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[quote author=Mr_Anony]Actually, I hold that you will be judged for your own sins however let us even assume "original sin" i.e. you were born in the cage. It still doesn't mean that you should stay in it after you have been informed that the door is now open.[/quote]yeah, but there are conditiond for walking out, yes or know?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Again, you have poor understanding of love.
If your brother offends your father, and you choose to bear the punishment for your brother, you have shown love. If your father punishes, he shows justice. If your brother rejects your sacrificial offer, then he must bear the punishment upon himself.[/quote]first of all, the idea of unconditional love in the face of a justice system is contradictory. The whole essence of showing Justice is to show that there is no such things as unconditional love unless your idea of unconditional is different. If I don't believe in your God, then he shows me the door to hell yet I am to believe his love is unconditional?
Secondly, your brother and father anology is a far cry from what you are saying. Using your analogy, I have to forever be bound by my brothers rules and regulations all because my brother chose to take my punishment.
So according to your analogy everytime I commit a sin my father is supposed to forgive me when I remind him that my brother once took the punishment for me right? Where does that kind of justice system occur? In heaven i guess. . Lol

[quote author=Mr_Anony]No, you walked into that cage yourself due to your own mistakes. He opened the cage so that you can escape. If you choose to stay in the cage then you are the one condemning yourself.[/quote]How is being born with inherent sin similar to walking into a cage by one's own accord.
I thought according to the christian God, no matter how righteous one is, with out "Jesus Christ" you are a piece of annoying trash that needs to first recognize christ's alleged death by pretentiously believing in the fairy tale before you are considered worthy to be looked at. Your logic is in direct contradiction with the fairy tale teachings of your faith.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I may as well say that Hitler was a copy of Abraham Lincoln because,
1. They were both presidents
2. They both started wars
3. They both had facial hair[/quote]here let me help you with that:
4. They both were claimed to have been born on thesame day and month through devine conception.
5. Violently Died and ressurected after 3days
6. Both taught and started their ministry at the age of 12
7. Both fed large sums of people with a few loaves
8. Their death and ressurections brought atonements to Americans and Germans
make I continue. . Since it has gotten to that

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Let me help you a bit since you are not forthcoming:

1. This is how Attis was concieved: A demon's p[i]e[/i]nis was cut off and planted in the ground then it grew into a tree. Then the daughter of a river came by and took a fruit of the tree and laid it on her br[i]e[/i]asts, the fruit disappeared and she became pregnant. After Attis was born, she abandoned him and a goat nourished him and raised him

This is the story you are claiming is similar to Jesus, conception and birth?

After you explain exactly how they are similar, then we will move on to the second contention............ by the way, the bible never said that Jesus was born on December 25[/quote]1. No need to overflog the point, I already posted all that. The crust here is that their births were results of immaculate conceptions.
2. Yes, your bible did not expressly state that he was born in December 25th but the early chief distortionist christian leaders in Roman the birth place of contemporary Christianity just like every other copy cat doctrines and dogma from pagan myths has come to that conclusion. And apparently, every christian agree with it, at least in practice and observance, NO?
So what exactly do you go to church to celebrate on christmass day? Attis or Mithra? One of the accepted standard fabrications of your faith. By the way, how come it is do hard to tell the exact date when Jesus was born, yet they claim he started teaching in the temple at the age of 12 and died at 32. How can you pur a figure to a man's age when you can exactly tell when he was born? Na wa o!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Well, I was trying to make a particular distinction but since you put it that way, I'll have to answer you a bit more strictly so as to give a better description. The nature of grace is not the nature of an object that can be lost.

Grace can be likened unto the freedom of a person in a cage with the cage door open. Freedom has been given but it is the person's choice to step out of the cage. If the person refuses to do so, but stays in the cage until he dies, then the person never lost his freedom, he only rejected it.[/quote]Man's explanation for God's illogical actions. You love me, then put me in an open cage, as if that is not enough, I will have to agree to some terms if I want to work out of the open cage. I guess the open exit is a bait. See carrot and stick love. Yet he loves us unconditionally. .lol

Martian: That's love!!!
Signed- Mr Anony (Dr. of Love from the School of Yahweh)

the school of yahweh teaches inpracticable bullshit!

