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saxywale: Ile Ife - Can't think of a food at the moment, all I can think of is their love for emu aka oguro aka palmwine. Our neighbor, Ilesha are well known for iyan - pounded yam.

yoruba people dey drink palm wine? I mean besides the occassional drinking of palm wine from other places, do they have it as a staple drink like in the east?

joe4christ: Ooops, i must have realy touched someone where it realy pains, but not too worry bro, talking about me going to hell, well it's quite unfortunate for you while fortunate for me that i've crossed over from damnation to life through christ Jesus so it's impossible for hell to keep me hostage, but i can clearly see u walking the broad path that leads to hell, i'm doing my best to warn you of what lies ahead but it's quite disheartening that lucifer has blindfolded you that you cannot see beyond and has blocked your spiritual ears that you cannot hear the stance warning from the lord and the sons of men made righteouse through the blood of Jesus - The sons of God!
I'll keep on praying for you and your likes!!!

lol. . What is this selfl-righteous cretin ranting about. If you are so sure of your righteousness, why do you bother joining words with Me, the son Satan the deciever? Is this another case of forced show of love typical of your Jesus? Abeg go siddon one place jare! You are a petty fellow that deserve no serioud reply.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Wow, has it gotten to this?[/quote]you see why I described you as a dangerously dishonest person.
You would rather your christian brother insult me in the name of Jesus in his rage but when I feed him with thesame bile product, you were swift to rise to his defense, expressing your usual pretentious surprise and shock.
Typical of you dishonest Christian goons, so christ like, I guess.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, how can one disprove what is not even proven in the first place? I am just showing you that though you have a fantastic tale, it is not true. If it were true, you will easily take the challenge. For your information, this challenge has been out for years. and nobody has won the price money yet but you can try sha. You might just be the first one to win.[/quote]If there is any challenge that has been out for centuries, it is to prove the Historicity of your white man God, Darline Jesus. Prove that he actually existed and actually did all those fairy tales described in the god-spells that have taken over common sense of christians.
christian apologists will rather defend than show any concrete proof of his existence, what an impossible task. Yet they remember with vivid needle-sharp clearity what he said, the things he did, how he was born, how the holyspirit appeared to his mother and father, his miracles and so on, all accounts given by some mysterious authors but developed acute amnesia to give any compelling physical evidence of this same person. We don't know if Jesus was a nigga or a Redneck, all the stories of his miracles can't physically be traced to anywhere in particular. The people that lived around the time he was alleged to have lived were all silent about this man that so greatly caused a steer everywhere he went yet people that were of lesser importance were well documented. It is so easy to defend him cos in reality no one wins an argument, instead each side comes off with even a more strengthened belief in their arguments. Unlike the shutting up to silence effect of using proof his Existence and historical life.
[quote author=Mr_Anony]I want you to learn to have a mind of your own, not quoting people who don't know any better.
You are like the religious people who say "it is true because my pastor/imam says so". That is what it really means to be brainwashed.[/quote]If only you will stop pretending like you know any better than what you read, you will understand that opinions are shaped and formed by what one reads and excperiences, you are not born with any independent opinion or views unlike your fairytale original sin nonsense.
My opinions and views align with what I post-be it excerpt from a book or views I formed from the book, it is still my stance on the issue- if you expect me to start making arguments outside the jurisdiction of what is generally known of the subject and have been demonstrably proven, just so I can prove to you some fictitious indepence of mind then you will wait forever.
No opinion or idea especially when it deals with religion is realy original or independent of other established opinions and views, unless you expect me to get irrational like you and your likes; that I wont subscribe to.
Show me the originality in whatever it is you have posted on this thread and I will show you tonnes of sources you have copied and rephrased only to pass the idea as if it were yours.
The process of of obtaining Knowledge is all copying into something through reading/studying/observing/experiments and so on. That something could be books, hard drives, articles, journals and so on. No idea comes up independent of other thoughts. Just because I don't go around attacking the originality of the crap you post and pass as your own does not mean I am oblivious of the fact that it is some trite ideology whose sources are abound if one cares to find out.
At least, I was humble enough to state clearly from the begining of the thread that I was posting excerpts from a book whose revelations I find shocking and thought provoking. I never pretended to be the originator of the issues raised on the thread by the book but you would rather leave the issues raised and attack either me or the author. I have consistently told you to stop psychoanalyzing and attacking me with your false assumptions, you neither know Me or have seen me yet you are so quick to conclusively talk about me. .lol. . Na wa o, am I that interesting to be a subject?
Face the issues jare and stop pretending like you have got any superior knowledge of your own accord, do that nonsense with those impressionable christians you mind read not me, biko. . Lol[/quote]

[quote author=Mr_Anony]@Ryhmz, since you are so sure that your claims are true, you may be interested in taking this challenge and earning $1000 for yourself. Goodluck with that.

Take the Zeitgeist Challenge $1000

All you have to do is take the various claims (that I will list below) concerning the similarities of Christ and other ancient gods that Zeitgeist makes, match them up to the text where it is claimed, and provide the specific quote and/or a link to the source, for example:

- List here the claim made by Zeitgeist:
- Here you might put the title of the text or glyph that is mentioned (for example: “Book of the Dead”, and the
chapter and verse if applicable.
- Here quote what is literally said in the source or why it is implied.
- Here you would provide a link to it on the web, if applicable.

