi administration are different but my own grouse with him is in the area of job creation and some other area, despite the fact that I like him. Whether he is coming back or not is not even the case here, but has he performed better than his predecessors? Yes, he has.

As for the election, we cannot decide how it's going to go, one of the dynamics of Oyo politics and that makes it interesting. Oyo north has always been a PDP stronghold since 1999, so they winning that zone will not be a surprise to me but that cannot be said of Oyo South and Central, as there are divisions along party line, and Ibadan constitutes a large chunk in the 2 senatorial zones of Oyo central and south, so one can't say someone is going to come first or third. Mind you, if Ajimobi doesn't make 2nd term, people will still peg his administration against the incoming one and contrast which is better.

Brother Trustman, you last post is nothing but the truth. WoF has reduced everything to formula, but I don't think any formula was laid out in the Bible and if there were, that must be PRAYER. Besides, many of the things we NAME and CLAIM stems out of desire for things not according to the Will of The Father, although they sound good to have. That is why brethren are becoming more competitive in the church and not bearers of each others' burdens.

On Hebrews 11:1, WoF has told us that Faith is NOW, but that is an erroneous statement. The issue of the NOW FAITH is like commanding The Father to give one something, connoting that one has the perfect understanding of the situations around one's life. Hebrews 11:1 says "NOW, faith is ...", an indication of the fact that the writer put the word NOW as a sequel to what is being discussed before, Hebrews 10.

dubienatti: bros, brace ya self 4 a suprise. remenba he won d sanate in prison,now he is out dustin 2 roasted corn at time..eh.. wit fed money behind him expect d unexpected..

My brother, you should have asked how he was able to win from the prison. Remember he never campaigned for the election. 2 things played out in the course of that election; PDP/OBJ factor, and the fact that the State was highly opposed to AD led administration. The former factor played a large factor in his election then. The election may go in a surprising manner, like you said, but let's watch how it goes.

Firefire: Osun people are wiser that all this tricks.

You can not fool us again.

In terms of education, it's like some of our governors make mistakes a lot. The issue of merger of schools has always been a problem because some of those schools were established by missionaries and traditions had been maintained before the incoming of the governor/s (at present). Former governor Ladoja of Oyo State did something like that too, which I still dislike till today, all in the name of trying to work out a strong education system in the state in his tenure.

Now to the issue of Aregbesola, you should have looked at it this way; Bisi Akande was voted out in 2003 because of his policy on the civil servants and also didn't do much for the state then, although he was said to be prudent, but I didn't see anything much under his tenure, and that paved way for Olagunsoye Oyinlola. It was a clean victory for him and people expected him to perform well, but nothing much was done. In 2007, people were dissatisfied with him, why APC is now calling him to their camp is what I find strange, and Aregbesola was voted in (no doubt about the fact that the election was rigged in Osun State then, those who are close to the shakers of politics in the State will know this). You should have compared or contrasted which admin is better between the incumbent and his predecessor, and then judge. Most people that support Aregbesola were/are angered by that school-merger move, myself inclusive because I have seen the consequence of the action by a former governor, but they still give him kudos what what he has done. Government will make some silly policies and that is why an opposition will have to be instituted to put them in check. In fact, NO OPPOSITION means NO GOVERNANCE.

Unto Omisore, he cannot deliver anything Simply put! This is not trying to malign is personality at all but going by what is known to those who are close-by. He has his supporters no doubt, after all, Abacha had his despite his despotic rulership of the country. APC will never rule OSUN for life, as there will be a call for change of hands in governance, but I expect political parties to produce sound and visionary candidate to tackle the incumbent but that is not the case here. Take a look at Oyo State PDP for example, the clowns (apology for using that word) parading themselves as best candidate for the party have nothing to offer, whereas a man that is sound, a former House of Rep. member is there, but they won't go for it. When do we stop choosing mediocre people to represent us in governance?