[quote author=One_Naira]Chei see him putting me on blast. Okay Mazi FSU

I bring 5 kolanuts, 50 pound goatmeat and 7 kegs of palmwine to beg for your forgiveness

A di kwa m sorry[/quote]mazi one naira, iga kwara nam ala kwa.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You don't know what love is. . . .You are like a child who claims his father does not love him simply because the father won't let him play outside[/quote]hahahahah. . . . Yeah right, I bet your father shows his love to you by asking you to submit yourself to be murdered by people that have wronged him just in order for him to appease his own anger. . Thug loving I guess. .lol. .what a way to show love.

[quote author=One_Naira]Nwokem wetin concern you sef? The conversation is between FSU and me. If I read it and sensed an attitude and you read it and sensed a non-attitude, and so what? The words were directed to me and it looked like he replied with an attitude. If he didn't, let him say so himself. Na wa o![/quote]hahahahaha. . You are a typical Nigerian, unneccessarily combative. Anyway, you be my brother, we no suppose fight for here, na when we dey our village meeting I go tidy your Bleep up. . Lol. . But whatever the history between the two of you, you just need to cool off small sha

And yet we are told by the Christian "God" that we are loved unconditionally yet he wont tolerate you the way you are in heaven. In fact, Jesus his "beloved son" had to get murded by these sinful humans to appease the christian "God's" anger. So much for his Unconditional Love and murderous grace.
Abeg make me hear word jare!

[quote author=One_Naira]Did you have to get an attitude? Jeez read a statement carefully and analyze what a person is saying before putting on an armor for battle. All that statement implied was it would be beneficial to Anambra if it diversified it's income and rely on both the commercial aspect and oil aspect. Something most oil producing states haven't fathomed yet. Most of the oil producing states tend to disregard the other aspect of their economy and rely soley on the income oil. God dude, una need to learn how to chillax.[/quote]o boy na u suppose swallow some chill pill, I no see wetin him talk wey make you dey answer like you are doing. . . . .take your own advice. Like you were expecting him to be that way to you or sth.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I didn't ask you to copy and paste the same thing all over again. Don't you have a mind of your own?
I have posted the story of the legend of Attis all I have asked you is to draw scriptural parallels with the life of Jesus.[/quote]scriptural parallels? So are you implying that the New testament part of bible does not teach Jesus about Jesus's death or ressurection. So his devine birth birth from a virgin is not recorded in your bible? What do you need me to quote verses od your bible for when these are very obvious teachings from your bible. By the way, don't act like you knew anything about the Attis cult without having to google it up, what you posted about him was copy pasted from wikipaedia, so come down your high horse.

By the way, Attis was not just the only pre-christian godman listed, you might want to check out the parralels on the rest especially Krishna, Horus and Mithra. They can't all be coincindences, somebody copied religious ideologies and beliefs prevalent at the time to form what we know as Christianity. Nothing about Jesus is true, the messiah belief is jewish just like the countless others. . Pius Fraud, I guess.

IN SUMMARY:
1. JESUS & ATTIS WERE BOTH BORN OF VIRGINS
Although the difference is that Jesus's mother was human while Attis's mother Nana was a nymph.

Further, Maria got pregnant by the Holy Spirit and Nana got pregnant by an almond from a daemon.
Another version of the legend tells that the goddess Cybele (not a virgin) was his mother.
2. JESUS AND ATTIS DIED A VIOLENT DEATH Jesus was crucified and Attis killed himself, or, in an old Lydian version of the story, was killed by a boar.
3. JESUS AND ATTIS BOTH RESSURECTED FROM DEATH
According to some versions, Attis was reborn as the evergreen pine, in another version, he just disappeared and in yet other versions, he was indeed resurrected by either Zeus or Cybele. The resurrection played an important role in the Roman cult in the first century.
4. The Attis cult included that the worshippers had a meal, that symbolized the body of Attis, just like the Holy Communion of the Christians.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]To much long talk: you still haven't provided proof of anything. All you have done is make allegations.