Repeat this process for ALL the claims made by Zeitgeist and you WIN!!

Here is a link to a good website where you can find copies of many of the ancient texts where some of these claims would be found. Sacred Texts You could, of course, also use texts any other place you find them, as long as they can be verified.

There is only one reasonable ground rule:
Obviously, you would want to make sure the texts you quote from are valid, in that they are reasonably demonstrable to have been written before the time of Christ, only because the attempt by Zeitgeist is to show that the biblical story was “borrowed” from earlier myths.

The makers of Zeitgeist offer a list of sources for the claims they make, but they fail to list original texts, besides the Bible, in defense of them. So, it probably wont help you much, but it is available here. As you can see, Zeitgeist chooses, instead, to quote modern writers, of which the primary one seems to be Gerald Massey and Acharya S.
The following are the claims of Zeitgeist word for word:

HORUS:
Horus was born on December 25th
Born of the virgin
His birth was accompanied by a star in the east
Three kings followed to locate and adorn the new-born savior
At the age of 12, he was a prodigal child teacher
And at the age of 30, he was baptized and thus began his ministry
Horus had 12 disciples
Performed miracles such as healing the sick and walking on water
Horus was known by many gestural names such as The Truth, The Light, God’s Anointed Son, The Good Shepherd, The Lamb of God, After being betrayed by Typhon,
Horus was crucified,
Buried for 3 days and
Thus, resurrected.

ATTIS:
Born of the virgin
On December 25th,
Crucified,
Placed in a tomb
And after 3 days, was resurrected.

KRISHNA:
Born of the virgin
With a star in the east signaling his coming
Performed miracles with his disciples
And upon his death was resurrected.

DIONYSUS
born of a virgin on December 25th
was a traveling teacher
who performed miracles such as turning water into wine
he was referred to as the “King of Kings,” “God’s Only Begotten Son,” “The Alpha and Omega,” and many others
and upon his death, he was resurrected.

MITHRA:
Born of a virgin
On December 25th
He had 12 disciples
And performed miracles
And upon his death was buried for 3 days
And thus resurrected
He was also referred to as “The Truth,” “The Light”
Interestingly, the sacred day of worship of Mithra was Sunday.

Jesus Christ:
Born on December 25th
Three kings followed to locate and adorn the new-born savior

Let me be very clear, Im not looking for what people SAY it says in the ancient literature. There is an abundance of that available. I want to know where these people are getting their information because we can find no historical record of these claims in ancient history.

Send your submissions to us via our contact form. In the unlikely event of a winner you will be paid via Paypal.

http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/[/quote]I am not here to post on the demands of your whims and caprices.
I have made my point, it is left for you to disprove it not give me assignment like I am being schooled. You could as well take up the dollar money challenge yourself.

joe4christ: hahahahaha i cant believe i'm actually helping out build someone's low self-esteem, see let me tell ya, there is no way on planet earth i would get offended as a result of your self proclaimed theory of the deluded. It's of no value neither is it of any effect to me, i just pity you cause i can only liken u to a mad man who thinks of himself as the only sane person in the world while everyone else is actually insane, this can be likened to you, you are just under delusion, i wish u could see beyond your nose.
God help you!

Go to Hell!

truthislight: ^^^
another wrong understanding.

Read Romans 6:1 to end of chapter

what paul said about forgiveness of sin is Adamic sin. That the Animal sacrifice in the jewish temple was cleansing on a Yearly basis.

But Jesus christ cleared it once for all time such that there was no more need for the law requirement for a yearly animal sacrifice or Jesus coming to die yearly.

When that provision for clearing Adamic sin is made then all man on their own can draw close to God without the consideration of Adam sin.

My friend, it is you who obviously does not understand what you are blabbing about.
I am not arguing that Paul was preaching about Adamic sin, in fact, that's the crust of the Pauline faith. My argument is that he is the originator of such a belief system. The whole belief system of atonement through death and ressurection was introduced by Paul.
Why do you think he was in constant disagreement with the leaders of the church of Jerusalem, James the brother Jesus and Peter one of the disciples Jesus was promised that he will be the rock on which he will build his church.
Paul's own version of Jesus Christ was a far cry from the prophesied Jewish Messiah, who was considered to be a human with devine powers, a nationalistic hero that will come and save the Jews from foreign(Roman) oppression and establish a strong kingdom that will rule the earth. Paul corrupted the whole interpretations of the Tora and turned Jesus to a salvation-deity whose atoning death by violence was necessary to release his devotees for immortal life, a doctrine he learnt from the mystery religious practices when he was in Tarsus. His corrupted version were all themes drawn from pagan myths such as how the violent deaths of Osiris, Attis, Adonis, and Dionysus brought divinization to their initiates or adherents.

