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Primesky:
Lord Jesus please help this man to know you.

Oga, as if you don't know, begotten is to to beget which means to father someone.

Everything else in the universe was created.

For instance, Lucifer, who became Satan, was a high ranking angel, and he was created like every other angel. See the passage below.

Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Jesus coming to the earth as man, not born by the natural process of human procreation, rather by the Holy Spirit of God, is now a begotten son of God. But Jesus Christ is the very God himself. God existing as a tripartite being. Three in one and one in three. God demonstrated this in man as well. Man is a tripartite being made in the image of God too. You can only see one individual, but he/she is actually three. The spirit, soul and body. And even when this body dies, the Lord promised to give us anew glorified body far higher and better than this one. So, you are a trininity as well because you are made in the image of God. Angels are not like that, just spirit body.

Regarding the angels, they all were created and made to be spirit. This is by the breathe of God. Not any sexual relationship or anything like that, but the breathe of God. Both the soul and spirit of man is made by the breathe and word of God.

HappyPagan:
I view homosexuality and heterosexuality as same. And natural..


No, I'm. I see no similarity between homosexuality and the rest.. Why you guys continue to group them together must be a Christian...
How about blowjobs, hand jobs, anal sex and sex dolls? Are they also on Yahweh's list of "sexual dont's"

paxonel:
there is no rapture here. It is simply saying that there is resurrection of the dead(if you understand it from 1 cor 15:35 down). Meaning, just like he resurrected, Christ will come and resurrect us the day we die, not rapture.
still saying the same thing, but this time, a parable is used and this the meaning of the parable.
the clouds or the air mentioned here signifies heaven.
Now what is heaven?
Heaven is simply God's kingdom on earth.
That simply means our resurrection is here on earth.
We will be resurrected, our body will be changed (see I cor 15) to continue lives on in this earth.
We ain't go nowhere.

The bottom-line is,
Adam and eve commited sin and lost their eternal life on this earth.
Jesus has resurrected to restore that eternal life lost by Adam on this earth.
We are living that eternal life right now.
Heaven is now with us
We are the heaven on earth
no death for us. Death has been defeated.

We are living our lives on this earth to fulfill the original mandate God gave to Adam and eve. Be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth.

And whether you like it or not we are already doing it, travel abroad you will see how white men are developing their world.
Africans should follow suit and stop hoping for rapture that is never scriptural.
Rapture was the hope missionaries gave Africans, they themselves they don't believe in it.

HappyPagan:
I view homosexuality and heterosexuality as same. And natural..


No, I'm. I see no similarity between homosexuality and the rest.. Why you guys continue to group them together must be a Christian...
How about blowjobs, hand jobs, anal sex and sex dolls? Are they also on Yahweh's list of "sexual dont's"

Man is a creative fucker. If you don't like it, learn to police the affairs of your own dick... It's a much simple way to live. If it is any consolation, a low percentage of dicks around you end up in male asses.. Most do it your 'proper' way. Lol.

HappyPagan:
I find it weird too. I was young when I first saw two ladies kiss each other. It was hot, really hot... but I felt this fear in me, like I was looking at something really wrong.

But I liked it. I really did. Then I got a bootleg horror movie collection once, and that's when life changed. One of the movies had a sex scene. I had heard of gay porn before, but seeing one man's dick slide up another man's asshole was terrifying. I was shook for days.

Why would a guy like another's butthole? My God, what has this world become? I failed to see the hypocrisy in my standard - - girl on girl is okay, man on man not cool.

Overtime, I've learnt to be more accepting of it. I've had homosexual friends as colleagues at work. I see it this way - If you grew up in a monogamous home, polygamous families would feel very unnatural to you. Education, and an open mind, is key to progress and growth.

Using your love for God to mask your hatred for his creation (if you believe this flesh and bone we bear was created) is plain cowardice. The thought of homosexuality so irks you, you do not need the Bible's backing to reject it. There's also that handy 'not African' y'all love to parrot. Why don't you just be yourself? State your convictions in truth and sincerity, not verses.



The classic Nigerian style of moral policing. Everyone who isn't like you must prove why you should like them. How about you interacting with the 'weirdos' that you despise so much. Maybe make a friend or two from the LGBT community. I wouldn't be surprised if you wouldn't - you probably think homosexuality is a contagious disease. Heterosexuality isn't, I presume.



Y'all use unnatural like it's something negative.

Walk around with your natural smell, and people will complain of your body odor. Ever heard the phrase 'one man' s poison is another's....

paxonel:
There is no truth in what the op has said.
I'm a christian but the truth must be said. The op is living in delusion as billions of other christians.