Let me remind you of the request on post 143. You can scroll up to read the post in it's entirety.[/quote]Dr. Adel Elsaie Attis of Phrygia predated Christ. Before and during the years the Christian Gospels were written (from the reign of Claudius, AD 41 - 54) the Festival of Joy, celebrated Attis' death and rebirth was celebrated yearly in Rome. A Christian writer of the fourth century AD, recounted ongoing disputes between Pagans and Christians over the remarkable similarities of the death and resurrection of their two Gods. The Pagans argued that their God was older and therefore original. The Christians admitted Christ came later, but claimed Attis was a work of the devil whose similarity to Christ, and the fact he predated Christ, were intended to confuse and mislead men. This was apparently the stock answer -- the Christian apologist Tertullian makes the same argument. Birth Attis of Phrygia was born of the Virgin Nana on December 25th. He was both the Father and the Divine Son. The Festival of Joy -- the celebration of Attis' death and rebirth On March 22 a pine tree was brought to the sanctuary of Cybele, on it hung the effigy of Attis. The God was dead. Two days of mourning followed, but when night fell on the eve of the third day, March 25th, the worshippers turned to joy."For suddenly a light shone in the darkness; the tomb was opened; the God had risen from the dead... [and the priest] softly whispered in their ears the glad tidings of salvation. The resurrection of the God was hailed by his disciples as a promise that they too would issue triumphant from the corruption of the grave." [for more see Frazer, Attis, chapter 1] Attis' worshipers at a sacramental meal of bread and wine. The wine represented the God's blood; the bread became the body of the savoir. They were baptized in this way: a bull was placed over a grating, the devotee stood under the grating. The bull was stabbed with a consecrated spear. "It's hot reeking blood poured in torrents through the apertures and was received with devout eagerness by the worshiper...who had been born again to eternal life and had washed away his sins in the blood of the bull." [for more see Frazer, Attis, chapter 1] Attis was called "the Good Sheppard," the "Most High God," the "Only Begotten Son" and "Savior." [In Rome the new birth and the remission of sins by shedding of bull's blood took place on what is now Vatican Hill, in our days the site of the great basilica of St. Peter's] The following are some of the similarities between Attis and the Christian story of Jesus: 1. Attis was born on December 25th of the Virgin Nana. 2. He was considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind. 3. His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers. 4. His priests were "eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven." 5. He was both the Divine Son and the Father. 6. On "Black Friday," he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood ran down to redeem the earth. 7. He descended into the underworld. 8. After three days, Attis was resurrected on March 25th (as tradition held of Jesus) as the "Most High God." 9. It is recorded that Attis was represented as a "a man tied to a tree, at the foot of which was a lamb, and, without doubt also as a man nailed to a tree..." 10. Itis reported that on March 22nd, a pine tree was felled and "an effigy of the god was affixed to it, thus being slain and hung on a tree..." Later the priests are supposed to have found Attis' grave empty. References The Early Church, Henry Chadwick, Penguin Books, 1993, page 24

Cos I am presently in Sokoto and I know this claim is all political and no substance. Just because neigbouring countries are begining to explore the basins and prolly discovered there might be oil, does not mean the FG should not consider the viabilty of going all the way with reluctance. If they are so convinced of their claims then they should tow the Anambra government part of patnering with FG to allow them fund the exploration of the basins instead of waiting endlessly for FG. Anambra is now amongst the oil producing states, all that was posible because the state took the initiative to fund exploration and set up the oil mining company to do everything. They did not sit hands akimbo waiting for Jonathan to throw money around. That is the joke.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]It seems you have now finished your long rant. Now, if you are really interested in discovering truth and not merely listening to the sound of your own voice: Would you mind attending to the request I set before you in post 143 and then we can work our way from there?[/quote]Mr Anonym, this is not a contest that I feel I have to win. Remember what led to me opening this thread, I questioned your assumptions that Jesus actually existed and you challenged me to open up a thread to prove so and you will be ready to defend your stance in the thread. But you came here, seeing how facts and evidence continued to stack against your "Jesus" only to start clutching at straw in your mode of argument. You talked about 1 timothy and I showed you the inconsistencies in the timeline of the release and when it was claimed to have been written. Marcion who the Church bishops excommunicated from the Roman church was named a heretic, he was the first to have compiled and published the new testament which did not include the pastoral epistles alleged to have been written by Paul. Marcion was an admirer of the so-called Pauline epistles because their teachings of Jesus were closer to his own idea of Jesus than the canonical gospels of today, his version did not have Timothy, Titus and I think hebrew. It was shortly after his dismissal that These books whose themes councelled against the kind of teachings of Christ that Marcion was teaching most of which was in Marcion's antithesis work were released. I have explained this before but you choose to ignore it and was busy asking for a particular verse that made mention of Marcion, what a childish antics. If that is what you want me to do with you, I will advise you dont bother me or yourself in such a useless venture. . .