The biggest advantage of Paul's new religion over other salvation-cults was its attachment to the hebrew scriptures.
Paul reinterpreted the messiah prophesy of the Tora as forecasting the salvation- death of Jesus. This gave Pauline Christianity an awesome authority and advantage that proved attractive to Gentiles( non-Jews who were not born into the convenant) thirsting for salvation. However, his gnostic teachings met with disapproval from the Jewish- Christians of the Jerusalem Church, who regarded the substitution of Jesus' atoning death for the observance of the Torah as a lapse into paganism.
Paul continued to preach his corrupted version at the chagrin of the Jerudalem church elders- James, Peter and John.
He was surmoned to the Jerusalem church and was asked to explain his new theology. At the meeting, Paul hid his true intentions and belief, instead he lied that he was only taking the gospel of Christ to Non-Jews, the Gentiles. He argued that these Gentiles did not need to observe or use the Tora to be part of the Jewish messianic movement. What the Jerusalem church elders did not know was that Paul actually wanted to do away with the Tora even with Jewish Christians.
He was then confirmed in the role of "apostle to the Gentiles," with full permission to enroll Gentiles in the messianic movement without requiring full conversion to Judaism.
However, It was when Peter visited him in Antioch that he became aware of the full extent of Paul's views, a serious rift ensdued between Pauline and Jewish Christianity.
Another meeting was called again and in it, James accused Paul of teaching Jews
"to turn their backs on Moses" (Acts 21:21). Paul ahain denied it and attempted evaded the charge by suggesting that he undergoes a tesdt that shows his observance of the Tora, all in an effort to conceal his main views.
However, his deception was exposed by a group of "Asian Jews" (probably Jewish Christians) who were aware of his real teaching and had seen him outside Jerusalem preaching against the Tora. This led to a protest and Paul fled fearing for his life. That was the last time again he visited the Jerusalem church again.

In conclusion, the fact still remains that Pauline Christianity is actually a paganised distortion of Judaism, as the Christ described in the New testament gospels was plagiarized from pre-Christian pagan cultures of the Middle East and that's where lies all these fairytale of grace and faith in Jesus' death as a salvation pre-requisite you keep blabbing about. I could post you chapters and verses to support my explanation and the fact that he and the Jerusalem Church elders preached different things but apparently, Paul's version seemed to have won the supremecy battle with the help of Rome anyway.

plaetton: ^^^^
As an anology, just imagine Gani Fawemini.
There was justice and the rule of law long before he was born. But he studied and dedicated his life to the enthronement of justice and the rule of law for everyone. And for that he suffered greatly in the hands of authorities of the day.

Now that Gani is dead, should we just focus on him and worship him as the god of justice, before whom there was no justice, or should we carry on and strenghten the institutions of justice just like Gani wanted to?

in fact, because Gani died for Justice, our chances of getting justice in the world must be hinged on our belief in the struggles for justice and eventual death of Gani in his efforts and achievments else, you will be choosing not to get jusdtice if you ignore this facts, so says the holy books.

plaetton: yeah.
They forget that Paul was scorned by early followers of Jesus because Paul had perverted the teachings of jesus.

unfortunately today's Christians base their entire dogma and worship system on the gnostic or heretic teachings of Paul.

Deep Sight: And it is actually a VERY dangerous teaching because it leads many Christians to fail to recognize the importance of personal responsibility for their actions and deeds!

blame Mr Paul who came up with the claptrap of faith abi na grace without work.
In most of his epistles, the guy was always talking about salvation through believing in the crucifixion and ressurection of christ whose teaching he described as elementary.
“Therefore let us abandon the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to more maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works but of faith toward God” – Hebrew 6:1
In other words, Jesus Christ was yarning opkata all along, he Paul was going to teach christians a higer level of Knowledge about thesame Christ whose teachings he described as elementary.
He described the observance of Judaic Law as dead work i.e actively observing the commandments passed to Moses like Muslims do is irrelevant. Thats the difference between Muslims and Christians. Muslims believe in work and christians damn the work but rather concentrate on believong in the fairytale of Jesus' death story as a way to get salvation. And you wonder why christians know little or nothing about their own religion besides the hogwash their bible wielding show men called pastor spew to them.
See Paul again giving christian the false belief of faith without work:
“For all who rely on works of the law are cursed” – Galatians 3:10 “For no human will be justified in his sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin” – Rom 3:20 “For we believe that a man is justified by faith even without works of law” – Romans 3:28
Today's Christianity solely rely on this ideology, that is why truthislite and the other Christian robots can tell others that unless you believe in Jesus saving fron some sin you don't know about, you are condemned for life. They keep defiling every boundary of logic just to make accommodation for their "fairy tale faith based belief system". Imagine somebody trying so hard to convince me that some Jesus died for Me for sins some stranger commited. I send am messege ni?
Whoever the writers of the Pauline epistles is, he was obviously was a gnostic christian, his version of christ was not the version in the narratives of the gospels of Mathew, mark, luke and John. Paul was always talking about a Jesus similar to the god-men of his time. Yet the bible is a book that contains the inerrant words of God.. .bullshit.
What Paul's teaching brought was the excuse for all manner of behaviour to be condoled by merely believing in Christ. You do not have to live or observe any set of moral codes, all you need to do is to believe in Jesus and your slate is clean. Even if you killed somebody before, you dont have to serve any jail term, your sins are forgiven so long as you believe in the christian God.
Take another verse from thesame Pauline epistles and tell me why anyone should be bothered about observing any law or improving one's self:
“To one who does not work (by the law) but trusts him who justifies the ungodly , his faith is reckoned as righteousness” – Rom 4:5

Seewealth: got the pdf. Thanks a lot.

ok. . . I want you to read it and give me your honest opinion, it does not have to agree with the findings of the book just make sure it is something that is devoid of unbriddled illogical christian blind followership that will rather we bury everything in the hazy world of faith than question the rationality of the belief system.