He should learn to make his points from the scripture, not from any laid down rapture doctrine which is not true

There is no such thing like rapture in the bible they should stop putting christianity in bad light before people

hisgrace090:
I hope it will not turn to trap for Saudi Christians.

paxonel:
this your analogy do not follow at all.
It's true that when a human barks like a dog it is not normal, but saying that when a christian commit sin it weakens whatever he enjoys in Christ is very wrong .

In the first place, Christ did not die for christians to have immunity against sin, talkless of the immunity becoming weakened by sin and exposes the christian to attacks of demons. It is never scriptural, like i said they are all assumptions.
Whoever tells you that is a big lair .
Christ came to die, strickly to give humans eternal life. John 3:16.

What I'm saying is that Christ dying on the cross to bring salvation has nothing to do with whether we commit sin on this earth and face the consequences or not,There is no connectivity there.

So, if a christian commit sin there is nothing the blood of Christ can do about it, he must face the consequences of his action just like anyone else,there is no immunity, God is not that bias.

Now, I ask the question again! Since we all commit sin(knowingly or unknowingly) because we are mere humans and we are facing the consequences of our actions, Does that mean we are under demon attacks ?
My answer to that question is no!

Nobody is under any demon attack! We are only facing the consequences of our actions right or wrong.
Therefore, demons do not exist!
Witches okpe!!! there is nothing like that
Juju
Blood money
Rituals
They are all traditional fictions, they do not exist

paxonel:
everyone commit sin christians and non christians alike, are you telling me that because everyone commit sin therefore everyone are under demonic attack?

No, not everyone is under attack. Devil does not bother himself over someone he has on his side already, he bothers about Christians who he crave to get on his side. He ATTACKS Christians and will only succeed if sin weakens such Christians.

You also say that christians are the main target. Does that mean that Christians commit sin more than any other people?

Good, when a dog barks, it is normal. But when a human barks, it is completely abnormal.A Christian's sin is abnormal and weakens him from d immunity he enjoys in Christ.

Your theory or belief that when we commit sin it is amount to demonic attack is assumption.

No, the Bible says whoever breaks the edge, d serpent will bite. Eccl 10:8
We as Christians shld be dead to sin because it exposes us to all sorts of attacks.

If you say so, certainly you are saying that everyone are under demonic attack

paxonel:
As for me, Christ saying demons don't have power over us is till the same thing as they don't exist anymore, because whether they still exist somewhere they are meaningless as they do not exist

paxonel:
non of the scriptures you put up here have answered the question I asked.

Show me a scripture which shows that someone who believed in Christ after Jesus resurrected had demons or evil spirit, and the demon was casted out.

You cannot!

Therefore, the bible cannot contradict itself.

And your pastors who are conducting deliverance for christians are all scam.

You don't know this country called Nigeria

paxonel:
did you ever care to know whether the person Paul casted demon from, whether he was a christian or not?
I don't think so!
You have never bothered to find out that one.

But incase you don't know, the same lady was serving a master who was a Roman, that means she was from Rome too, and Romans in those days were idolatory worshippers, They were never christians .

Acts 16:21 And teach customs, which are not lawful for us to receive, neither to observe, being ROMANS

I ask the question again, show me anywhere in the new testament were demons or witches were casted out from any christian??

Non of your pastors or you will never see the answer to that question.
may be your experiences are hallucinating effects of your minds, they are not in accordance with the scriptures at all

Lenadiva:
I concur

paxonel:
it does not really matter whether i included spiritual wickedness or not. Follow the story behind everything you will understand what that scripture is driving at.
The bottom-line of the story is that there was persecution of christians by the Jews in those days. That act of persecuting christians on it's own is spiritual wickedness.

Spiritual in the sense that the killings has to do with one faith known as Judaism(religion of the Jews) perpertrating injustice to another faith known as christianity because christians or believers were very few as at that time. Such killings or injustice was seen as spiritual wickedness.

It has nothing to do with spirits or demons attacking people. Sometimes the way bible is written, it's like a figurative language that requires thinking to understand what the scripture is driving at.

So, understand the story behind it first by reading the whole chapter, if possible start from previous chapters.

TrajansKong:
Your life sounds just awful. Seeing demons, spirits and juju everywhere.

If you believe in Satan and Hell, you are already IN Hell!!

klinklin:
You know my problem with the picture? He was holding the bag all through. Let him go hands free first then I might start believing.

CosmicJames:
Is spiritual.
Similar thing happened in my LGA.
the one that happened in my LGA was the case of a Snake that circled the thiefe belly and refused to loose out. The Snake did not bite the theife as well.
So it is real. It happens in real life to real people

paxonel:
Principalities and powers, rulers of high places and low places refers to the Jews who persecuted Christians who preach the gospel of peace, not any demons or evil spirits.