PointB: My brother thanks for the update. I am sure Imo state can deliver on the land demand. Glad to see things taking shape gradually in SE. We meed to continual monitor progress or show our concern at the very least. SE development will benefit every one, even if it it only reverse migration.

my brother, I am more concerned with the effect developments will have on migrationary trends amongst the Igbo people and their businesses scattered everywhere in this unsecured Nigeria. That is why you see this inherent fear amongst non-igbos especially the southwesterners; they know that should Alaigbo see serious developments in strategic infrastructure like a seaport, Airport, very hood road network, oil and gas industries and so on, the migrationary trend will naturally change. The era where Igbo sons and daughters cite their core investments in places like Lagos, Abuja, Kano and the likes will greatly be reduced. Little wonder you see dishonest arguments from the ljkes of Katsumoto and his likes arguing vehemently against the alleged actions of the Aviation minister to have directed airlines seeking for more slots to utilize the opportunities presented by the upgraded Enugu International Airport. Imagine him making assumptions and trying so hard to pass them as facts, even the logica guy had get illogical by claiming that there are "mobile execs" in lagos that travel 3-4 times in a week. They all lose all sense of fairness and objectivity when the issues concern Igbos and its people. So sad my brother. But they cant stop us.

PointB: Ebonyi is not far behind. A little more 'scratch' and the ground will reply with the black gold.
Cross River should not give up now the should - drill, and drill, the whole of Southern Nigeria is oil rich - onshore and offshore!


Rochas,
How far now with Imo State Gas Plant? No fall our hand oo
http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/spdc-to-build-3-5-billion-gas-plant-in-imo/118755/

it is already in progress nwanne, the project is in two phases and will be concluded in 2018. It is a very big project and I heard that they are demanding for 200hectres of land from the imo state Government to commence the the work. Anyway, God dey! Gradually the whole of SE is taking form. Thanks to GEJ's way of doing things.