Here is the audio download link of this very interesting interview with this new testerment scholar, Erhan Barth who has written extensively about the forgeries in the bible. He provides an interesting perspective to the Pius fraud of the New testament. http://pd.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/fa/2005/12/20051214_fa_01.mp3?dl=1. All forged documents with barely literate scribes adding and removing portions of the bible that do not agree with their agenda for Jesus. I giggled when he said Marks version of Jesus's crucifixion portrayed A Jesus who was in complete anguish and in shock in the face of his crucifixion as opposed to Luke's version that portrayed a Jesus that was calm and in control until the very end of his crucifixion. The story of the adulterous woman in the bible also was demonstrated to be a "pius fable", for one, there was nothing said about the man that commited the act with her and more damning is the fact that it was not in the original text of Mark's gospel; imagine this kind of "God's word?" Another part that got me laughing was how in the original Scriptural Mark Narratives, Jesus got angry every time there was a situation that threatened to question his divinity and "godly powers" to do miracles. The story of the leper is even funnier as in the original Mark text of the gospels it was reported that Jesus got angry as opposed to the "he showed compassion reported in the bible" before healing the leper. The question is why the need to change the accounts of the original texts? Is this new version of the text part of God's inerrant words too? The bible is a fable itself, christianity is one big Pius fraud. The man in the interview, Doctor Barth Erhman is an expert authority in the analysis of the New Testament. This man now in his fifties, has gone from being a fundamentalist Christian as a boy to being a liberal Christian as a young man and now is an AGNOSTIC. It takes sincerity with one's self and uncommon courage to admit that afterall, the premises of the christian faith is greatly flawed.

dabriggs: Haba! Me ke. Let me argue like Christians of today.
I am a very rational person oh and everybody loves me(despite the fact that you find me annoying).
So it is your fault that you don't like me (despite every evidence pointing to the fact that my rather Left Wing Beliefs and Orientation could be annoying to very many people).
BUt I doubt if I am the same dabriggs. Lol.

lol. . . Did you get the email I sent you?

dabriggs: Please send the BOOK TO
dabriggs300@yahoo.com

THANK YOU.

dabriggs from the politics section right?
The one that I find annoying. . .lol
I will send it to you now.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]lol, I have never seen you present a single fact before[/quote]like you have regards for facts that do not agree with your christian beliefs.
I bet you wont have issues with it if I was busy quoting pages from the bible. . Abeg no let me laf jare.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, it is indeed very difficult to argue with a conspiracy theorist, even worse is one who follows a conspiracy theorist blindly.
Sometimes I wish I could discuss with ryhmz the man and not ryhmz that hides behind the skirts of Miss Murdock.
I wish you luck.[/quote]stale jokes that is funny to only you. Facts are facts. Whether presented by Jesus or Satan, if they are facts then the messenger is irrelivant. Only fundamentalists like you kill the messengers when they hate the message.
If you want to run away or bail out like you always do when groping in the dark becomes tiring, be my guest.
I bet after one or two days, you will go google-shopping for more character assasination antics to discredit the Archaya while conveniently maintaining silence on the main issues raised.
Now that you have exhausted your Attis asernal, you can go ahead and read up on Krishna, Horus, Zeus, Mithra and the rest, I know at the moment you have got no serious clue to any of their stories besides snippets from google and co. Keep pretending like you know anything besides your devotional perspectives of the bible.
Goodluck in your self delusions.

The Moderators here should not use their podition here to stiffle opposition posts, I have noticed one of the moderators threatening to ban anyone that posts anything that is opposing or draws attention away from Osun state.
That can not be accepted o. Thesame preference was not shown in the Enugu thread or the one about Onitsha Market aribisala plagued with his disease, posting rubbish and derailing the thread. If in the face of all the nonsense non-supporters of those thread posted you did not ban or removed their posts, then this one should not be any different. Everyone can not have something good to say, if they want to criticize let them, that is the whole essence of forum discussions, exchange ideas-the good, the nad and the ugly, you as moderators dont have to like it but you must defend their right to post it. Simple

joe4christ: Even Davin ci code and the rest could'nt stop the gospel of christ talk more of this baseless ideology of retardeens and shallowed twisted minds.

May i ask you, if you think christianity was founded on a faulty foundation then can you point out to me which religion seem perfect and true to you?
Or are u telling me there is no God? Meaning the world and the entire universe was a coincidence

Does'nt that make you an atheist?

hahahahahahhaha. . . Angry Christian Brute. I can imagine how angry you are to the point you are fuming in the mouth and breaking things around just because there is a damning revelation of a belief you have always known to be the truth. Calm down and use less of your emotions to post, it wont make the truth just go away like that.
Your fellow christian robot, Anonym is doing everything possible to discredit these facts but he too is frustrated that they stick, they are so sticky that early Roman Church fathers resorted to blatant omission, distortion and invention of of the original scriptural texts. The original ones are probably gnostic in nature and differ obviously from today's bible lies.
Instead of ranting, cursing and threatening Me like a crazy Jesus stan, you should do your own unbias Research to discredit what I posted.