Ronpet777:
My brother, u r speaking heresy with confidence and it baffles me. Tell me where Jesus explained that we will never hv to cast out demons again especially in our generation. Do u knw even after Jesus' death, Paul still hard to cast out demons?(Acts 16:16-18). U hv coined d Bible so well that it suits ur ideology. I don't blame u, u said it urself that u don't really go to church, no wonder u r misdirected and u read d Bible with zero insight.

Demons r real and will always be. U must be very shallow not to be sensitive in spirit to ignore this idea. I don't knw how old u r but to speak like this makes me really think I am conversing with a teenager. Life experience as a Christian reveal a whole lot to us and makes us spiritually alert to the whims and caprices of the devil and his cohorts.

paxonel:
the adults you are talking about are yet to proof anywhere in the scriptures where deliverance of witchcraft or evil spirit or juju was conducted on any christian or believer of Christ in bible days.

On the contrary to their opinion of a christian being inflicted by evil spirit on which they ignorantly and fraudulently conduct deliverance in their churches

1 John 4:2 says Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

All these people they are conducting deliverance on, in their churches, they have all believed that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, no one of them doubted.

They are all christians by birth who may have switched from another churches to attend programs in churches conducting these fake deliverance thinking that they are inflicted with evil spirit meanwhile they are not.
Non of them are Muslims or some kind of other religion.

So the adults you are talking about don't know what they are doing. I'm very sure they don't read at all, so flee from them

paxonel:
Now, do God want witches, and juju and blood money and rituals?
I don't think so!

Therefore things like that do not exist anymore and any pastor saying he is conducting deliverance is a big scam this modern day.

paxonel:
all these happened according to the wishes of God in bible days.that was the time of ignorance.

At the time of ignorance God overlooked.

but this modern day where there is knowledge, it is the wish of God that christians should operate with love and not with miracles anymore, because

LOVE IS FAR GREATER THAN MIRACLES

I strongly believe that God has totally eliminate the era of miracles and juju and witchcraft and ritualism including fire prayer, but christians are still not aware.

Witchcraft do not exist anymore
There is nothing like juju or miracles.

This days, you have to take control by yourself and by your thinking and intelligence and that is the greatest miracle ever.

This means, if you are not intelligent this days you will so suffer eh
And God will be looking at you

Komu1048:
I will go deep into Christianity anytime I have problem and av tried all my humanly effort n fail, I ll call on him try some fasting n prayer. He comes in and rescue me... But when I'm free I will go into the world again, until something bad happen again. Money and big bumbum ladies are my problem, I've prayed so much on this but haven't gotten help. A friend of mine advised me to hand over everything to him n don't struggle with him, he said by doing this christ will rescue me....I'm waiting. I want to be like those brothers that we call spririkoko. They r so pure n honest, nothing tempt them or shake them. I want to live above sin.... God send helper.

Emmanystone:
Pleasure, Pleasure, Pleasure. Sex is Pkeasurable yes, and our father wantd us to enjoy it plenty, but it's not about the pleasure or the abscence of it o.

Emmanystone:
Calling in MuttleyLaff, Ronpet777, Butterflylion/ Butterfly1on, Budaatum Ishilove my babe.

PastorAIO:
Okay, I'll retract that. actually I hoped that you would just guess what I meant from recognising the roots of the different parts of the word.

I have a tendency to make up words of my own. Or if I use commonly used words I give them strict definitions within the context I'm using them. That way I avoid getting into arguments about the meanings of words. I also don't like quoting authorities because there are always some 'experts' lurking in some corner who jump out and claim that they have a better understanding of whatever you are quoting. That is why I avoided quoting bible for many months when I first came to NL and tried to argue my position from first principles that everybody has experienced first hand. Alas, people didn't allow me to talk without quoting bible. It became a sticking point. So I started to quote bible and those that would complain that I wasn't quoting bible before just fled. I suspect that they wish I'd go back to not quoting bible.

Just giving you an overview of how I operate. what's the word again? ah yes, My 'Modus Operandi'.

budaatum:
The intention here is to go through the entire book by chapter. I do not expect everyone to agree to anyone's single opinion. I however hope that those with the spirit be led by the spirit and those led by other things or by themselves to be led by that which leads them. I am aware that for some of us, there is no god. However, let this not be the thread for it.

I can not impose rules as I do not have the authority, but might I ask that the rules of Nairaland be strictly adhered to. May I also plead with you to go by chapter so as not to derail the thread.

I must add this personal because I know I will have to say it at some point, Sciencewatch, please refrain from derailing this thread! (Forgive me.)

I have chosen the New International Version but do not allow yourself to be limited by my choice.

Here's to a fruitful discussion. So mote it be.