Deputy Dean faculty of law, University of Abuja, Dr. Shehu Abdullahi, yesterday, asserted that crude oil abounds in commercial quantity in the northern part of Nigeria but the "geo-politics of Nigeria" was delaying its exploitation. Speaking exclusively to LEADERSHIP in Abuja, Abdullahi, an expert in environmental law and policy, stressed that the issue was "a sensitive political issue," and insisted that that was the factor delaying the exploitation of the vital resource from the area. He said: "We have four oil basins in the country; the Niger Delta Basin, which is the producing basin at the moment, and the three other basins including the Lake Chad Basin, the Benue Trough and the Rima Basin. The Lake Chad Basin stretches from Chad Republic into Lake Chad across the international boundary into Borno State, part of Yobe State and even part of Bauchi State. "The Benue Trough stretches from River Benue up to Baro in Niger State. The Rima Basin stretches from Niger Republic into Nigerian States of Kebbi, Sokoto, Zamfara and Katsina. I have no doubt in my mind that there is oil in the north, but it is a sensitive political issue." He disclosed that one of the factors militating against aggressive oil search in Northern Nigeria was southern anxiety over the political implication of the North producing oil and stressed that "if this anxiety can be assuaged, we will discover oil in the north. "I am not a geologist, but let me explain; Niger Republic has started producing oil and at the moment much of the refined petroleum products that are marketed in Katsina, Kebbi, Sokoto States, and to an extent Kano State are brought in from Niger Republic. "If you look at where the oil was discovered in Niger Republic, it is actually the same geological formation, same stretch of the same Rima Basin which stretches across states like Kebbi, Sokoto, and Katsina. "Geologically speaking, if they can discover oil where they did, we can discover oil where we are in the north. "It is a sensitive political issue and what is making it impossible is not the environment, but the geo-politics of Nigeria." Asked if the oil industry was better managed now than in the military era, Abdullahi disclosed, "The truth of the matter is that the industry has been hijacked by the oil cabal, and the only difference is that during the military regime they were in military uniform and now they are in their babariga. But they belong to the same cabal. "For me, based on facts, what is happening now is a continuation of the military, because it is the same people that were involved in the industry that are still involved in bridging, supply, contracts, deunitisation, and other technical contracts. It is the same cabal," the university don said. Abdullahi, maintained that oil deposits in the north when found would add to the nation's collective wealth which no state or region could claim. He said that it would be the wealth of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and added "Oil does not belong to the North, but to the federal government. There is no federating unit or state that has the right to enter into any oil exploration and development agreement with any oil company; it is the prerogative of the federal government. But until or unless we depoliticise the issue, we will never make genuine progress, he added." The Dean of Law said, "The damage to the industry accelerated with the coming of the civilian administration, and if we go by the level of acceleration, we could actually say that the industry has been worse off during the civilian regime than what it used to be in the military regime. "Let us take the subsidy issue, for instance, during the Abacha regime, it was not as widespread as it is under the civilian dispensation, because during the civilian administration, there are many mouths to feed, and the civilian authority is obligated to create opportunities for the 'boys'. Also, if you look at the faces of the people involved right from the military era to the democratic dispensation, they are the same people. It is just that the club of those that have hijacked the oil industry has actually increased.

Omojuo: Welcome Anambra. Your 13% starts now

lol...Nigeria too is ready to eat from the revenue generated from the Anambra oil wealth, who should be doing the welcoming?

[quote author=rhymz]Referring to the allegations of conflict of interest, he said, "I would like to reiterate that before I accepted to serve as minister, I resigned my directorship of all companies that I had interest in and put my shares in those companies in a blind trust; this means that I was not privy to the day-to-day business decisions of those who ran this trust. "In addition, I publicly declared the participation in the privatisation process of a foreign company that did business with a company that I had interest in. This fact came to my knowledge only during the course of evaluating the consortia that were bidding for PHCN successor companies. Consequently, I also voluntarily recused myself from participating in the selection process. These actions, I should think, are in line with the finest traditions of transparency and accountability in governance."
[quote]I mean with all these efforts to GEJ still had to let this man go?
When there are ministers in his cabinet whose alleged conflict of interest is way too glaring to ignore yet nothing was done to them. Nnaji was too important to this administration to be sacrificed on the alter of politics of appeasement just like that especially when there are ministers with way more evidence that are damning than this one.

I just hope the FG and the other ministers know what they are doing. As for the Unions, they will get what they deserve but this privatization must go on whether they like it or not, whoever their sponsers are, we shall tell then in plain terms that Nigeria needs to move away from the ineptitude of the present handlers of PHCN.

rhymz: Referring to the allegations of conflict of interest, he said, "I would like to reiterate that before I accepted to serve as minister, I resigned my directorship of all companies that I had interest in and put my shares in those companies in a blind trust; this means that I was not privy to the day-to-day business decisions of those who ran this trust. "In addition, I publicly declared the participation in the privatisation process of a foreign company that did business with a company that I had interest in. This fact came to my knowledge only during the course of evaluating the consortia that were bidding for PHCN successor companies. Consequently, I also voluntarily recused myself from participating in the selection process. These actions, I should think, are in line with the finest traditions of transparency and accountability in governance."

I mean with all these efforts to GEJ still had to let this man go?
When there are ministers in his cabinet whose alleged conflict of interest is way too glaring to ignore yet nothing was done to them. Nnaji was too important to this administration to be sacrificed on the alter of politics of appeasement just like that especially when there are ministers with way more evidence that are damning than this one.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI]In all honesty, as a oil-rich nation, who benefits more? The People or The People?[/quote]do you eat brain tumour as a meal? I feel like ramming my legs down your dirty mouth cos u definetly need an "open heart" surgery. You are so full of bile and sickening bitterness.