By the way, I have always wondered, who created Satan? God?
If the answer is yes. My next question is why? Besides, if that is the case, it appears this particular creation of his is too powerful for him to curtail, so he just had to send him packing and gave him his own abode in "Hell", right?
I wonder why he did not extend his "unconditional love to this creation of his", he wont even send his only "begotten Son" Jesus to be beaten to a pulp and killed by him just so Satan can understand the enormity of God's anger against him.
By the way, between Satan and Adam, who was first created? Everyone seems to be obsessed with God and Jesus and only remenber Satan the bad guy when something goes wrong, yet you expect Satan to be reasonble with you all?
With all the badness credited to this Satan guy, it appears he is just as strong if not stronger than God. He causes so much headache to God that God had to kill his son in a rage to appease himself right? Oh, I get it, Jesus died, went to hell on a three-days vacation, collected the key that God forgot to collect from him when he was butt-kicked outta heaven for wanting thesame kind of attention like God. My conclusions, Those two are Frigging Egomaniacs playing practical jokes on human beings. . Lol

truthislight: Now, Adam lived 930yrs. But we know that God one(1) day = 1000yrs 1. 2peter 3:8 = a day(1) with God = 1000yrs with man. 2: psalm 90:4, a day pass with God = 1000yrs with man 3. A judgement "DAY" set by God is: Acts 17:31 = 1000yrs judgement "DAY" to man Revelation 20:1-4. Adam lived for 930yrs less 1000yrs. less than a day the issue of night and day is relative cus it is a function of the planet rotating as it goes round the sun and God see all irrespective of the country/continent.

hahahahahhahahahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahahahhahahhahahha. . . Did you say Adam lived 930years Mehn, you are worse than a slowpoke to believe such an exaggeration. The bible is rife with hyperbolic statements for effects, only a dunce will take statements such as this literally. Do you know what 930years is? Brouhahahahahahhahahahahhahaha. . This guy is fucking hilarious, mehn.
By the way, who told you this: God or Adam, considering he was the first Man on earth. . Lol
you better drop that bible, it is fucking with your mind kid!

joe4christ: Just listen to yourself, and u wonder why you are so eager and passionate about debunking the personality of Jesus christ?
Hehehehehe it's fnny how lucifer would use unbelievers as weapon of the antichrist.
You're being used by the devil to counterfiet the Gospel of Jesus christ.
But i have a bad news for you, no matter what you and your master do it would never change a thing cos the word of God is eternal, in stand firm forever, those who have tasted of it's saving power will never substitute it for anything at all.
And you better repent and allow God to reveal himself to you else u would die a miserable death and your fate would be in the lake of fire for all eternity where there would be gnashing of teeth and where the fire is never put out and whose worms never die.
Repent and give your life to Jesus now while u still can, his arms are wide open towards you, ready to accept you and cleans you of every sin.
I pray the lord would open your eyes before it's too late in Jesus name. Amen!!!

Typical of christians to use the argument of force than use the convincing force of their arguments to knack home their point.
Go and sit down jare, you sound like one of those bible wielding urchins on the pulpit mentally attacking their tamed congregations with esoteric lies.
I am not moved by such antics, I have gone past that phase of repent or die that militant christians use. I am a christian by convenience, not that I believe the BS of the religion but for expediency I like to see myself like that, especially when one considers the million Nigerian christian brutes like you who will stop at nothing to enforce your robotic christian like beliefs. Abeg pack one corner jare!

http://pd.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/fa/2005/12/20051214_fa_01.mp3?dl=1.
Here is a downloadlink to Dr Erhman Barth's interview about the bible and his beliefs. He openly called the NT narratives as false, he openly said in the interview that he can't base his life on such falsehood and he finds it frustrating when people resort to quoting the bible during argument to defend their stance, knowing how distorted and false the fairytales in it are. If you want the man's book, "Christ Interrupted, I will send it to you as well. But I know your christian pride wont even let you read it or use your brains. You claim to have read archaya yet all you do is indulge in diversion instead of discrediting her work with facts you resort to arm twisting logic and personal attack. Like I said before, Attis is not the only only whose Parallels with Jesus is striking, there are countless others mentioned on these thread as well, try too to discredit them instead of trying so hard to use Attis as a way to throw the rest under bus, weak diversionary antics of desperados.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]lol, you are stretching the meaning of imitation to it's furthest limits. remember hitler and abe lincoln are also similar if you stretch the meaning of similarity far enough.[/quote]Your resort to unrelated comparisons has become redundant and stale, try something smarter and more creative.
[quote author=Mr_Anony]So you don't even know the significance of Attis' death but you are very sure that it is similar to christianity? Wow![/quote]Again your sarcasm is stale and unintelligent neither is twisting what I write a show of intelligence. If you have no rebutals to the argument, it is best you ignore it than trying to twist what I wrote.
This was my response when you asked the question, "saving mankind from what?"
"You will have to ask his followers in Asian Minor what the significance of his death meant to them, the point is his believers think that his ressurection gave them some kind of atonement".
Your attempt ay twisting is reminscent of those bible fraudsters that wrote the bible.
Why should I know the significance of Attis death, do I look to you like a member of the Attis cult?
Does that negate the fact that his followers like christians attach significance to his death? Abeg yarn another and stop this your trite roundabout argument.
[quote author=Mr_Anony]Let's talk about how he died:

There are different account but the core gist is that Attis ran mad then cut of his balls and killed himself and he was turned into a pine tree so that his body won't decay. He was not resurrected but transformed into a tree so that he could live forever. This is very different from resurrection but of course in your bid to force similarities upon the two accounts, you'll grasp at anything you can use...Remember, Abe Lincoln and Hitler both had facial hair.[/quote]Another desperate attempt at deliberate falsification. Attis castrated and killed himself under the foot of a pine tree. According to the myth, it was from Attis blood that the first violet sprang up.
The tree took care of Attis' spirit.
Cybele in repentance prevailed upon Zeus to grant that the body of the Attis should never decay or waste that was how he was ressurected.
Like I said, the same deification process of violent death and ressurection.
[quote author=Mr_Anony]The more I call you up on these things, the more it occurs to me that you have not really studied the stories of these myths yourself neither have you really studied the story of Jesus Christ. All you are doing is secondary quoting from Acharya. That my friend is bad scholarship.[/quote]Besides blabbing and trying to psychoanalyze me, you have not shown any serious evidence that you know the stories behind these myths, all you do is pretend and blab. Again, Archaya is not the problem, the internet is there for you to check it out. Stick to the issues raised & forget Archaya.
[quote author=Mr_Anony]Another interesting thing I noticed is that you also included Bart Erhmann's views as part of your argument. I hope you do realise that Bart and Acharya disagree strongly on the historicity of Christ (Bart holds that Christ existed but disagrees with His resurrection while Acharya holds that He didn't exist and was a myth.) and to hold both views together is contradictory and simply shows that you really don't know what you are talking about. All you are looking for is any account that is anti-Christ and then you throw it up.[/quote]See how you shoot yourself on the foot, they don't have to agree to both see the follies and contradictiond in the bible.
You are a dishonest intellectual pretender that like to go petty when you have nothing concrete to say, Dr Ehman is agnostic and does not believe the BS in the whole of the new testament, in fact, he is one of those few new testament scholar that believes that instead of church fathers in their denial fraudulently trying to harmonize the incoherent fairytale of the narratives of NT, they should have accepted the texts in the way they originally were and not dishonestly distort the facts by taking away some facts and injecting inventions that fits their dishonest agend only to decieve christian robots like yourself that they are God's inerrant words.
Your problem is that you like to assume like you already know even when it is glaringly clear that you don't know, your argue against another person based on assumptions and very silly distractive psychoanalysis that only reveals your desperation. You are quick to talk about Dr Barth Erhman's different views from Archaya but conveniently left the fact that the man in question has shown disillusionment and ambivalence in the way he has changed from a fundamentalist evangelical christian as a boy to a "liberal Christian"( could mean anything) to an Agnostic as A man who enthusiastically has searched for the truth only to conclude that the bible is a book full of distortions, outright lies, personal inventions and incoherent fairytales that never happened.
That the man is agnostic and Archaya is a mythicist does not invalidate the woman's argument on the contradiction of your bible that is being held as infallible word of God. Archaya, in fact, used Dr Barth(who by the way is an authority in the study of the NT scriptures) to prove her point that the new testament was full of hogwash just like she used a countless others; books written by christian apologists, evemersts, mythicists, mythicists, Church Bishops, agnostics, liberal christians and so on, they do not have to have an all round view with her on certain issues but they do agree on some or many.
Your diversionary antics of hitting below the belt when logic fails you is unintelligent, stale and desperate. You have not even read Barth's book before jumping to use him as an excuse to discredit Archaya. Archaya quotes even your pastor to prove her points, yet she gets away with it unscathed and unchallenged. It is thesame story too with Dr Robert Price who hastily criticized her book as an agnostic too only to recant his criticism later and is now a full supporter of Archaya's work.
If there is anyone here that has shown unbriddled illogical belief like a robot, it is you; you are ready to lie, deny, twist facts and even concoct scenerios like the bible forgers you defend, all in a bid to defend your christian faith.

Nice pictures @poster
would like you to balance the pictures of the places in oshogbo. And also leave something like a commentry or anecdote just like spyder88 does in the Enugu thread. Also, we like to see residential areas, market places, estates, parks if there are, on going work, places of attraction, dungeons, places you want Government to improve on and so on. . . . The thread is nice and the pictures are great. By the way my twin brother is presently serving in Osun state. He says they have got one of the best NYSC camps in Naija. He was posted to olode, says the place can be cold. He says they do a lot of juju there and they have very fine young girls. . Lol. .something he fancies.
In general, I think he likes the place though.

truthislight: evidence base on false informations.

When you argue base on reality/what the bible teaches then i can address your worries.

My friend stop pretending like you know anything about what you are blabbing about. Go and do your research on the origins of the bible and see how foolish your boasful confidence is. Can you in all honesty tell anyone that there is a concrete evidence of Jesus christ ever existing? Thorough Research has been done towards unravelling the historicity of Jesus christ, instead more evidence continue to show that he never existed. All the accounts in the gospels are contradictory and have been found to be similar stories credited to god-men myths like zeus. Krishna. buddha, Horus and other pre-christian pagan gods. All of the canonical gospels do not have any known authors, all assumptions. Go ahead and check instead boasting in ignorance.