Toaskarity: Hell yea! Tomorrow they will say Igbo has no oil,they fight to steal ppl oil
Lemme explain further about anambra
This is the state of Odumegwu Ojukwu! ( freedom fighter)
This is the state that build ogbunigwe to defend Igbo from wicked souls( souls that support killing of unborn children) today some part of the country is now reaping from the evil soul.
God bless anambra and make the govt rich like river state but as useful as gov Romney govt to the ppl of Massachusetts and the state to have tall buildings like hong kong and lastly as "Nwafor " inherite an estate,get rich there with black bitches all over me every night.

hahahahaha. . Funny guy.
Thank God for Anambra, the southeast is gradually taking form with strategic investments that will not only attract funds but also the right people with the technical know-how and expertise. Anambra is one state that I foresee will be the next biggest thing in Nigeria with its extremely industrious people and available funds. All the state needs is a Soludo not even Ngige, the state needs people like Soludo with revolutionary skills and forsight to develop and move the state from a its present status to a better well organized state that can generate money and govern itself without any recourse to FG.

kmariko: .

It is the point, you cannot fly or establish stuff without the consent of the government. Who made them lose their status, isn't the governement withdrawing their license and forbid international travels from there. That Ibadan lost there Status not necessitate that others must follow the same part. Most International Airports all over the world have government control and oversite. You cannot operate one without their consent period.

I wonder O. So Ibadan is now the yardstick for accepting anomalies, if they lost their status then it makes sense that others should follow. See how Nigerians even the ones living abroad reason? It is like they are born with tribal coded DNA, na wa o

logica: I don't know your status in life, but I know enough execs that travel that much; and they are NOT even top execs. And Airtel recently had a position open for a Solutions Architect domiciled in Lagos to oversee Senegal, Rwanda, Ghana and Equitorial Guinea amongst others. Now don't ask me how come I know so much about the position.

you know such execs of Nigerian origin or the ones in the US?
The airtel job you are talking about, does it require that the employee travels at such rate per week? Come on be realistic. By the way, how many of such blue chips are available in Nigeria anyway.

Katsumoto: Can you read?

Where did I state weekly? It is possible for an exec to travel 3-4 times in a week; it just doesn't have to be every week of the year but can be for a number of consecutive weeks.

Before you post in defence of another poster all because they support your stance, you should first understand the angle of their own arguments. Here was Mr logica's claim:

logica: We are talking executives who travel 3/4 times in a week, you are talking about people who travel numerous times in a year.

unless of course you want to be dishonest, the implication of logica's statement above is not far-fetched. It is safe that you take your own advice to read and understand before jumping to argue like KoboJUNKIE.

logica: See, the point I was trying to prove was that dyslexic baboon does not even know what a trip is. He does not know that if I travel from Lagos to London and back, that is 2 trips. It's 1 round trip, but made up of 2 trips. I am sure he thinks 4 trips means 4 ROUND trips. There's no reason arguing with bush people. For confirmation, check the monkey's jabbering right here:

what is your point? Round trip, one trip, two trips all na travel. . Muhehehe. . You are just splitting hair. I don't know about the place you are O but here in Naija, no top level exec travels abroad that muh weekly.
And to put things in perspective, you resorted to making such an exaggerated claim just to counter Afams argument there far more Igbo bizness men that travel abroad on daily basis than from any other tribe. As much as you need to win the argument, making ridiculous claims like that is nothing short of desperation, attempting to defend it is folly my friend.

Katsumoto: It doesn't have to be a joke just because you personally don't know any such individuals.

Why do you chaps judge others based on your experiences?

Mr Kats you fast becoming Kobojunkie o. . Lol
Which Nigerian "mobile execs" do you know that travels at the average rate of 3-4 times abroad? How do you reconcile such a claim? Unless they each have their own private jets with a lot of useless time on their hands, why will a chief executive travel abroad at such rate weekly? What kind of Job makes a CEO travel abroad at such rate when he can avail himself with the latest communication technologies around. Are you for real? Do you realy want to argue that as well? I suspect you have been taking some Kobojunkie BS, walahi!