Which Miracles my dear. How many people do you truly know that have been healed of their diseases with out treatments for real. I know of numerous cases of claims on Christ Embassy's healing school who only went back home to resume thesame ailment and when they complain they are told that they do not have enough faith. What is your definition of miracles outsdide the religious cliché. Go to the hospitals and see miracles everyday if that is all there is to miracles. With regards to the one performed by Jesus christ, they are all fairytale copy cat stories from other myths. I am not talking about the ones that resort to socery and black magic.

knowledge4: Their assembly is known as kingdom halls.They believe that all religions,churches and governments are organizations controlled by Satan.Their doctrines are at total variance with the doctrines of the Bible.

To be fair to all, christian doctrines are nothing short of gradually developed man-made, copy and use pagan doctrines and dogma that have come to be norms in christian worships. JW founders understood these realities that is why it was easy for them like the old copy cat Roman Bishops to write their own religious doctrines and dogma using attractive religious elements like christian did with the Jewish tradition and the prevailing pagan practice of the time.

knowledge4: The JW deny the Deity of Christ saying that the Christ is the archangel Michael,therefore a created being and not God and no virgin birth.The Bible refuttal is clearly stated in Micah 5:2,John 1:1,John 10:30,Phil 2:5-7

JW are not the first to have questioned the deification of christ or him being of thesame nature as God. The whole trinity doctrine and the explanations behind them are very pagan and imposed by the Roman Emperors and Roman Bishops. There is nothing devine about the claims.
The whole story about Christ is nothing short of gnosticism.
Micah 5v2
New International Version (©1984) "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."
The messiah described in this jewish scripture is nothing close to the ones described in the canonical gospels or the gnostic Pauline epistles. Neither is Jesus the Jewish messiah Micah was talking about.
As for the narratives of the canonical gospels John, Mathew, Mark and luke they have all been proven to be altered works of forgeries from Roman church fathers. Whatever narratives they give about Jesus's life, they are not reliable The Pauline Epistles are not any different either they are modified version of early gnostic christian writings, in their raw forms and even in the new versions, the Jesus described in these epistles are quite different from the one in the canonical gospels.
First of all the canonical gospels are written works of unknown authors, besides, they are canonical because they are the accounts from the very numerous gospel narratives of Jesus Christ in circulation that the Early church father and thought was fitting of their own story of christ, they are holy and sacred because they have been voted by a panel of Roman church bishops and Roman politicians not because they are the devine words of God.
So it will be good that you don't use the bible alone as basis to arrive at your conclusion that JW is false or whatever. Religion itself is man-made, the divinity around it is as well man-made, just because approaches differ does not make anyone right or wrong.

truthislight: if you knew the bible well you will come to know the truth about tith.

Stay on the topic

My friend if you use your brain very well you will come to understand that most of what you have in that bible is all inconsistent fairytale that can not be proven. None of them happened anywhere.
I have continued to ask Christians this same question; if God is all knowing, all seeing and is every where kind of supernatural entity, who created Man in his own image, what is the rationale for sending his only "begotten Son" to die for sins committed by entities he created? Not even just to die but to further suffer humiliation and eventually violent murder by these same entities his father is angry with and want him, Jesus to save from his uncontrollable anger.
Is it to feed his oversized murderous ego or to appease himself?
What kind of loving father appeases himself by asking his only son to die just so he, his father can be pleased?
Does it mean the all loving God is not magnanimous enough to resolve his grouse with his creations without having to force his only begotten son to let himself to be killed by his creations?
Is he such an ego maniac whose decisions are entirely based on the flow and tide of his emotions.
Can you honestly call say such actions are driven by love? EGO?
what kind of Loving God allows entities he created to suffer in an eternal burning furnace and the ones that make it to his heaven are zombies with no self will, they are condemned to eternal life of slavery. Boosting God's oversized ego through false praises they don't mean and fearful worship they are bound to do in heaven.
In heaven, their life is nothing short of enternal slavery, they must not feel or be imperfect lest they will be considered not fit for heaven or to be in the "loving Presence" of an insecure and paranoid God.
You can't have sex, smoke weed, feel Hot or even have a three-some with some beautiful angels, making mistakes is not even to be considered else you will be shown hell. What exactly will one be doing in such a place? Reminds me of that movie, Equillibrium.
only a kid will believe all that fairy BS in the bible written by pius church fraudstars.

CyberG: Your post reeks of tribalism and you should hang your head in shame! Whether you like it or NOT, any oil resource in Nigeria is shared to the 36 States + FCT! Even if you die with your tribalists, the oil wealth will still ve shared! Does it not make sense that any encouragement, competition, conversation, etc that will put other states under positive pressure to start to look into exploring their resources is the way to go? Do you know if they did not find oil but find, for example, gold deposits worth $400 B, where do you think that money is going? To everyone including Anambra! The (alcohol) taxes collected by the ACN controlled government of Lagos, the port, etc is shared by every state only they do not write on each naira note where it came from, now use your brain to see the way to go is to encourage, push, nudge, etc everyone to do something! Ekiti is said to be a small state but they seem to have more professors than most states of Nigeria, well if they earn more money than the average Nigerian teacher and pay more taxes which some find their way to the federal government, that money is still shared!! In as much as any state has taken money / benefited from another state since the existence of Nigeria, it becomes almost impossible for a state that now begins to earn more money to thump its nose at others or claim something belongs to it exclusively. Grow-up little boy!

You write too much BS all the time, irrelevant bullshit!
Who told you Lagos state shares internally generated revenue with FG, are you high BS? Abeg talk about the things you know instead of spreading lies and stupifying ignorance.

truthislight: your father does not have a father and your grand father does not have a father etc, etc and i know you know all of them then,

your first father chose satan instead of God.

satan has a right of claim to what Adam handed over to him.

You may not know what you are saying then i understand your situation,

that is why am talking to you.

You cant claim an excuse of not knowing any longer, but that you reject it.

whoever it is you are calling my father is not my father, neither does anyone in my lineage know him, nor can the geneology of my family be traced to him. Whatever he did to your God is not my business, who he chose to serve is not my business either that your God can use that to judge shows how irrational and wicked his sense of justice and fairness is. God help you, tomorrow dome religioud sect murder you on the basis of such believe system that some man that looks like you commited a crime against them and so you must die. What is the difference between those islamist fundamentalist that kill people in northern Nigeria over provocations committed against their religion in far away middle East or europe by some christian you don't know or even seen before. You are qualified for death all because you are a christian, imagine a world like that? Your God is a monster.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You are just throwing up all sorts of stuff hoping that something will stick. Poor you. Immaculate conception my foot. The mother of Attis was not even a human being to start with...and she was impregnated by a fruit. You have scored zero points from your first contention. Let's move on to the next one.[/quote]1. The imitation does not have to be exactly thesame but one knows a copied concept when one sees one.
Naya Attis mother was a nymph- a spirit of nature in the form of a beautiful young woman, all this is in greek & Roman mythology.
She was impregnated by a devine fruit just like Mary was impregnated by the holy ghost both of which are not yoir regular way of concieving a child.
The point again is they both were born through devine conception, story might be different but the themes and concepts vitually are thesame.
[quote author=Mr_Anony]The question here is: saving mankind from what? How was he slain? e.t.c. I can't find any sources to back this up so please could you link me to some of them?[/quote]You will have to ask his followers in Asian Minor what the significance of his death meant to them, the point is his believers think that his ressurection gave them some kind of atonement.
He violently killed himself and was resurrected by Zeus according to the myth. So what is there that you dont understand?

thehomer: I don't really want to go into demonstrating that Christ's atonement was a meaningless gesture but how can someone pay for another person's crime? Justice means that this shouldn't be allowed. If God can change the entire concept of justice by allowing such a gesture, then surely he should also be able to just wipe the slate clean whenever he wants.

With respect to the topic at hand, a person cannot be in bondage if they're free to leave at any time and they know that they're free to leave at any time. e.g if someone walks into a room and is told that they can leave whenever they like, can you really say that such a person is in bondage?

You liken grace to this freedom to leave bondage. My point is that the person isn't actually in bondage thus doesn't need this grace that you're selling.

My Friend, forget all that fairy tale BS about some Jesus that died and woke up for the atonement of the sins of adherents, all that fairytale has been proven to be mythological hogwash, a concept stolen from pagan gods that were once believed by People who existed before "Christ" to have existed too before.
Little wonder they can't point out to any physical evidence to show that he ever existed. Even in the roman records, there is no such thing as a Jesus killed on cross by Pontius Pilate. The whole Jesus story is a Pius fraud designed by roman bishops and politicians that merged Roman pagan believes and dogma to that of Jewish traditional believe system. Go and take a look at the identity of all the so-called authors of canonical gospels f the new testament, nobody can say for sure who wrote them. The remarkable stories of jesus described in these GOD spells are not in any well documented records of history non-christian historians of the time the bible claimed Jesus existed. The Pauline epistles on closer observation describes a jesus different from the ones paul talked about. . The whole thing was written by mere men with pagan ideologies and political motives to control people en-mass. The whole Christian thing is a big fraud.

truthislight: half knowledge again.

It is not him that puts you in a cage but your irresponsible father(Adam) put you in the cage, under the tutulage of satan.

Dont you know when he disobey God and obeyed satan that he was sent out of the garden? = rejection by the one that have the power and the means of what it takes to take care of you.

Who gave Adam all he had at the first place?

What did satan gave to him to justify his trusting satan in place of God? Nothing.

Adam was just plane foolish that is why satan tricked him.

On the other hand Jesus was wise and reject the "bread"

My father that I know of and have lived with until he died was not adam, same goes for my mother. What kind of Loving father visits the anger and wrath commited by some fictitious id!ot in the past against a person that does not know the id!ot. Your God's justice system is malicious and extremely inconsidetate if he judges me before I get a chance by the wrong doing of the caricature he once created to humour himself from his bordom. How would you feel if you are judged by the sins of somebody you don't know or ever met? Arr you ok at all sef? What kind irational BS are you spewing sef, must ne high on some Jesus kool aid like those American Jonsing christians that allowed themselves to be murdered by A jonsing Jimy.. . Lol. .unvonditional wrath.